COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:39am

Oh yeah more beat up. Switch it off... What happened to all the India posts a few months back that whipped you into a frenzy?? Burning bodies, ppl dropping dead in the street... then....?

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:42am

One of the best placard signs yesterday read:

‘Imagine a virus so deadly that it doesn’t effect those who don’t give a shit’

Bravo

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Blowin Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:46am

Lock these billions of people down now!

They need to be forcibly injected and denied access to society if they resist. It’s the only way and it’s totally not authoritarian! The Nazis…..oops, the Austrians……know the way forward is to have the government seperate the population into the acceptable and the rejected based on an injection which doesn’t prevent the transmission of a virus which is no worse than the flu for almost all healthy people!

Lucky we are following the Nazis….oops, Austria.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-pandemics...

Isn’t it amazing how little impact Covid has on populations when they don’t have a local version of Kochie on Sunrise telling them how scared they should be?

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:46am

Still laughing at 200,000 in Melb. Lmao

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:48am

Hey shortenism, did you know that if you get a cop to say that you're a "living human" and then say "I do not consent" the only laws they can arrest you on are maritime laws under the constitution.
Use this wisely my friend. It's 100% effective on land, but be careful using those lines with the water pigs, as I'm still researching the legalities of those cops arresting you.
Oh and BTW I personally know of 6 people who got the jab yesterday and started talking in tongues.

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:49am

Just because you weren’t there fellas and didn’t see it on the news doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.. I’m sure the images will be circulating.. and yeah maybe the numbers are very approximate but whatever way you look at it they were very large numbers of very motivated ppl from all walks of life.

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:52am

Why am I not surprised that you know 6 ppl who talk in tongue VL? They playing banjos as well?

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:55am
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Just because you weren’t there fellas and didn’t see it on the news doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.. I’m sure the images will be circulating.. and yeah maybe the numbers are very approximate but whatever way you look at it they were very large numbers of very motivated ppl from all walks of life.

Walk it back Shorty….it won’t help, you're still a credibility free zone.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:58am

Plenty of people say they were abducted by aliens…just because no one else was there and it wasn't on the news doesn't mean it didn't happen? Is that correct, Shorty?

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:19am

https://www.smh.com.au/national/pandemic-triggers-mass-exodus-of-critica.... Australian College of Nursing chief executive Kylie Ward said roughly 20,000 nurses had given up their registration this year, a number that had shocked her during a global pandemic.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:32am
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150,000 in Bris, 150,000 in Syd, 200,000 in Melbourne, 40,000 in Perth, 20,000 Adelaide.

I hear the WSL are interested in your skills of audience estimation.

For comparison, the MCG holds 100,000 people, so 200K Melbourne protesters is the equivalent of two AFL Grand Final crowds.

To be fair i did see these figures being flung around elsewhere, not sure the source most likely over estimated, and id expect some under estimate too.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:43am

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/pandemic-triggers-mass-exodus-of-critica.... Australian College of Nursing chief executive Kylie Ward said roughly 20,000 nurses had given up their registration this year, a number that had shocked her during a global pandemic.

An interesting read Super. This quote was pretty telling…
“A recent survey by Monash University and Royal Melbourne Hospital of more than 7800 Australian healthcare workers (most of them based in Victoria) found more than 40 per cent had symptoms of PTSD by the final stages of the state’s second wave.“

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freeride76 Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:54am

Shorto, I accept there were a lot of people out on the streets yesterday.

Genuinely curious as to what you think the outcome might be?

Were there any political demands being made?

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:54am

You want to know what an effective protest looks like shortenism?
The Rally for East Timor in Melbourne. The federal government had no intention on saving the East Timorese from the Indonesian army / militias. The call for the rally went out, and the following day 50,000 people from all walks of life marched to treasury gardens where the Federal cabinet were meeting. We could see the MPs looking down at the crowd. They knew we had a point, they knew it was morally unjustifiable to stand back and watch people get slaughtered, and after the march they knew it was going to cost them big time politically.
That night, the Australia government announced troops were going in. That's an effective protest.
The freedumb rally has none of those qualities. Much smaller numbers, no clear message, idiots, nazis, violent, and more. They will continue to be ignored by state governments because they are loose cannons.
I reckon scumo will be regretting jumping into bed with the freedumb mob.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:13am
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Shorto, I accept there were a lot of people out on the streets yesterday.

