COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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san Guine Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 10:39pm

Thanks Shorty
I take that as a compliment.
Would recommend the 'pop-up Globe' productions from NZ, for anyone with a vague interest in Shakespeare. The Bard as he would have been seen by the hoi polloi (without the aromas of 16th-17th century).
Very accessible, really fun.

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shortenism Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 10:53pm

What ever floats ya boat ei Guine

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:27am

Expert's Euro Vax Rollout waning timetable orchestrates #1 World Covid Pandemic

EU Rollout (Extra Covid) Averaging > Cases/day > Deaths/day
Pre Rollout Natural Covid - 72,789 cases/day > 1,565 deaths/day
Rollout Vaxed Covid - 173,948 cases/day > 2,941 deaths/day

Experts point to incubation ramp & Mid Rollout flip as 'more' Vaxers shed slow covid for virulent strains.
Crew are aware that EU cases are rising at record speed and will blow out vax era cases to oblivion.
Vax Rollout Table examines Record Covid cases that perfectly relay to Ramp Vax Waning Outbreaks.
No tricks! Just simply dating the Rollout fuel that fuels the current "Massive Vax waning covid cases!"

^/\ Vax up/ Date Rollout peak (Descriptions) Waning > Cases > Deaths (Descriptions) rise / peak / fall

Feb 2021 Peak Vax Nation
^ UK Vax waned & failed > ramping longest high Covid Infection & extra deaths, cases falling from Oct.
^ Serbia Vax waned & failed > record infection & deaths > cases falling since Sept.

April 2021 Peak Vax Nations
/\ Gibraltar Vax waned & failed > ramping Covid infection & deaths > Cases are falling.
Isle of Man Mass Vax waned & failed > ramped much Covid Infection & many died > Cases are falling.
/\*Hungary was 1st in EU to Rollout Lower efficacy Communist Vaxes, record cases-deaths keep rising.

May 2021 Peak Vax Nations
Bulgaria Mass Vax waned & failed > Record Covid infections & deaths > Cases are Falling...
/\ Croatia Mass Vax waned & failed > Record Covid infections & many deaths > Cases are Falling.
/\ Romania Mass Vax waned & failed > Record Covid infection & Record deaths > Cases are falling.

*Note early rapid Peak Rollouts > waning has Peaked & all now declining despite Mass EU outbreak?
EU Pandemic is no wild Strain outbreak...rather a Big Pharma concert.

Estonia Mass Vax waned & failed > Record Covid infection = Record deaths > Cases Peak-turning down.
/\ Ireland Mass Vax waned & failed > Longest high Covid spell & many deaths, cases Peak-turning down

June 2021 Peak Vax Nations
Lithuania Mass Vax waned & failed > Equal record infection & many dying > Cases peaked & are falling.
/\ Iceland Mass Vax waned & failed > Record infection & steady deaths, cases peaking & turning down.
/\ Greece Mass Vax waned & failed > Record high infection & high deaths, cases peaking & turning down

We reach the right here & now waning Peak.

/\ Bosnia Mass Vax waned & failed > ramped Covid infection many dying > Cases are peaking now.

These next Vax waning nations are in the news, locking down ramping fear of unvaxed & boogey men!

^ Poland Mass Vax waning & failing > ramping infections & deaths > cases are climbing.
Finland Mass Vax waning & failing > ramping Record Covid & high death rate > cases are climbing
Netherlands Mass Vax waning & failing > skyrocketing record high Covid & many dying...
Norway Mass Vax waning & failing > skyrocketing record high Covid infections & many dying.
/\ Austria Mass Vax waning & failing > skyrocketing record high Covid infections & many dying
Belgium Mass Vax waning & failed > ramping record high Covid infection & many dying
/\ Germany Mass Vax waning & failed > skyrocketing record Covid infection & many dying.
/\ Swiss Mass Vax waning & failed > ramping cases and deaths are slowly rising.

July 2021 Peak Vax Nations
/\*Russia Mass Vax waned & failed earlier > Record High infection & death > Cases are now falling.
Slovakia Mass Vax waning & failed > skyrocketing record cases > hoping deaths may have peaked.
Denmark Mass Vax waning & failing > skyrocketing record cases > deaths peak.

Next up are the most hesitant nations to reach their Vax peak, but finished with high vax rates.

