2022 Election
Supafreak wrote:
Haha Clever.
But he needs to be held to account one day. ICAC will dig up many skeletons if that ever happens, but I am not confident it will....
What a hollow man he is ....
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:Haha Clever.
But he needs to be held to account one day. ICAC will dig up many skeletons if that ever happens, but I am not confident it will....
What a hollow man he is ....
What do ya reckon , it’s looking likely he will lose the election, something that I wouldn’t have any confidence saying 1 year ago in fact I thought he was going to romp it in 18 months ago. If he does lose , will he retire or battle on ? I’m guessing retiring .
Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:Haha Clever.
But he needs to be held to account one day. ICAC will dig up many skeletons if that ever happens, but I am not confident it will....
What a hollow man he is ....What do ya reckon , it’s looking likely he will lose the election, something that I wouldn’t have any confidence saying 1 year ago in fact I thought he was going to romp it in 18 months ago. If he does lose , will he retire or battle on ? I’m guessing retiring .
I am hoping he does not win, and with his performance he should not have a hope in hell. Really it should be a land slide ALP win.
However, he still seems to get a lot of support from media and seems to manage to avoid blame or scrutiny.
Has the tide turned against him? Hard to say. Came across a Courier Mail the other day and opinion piece from one of the writers made him out to be best PM ever, I nearly gagged.
I just got back from Coles and the shelves were bare, if the quiet Australians start to think he is in some way responsible for this he could be gone.
If loses he will be off to spend time with Jen and the girls and hope he is not dragged in front of a judge in a royal commission or ICAC.
Only time will tell....
Could there be a challenge before election?
Dutton,
Joshy????
Scomo is at the cricket..!!!
Nothing else pressing going on it seems...
andy-mac wrote:Scomo is at the cricket..!!!
Nothing else pressing going on it seems...
Just a normal bloke doing normal things in a abnormal environment. May as well make the most of his position before the “ stage left exit “
Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:Scomo is at the cricket..!!!
Nothing else pressing going on it seems...Just a normal bloke doing normal things in a abnormal environment. May as well make the most of his position before the “ stage left exit “
True blue Aussie!!
andy-mac wrote:Scomo is at the cricket..!!!
Nothing else pressing going on it seems...
I think you will find that every PM has attended Jane McGrath day since the pink ball test started in 2009.
fitzroy-21 wrote:andy-mac wrote:Scomo is at the cricket..!!!
Nothing else pressing going on it seems...I think you will find that every PM has attended Jane McGrath day since the pink ball test started in 2009.
Well hopefully he is not attending next year... ;)
Her recent videos aren't bad though
Why am I not shocked that ID is impressed with childish dog whistling videos by a racist flog?
#ScottyTheGaslighter lets in Omicron but wont let in a tennis player hahahahahaha. Thousands dead and dying.. Nurses broken. Businesses Broken. people lined up for hours. Rod Laver Arena turned into the Tampa. Hillsong get off on a technicallity yet put more Australians at risk than Novak ever did.
Dog Whistle at the Serb. You know u wanna. Novak is the Muhammad Ali of the 2020s. Political Pawn and world champ being blocked from performing simply because of populist politics.
Vaccine,Vietnam . V for victory. Just like Ali and Vietnam, time will judge this badly.
And dont worry that Morrison, #DomTheRipper etc has put your families lives at risk. AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI. Fuck our word on french Subs. Fuck our word on Afghan Interpreters. Fuck our word on Visas." We don't hold our handshakes mate". Australia, the lying 2 faced joke nation that can NEVER be trusted under this regime.
indo-dreaming wrote:Her recent videos aren't bad though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOXDX3KlKk
Nonesense....
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/15/company-part-owne...
Think a Royal Commission into Angus Taylor may be needed.
Is he involved in anything not dodgy???
Sheepdog wrote:#ScottyTheGaslighter lets in Omicron but wont let in a tennis player hahahahahaha. Thousands dead and dying.. Nurses broken. Businesses Broken. people lined up for hours. Rod Laver Arena turned into the Tampa. Hillsong get off on a technicallity yet put more Australians at risk than Novak ever did.
Dog Whistle at the Serb. You know u wanna. Novak is the Muhammad Ali of the 2020s. Political Pawn and world champ being blocked from performing simply because of populist politics.
Vaccine,Vietnam . V for victory. Just like Ali and Vietnam, time will judge this badly.