Genuinely curious as to what you think the outcome might be?

Were there any political demands being made?

Im not a fan of protest in generally i think they are generally pointless, but i wouldn't underestimate these protest it clearly not the same people as before its clearly not solely an anti lockdown/anti vax fringe type crowd anymore, it seems more just people concerned about the future and just standing up and saying we have done what's needed but this is where the line is drawn, we dont ever want to go back to a time where government be it state or federal have that much control over our life's

I also dont think most people really want division in our society and different rules between vaxed and un vaxed, to be honest i was for that view before as i think that view was important to push people to get vaccinated, but now with such high vax rates is that whole mindset really going to do anyone any good?

So maybe there is no demand as such, but i think it's important that a line is drawn and people say enough is enough, we aren't doing that again.

Let's be real it got pretty bad for a while there especially in Victoria we were truly living under a police state, things did go too far.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:19am
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Yes, finally a comment from @info I totally agree with!

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:34am

"different rules between vaxed and un vaxed,"
I've just seen a video of Scumo from about 7 years ago banging on about the benefits of vaccines and saying how the no jab / no entry policy was essential. And this was in the context of childcare centres and much less lethal viruses.
Seems like different rules for the vaxed and unvaxed people was a very successful policy those days.
Scumo has changed his tune and is trying to appeal to the idiot mob (while also demanding no unvaxed people attend his press conference). What a phoney.
Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck about the feelings of un-vaxed people, and this doesn't just apply to Covid. Governments should never make laws to protect the wilfully ignorant at the expense of others doing the right thing.
All the state premiers are staring down the anti-science idiots, because they have to pick up the pieces if things go pear-shaped. Scumo on the other hand is "understanding their feelings" and wants the unvaxed to be able to go to cafes and put front line hospitality staff at risk. The man is a complete (redacted to protect the precious RWNJs)

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:48am
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indo-dreaming wrote:
freeride76 wrote:

Shorto, I accept there were a lot of people out on the streets yesterday.

Genuinely curious as to what you think the outcome might be?

Were there any political demands being made?

Im not a fan of protest in generally i think they are generally pointless, but i wouldn't underestimate these protest it clearly not the same people as before its clearly not solely an anti lockdown/anti vax fringe type crowd anymore, it seems more just people concerned about the future and just standing up and saying we have done what's needed but this is where the line is drawn, we dont ever want to go back to a time where government be it state or federal have that much control over our life's

I also dont think most people really want division in our society and different rules between vaxed and un vaxed, to be honest i was for that view before as i think that view was important to push people to get vaccinated, but now with such high vax rates is that whole mindset really going to do anyone any good?

So maybe there is no demand as such, but i think it's important that a line is drawn and people say enough is enough, we aren't doing that again.

Let's be real it got pretty bad for a while there especially in Victoria we were truly living under a police state, things did go too far.

Except for cashless welfare cards, right?

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gragagan Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 11:01am

A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

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sypkan Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 11:04am

"...not the same people as before its clearly not solely an anti lockdown/anti vax fringe type crowd anymore, it seems more just people concerned about the future and just standing up and saying we have done what's needed but this is where the line is drawn, we dont ever want to go back to a time where government be it state or federal have that much control over our life's..."

yep, clearly different crew... different issues...

yes the nutters are still there, but they aren't the main element, despite the media and bullshitters on here trying to paint it that way...

ironically, I think it's being anti bullshit that is uniting these people... on so many fronts! ...the curtain has been pulled back, and people aren't liking what we've seen...

the number estimates are ridiculous, from both sides... the media clearly trying to talk it down (whilst constantly revising figues up) and the parricipants clearly caught up un the moment...

200 000 nah

but if there was only 3000 people in that crowd at the melbournes protest... i'll eat vicvocals bullshit laden underpants...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=463107735175984&id=100043213...

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 11:32am

Freeride the general stance was for pro choice re vaccines and an end to lockdowns, which all circle around these Emergency Declarations.

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 11:58am

Police opened fire on anti-lockdown protesters in the Dutch city of Rotterdam Friday ahead of demonstrations in several European cities against new Covid restrictions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/police-netherlands-open-fire-covid-lo...

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campbell Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:15pm
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No jab no job https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/fears-covid-vaccine-mandate-to-le...