/\ France Mass Vax waning is starting to fail as cases are rising fast.
Italy Mass Vax waning is starting to fail as cases are rising.
^ Spain Mass Vax waning is starting to fail as cases are rising.
Portugal Mass Vax waning is starting to fail as cases are rising.
/\ Sweden Mass Vax waning also seems to be failing.

Clearly! Hesitants have nothing to do with ongoing EU Mass waning orchestration of Covid.
Clearly only the immune Vaxerz are ramped to spread the majority of later more virulent strains.
Govt's exploit any Pandemic Fear by measured covid outbreaks to mandate absolute power!

Cue the next Vax Rollout waning Phase for the Covid Carousel

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Roadkill Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 7:04am

Respect san Guine.
Keep up the good work.

Even the anti vaxers, that minimise your work and commitment would be treated the same as everyone else in ICU. I doubt you ever thought the job would be like it is in these times.

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Craig Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 7:15am
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san Guine wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvacci...

You work at a hospital San Guine?

Do tell about all the hundreds of younger healthy people in ICU with covid.

Not hundreds but a quick snapshot as of 2 days ago (my last shift);

5 COVIDs in our COVID ICU, 4 unvaxxed, 1 double vaxxed (but immuno-comp) age range 30-75. Very sick patients. Lots of prone ventilation.
Compare with 10 patients in our clean ICU (which has to be physically separate).

20 other admitted COV patients. 18 unvaxxed, 2 with 1 dose, but with pre-existing co-morbidities. Age range skewed towards under 50's.
The O2 requirements of this cohort are quite astounding, would normally be in MET criteria (medical emergency) but we manage them with very low partial pressure of O2. They have nil exercise tolerance and nil reserve. Their gas excahnge is seriously impaired, with obvious scarring to the lung tissue evident on XR but definitive on CT

But on a good note, there has been a definite drop off in COVID admissions over last 2 weeks, we have been able to close 1 COVID Ward, FYI 85+% Victorians are double vaxxed.

And also, those unvaxxed not requiring a hospital admission, but unwell enough to attend our ED, are being given monoclonal antibodies (but ironically won't have a vaccine)

Thanks for the SG and keep up the excellent work! Very much appreciated.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 7:29am

Pretty interesting. Also, Japan’s covid number are amazing. Cleanliness and masks no doubt help.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/new-research-suggests-d...

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shortenism Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 7:30am

Ah Roadkill and there it is another displays of how brainwashed you are. Frightening.

Why wouldn’t or have you never said anything about the smokers who get treated the same in ICU? Or the ones who consume excessive sugar or alcoholic and end up in ICU and burden the likes of Guine? You see there’s never been a decisive campaign on this subject matter it just rolls along. Turn off the news stop letting it influence your thoughts to the point anti vaxxers are your biggest threat to existence. It’s bullshit, like Jews were to the. Nazis?

And BTW, from your previous comments has anyone on here ever razzed you over the fact that you and your wife have been really sick and our taxes paid for you to pull through. And how happy we are for you both. Ya gotta stop this angle of drop the anti vaxxers medical benefits. It’s not right unless we start applying similar approaches across all forms of life choice.

And also remember it’s not Covid that is messing with or Guine. We’ve had 2 years to sort out the hospital system and it hasn’t happened. On purpose? Who’s actually making the decisions? Who are really the ones to blame for Guines demise? Anti vaxxers? Nah mate a group of the most pro vax government ministers and politicians... Go on admit it your argument and stance is all BS. And if you want to label and segregate it’s your mob that got you here and want to keep you here.

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blindboy Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 7:33am

Hitting a new low there shortenism. Nothing to say but saying it anyway in the most objectionable way you can think.of.

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overthefalls Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 7:55am

My brother-in-law and his brother are doctors in Sydney; one is busy rolling out the vaccines and the other is busy in ICU at a public hospital. When I talk to them about the attitudes of anti-vaxxers, I’m amazed at how patient they are; imagine how an experienced tradie would react if people who have never even touched a tool started raving at them about how they’ve got it all wrong.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 8:19am
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Ah Roadkill and there it is another displays of how brainwashed you are. Frightening.

Why wouldn’t or have you never said anything about the smokers who get treated the same in ICU? Or the ones who consume excessive sugar or alcoholic and end up in ICU and burden the likes of Guine? You see there’s never been a decisive campaign on this subject matter it just rolls along. Turn off the news stop letting it influence your thoughts to the point anti vaxxers are your biggest threat to existence. It’s bullshit, like Jews were to the. Nazis?