And dont worry that Morrison, #DomTheRipper etc has put your families lives at risk. AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI. Fuck our word on french Subs. Fuck our word on Afghan Interpreters. Fuck our word on Visas." We don't hold our handshakes mate". Australia, the lying 2 faced joke nation that can NEVER be trusted under this regime.
Yeah but Jen reckons I do a good curry!
How goods Hillsong...
Go Sharkies.....
Albanese "If only the world was run by selfies .. (then) this government would be good"#auspol pic.twitter.com/xmjnjvNrmr
— Squizz (@SquizzSTK) January 15, 2022
I think that’s Albo’s version of ‘ let it rip ‘
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Her recent videos aren't bad though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOXDX3KlKkNonesense....
I thought you were for sustainable population growth and lower immigration rates?
It's obviously a piss take of LNP & Labor's policy on high immigration rates, with the classic Greens coming in and calling anyone racist for suggesting anything but.
#ScottyTheGaslighter wants to boot Novak for "raising anti vax sentiment", but refused to boot MP Craig Kelly AND refuses to boot MP George Christensen for EXACTLY the same thing. Funny That
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Her recent videos aren't bad though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOXDX3KlKkNonesense....
I thought you were for sustainable population growth and lower immigration rates?
It's obviously a piss take of LNP & Labor's policy on high immigration rates, with the classic Greens coming in and calling anyone racist for suggesting anything but.
Immigration is a difficult policy area and I cannot claim any authority or in depth knowledge of the ins and outs.
However, yes I believe Australia does need a sustainable population policy due to environmental and social factors. The Greens get in a bit of a bind here in some ways unfairly as they are portrayed as wanting to open borders to all and look after the natural world. I think what they are really advocating for is a fairer treatment of less advantaged potential immigrants or refugees. Whether we like it or not any major party is going to be pro immigration for economic reasons as well as our aging population. Could this be better managed creating new population centres away for Sydney/ Melbourne etc? Probably yes!
Australia is a immigrant nation today except for the original indigenous Australians, and from what I understand both our wife's are Indonesian, therefore new migrants. I fear that One Nation, LNP and similar parties use the race card in a very dangerous manner dog whistling away to appeal to a certain sector of society.
Howard started the rot with his 'tough' stance in borders targeting people predominantly fleeing a war zone we helped create whilst immigration level continued to increase. He used these people as distraction and no govt since Labor included has had the balls to change it.
Hanson just endeavours to simplify complex issues to drum up support from her narrow minded followers ..
That's my $0.02 worth....
Tried to cover a few points there, maybe not as clear or concise as I would like, but 3 plus hours in surf this morning and a tad rooted!
indo-dreaming wrote:Her recent videos aren't bad though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOXDX3KlKk
I agree ID. Those Hanson vids are good. They should be. Seems she's forking out a good chunk of change.
And she's pretty late to the party really. Finally listened to one of James Ashby's bright young staffers who her gave the teacher a lesson of her own in "the sort of narrative the Right has made its own in recent years: “It’s just a bit of fun. You snowflakes take everything too seriously. Lighten up.”
And conveniently, the owners of Stepmates, the company who take the purported six figures from One Nation to produce the videos, are of course, "centrists, we take from the left, we take from the right, we make fun of ourselves, we make fun of everyone.”
Which all sounds very similar in attitude to the discordant and rambling streams of conscience served up by Swellnet's resident above it all nihilist. Maybe he is Stepmates? Or then again, is he (it?) merely an avatar - just another another creation from Swellnet's own animator of a series within the series? All too meta for me.
https://www.smh.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/pauline-hanson-as-a-superher...
@ Andy
Borders are everything as we have been reminded during Covid, the whole refugee issue is complex and been talked about at length here but, It was actually Keating that introduced Mandatory detention of asylum seekers/refugees/unlawful arrivals in the early 90s
Keating didn't make up the problem just like Howard didnt, Howard just happened to be in government (1996 to 2007) when the things really became an issue, and no it wasn't just because of wars, there has always been wars/conflict and refugees, it was also the effect of technology that has made traveling easier and cheaper and sharing of information much easier, the internet and mobil phones just added fuel to the fire in he really 2000's
Cheers Rocker, interesting read, thats why they are pretty decent they aren't just a home made low budget thing.
"Borders are everything as we have been reminded during Covid," Ummm, we don't have any borders. Never have had borders. We're an island. USA has a border, with Mexico. Another one with Canada. Name a country we border.