As if the neck tattoo doesnt make her employment prospects hard enough....
Am I to assume if you quit your job due to refusal to be vaccinated you will be allowed on the dole? Not much has been said about this upcoming quandary but I imagine they think they will be able too?

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Blowin Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:18pm
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Police opened fire on anti-lockdown protesters in the Dutch city of Rotterdam Friday ahead of demonstrations in several European cities against new Covid restrictions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/police-netherlands-open-fire-covid-lo...

There will be a few on here cheering that news….assuming no convicted child rapists were shot. They cannot tolerate that kind of injustice.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:22pm
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No jab no job https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/fears-covid-vaccine-mandate-to-le...

As if the neck tattoo doesnt make her employment prospects hard enough....
Am I to assume if you quit your job due to refusal to be vaccinated you will be allowed on the dole? Not much has been said about this upcoming quandary but I imagine they think they will be able too?

They will do that. The sooner the better.

It's the same as saying no kids at kindy unless they have had their shot.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:24pm
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A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

Responsibility to educate kids comes from the parents tbh. If kids are uneducated it's not the school or govts fault.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:45pm

Just had my 3rd shot. 2x AZ and now Pfizer.

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blindboy Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:48pm

RK after a long teaching career I disagree. Parents have a basic responsibility but in terms of providing the skills and knowledge necessary to function in a complex society, schools are a hugely important factor.
One of the core problems is that with current resources and the conservative forces acting on them, schools can only do an adequate job by emphasising two undesirable characteristics; conformity and compliance. While most students are probably not seriously influenced by this, the ones at either end of the spectrum are. So we end up with a cohort willing, without question, to do exactly what is expected of them and another cohort who rebel against everything without any effort to analyse anything beyond their, frequently unenlightened, self interest. Schools need to loosen up their structures and let go.of the control of what, when and how students learn. This cannot be done with current funding, staffing or while one of the key expectations from parents and society more broadly is that they keep adolescents locked up for 6-7 hours a day on a rigid timetable.

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:48pm
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Just had my 3rd shot. 2x AZ and now Pfizer.

@roadkill , how many months since last AZ ?

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Patrick0710 Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:49pm

Hey Indo Dreaming

When you say ‘more power and control to Dan’ what are you referring to?

Cheers.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 12:58pm
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Just had my 3rd shot. 2x AZ and now Pfizer.

@roadkill , how many months since last AZ ?

4 months since last AZ. I still have to get a booster in the future.

3 x shots gives me the same cover as most get from 2…I take immunosuppressant drugs so have to have 3 x and a booster.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:04pm
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RK after a long teaching career I disagree. Parents have a basic responsibility but in terms of providing the skills and knowledge necessary to function in a complex society, schools are a hugely important factor.
One of the core problems is that with current resources and the conservative forces acting on them, schools can only do an adequate job by emphasising two undesirable characteristics; conformity and compliance. While most students are probably not seriously influenced by this, the ones at either end of the spectrum are. So we end up with a cohort willing, without question, to do exactly what is expected of them and another cohort who rebel against everything without any effort to analyse anything beyond their, frequently unenlightened, self interest. Schools need to loosen up their structures and let go.of the control of what, when and how students learn. This cannot be done with current funding, staffing or while one of the key expectations from parents and society more broadly is that they keep adolescents locked up for 6-7 hours a day on a rigid timetable.

You will have more first hand knowledge than me, no doubt.
I still think parents hold the greater responsibility to teach skills and knowledge for their kids to function in society. Schools no doubt have a role but imo, it is the lesser role.
That said..kids with crappy parents will repeat the cycle unless some intervention occurs. More funding towards identifying this is probably warranted.
It must be depressing as a teacher to see the future you know some kids have.

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:07pm
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Just had my 3rd shot. 2x AZ and now Pfizer.

@roadkill , how many months since last AZ ?

4 months since last AZ. I still have to get a booster in the future.

3 x shots gives me the same cover as most get from 2…I take immunosuppressant drugs so have to have 3 x and a booster.

Thanks for reply , a mate who had liver transplant a few years ago just got his 3rd Pfizer, he’s on a cocktail of drugs

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:21pm
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Police opened fire on anti-lockdown protesters in the Dutch city of Rotterdam Friday ahead of demonstrations in several European cities against new Covid restrictions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/police-netherlands-open-fire-covid-lo...