And BTW, from your previous comments has anyone on here ever razzed you over the fact that you and your wife have been really sick and our taxes paid for you to pull through. And how happy we are for you both. Ya gotta stop this angle of drop the anti vaxxers medical benefits. It’s not right unless we start applying similar approaches across all forms of life choice.

And also remember it’s not Covid that is messing with or Guine. We’ve had 2 years to sort out the hospital system and it hasn’t happened. On purpose? Who’s actually making the decisions? Who are really the ones to blame for Guines demise? Anti vaxxers? Nah mate a group of the most pro vax government ministers and politicians... Go on admit it your argument and stance is all BS. And if you want to label and segregate it’s your mob that got you here and want to keep you here.

“Why wouldn’t or have you never said anything about the smokers who get treated the same in ICU?” Uummmm…let me think about that, oh yeas, I know, because this is the covid 19 health system thread. Lol.

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shortenism Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 8:47am

Nothing low about it RK. It’s just plain and simple truth.

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Blowin Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 9:21am

When you’re watching this rally of everyday Australians remember the full blooded attempt by the MSM to label previous anti vaccine mandate protests as neo Nazi gatherings. Also remember the calls by the MSM that there was 10,000 attendees.

Exhibit A : https://theconversation.com/white-supremacist-and-far-right-ideology-und...

The usual mum’s basement commie softcocks spraying their filth https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/11/australia-neo-nazis-covid-19-protests...

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/09/21/melbourne-vaccine-protest/

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san Guine Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 9:22am

Thanks Craig. Kind thoughts really are appreciated.

and Shorty,
"Turn off the news stop letting it influence your thoughts to the point anti vaxxers are your biggest threat to existence. It’s bullshit, like Jews were to the. Nazis?". As Stu noted the other day, Godwins Law at work

and,
"Who are really the ones to blame for Guines demise?'
to paraphrase Mark Twain; The report of my demise is greatly exaggerated.

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shortenism Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 9:38am

Yep kind thoughts Craigy for someone who refers to the 100's of 1000s of ppl who are out there in Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide, Perth, Pt Lincoln, Brisbane, Cairns, the Gold Coast and all over the world as 'dullards'. Ppl standing up for their rights, your rights and those of your kids.. And Guine is the hero? Fk me the world has gone mad.

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Blowin Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 9:56am

They’re not dullards …..they’re far right Qanon nazis!

Quite interesting the “Far right “ strawman this goose builds himself. By the end of the article he’s that excited about the theme that he’s completely forgotten it’s a work of his own fiction. “Threat to democracy” when hundreds of thousands take to the street to stage a peaceful protest against government mandates which oppress personal freedoms……lol.

Deakin University should be embarrassed to have this dumb flog associated with their name

https://theconversation.com/why-the-victorian-protests-should-concern-us...

“But there is no doubt that, at the heart of the protests – their ideological roots, so to speak – are extremism”

Seriously…..that’s the opinion of an academic as to why the public might be concerned with a state premier granting himself unconditional powers, a mandated medical treatment with serious potential side effects and limited efficiacy being imposed on otherwise healthy people to combat a virus which they are very highly unlikely to die from and the imposition of a nationwide digital ID which has zero demonstrable benefits and creates explosive divisions within society ?

Peaceful resistance to this is extremism by ordinary Australians is extremism? Never go full retard bloke.

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san Guine Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 10:06am

Fixated on dullards, very amusing.
From the guys who use all sorts of offensive, derogatory and insulting language to support their arguments and deride others.

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synchrodogcal Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 10:11am

the irony of the freedom fighters itt seemingly chained to their computers...

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shortenism Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 10:29am

You said it Guine. Own it.

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Patrick Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 10:37am

The friends I know who either aren't vaxxed, or are vaxxed and support the freedom protests, are all lefties/greeny types. None right wing or extremists.

My girlfriend works in a hospital and hasn't heard of any vax injuries. My ex girlfriend worked as a nurse at another hospital until a few months ago. She now works at a day clinic. She hasn't heard of any vax injuries.

I read nurses and docs like san guine calmly saying there are young patients with covid, majority unvaxxed.

The ones who tell me the vax is bad do so evangelically and obfuscate when I ask questions.

Got my first vax two weeks ago.

At the start of it, I was pretty sure I wouldn't get the vax. I changed my mind after speaking to people who work in hospitals. I'm more at ease with the vax now.

