COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:46pm

Heres the major changes. Indo dreaming in lower case. My comments in CAPS.

The major proposals include:

-Giving the premier the power to declare a pandemic. CURRENT LAW ALLOWS PREMIER TO DECLARE STATE OF EMERGENCY GIVING CHO POWER TO IMPLEMENT RULES.SAME SAME JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
-Allowing that pandemic status to be extended for up to three months at a time without a maximum time period. HOW IS THIS A PROBLEM WHEN A PANDEMIC IS HAPPENING?
-Providing the health minister the power to make pandemic orders. TAKING THAT ROLE AWAY FROM THE UNELECTED CHO. THIS IS WHAT THE MOB ACTUALLY WANTED
-Allowing for prison sentences of up to two years for people who knowingly breach a health order and cause serious health risks to another individual THIS RULE IS FOR THE BIGGEST ARSEHOLES IN THE COUNTRY. IE THOSE WHO HAVE A VIRUS AND KNOWINGLY BREACH LAWS SPREADING IT TO OTHERS WHICH RESULTS IN SERIOUS HEALTH RISKS (EG ICU VISITS AND UP TO DEATH). HOW IS THIS A PROBLEM?.
-A person who fails to comply with a health order and knows that could cause a health risk to others can be fined up to $90,500, while businesses face fines of up to $452,500 for breaching the rules. AGAIN, ANOTHER RULE FOR THE COMPLETE ARSEHOLES. IE FOR PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT THEMSELVES AND PUT OTHER PEOPLE IN DANGER. HOW IS THIS A PROBLEM?
So to sum up the things that ID is scared about, it's two fold. 1 elected politicians having more responsibility and accountability and 2 punishments for arseholes for their shithead behaviour.
The sky won't fall in when/if the bill passes. You won't even notice anything unless there's a pandemic.

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Patrick0710 Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 2:49pm

Thanks Indo. It's interesting, leaving things as they are means leaving the powers in the hands of the CHO, which was a big part of the outrage. And now it's switched because some people think we were locked down not because of our Covid numbers but because Dan got some sort of kick out of it.

And considering the Bill has been drafted and redrafted for nearly a year, the comments about it being 'rushed' I find interesting as well.

Let's see what the Libs do. It's pretty easy to ride the outrage for political points but having promised to scrap it, what legislation are they going to create in its place, who will have the power, what will the fines be etc etc. Never a dull moment in Melbourne town!

Anyway, thanks for the chat. Hope you get a few wherever you are.

Cheers.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 3:08pm
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brutus Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 3:28pm

OK RK , how about an MP's daughter being attacked....Andy is a friend of mine and has helped us so much in fighting to stop development at Bells Beach.....he has got shit all the time happening to him and his family , as he's in the Animal Rights Justice Party....

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More lovely stuff from the anti vaxers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/qld-coronavirus-covid-yvette-dath...

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 3:32pm

"Let's see what the Libs do. It's pretty easy to ride the outrage for political points but having promised to scrap it, what legislation are they going to create in its place, who will have the power, what will the fines be etc etc"
The Libs in Vic don't do solutions, they just do outrage. They sook when restrictions are introduced and sook when they are eased. They've undermined the public health message at every opportunity, and then they have the gaul to pretend their policies wouldn't have lethal consequences. In the last two years they haven't come up with a single positive idea to help fight Covid 19. not a single positive idea. Let that sink in folks. Riding the outrage train is all they've got. And given that their shit poll position keeps on getting worse, more and more Victorians think that Dan Andrews is a much better option than the bloke who dines with mobsters for donations.

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 3:58pm

Ah Roadkill stop falling for it!! It’s all bullshit to create division. Of course it was those dangerous ‘anti vaxxers’ Wake up you are under the media spell.

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 4:01pm
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Ah Roadkill stop falling for it!! It’s all bullshit to create division. Of course it was those dangerous ‘anti vaxxers’ Wake up you are under the media spell.

bit disappointed you didn't tell Roadkill to do his own resurch and call him a sheeple.