There will be a few on here cheering that news….assuming no convicted child rapists were shot. They cannot tolerate that kind of injustice.

I can only think of one person on here cheering when the cops when they open fire on rioters. Indo Dreaming would be stoked when he heard the news. He'd even consider 17 year old Dutch vigilantes squeezing off a few rounds from a military grade weapons a good thing too.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:42pm
Vic Local wrote:
Blowin wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

Police opened fire on anti-lockdown protesters in the Dutch city of Rotterdam Friday ahead of demonstrations in several European cities against new Covid restrictions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/police-netherlands-open-fire-covid-lo...

There will be a few on here cheering that news….assuming no convicted child rapists were shot. They cannot tolerate that kind of injustice.

I can only think of one person on here cheering when the cops when they open fire on rioters. Indo Dreaming would be stoked when he heard the news. He'd even consider 17 year old Dutch vigilantes squeezing off a few rounds from a military grade weapons a good thing too.

Stoked would be overdoing it, but it does seem it was justified.

"Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb told reporters about police officers "felt it necessary to draw their weapons to defend themselves" more than once after protesters tore through the city's central shopping district, setting fires in their wake."

People have the right to protest peacefully but once you start getting violent and smashing shit up and burning shit down and looting, it doesn't matter what the protest that turns to a riot is about, your asking to cop at least tear gas, rubber bullets and possibly more.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:44pm
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A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

Responsibility to educate kids comes from the parents tbh. If kids are uneducated it's not the school or govts fault.

It's clearly just a dumb arse comment, especially seeing half the protesters had finished school by that era, but not surprising all his comments are trash.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:53pm
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gragagan wrote:

A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

Responsibility to educate kids comes from the parents tbh. If kids are uneducated it's not the school or govts fault.

It's clearly just a dumb arse comment, especially seeing half the protesters had finished school by that era, but not surprising all his comments are trash.

I’m guessing..you're in the….it’s a schools responsibility to educate my kids camp.

I guess it makes it easier to blame others when things go wrong. We are, wether we like it or not, a product of our upbringing.
BTW..my comment was about funding…not the age of the protestors. Who can we blame for your inability to clearly understand posts and what they are reflecting on?.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 1:53pm
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Hey Indo Dreaming

When you say ‘more power and control to Dan’ what are you referring to?

Cheers.

Exactly that

Heres the major changes.

The major proposals include:

-Giving the premier the power to declare a pandemic
-Allowing that pandemic status to be extended for up to three months at a time without a maximum time period
-Providing the health minister the power to make pandemic orders
-Allowing for prison sentences of up to two years for people who knowingly breach a health order and cause serious health risks to another individual
-A person who fails to comply with a health order and knows that could cause a health risk to others can be fined up to $90,500, while businesses face fines of up to $452,500 for breaching the rules

Dan doesnt need more power, he is a power hungry nutter that cant be trusted, we had some of the strictest lockdowns in Australia and the longest lockdown in the world.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:02pm
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A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

Responsibility to educate kids comes from the parents tbh. If kids are uneducated it's not the school or govts fault.

It's clearly just a dumb arse comment, especially seeing half the protesters had finished school by that era, but not surprising all his comments are trash.

I’m guessing..you're in the….it’s a schools responsibility to educate my kids camp.

I guess it makes it easier to blame others when things go wrong. We are, wether we like it or not, a product of our upbringing.
BTW..my comment was about funding…not the age of the protestors. Who can we blame for your inability to clearly understand posts and what they are reflecting on?.

I wasn't talking about your comment, i was talking about this

"gragagan wrote:

A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

It's just political tripe.

Half the people at these protest had already finished school and these protest have nothing to do with so called education of people.

Just because others share a different opinion to the protest doesnt make the protestors uneducated, they are people with different concerns.

And the concerns are quite reasonable, for over a year we have basically lived under a police state.

BTW. Im not in either camp, i think its both parent and school's responsibility to educate, and educate means a lot more than what you learn at school, some of the most educated people on paper, have little understanding of the world outside of their bubbles.

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indo-dreaming wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
gragagan wrote:

A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

Responsibility to educate kids comes from the parents tbh. If kids are uneducated it's not the school or govts fault.

It's clearly just a dumb arse comment, especially seeing half the protesters had finished school by that era, but not surprising all his comments are trash.