See, it's this "fresh frozen genuine imitation leather friendly fire" semantic spin that dumbs down the already mentaly challenged voters of Oistraya
Sheepdog wrote:"Borders are everything as we have been reminded during Covid," Ummm, we don't have any borders. Never have had borders. We're an island. USA has a border, with Mexico. Another one with Canada. Name a country we border.
See, it's this "fresh frozen genuine imitation leather friendly fire" semantic spin that dumbs down the already mentaly challenged voters of Oistraya
Offcourse we have borders we have both state borders and international borders, just because our international borders aren't land borders doesn't mean they aren't borders.
We even have things like a Border protection bill https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/bd/bd010...
and an Australian border force https://www.abf.gov.au
The countries we share borders with are, New Zealand, Indonesia, East Timor, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, and New Caledonia (France).
You have said some brain dead things Sheep dog but this one really takes the cake.
Settle down info-numpty your clown-in-chief hasn’t called the election yet and “it’s not a race”.
"Offcourse we have borders we have both state borders and international borders, just because our international borders aren't land borders doesn't mean they aren't borders."
WTF has state borders got to do with your "keeping borders safe" stuff"? It's all about international. You are mistaking "MARITIME BOUNDARIES", which mark the beginning of INTERNATIONAL WATERS, with "borders"
Ha ha nice back peddling there, you should own it instead dude, even the government call them borders.
Dont worry we all have brain fades and post stupid things sometimes.
Another example, if you have issues with the term i guess you can send Australian border force or the government an Email and tell them borders must be dry.
https://www.abf.gov.au/about-us/what-we-do/border-protection/maritime
“WTF has state borders got to do with your "keeping borders safe" stuff"? It's all about international. You are mistaking "MARITIME BOUNDARIES", which mark the beginning of INTERNATIONAL WATERS, with "borders" “
Nah, not clear enough sheepdog; unsurprisingly straight through to the keeper!
Come on Indo - you and that other bloody numpty Stan Grant who don’t understand the definition of borders, or the extra significance they’ve taken on of late.
‘This is about sovereignty. The cornerstone of sovereignty is borders. If a nation cannot defend its borders, it is not a nation….
John Howard captured it simply when he said "we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come".
Howard's poll numbers were sagging in the lead up to an election, then he blocked from entry to Australia Afghan refugees rescued at sea by the Norwegian freighter the Tampa.
Howard's popularity rose. Strong borders are traditionally strong politics in Australia. Being an island nation makes it especially so.’
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-09/novak-djokovic-covid-tennis-and-b...
Territorial Sea Baseline
The term Territorial Sea Baseline (TSB) refers to the line from which the seaward limits of Australia's Maritime Zones are measured. These include the breadth of the territorial sea; the seaward limits of the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and, in some cases, the continental shelf.
The territorial sea baseline may be of various types depending upon the shape of the coastline in any given locality:
The Normal baseline corresponds with the low water line along the coast, including the coasts of islands. Under the Convention, normal baseline can be drawn around low tide elevations which are defined as naturally formed areas of land surrounded by and above water at low tide but submerged at high tide, provided they are wholly or partly within 12 nautical miles of the coast. For Australian purposes, normal baseline corresponds to the level of Lowest Astronomical Tide (LAT).
Straight baselines are a system of straight lines joining specified or discrete points on the low-water line, usually known as straight baseline end points. These may be used in localities where the coastline is deeply indented and cut into, or where there is a fringe of islands along the coast in its immediate vicinity.
Bay or river closing lines are straight lines drawn between the respective low-water marks of the natural entrance points of bays or rivers.
Waters on the landward side of the baseline are internal waters for the purposes of international law.
Coastal Waters (3 nautical mile limit)
Coastal Waters is a belt of water between the limits of the Australian States and the Northern Territory and a line 3M seaward of the territorial sea baseline*. Jurisdiction over the water column and the subjacent seabed is vested in the adjacent State or Territory as if the area formed part of that State or Territory. This, and other arrangements for the management of offshore resources such as fisheries and petroleum, are defined by the Offshore Constitutional Settlement (OCS). The principal legislation implementing the OCS (Coastal Water (State Powers) Act 1980, Coastal Waters (State Title) Act 1980, Coastal Waters (Northern Territory Powers) Act 1980 and the Coastal Waters (Northern Territory Title) Act 1980) entered into force in January 1982 and February 1983.
* The TSB used to determine Coastal Waters does not include low tide elevations greater than 3M from the coastline or islands.