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 4:07pm

Article from October 2021 JERUSALEM — Israel on Sunday introduced new rules for determining coronavirus vaccination status, making a booster shot a requirement for full inoculation and vaccination passports.

After pioneering booster shots for everyone 12 and older, Israel is believed to be the first country to condition the validity of vaccination passports on having received a booster.

The country said it would soon cancel the vaccination passports of more than a million people, mainly those who are eligible for, but have not yet received, a third vaccination shot.

To be considered fully vaccinated in Israel people must meet one of the following criteria: be 12 or older and have received a booster shot at least a week ago; be within six months of having received a second vaccination shot; or be within six months of having tested positive for Covid-19. The booster shots are Pfizer vaccinations, by far the most commonly administered in Israel.

In Israel, a Green Pass — a digital or paper vaccination certificate — is required for entry to public spaces, including restaurants, hotels, clubs, cultural venues and large private gatherings. Unvaccinated people can only gain entry with a proof of a negative rapid test carried out at an authorized test station, which is valid for 24 hours, or a negative PCR test valid for 72 hours.

The change in policy came after Israeli health officials and experts identified a significant waning of immunity in people five or six months after their second Pfizer dose and after studies indicated the effectiveness of the booster shot in preventing severe disease as Israel battled a fourth wave brought on by the highly infectious Delta variant this summer.
There are signs that the fourth wave is being contained. The daily average of infections has dropped by about 54 percent over the last two weeks and the number of severe cases among the hospitalized is decreasing.

“Now is the time to be strict about the Green Pass, be cautious and not become complacent,” Prime Minister Naftali Bennett of Israel said late Saturday. An early advocate of the third dose, Mr. Bennett said it saved lives and allowed the economy to remain open. Israel initially led the world with its rapid vaccine rollout and, with a population of just over 9 million, is one of the most vaccinated societies. Since the government made boosters available in August, starting with older age groups, and quickly expanding to the younger ones, more than 3.4 million people have received a third dose. People who recovered from Covid-19 more than six months ago are now required to get at least one shot.

Demand for a third dose increased in recent days as the deadline for the validity of people’s vaccination passports approached. A rush of people trying to download a new Green Pass caused the Health Ministry’s phone application to crash temporarily on Sunday, so the ministry announced that expired Green Passes would remain valid for a few more days. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/world/israel-covid-booster.html Is this the way Australia will go come winter next year ? Will those not getting a booster be banned from work and venues ? Even though progress has been made in treatments will boosters become mandatory if cases rise ? I don’t expect anyone to have the answers to these questions. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-first-time-since-september-key-covid-m...

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 4:05pm

Neil A. first man in the moon spelt backwards A lien. The little things in front of your face that go unnoticed.. Still reckon COVID ‘certificate of vaccination ID’ is batshit conspiracy? Hahaha it’s so obvious now it’s almost unbelievable...

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 4:40pm
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OK RK , how about an MP's daughter being attacked....Andy is a friend of mine and has helped us so much in fighting to stop development at Bells Beach.....he has got shit all the time happening to him and his family , as he's in the Animal Rights Justice Party....

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More lovely stuff from the anti vaxers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/qld-coronavirus-covid-yvette-dath...

2 sides to every story. Was Andy’s daughter defacing public property?

https://7news.com.au/politics/vic-mp-reveals-daughter-attacked-c-4618179

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zenagain Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 4:40pm

Boobytrap spelt backwards.

It is the little things.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 5:03pm

Btw Brutus, Violence is never the answer. No one ever deserves any form of violence or intimidation ever.

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 5:16pm

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shortenism Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 5:29pm

Wild ei nez

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Fliplid Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 5:41pm

Got to love a politician who stands by his words and principles.

Where do we find one?