I’m guessing..you're in the….it’s a schools responsibility to educate my kids camp.

I guess it makes it easier to blame others when things go wrong. We are, wether we like it or not, a product of our upbringing.
BTW..my comment was about funding…not the age of the protestors. Who can we blame for your inability to clearly understand posts and what they are reflecting on?.

I wasn't talking about your comment, i was talking about this

"gragagan wrote:

A lot of these protesters would be the result of LNP education policies. We can all thank Howard, Abbott et al for the dumbing down of Australia. Every year it's like "lets cut funding for education, again. No one will ever notice..."

It's just political tripe.

Half the people at these protest had already finished school and these protest have nothing to do with so called education of people.

Just because others share a different opinion to the protest doesnt make the protestors uneducated, they are people with different concerns.

And the concerns are quite reasonable, for over a year we have basically lived under a police state.

Ok..thanks for clarifying. Confusing to me..thus my reply. My bad.

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blindboy Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:04pm

Indo, so a "police state" ? Do you ever stop to consider that such irresponsible and completely inaccurate language might have consequences (beyond the immediate impact of you losing all credibility in any reasonable discussion) such as inciting people to violence? Good luck with your quest for complete freedumb.

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AndyM Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:05pm

“ Schools need to loosen up their structures and let go.of the control of what, when and how students learn.”

Agree to a certain extent but it would certainly be an interesting experiment.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:28pm
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Indo, so a "police state" ? Do you ever stop to consider that such irresponsible and completely inaccurate language might have consequences (beyond the immediate impact of you losing all credibility in any reasonable discussion) such as inciting people to violence? Good luck with your quest for complete freedumb.

"A police state describes a state where its government institutions exercise an extreme level of control over civil society and liberties. There is typically little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive, and the deployment of internal security and police forces play a heightened role in governance. A police state is a characteristic of authoritarian, totalitarianism or illiberal regimes (contrary to a liberal democratic regime)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state

During lockdowns, people lost their right to travel freely often restricted by a few kilometres, even in some cases lost the right to work, visit friends and family, even do activity's like fishing and golf.

Even from day one other states had far greater freedoms we had the heaviest restrictions.

There was cases where Dan barred media from because he didn't like the message they would send.

Just a few media examples:

"Thick blue line: Victoria builds the country’s biggest police force" (very recent article)

Victoria has become one of the most heavily policed states in Australia after a two decade-long law and order rivalry between the ALP and Coalition helped build the country’s largest law enforcement organisation.

The state’s war on crime has seen spending on police, courts and prisons grow at double or triple the rate of other states and territories over the past decade, with Victoria now arresting and jailing people at levels not seen since the 19th century."

more: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/thick-blue-line-victoria-bui...

"Why I was right about Victoria's police state"
https://www.afr.com/politics/why-i-was-right-about-victoria-s-police-sta...

"Beyond the police state to COVID-safe: life after lockdown will need a novel approach"https://theconversation.com/beyond-the-police-state-to-covid-safe-life-a...

"The moments where Victoria looks like a police state https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/the-moments-where-victoria-loo...{

Reality is we have been living in a police state for over a year, hence the pushback from protestors.

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Patrick0710 Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:25pm

Thanks Indo.

Who do you think should have the power to declare a pandemic? I've heard protestors say they believe the CHO, the Minister and the Premier would declare a pandemic even if there wasn't one.

And what do you think the punishment should be for breaching a public health order? I think it's currently about $20K.

Thanks.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:27pm

I just think things should be left as they are or at the very least not be rushed through like they are.

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blindboy Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:39pm

Thanks for proving my point with the quotes from your links, Indo. Do you really believe that being the most heavily policed state in Australia puts Victoria in the same category as Myanmar, Belarus, Russia etc? In police states people get arrested and jailed without trial simply for dissenting from government policy.
Newspapers and web sites get shut down, political opponents of the government are banned from standing for election. Anything like that happened in Victoria lately? Or are you just spouting inflammatory bullshit?

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adam12 Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:46pm

Hey Indo, do the other Premiers have similar powers to the ones Dan wants? Are there any checks and balances on the Vic. powers and how do the other States compare? Do you think the power should be in the hands of the un-elected CHO or the elected executive govt. to make public health orders?
Appreciate your input. Interesting discussion.