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san Guine Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 10:58am

"The men, pitching forward insanely, had burst into cheerings, moblike and barbaric, but tuned in strange keys that can arouse the dullard and the stoic. It made a mad enthusiasm that, it seemed, would be incapable of checking itself before granite and brass." The Red Badge of Courage

Synonyms for dullard
airhead, birdbrain, blockhead, bonehead, bubblehead, chowderhead, chucklehead, clodpoll (or clodpole), clot [British], cluck, clunk, cretin, cuddy (or cuddie) [British dialect], deadhead, dim bulb [slang], dimwit, dip, dodo, dolt, donkey, doofus [slang], dope, dork [slang], dum-dum, dumbbell, dumbhead, dummkopf, dummy, dunce, dunderhead, fathead, gander, golem, goof, goon, half-wit, hammerhead, hardhead, idiot, ignoramus, imbecile, jackass, know-nothing, knucklehead, lamebrain, loggerhead [chiefly dialect], loon, lump, lunkhead, meathead, mome [archaic], moron, mug [chiefly British], mutt, natural, nimrod [slang], nincompoop, ninny, ninnyhammer, nit [chiefly British], nitwit, noddy, noodle, numskull (or numbskull), oaf, pinhead, prat [British], ratbag [chiefly Australian], saphead, schlub (also shlub) [slang], schnook [slang], simpleton, stock, stupe, stupid, thickhead, turkey, woodenhead, yahoo, yo-yo

Words Related to dullard
booby, buffoon, fool, goose, loony, lunatic, madman, nut, zany
loser, gawk, featherbrain, scatterbrain
beast, boor, cad, churl, clown, creep, cur, heel, jerk, skunk, snake, stinker, villain

Phrases Synonymous with dullard
dumb cluck

The first known use of dullard was in the 15th century

“Dullard.” Merriam-Webster.com Thesaurus, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/dullard. Accessed 22 Nov. 2021.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:11pm
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The friends I know who either aren't vaxxed, or are vaxxed and support the freedom protests, are all lefties/greeny types. None right wing or extremists.

My girlfriend works in a hospital and hasn't heard of any vax injuries. My ex girlfriend worked as a nurse at another hospital until a few months ago. She now works at a day clinic. She hasn't heard of any vax injuries.

I read nurses and docs like san guine calmly saying there are young patients with covid, majority unvaxxed.

The ones who tell me the vax is bad do so evangelically and obfuscate when I ask questions.

Got my first vax two weeks ago.

At the start of it, I was pretty sure I wouldn't get the vax. I changed my mind after speaking to people who work in hospitals. I'm more at ease with the vax now.

What a load of rubbish. It's not even a conspiracy that hospitals have an influx of vax injuries, its happening all across the world, Drs and nurses have been silenced by Ahpra here in Australia.

Guine never answered the question about vax injuries, he danced around it like a politician, if he says there are none he has lost all credibility with me, however if he opening talks about it, he could loose his job.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:21pm
Craig wrote:
san Guine wrote:
Blowin wrote:
san Guine wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvacci...

You work at a hospital San Guine?

Do tell about all the hundreds of younger healthy people in ICU with covid.

Not hundreds but a quick snapshot as of 2 days ago (my last shift);

5 COVIDs in our COVID ICU, 4 unvaxxed, 1 double vaxxed (but immuno-comp) age range 30-75. Very sick patients. Lots of prone ventilation.
Compare with 10 patients in our clean ICU (which has to be physically separate).

20 other admitted COV patients. 18 unvaxxed, 2 with 1 dose, but with pre-existing co-morbidities. Age range skewed towards under 50's.
The O2 requirements of this cohort are quite astounding, would normally be in MET criteria (medical emergency) but we manage them with very low partial pressure of O2. They have nil exercise tolerance and nil reserve. Their gas excahnge is seriously impaired, with obvious scarring to the lung tissue evident on XR but definitive on CT

But on a good note, there has been a definite drop off in COVID admissions over last 2 weeks, we have been able to close 1 COVID Ward, FYI 85+% Victorians are double vaxxed.

And also, those unvaxxed not requiring a hospital admission, but unwell enough to attend our ED, are being given monoclonal antibodies (but ironically won't have a vaccine)

Thanks for the SG and keep up the excellent work! Very much appreciated.

You really need to address the vax injuries from the original question though. Age group, healthy or not? Long term effects?