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 5:54pm

Nice find Fliplid,
Call me crazy, but this looks like Scumo is seriously chasing the anti-vax vote despite his pro vax agenda a few year back. It's like the PM has seen the same polling I know of, that says approximately 7% of the population is stridently anti-vax and it's a vote changer.
He's going to have to work that dog whistle pretty hard like that turd Dutton. The Spud managed to use the word "segregation" about half a dozen times in one interview. Did ya hear that one blowin and shortenism? Cause I picked up Dutton's little buzz word that should only be audible to the anti-vax nutters.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 6:38pm
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Thanks for proving my point with the quotes from your links, Indo. Do you really believe that being the most heavily policed state in Australia puts Victoria in the same category as Myanmar, Belarus, Russia etc? In police states people get arrested and jailed without trial simply for dissenting from government policy.
Newspapers and web sites get shut down, political opponents of the government are banned from standing for election. Anything like that happened in Victoria lately? Or are you just spouting inflammatory bullshit?

Yes things could be worst and they are in some countries, but that doesn't change the fact Victoria has become a police state during Covid, nobody can deny this, it's just reality.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 6:53pm

No idea what numbers are correct, but this footage shows a very big crowd.



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GuySmiley Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 6:56pm

That’s so funny info, great laugh, you hoping for a gig at the Melbourne Comedy Festival?

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blindboy Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 6:57pm

No mate, it is not a police state. It is a democratically elected government implementing policies with substantial community support. You will have your chance to vote them out. To carry on with the nonsense that it is a police state means that YOU are the threat to democracy, YOU are the one that wants to undermine a legitimate government because you disagree with their policies. YOU are the one inciting violence and justifying it. Mate you would be perfect working for the government in a real police state.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 6:57pm
Fliplid wrote:

Got to love a politician who stands by his words and principles.

Where do we find one?

https://twitter.com/SuxHypocrisy/status/1461647301122822146

God that's some pretty heavy straw clutching.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 7:00pm
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No mate, it is not a police state. It is a democratically elected government implementing policies with substantial community support. You will have your chance to vote them out. To carry on with the nonsense that it is a police state means that YOU are the threat to democracy, YOU are the one that wants to undermine a legitimate government because you disagree with their policies. YOU are the one inciting violence and justifying it. Mate you would be perfect working for the government in a real police state.

Inciting violence? How so?

Seriously the shit that you type is ridiculous and it's honestly scary that you worked in the education system.

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blindboy Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 7:06pm

Mate language has consequences. You use inflammatory language and lie about the behaviour of government in a way that is likely to encourage people to be more extreme. Then there is your consistent advocacy for violence as a solution to situations it can only make worse.

......but back to thevpoint, what evidence have you got for it being a police state? Nothing at all as usual.

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Patrick0710 Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 7:25pm

Using the literal definition, yes, Victoria is a police state. But then so is the whole planet at this point in time, even the land of the free. Even Sweden!
Of course, unstated but understood in the definition is ‘under normal circumstances’ ie there’s no war or global pandemic etc.
Police states also don’t allow citizens to challenge government decisions in the Supreme Court, which as we know has happened three or four times in Victoria over the past 18 months.

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 7:31pm

"Mate language has consequences."
Spot on blindboy. There's a well known saying "It didn't start with gas chambers".
This absolute bullshit by the mob about living in a police state does have consequences. Just the other day some nutter called on people to bring guns to the next rally to shoot a democratically elected leader. He wouldn't have come up with that bullshit unless he genuinely believed Victoria was a police state and shooting the premier was somehow honourable. He made the transition from extreme language to extreme actions.
Extemist language leads to violence and ID, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:17pm
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Mate language has consequences. You use inflammatory language and lie about the behaviour of government in a way that is likely to encourage people to be more extreme. Then there is your consistent advocacy for violence as a solution to situations it can only make worse.

......but back to thevpoint, what evidence have you got for it being a police state? Nothing at all as usual.

What garbage, i only condone violence when protecting one self or ones property, you on the other hand condone and justify violence in the form of rioting plus destruction of private and public property.

