2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 3:49pm

Ed Husic showing some spirit in the ranks:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/team-australia-or-team-greed-hus...

"Manufacturing companies and other big gas users are warning they cannot stay afloat under soaring energy costs. Husic accused gas companies, which supply both the local market and export LNG from Gladstone, of “milking gas prices” and demanded they offer Australian companies contracts at cut prices."

Just re: manufacturing and a diverse business environment, I'm noticing where I am now many diverse businesses have been replaced by wall-to-wall 24 hour fitness establishments. Literally 3 of them shoulder to shoulder in one place!

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 3:57pm

Husic is only representing his business lobby mates. Notice he doesn’t once mention energy prices for the 25.99999 million Australians who aren’t in the manufacturing business sector. Don’t get me wrong, I believe that the business sector needs and deserves cheap Aussie energy but no more or less than households.

ALP once again showing that it doe’s not represent Australians at all.

Useless cnts.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 7:28pm

yep when we get back the gas will be replaced with a much better setup, big shoutout to Alfred Wallace here for inspiration. I worked out in terms of savings it'll pay itself back in 2 years (before 35% price rise), will not materially affect other energy consumption. Sayonara, east coast gas bill!

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 7:49pm
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yep when we get back the gas will be replaced with a much better setup, big shoutout to Alfred Wallace here for inspiration. I worked out in terms of savings it'll pay itself back in 2 years (before 35% price rise), will not materially affect other energy consumption. Sayonara, east coast gas bill!

VJ. Good on you and your family, you’ll never regret it.. In Victoria at present you can get your P.V system with no funds spent by you upfront. They ( state government) give nearly $2K and the other $2K you pay back interest free for around $35 per month, it simply can’t be made any easier. The motive in this state is to assist people who in turn assist them reaching their 2035 no fossil fuel use target. They’ve deduced that it will eventually make the running of the state cheaper under green energy than it does under the current regime. With the planning almost completed for the Star of The Sea wind turbine project in Bass Strait comprising of an area with a rectangular grid arrangement covering an area of around 458km2 and the winding of of all environmental impact statements and studying migrating patterns of all zoological animals as well as the botanical life forms, Victoria will be connected to energy generation across a diverse geographical and topographical range. Here’s to the future.
VJ. Thanks for the kind words mate. Always enjoy your discussions, your fairness and wide ranging knowledge of all topics. BTW, I’ve almost finished my lengthy write up about coastal dunes system as per when we last spoke. Spinifex remember?
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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 8:09pm

That's awesome Alfred! Imagine a world where our grandchildren's children get pitted on perfect beachy A frames cos we solved the Marram problem. Pitted every takeoff!

We already have the PV, so this is the hot water upgrade. My general rule is if it can pay back in 4yrs, I can justify the spend. From the coastal erosion I've seen here on the midwest coast (I know, La Nina elevated sea levels with currents by 10-15cm, but the erosion is a reminder of what could happen) it's probably a good thing to do beyond the cost.

Could be up for vehicle upgrade and electric still too much to justify so a 2nd handy would do, what do crew think of E85? Better for environment I'd think, better as not fossil fuel money to send offshore, too.

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 8:47pm
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That's awesome Alfred! Imagine a world where our grandchildren's children get pitted on perfect beachy A frames cos we solved the Marram problem. Pitted every takeoff!

We already have the PV, so this is the hot water upgrade. My general rule is if it can pay back in 4yrs, I can justify the spend. From the coastal erosion I've seen here on the midwest coast (I know, La Nina elevated sea levels with currents by 10-15cm, but the erosion is a reminder of what could happen) it's probably a good thing to do beyond the cost.

Could be up for vehicle upgrade and electric still too much to justify so a 2nd handy would do, what do crew think of E85? Better for environment I'd think, better as not fossil fuel money to send offshore, too.