Territorial Sea (12 nautical mile limit)
The Territorial Sea is a belt of water not exceeding 12M in width measured from the territorial sea baseline. Australia's sovereignty extends to the territorial sea, its seabed and subsoil, and to the air space above it. This sovereignty is exercised in accordance with international law as reflected in the Convention. The major limitation on Australia's exercise of sovereignty in the territorial sea is the right of innocent passage for foreign ships. The territorial sea around certain islands in the Torres Strait is 3M.
Contiguous Zone (24 nautical mile limit)
The Contiguous Zone is a belt of water contiguous to the territorial sea, the outer limit of which does not exceed 24M from the territorial sea baseline. In this zone, Australia may exercise control necessary to prevent and punish infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea.
Exclusive Economic Zone (200 nautical mile limit)
The Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is an area beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea. The outer limit of the exclusive economic zone cannot exceed 200M from the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. In the EEZ, Australia has sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting, conserving and managing all natural resources of the waters superjacent to the seabed and of the seabed and its subsoil together with other activities such as the production of energy from water, currents and wind. Jurisdiction also extends to the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations and structures, marine scientific research, the protection and preservation of the marine environment, and other rights and duties.
indo-dreaming wrote:@ Andy
Borders are everything as we have been reminded during Covid, the whole refugee issue is complex and been talked about at length here but, It was actually Keating that introduced Mandatory detention of asylum seekers/refugees/unlawful arrivals in the early 90s
Keating didn't make up the problem just like Howard didnt, Howard just happened to be in government (1996 to 2007) when the things really became an issue, and no it wasn't just because of wars, there has always been wars/conflict and refugees, it was also the effect of technology that has made traveling easier and cheaper and sharing of information much easier, the internet and mobil phones just added fuel to the fire in he really 2000's
My recollection is that the intervention in Afghanistan and later Iraq exacerbated the issue/ problem????
Fraser handled the Vietnamese issue in a very different way, but I guess the world had changed..
Anyway, I appreciate living in a country that accepts many people from many different places and I hope this continues in a harmonious manner.
I have fears it may not, and the Hanson style video adds to these concerns....
The majority of our sea borders do adjoin international waters , however some also adjoin other countries and territories. They include New Zealand (between Norfolk Isl and North Is) , New Caledonia , Soloman Islands , Timor-Leste , PNG and Indo.
I should have read those earlier posts before I got boundaries/borders crossed., but yeah I was referring to the EEZ boundaries , the definition of a territorial border is a little different. my bad.
but to that ..
"Although in some countries the term maritime boundary represents borders of a maritime nation[3] that are recognized by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, maritime borders usually serve to identify the edge of international waters." (which would include the EEZ ?)
"The terms boundary, frontier and border are often used as if they were interchangeable, but they are also terms with precise meanings.[6]
A boundary is a line. The terms "frontier", "borderland" and "border" are zones of indeterminate width. Such areas forms the outermost part of a country. Borders are bounded on one side by a national boundary.[7] There are variations in the specific terminology of maritime boundary agreements which have been concluded since the 1970s. Such differences are less important than what is being delimited.[8]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_boundary#:~:text=Although%20in%20....
This discussion is bordering on the absurd. Don't you guys have any boundaries? It's all Scotty's fault. End of story.
This thread is going to be fantastic when Scomo gets reelected.
Roker wrote:Come on Indo - you and that other bloody numpty Stan Grant who don’t understand the definition of borders, or the extra significance they’ve taken on of late.
‘This is about sovereignty. The cornerstone of sovereignty is borders. If a nation cannot defend its borders, it is not a nation….
John Howard captured it simply when he said "we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come".
Howard's poll numbers were sagging in the lead up to an election, then he blocked from entry to Australia Afghan refugees rescued at sea by the Norwegian freighter the Tampa.
Howard's popularity rose. Strong borders are traditionally strong politics in Australia. Being an island nation makes it especially so.’https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-09/novak-djokovic-covid-tennis-and-b...
Im a it confused by your post, the intro seems like you are saying i dont understand the importance of borders but I 100% agree with the rest of your post, a country without borders isn't a country, borders are everything the most important factor for any country.
And ensuring control of borders is super important.
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:@ Andy
Borders are everything as we have been reminded during Covid, the whole refugee issue is complex and been talked about at length here but, It was actually Keating that introduced Mandatory detention of asylum seekers/refugees/unlawful arrivals in the early 90s
Keating didn't make up the problem just like Howard didnt, Howard just happened to be in government (1996 to 2007) when the things really became an issue, and no it wasn't just because of wars, there has always been wars/conflict and refugees, it was also the effect of technology that has made traveling easier and cheaper and sharing of information much easier, the internet and mobil phones just added fuel to the fire in he really 2000's
My recollection is that the intervention in Afghanistan and later Iraq exacerbated the issue/ problem????