I already provide the definition of a police state and showed that Victoria has clearly ticked all the boxes needed and provided a number of current media articles to support the view. (there is more)

The left was already suggesting Victoria was a police state years ago i don't agree on that though.

"Legal bodies war of Victorian police state"
https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1231000.htm

"VICTORIA: THE POLICE STATE"
https://libertyvictoria.org.au/content/victoria-police-state

"Victoria -building a police state on the quiet"
https://youthlaw.asn.au/victoria-police-state-on-the-quiet/

But during Covid we 100% became a police state, we had some of the strictest lockdown measures in not just Australia but the world, pretty much everything in our life was controlled by government and police, if you didn't abide you were fined.

That is a police state, and a big reason people are out on the streets is because people are now waking up to the fact of what we have been through and control we have been under from state and police and have a degree of fear that people like Dan have had a taste of the power over the people and want more.

Im sure i will forget some aspects but.

-Severely restricted ability to travel, not just internationally or between states, but even restricted to a few kilometres from home police can fine you if you break the rules.

- Stay at home curfew, if found out and about after a certain time, police can fine you.

- Activities like Golf and fishing banned, if police catch you you received huge fines.

-Children prevented from using playgrounds and other facilities, police can fine parents if caught.

- Police can fine you for not wearing a face mask

-Police can arrest you for a facebook post questioning things (plenty of examples)

- Right to protest was taken away, if found protesting can be fined even jailed, police even used tear gas and stinger bombs and rubber bullets in September, this is almost unheard of in Australia

- at-least one example of media rights being restricted due to political aspects

- Many business prevented from opening and many people prevented from working police can fine if dont abide

-People prevented from doing pretty much anything outside of their homes unless it was deemed essential, fines for people not abiding by restrictions

"Government insider calls out Victoria's 'police state' tactics"
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-victorian-governme...

"Why I was right about Victoria's police state"
https://www.afr.com/politics/why-i-was-right-about-victoria-s-police-sta...

"Beyond the police state to COVID-safe: life after lockdown will need a novel approach"
https://theconversation.com/beyond-the-police-state-to-covid-safe-life-a...

"The Australian 'police state' is nothing new"
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-australia...

"Daniel Andrews is accused of running a 'police state like apartheid South Africa' as he makes Victorians apply for permits to go to work and take their kids to childcare"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8594743/Daniel-Andrews-accused-...

"Covid Mandates Are Turning Australia Into A Police State"
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/covid-mandates-are-turning-australia-i...

"the police state is her thanks to Covid" (this one Sydney based though)
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/the-police-state-is-here-t...

"Andrews turns Victoria into his police state"https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a...

I could go on with more..but yeah, its pointless anyway, because you will just say the same thing,

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bluediamond Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:15pm

Holy shit, that vid indo posted shows easily a crowd upwards of over a hundred thousand. How come the media said only 10,000 or so?
Also chatted to a mate yesterday who went to the Perth one. He was guessing 50,000 there, but media reported 4,000.
Anyone wanna explain why the media are saying Melbourne only had 10,000 when the pictures clearly show at least a hundred thousand?
Btw, loving your posts Shortenism. I guess you were right with your numbers too!

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Fliplid Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:16pm

“God that's some pretty heavy straw clutching.”

I took his most recent comment to be firmly against government mandated vaccines whereas previously he was all for government mandated vaccines. In both instances it was unambiguous as to what he said. My understanding (and I might be wrong) is that they are two opposing views from the same guy. Point being, which statement is the one he truly believes in.

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bluediamond Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:20pm

Also, regarding Rotterdam. Lived there for 2 months. Probably one of the uglier dutch cities, but, also a really chilled place. I always felt safe wandering the streets at night there, even the sketchier outer suburbs. The fact so many dutchies turned out to stand up for their rights, from all walks of life is beautiful. And hats off to all the crew who turned up yesterday around oz to stand up for our own rights. Hold your ground legends.

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Roadkill Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:23pm

This is a police state!…...says anyone that has never been living in a police state.