VJ. Yes definitely agree with you E85 and other ethanol based fuels are better for the environment at present, they comprise of about 50-80% of ethanol as per the total volume coming out at the bowser. It least it’s a reduction in polluting gases.
Marram, what a mistake that was, but there’s 1000’s more.
I’ve surfed down that whole west coast of France on the Bay of Biscay. Lacanau down to Biarritz, sandy beaches like ours. Looked just like beaches in Ocean Grove and other places in Victoria, hardly a difference in the dunal system bar a few different plant species. Another coastal invasive plant translocated from the Euro-Med region to Oz. Mind you, way better waves than OG

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andy-mac Tuesday, 11 Oct 2022 at 11:11pm
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Albo the Eunuch delivering the Stage 3 tax cuts.

Anyone still vouching for this useless cnt?

Better than the previous cnt's all the same.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-11/robodebt-reviews-wiped-government...
Saying that, I'm not real happy to hear Marles contemplating sending troops to advise in Ukraine.
Re immigration, what do you suggest to help with rapidly aging population with major shortages in GP's and other health care workers which this will require? Never mind other industries.
Takes a decade to get a Doctor trained up. Another fark up from previous mob that Labor are meant to fix in 6 months. Have a GP mate and he's now studying further to become skin cancer doc because he can not handle the shit that goes with being a GP along with the previous mob stripping and dismantling medicare. Funny how problems only come to Media's attention after election.

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san Guine Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 8:41am
andy-mac wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Albo the Eunuch delivering the Stage 3 tax cuts.

Anyone still vouching for this useless cnt?

Better than the previous cnt's all the same.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-11/robodebt-reviews-wiped-government...
Saying that, I'm not real happy to hear Marles contemplating sending troops to advise in Ukraine.
Re immigration, what do you suggest to help with rapidly aging population with major shortages in GP's and other health care workers which this will require? Never mind other industries.
Takes a decade to get a Doctor trained up. Another fark up from previous mob that Labor are meant to fix in 6 months. Have a GP mate and he's now studying further to become skin cancer doc because he can not handle the shit that goes with being a GP along with the previous mob stripping and dismantling medicare. Funny how problems only come to Media's attention after election.

Yes Andy-mac, the health systems problems have been a generation in the making,

It's a disgrace that a country as wealthy as Australia has failed to train sufficient numbers of doctors and nurses, we have been importing their skills for 20 years!!

This whole debacle is an abject failure in Australian public health policy.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:05am
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andy-mac wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Albo the Eunuch delivering the Stage 3 tax cuts.

Anyone still vouching for this useless cnt?

Better than the previous cnt's all the same.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-11/robodebt-reviews-wiped-government...
Saying that, I'm not real happy to hear Marles contemplating sending troops to advise in Ukraine.
Re immigration, what do you suggest to help with rapidly aging population with major shortages in GP's and other health care workers which this will require? Never mind other industries.
Takes a decade to get a Doctor trained up. Another fark up from previous mob that Labor are meant to fix in 6 months. Have a GP mate and he's now studying further to become skin cancer doc because he can not handle the shit that goes with being a GP along with the previous mob stripping and dismantling medicare. Funny how problems only come to Media's attention after election.

Yes Andy-mac, the health systems problems have been a generation in the making,

It's a disgrace that a country as wealthy as Australia has failed to train sufficient numbers of doctors and nurses, we have been importing their skills for 20 years!!

This whole debacle is an abject failure in Australian public health policy.

Yep, I guess both sides of politics have contributed to the situation, but I am of the opinion that the LNP actively want to have a system such as USA. They cannot just come out and say it, so do it cut by cut. Refer to IPA's wish list to see what LNP policies are.

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quadzilla Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:48am
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Albo the Eunuch delivering the Stage 3 tax cuts.

Anyone still vouching for this useless cnt?

Hey, he is of use.Hes trying hard to beat Cough Whitless's record of OS holidays in the first 6 months of his term(that could be a typo).

As well as setting the precedent of being Mr 33%..or is it 33rpms(kinda slow)...

His 33% is a Turd of all voters and thats who he attracts, just shitheads.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:15am

Sweet Jesus , Andy Mac .

Why are you still rabbiting on about the “ALP is better compared to the LNP”?

Is it too much for people to expect the ALP to be much more than just marginally better than the absolute worst pieces of shit in the know universe?

Your apologist routine is way past it’s expiry date.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:19am
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Sweet Jesus , Andy Mac .

Why are you still rabbiting on about the “ALP is better compared to the LNP”?