Fraser handled the Vietnamese issue in a very different way, but I guess the world had changed..
Anyway, I appreciate living in a country that accepts many people from many different places and I hope this continues in a harmonious manner.
I have fears it may not, and the Hanson style video adds to these concerns....
Just for the record i have no issue with immigration even our current immigration rates, i just thought the cartoon was a great representation of the politics around it, and tied in the fire at old parliament house perfectly.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:@ Andy
Borders are everything as we have been reminded during Covid, the whole refugee issue is complex and been talked about at length here but, It was actually Keating that introduced Mandatory detention of asylum seekers/refugees/unlawful arrivals in the early 90s
Keating didn't make up the problem just like Howard didnt, Howard just happened to be in government (1996 to 2007) when the things really became an issue, and no it wasn't just because of wars, there has always been wars/conflict and refugees, it was also the effect of technology that has made traveling easier and cheaper and sharing of information much easier, the internet and mobil phones just added fuel to the fire in he really 2000's
My recollection is that the intervention in Afghanistan and later Iraq exacerbated the issue/ problem????
Fraser handled the Vietnamese issue in a very different way, but I guess the world had changed..
Anyway, I appreciate living in a country that accepts many people from many different places and I hope this continues in a harmonious manner.
I have fears it may not, and the Hanson style video adds to these concerns....Just for the record i have no issue with immigration even our current immigration rates, i just thought the cartoon was a great representation of the politics around it, and tied in the fire at old parliament house perfectly.
Ah ok, point taken.
I just get triggered by Pauline I guess... Haha.
Seriously though I do believe she is dangerous and stirs up the dark toxic side of some...
indo-dreaming wrote:Roker wrote:Come on Indo - you and that other bloody numpty Stan Grant who don’t understand the definition of borders, or the extra significance they’ve taken on of late.
‘This is about sovereignty. The cornerstone of sovereignty is borders. If a nation cannot defend its borders, it is not a nation….
John Howard captured it simply when he said "we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come".
Howard's poll numbers were sagging in the lead up to an election, then he blocked from entry to Australia Afghan refugees rescued at sea by the Norwegian freighter the Tampa.
Howard's popularity rose. Strong borders are traditionally strong politics in Australia. Being an island nation makes it especially so.’https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-09/novak-djokovic-covid-tennis-and-b...
Im a it confused by your post, the intro seems like you are saying i dont understand the importance of borders but I 100% agree with the rest of your post, a country without borders isn't a country, borders are everything the most important factor for any country.
And ensuring control of borders is super important.
Sorry for confusion ID, I know bugger all about borders, I read what you wrote, it seemed reasonable to me, you looked to copping a bit of flack, I'd read that Stan Grant article, who I think is certainly most qualified to talk about borders - and I was just pointing out, a little sarcastically, that he was thinking along the same lines as you.
Anyway, as Djokovic settles into his berth in first class, and perhaps rocks himself to sleep wondering about the nature of God like powers and contemplates just when and how he became a clear and present danger to public order and and a threat to the health of the nation, Howard's words could be ringing in his ears.
And if there was any doubt, the current incumbent and his immigration minister are happy to develop the theme, “I welcome the decision to keep our BORDERS strong and keep Australians safe... Strong BORDERS are fundamental to the Australian way of life... Our government has always understood this and has been prepared to take the decisions and actions necessary to protect the integrity of our BORDERS. Australia’s strong BORDER protection policies have kept us safe during the pandemic... Strong BORDER protection policies are also fundamental to safeguarding Australia’s social cohesion... Australia has been able to commence a step-by-step, safe reopening of its international BORDER..."
Think we get the message.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/tennis/social-cohesion-pm-and-min...
So the anti vaxxers are furious their idiot hero has been deported by scumo and co. Come Election Day a shitload of them will vote Clive or one nation and then pass their votes on to the people who deported Novak.
If these people stood by their convictions they rip up their ballots in disgust.
yep,, that's what Clive is there for -- to be a stooge for the LNP and feed the loony reactionaries vote back to the LNP
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/20/scott-morrison-pr...
Again Scomo demonstrating he does not have a farking clue....
What a clown. Anyone who had ever been near a warehouse knows this is next level stupid....
What's next? Fast tracking some year 12 students to be heart surgeons.
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