So dramatic.

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blindboy Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:30pm

Desperate Indo! Back to 2004 ffs.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:31pm

I forgot some other important ones

-State controls who and how many people you can have at your house and numbers if dont abide can receive fines.

- State severally restricts ability to attend religious events plus weddings, funerals and even severe limits on visiting those in hospital, if dont abide can receive fines.

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:32pm

Fliplid.
Scumo is doing a Trump. He will hold multiple positions on the one issue and highlight the crap he said that best suits the times. Scumo doesn't support mandatory vaccines, but does require quarantine and aged care workers be double vaxxed. He also won't step in to prevent businesses denying service to the unvaxxed. Scumo wants unvaxxed Brisbanites to be able to go to cafes, but he insists on journalists at his press conferences be double vaxxed. He imposed financial penalties for anti-vaxxers a few years ago, and now he's saying we can't segregate people based on their vaccine status.
His position in 3 months time will be whatever is best for him politically. Science and the public good will play no part in his position. What a fraud.

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:39pm
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I forgot some other important ones

-State controls who and how many people you can have at your house and numbers if dont abide can receive fines.

- State severally restricts ability to attend religious events plus weddings, funerals and even severe limits on visiting those in hospital, if dont abide can receive fines.

Stop it ID, you're just embarrassing yourself now. By your definition NSW was a police state, Tasmania was a police state. NZ, Qld, ACT, WA and SA too. Not to mention virtually every country on the planet.

And have you seen those rules about funerals and home visits? If Vic is a police state, they are doing a pretty shit job of it, rapidly increasing freedoms as the vaccine rates increase.

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Hiccups Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 8:58pm
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Holy shit, that vid indo posted shows easily a crowd upwards of over a hundred thousand.

No. It absolutely does not.

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bluediamond Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:05pm

Dunno hiccups. I've seen footage of the GF parades where they claim 100,000. Looks same to me. One of Melbourne's busiest streets packed side to side...end to end. Unless they're telling porkies about the GF parade numbers! Bastards!!!

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san Guine Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:19pm

2011 rally nurses in Vic totally under reported...maybe I was one of the 100,000 there...hahahahahaha

https://otr.anmfvic.asn.au/articles/the-longest-industrial-relations-cam...

Respect our work. The Andrews government actually looked after nurses, all the rest, lip service and disingenuous platitudes.

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:24pm

The crowd size is irrelevant for three reasons.
1. It's not achieving anything because nobody takes them seriously. they have a list of demands that are illogical, irrelevant, illegal, and insane.
2. The ALP are so far ahead in the polls they can ignore the crowd, and whenever the LNP embrace those nutters, Labor extends their lead. 58:42.
3. There's absolutely no way a sane government would negotiate with that mob. They are leaderless and shift the goal post so often, Dan Andrews and Co know that the mob will be demanding something even more insane in 2022.
Those idiot protestors will never be happy. The string pullers will always find something to keep them angry. Keeping the mob together is the only thing that matters to the scumbags pulling the strings. Getting results (other than financial gain or political wins) is all that counts. And the LNP haven't been winning at all jumping into bed with the tin foil hat brigade.

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sypkan Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:32pm

you are so full of shit

if the crowd size doesn't matter... why are you, the media, and every other vested interest trying so hard to talk it down?

the desperation is palpable

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bluediamond Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:34pm

+1 to that Sypkan

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bluediamond Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:36pm

Btw is 'Sane government ' an oxymoron??

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san Guine Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:39pm

Hey VL,

These protestors are mostly dullards and best ignored until the next infringement of "their" rights, when they will become more vociferous and even more inconsequential. The Law of diminishing relevence is at play, unwitting participants in a game played by powers and vested interests, subsumed into the morass of politics and media agendas.