Is it too much for people to expect the ALP to be much more than just marginally better than the absolute worst pieces of shit in the know universe?

Your apologist routine is way past it’s expiry date.

Ok point taken... I'm done. :)

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flollo Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:38am

Jeez andy-mac, why are you done? So, are we all just accepting this nihilistic sentiment?. @DSDS I understand that you're frustrated but 'absolute worst pieces of shit in the know universe'. Or the second to that I guess for Labor.

Really? I would give that attribute to a genocidal dictator. Luckily, we don't have anything like that around here.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:51am

We don’t do genocidal dictators in modern Australia so there’s not much point granting Scomo leeway because he’s not that low. Although, as a gentle reminder of just how awful a human he is, here he is smirking up a storm as the WEF heaps unearned praise upon him.

BTW …its illustrative watching how Scomo blushes at praise from an institute he obviously considers superior to his position. Recall that Scomo quite literally did not ever give a single fuck about how the Australian people judged his decisions until they took his power away at the ballot box but even then Scomo didn’t truly care about how 26 million Australians thought beyond how it affected him directly . Yet here he is with an unelected , non-representative bunch of nobodies who have done nothing beyond declare themselves a “ global institution” and throw money at the cause. This is the non-democratic route being taken by democracy throughout the West. As far as I can ascertain, the WEF has no more legitimacy than the Ponds Institute …..but watch Scomo grovel to see where real power lies these days.

No mistaking who holds the upper hand between the highest representative of the Australian people and the non-elected, self appointed WEF in the direction Australia is meant to follow.

But the WEF’s plans are all hollow conspiracy theories apparently…..

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AndyM Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 12:15pm
flollo wrote:

Jeez andy-mac, why are you done? So, are we all just accepting this nihilistic sentiment?. @DSDS I understand that you're frustrated but 'absolute worst pieces of shit in the know universe'. Or the second to that I guess for Labor.

Really? I would give that attribute to a genocidal dictator. Luckily, we don't have anything like that around here.

"Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated."

Jeez, that sounds a hell of a lot like post-modernism, but I digress.

I don't see the rejection of the two majors as nihilism, I see it as a progressive identification that they aren't adequately representing the electorate.

Encouraging voters to find alternatives (which they increasingly are in Australia) sounds like the opposite of nihilism.

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flollo Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 12:22pm

Ok. So who or what do you have an issue with? Just Scomo/Albo, LNP/Labor, all public employees? There are around 250,000 employees in the Commonwealth Government. Are we saying that all of these are criminals working against the Australian public? Are any of these people doing a good job? Is anything worth praising or we are all destined to slavery? It's not clear to me, I'm under impression that you are generalising across the board which is not fair to people who are doing a good job.

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flollo Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 12:26pm
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flollo wrote:

Jeez andy-mac, why are you done? So, are we all just accepting this nihilistic sentiment?. @DSDS I understand that you're frustrated but 'absolute worst pieces of shit in the know universe'. Or the second to that I guess for Labor.

Really? I would give that attribute to a genocidal dictator. Luckily, we don't have anything like that around here.

"Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated."

Jeez, that sounds a hell of a lot like post-modernism, but I digress.

I don't see the rejection of the two majors as nihilism, I see it as a progressive identification that they aren't adequately representing the electorate.

Encouraging voters to find alternatives (which they increasingly are in Australia) sounds like the opposite of nihilism.

Nope, that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about the nihilism adopted by @DSDS who for days is just commenting on how shit everything is.

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AndyM Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 12:28pm

Well it seems pretty obvious that the two majors are indeed shit.

Ossified and corrupted beyond redemption.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 12:42pm

Nihilism? Hardly.

Pointing out that Coke and Pepsi are both identical rot-gut rubbish is not a declaration that you intend to go without liquid till you die. The days of finding political representation in the ALP/ LNP are over. Unfortunately they control our democratic flexibility to a certain extent. We need to overcome this hurdle. That’s the extent of it.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 3:31pm
flollo wrote:

Jeez andy-mac, why are you done? So, are we all just accepting this nihilistic sentiment?. @DSDS I understand that you're frustrated but 'absolute worst pieces of shit in the know universe'. Or the second to that I guess for Labor.