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:37pm
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Latest data is here.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-18...

Dig deeper Blindboy. this link is not what youre looking for. Ive posted the link to TGA adverse reactions several times which you, VL and others have ignored.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:40pm

https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-report.aspx

Here you go. type covid into medicine, select your dates for this year up until November 9 (data is 2 weeks old) and have a read.

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blindboy Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:40pm

Post it again if you want me to look at it.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:42pm
blindboy wrote:

Post it again if you want me to look at it.

Look above

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thermalben Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:42pm
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What a load of rubbish. It's not even a conspiracy that hospitals have an influx of vax injuries, its happening all across the world, Drs and nurses have been silenced by Ahpra here in Australia

I just called my wife, who's currently mid-shift working as a Registered Nurse at a hospital, and I put to her the above.

"That's a load of shite", she said (sounds better with the Irish accent).

I can also personally vouch that my wife - and none of her colleagues - would be "silenced by APHRA" either.

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blindboy Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:49pm

It does not seem to include the vaccine data, probably because they are publishing it separately on the page I linked to.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 12:54pm
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burleigh wrote:

What a load of rubbish. It's not even a conspiracy that hospitals have an influx of vax injuries, its happening all across the world, Drs and nurses have been silenced by Ahpra here in Australia

I just called my wife, who's currently mid-shift working as a Registered Nurse at a hospital, and I put to her the above.

"That's a load of shite", she said (sounds better with the Irish accent).

I can also personally vouch that my wife - and none of her colleagues - would be "silenced by APHRA" either.

Loads of articles about it. https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/doctors-complain-of-gag-... I also posted a youtube clip of a Dr reading the letter from Aphra.

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It does not seem to include the vaccine data, probably because they are publishing it separately on the page I linked to.

What data is missing?

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overthefalls Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 1:23pm

The only medical professional that I know who has been suspended (not silenced) for their ill-informed views is the local GP who was refusing to see patients who are vaccinated. Yep, they’re out there. Thankfully, most medical professionals are rational, logical people whose primary agenda is helping people live healthier, longer lives.

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blindboy Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 1:33pm

Not much there supa. The restrictions on Health employees, identified by the Guardian, are long standing and similar to those on many other professional groups in both government and private corporations. The restrictions described in the second one may be a bit heavy handed but only prevent doctors from advising against vaccination without a clear medical reason for doing so. Doctors are not restricted from discussing the mental health impacts of lickdowns which is what it seemed to be implying. The afr article is behind a pay wall. The last one is from March and is essentislly saying the same as the Guardian piece.
There is no gap on reporting adverse events mentioned and the restrictions are pretty much the same ethical guidelines as doctors are expected to follow which is to recommend evidence based medicine regardless of their private views.

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Patrick Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 1:36pm

"What a load of rubbish. It's not even a conspiracy that hospitals have an influx of vax injuries, its happening all across the world, Drs and nurses have been silenced by Ahpra here in Australia."

I live in Tassie. It's hard to keep a secret here, especially knowing nurses and allied health professionals that work in hospitals and especially because I could've been classed as an 'anti vaxxer' until recently. If there was an "influx of vax injuries" I would hear about it. I've been actively listening out for it. It hasn't happened so I got the first dose the other week.

I reckon there are reactions to the vax but not at the rate that the internet claims.

(What I've posted isn't an indication of what I think about mandates, oral treatments and big pharma shenanigans.)

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overthefalls Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 1:46pm

I know somebody who won the lottery; could that mean there is a high chance of other people winning?

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I know somebody who won the lottery; could that mean there is a high chance of other people winning?

This comment only rings true when you look at the chance of dying from covid.

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overthefalls Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 1:54pm
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I know somebody who won the lottery; could that mean there is a high chance of other people winning?

This comment only rings true when you look at the chance of dying from covid.

It also rings true with regard to people suffering life-threatening adverse reactions to vaccinations.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 2:01pm

Heard on the news today some anti vaxxers are worried if the get the jab they become a personal 5G hotspot!

Surely this can’t be true, are people so F stupid, anyone else heard this?