"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 9:43pm

Ya just don't get it do you sypkan.
That mob is an asset to the Victorian ALP, not a threat. Ignoring them means they win the middle ground, especially when the LNP MPs are speaking at those idiotic protests. The optics of LNP MPs speaking at rallies with gallows and Q Anon folk is horrendously good!!
95% of Victorians will get vaccinated, and there's fuck all sympathy to the crybaby minority who want all the freedoms with zero responsibility.
Did you see what happened in the WA election champ? The LNP in Vic are heading for one of those types of drubbings. Getting rid of O'Brien was a mercy killing. He was the lucky one!!

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Supafreak Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:04pm

Excellent article by Australia’s Professor Robert Clancy https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/public-health/2021/10/we-cant-vaccinate-.... And the comments section worth reading also.

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sypkan Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:12pm

you don't get it brains...

as I've tried to get through your thick skull... which seems inpenetrable... it's not just about vicco or any of your other repetitive rubbish talking points

sydney and perth crew are not out to 'kill the bill'

your probably right, ...it's not really a threat to vicco alp... (though your desperation and constant propaganda-ing suggests a scared weird little boy trying to convince himself otherwise...)

and you're probably right not much will come of the protests..

but to anyone who has an open mind... (as opposed to your desperate contorted little pea) ...the protests show a party atmosphere, amongst some pretty average down to earth folk who've had enough of the bullshit... your bullshit!

they are not the extremists you keep repeating about in the most mundane and desperate of repetitive manners... with lines and points just like dictator dan.... funnily enough... or should that be... desperate dan?

mate, the crowd aren't my people, Im vaxxed and happy australia is moving on from this little episode of indulgance into the most extreme of overreactions...

I have no interest in this group of people beyond observing, Im not going to join them, and i generally think their little music festival atmosphere displays terrible taste in music...

but I say good on em... after over 350 days of lockdown in victoria... the most locked down pkace on the planet!! ...these people are enjoying a release of tensions and some much needed group therapy... all the best to them...

your desperation, dandrews desperation, the media's desperation, and the general desperation oozing from all orifices of the countries various institutions, just confirms convincingly, that these people might just have a point...

even if they cannot articulate it coherently

so bat on... you desperate lying coniving stooge... your just strengthening their case...

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GuySmiley Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:12pm

Info calls Vicco a police state and from the very same cub reporter that lamented the police’s relaxed approach to Extinction Rebellion protestors blocking streets and going on to suggest on more than one occasion that delayed motorists “might take matters into their own hands”.

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:24pm

Vic is the lamest police state ever. It still has a fully functioning judiciary and elections, and as far as I can tell only one person has been arrested recently over the anti-everything protest, and he told everyone to bring guns and shoot the premier.
It's a crap police state. People can bring gallows and effigies of politicians and nothing happens. Nobody disappearing in unmarked white vans, and don't get me started on the media, out there asking questions at press conferences and reporting n shit. Fucken lazy cops haven't even raided the TV and radio studios yet.
No public beatings for thought crimes. No secret police, no moral police. And the various ombudsmen haven't been strung up in a public square yet. Shittest police state ever.

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san Guine Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:42pm

It appears the people most upset by the Victorian governments' management of the pandemic, don't live in Vic (apart from the 150,000 protestors).

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sypkan Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:46pm

I gotta say... it's a little nauseating...

that the same people who hyped up trump as, a fascist, a dictator, and a heap of other hyperbolic misnomers for years and years... with little incidence or evidence...

are now splitting hairs and playing all sorts of semantics trying to explain away whether victoria has become 'a police state' - a figure of speech...

when there is all sorts of evidence that victoria was indeed veering towards a police state... with even abc journalists voicing their concerns...

you guys really are a crack up

if you want to be taken seriously... you really need to show at least a skerrrik of credibility and impartiality...

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bluediamond Sunday, 21 Nov 2021 at 10:42pm

speaking of coppers..
https://theconversation.com/australia-had-a-record-number-of-police-shoo...
Interesting read about Vicco police in here too.
And as a disclaimer, not a follower of this journal. Just came across it, so legitmacy-wise, take it as you like.