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seeds Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 2:17pm

Oh yeah. It’s the graphene oxide in the jabs. Turns you into an aerial apparently so you can be controlled.
Hahaha crazy shit
BTW there isn’t any in the vaccines

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Supafreak Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 2:11pm
blindboy wrote:

Not much there supa. The restrictions on Health employees, identified by the Guardian, are long standing and similar to those on many other professional groups in both government and private corporations. The restrictions described in the second one may be a bit heavy handed but only prevent doctors from advising against vaccination without a clear medical reason for doing so. Doctors are not restricted from discussing the mental health impacts of lickdowns which is what it seemed to be implying. The afr article is behind a pay wall. The last one is from March and is essentislly saying the same as the Guardian piece.
There is no gap on reporting adverse events mentioned and the restrictions are pretty much the same ethical guidelines as doctors are expected to follow which is to recommend evidence based medicine regardless of their private views.

@blindboy. I was asking Burleigh if this is what he meant by gags on medical staff. I’m sure if there were people being regularly hospitalised with vaccine reactions, then there would be no way of hiding it . I threw in a mixed bag of articles that are both rated left and right , the second one was from the far right and I’ve never heard of them before. Maybe Burleigh has some links to what he’s talking about .

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flollo Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 2:19pm

I actively follow the happenings in Europe as I have family there and some anti wax rhetoric is just mind-blowing. So yes, 5G in bodies, chemtrails, Bill Gates, Soros are in full force. Not to mention the fatal insanity from World Economic Forum coming up with 'The Great Reset' that just fired them up to the new level. I don't understand why they couldn't call it something else.

To give you an example; my father-in-law's mother is 90+ years old and had to move into a nursing home as she can't look after herself anymore. But now due to the local vaccine legislation, one needs to be vaccinated to visit the old lady. Out of dozen or so family members (her own children included) no one wants to get vaccinated so no one can go for a visit, even though the old lady might die any day. This anti wax mentality is so entrenched that some will rather have their mother die alone than get vaccinated. And I also noticed that they are getting more radical over time. As authorities keep pressing on they are becoming even more aggressive and radicalised.

There is no rationality here; we tend to keep looking for rational solutions to the problem however the problem itself is so irrational that it needs unconventional and irrational solutions.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 2:21pm
Supafreak wrote:
blindboy wrote:

Not much there supa. The restrictions on Health employees, identified by the Guardian, are long standing and similar to those on many other professional groups in both government and private corporations. The restrictions described in the second one may be a bit heavy handed but only prevent doctors from advising against vaccination without a clear medical reason for doing so. Doctors are not restricted from discussing the mental health impacts of lickdowns which is what it seemed to be implying. The afr article is behind a pay wall. The last one is from March and is essentislly saying the same as the Guardian piece.
There is no gap on reporting adverse events mentioned and the restrictions are pretty much the same ethical guidelines as doctors are expected to follow which is to recommend evidence based medicine regardless of their private views.

@blindboy. I was asking Burleigh if this is what he meant by gags on medical staff. I’m sure if there were people being regularly hospitalised with vaccine reactions, then there would be no way of hiding it . I threw in a mixed bag of articles that are both rated left and right , the second one was from the far right and I’ve never heard of them before. Maybe Burleigh has some links to what he’s talking about .

I have posted again the link to TGA adverse reaction database, which AGAIN everyone has ignored (wonder why)
I'm more than happy to post links for adverse reaction stories from real people. Would you like this?

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 2:30pm

https://ourvoicesmatter.com/
https://www.theprimod.com/post/35-year-old-suffering-tremors-after-pfize...


Here are a few from 30 seconds of searching, Everything is at your fingertips however it seems some fools want to remain fools.

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blindboy Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 3:13pm

No mate, some people want the big picture not isolated cases. You posted a link to a search page for medical side effectsvthst did not include vaccines. So if you actually have anything beyond isolated cases, which everyone knows occur, post it.

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burleigh Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 3:18pm
blindboy wrote:

No mate, some people want the big picture not isolated cases. You posted a link to a search page for medical side effectsvthst did not include vaccines. So if you actually have anything beyond isolated cases, which everyone knows occur, post it.

you need to type "covid" into the medicine which includes vaccines. select them, then select your dates and away you go. There is your big picture.

Geez, its like you want to keep your head buried deep in the sand,

https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspx

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Supafreak Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 3:26pm

@burleigh. I watched all of the rumble link , good discussion, good closing statement by the mediator . Would be great to see these guys with a open discussion with the lead scientists from pharma and the government agencies. Don’t think that will ever happen unfortunately.

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blindboy Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 3:27pm

Thanks burleigh I was typing the names of the actual vaccines in. I will have a look.