Really? I would give that attribute to a genocidal dictator. Luckily, we don't have anything like that around here.

Just done here and on this topic, one last rant. I am glad that Morrison and the LNP are out of office, hopefully for a long time. I can relate to the anger/ frustration felt by many with the 2 party system. I hope The Albo govt does set out to improve the lifes on many ordinary Australians returning it to a more fair egalitarian place that I experienced growing up (may have the rose coloured glasses on), cancelling the Robodebt crap is a positive action. Might not seem much, but if you had a family member commit suicide due to this, or had to go through the stress, I am sure you are glad. I just hope that the people responsible are held to account for this, such as Brother Stewie and Scomo.
I am hopeful that Labor will get into gear and get a proper ICAC going, get a fairer tax system up and running, and start to fix the gas/ energy mess. I have always stated I think it's absurd how we have not followed a Norwegian style wealth fund with our natural resources. In reality they will probably not succeed in all areas, and I do think it may be time for them to start going harder against members of LNP re corruption, use parliament privileges to call them out etc hey Augus... So media have to talk about it.
They treated Labor as mongrels when Abbott came to power, so I reckon pay back should come, maybe the are abiding their time waiting for Robodebt RC and ICAC.
They should have started a RC into the media when it had high profile of KRudd and Malcolm calling it out. Murdoch will never be nice to Labor so they should go hard, law maybe just be an Australian citizen to own media organisation??
Anyway, the way the world seems to be going with Ukraine, China, and the economy, all this might be arguing about the best deck chair on the Titanic.
I am optimistic however that shit will get sorted out. We have lots of problems to face but so has every generation.
Peace.
Small in Bali today. :)

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 6:10pm

As much as i despise Labor and Albo, i still think LNP and even Labor are better than any alternative parties and id hate to say it but if you gave me the choice between swapping leaders or governments with the USA, Canada, UK, NZ, the only one id consider is the UK the rest would be even worse. (even you lefties must be losing some love for NZ pm now)

And then if you look at all the countries and governments around the world 195 countries, we are doing better than almost every one of them on a range of major issues.

Look at the major issues over the last 20+ years and we are doing pretty good.

1. Economy: almost 30 years without a recession and only technically broken by Covid which was a self induced recession caused by lockdowns we had to have, economy still in decent condition, employment at higher rates since 70s, yeah sure inflation is rising interest rates are rising but not many countries are escaping this.

2. Illegal immigration/securing of borders: While in many countries like USA and Europe its still a major issue, its not for us and as long as we maintain the systems in place it should stay this way.

3. Terrorism: It was a major issue worldwide after 9/11 and many countries around the world had attacks even NZ had the gunman shooting thing, while our government has foiled many attacks and closest we had was Lindt Cafe siege where sadly two innocent people died but lets be real it could have been much worse.

4. Covid: Yeah it sucked especially the restrictions on leaving the country and lock downs, but we dealt with it amongst the best in the world, infections, death rate, high vax rate, and its pretty much over for now or as over as it may ever be. (yeah i know people still die but generally limited to old and weak)

5. Energy security/crisis: Yeah our prices are going up even though Albo said they would go down, but its a another global issue, and just be thankful you dont live somewhere like Germany where they have really screwed themselves over closing Nuclear plants and relying on Russia for gas, things are so bad there is all kinds of restrictions on things like heating and they are even cranking up old coal powered fire stations.

6. Housing affordability : Its another world wide issue and doubt there is any country where housing is becoming more affordable, i know Indo prices are blowing up too, and it will always get worse as end of the day it basically comes down to supply and demand that Pizza isn't getting any bigger.

7. Gap between rich and poor: Another world wide issue that i expect is happening almost everywhere, its just the reality of life, success is never equal, the important thing is not so much the gap between rich and so called poor, its the average living standard, which we all know has improved greatly worldwide in the last 100 years.

Our government be it LNP or even Labor really aren't that bad, if they were so bad we wouldn't be so successful on these issues..

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sypkan Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 6:15pm
flollo wrote:

Ok. So who or what do you have an issue with? Just Scomo/Albo, LNP/Labor, all public employees? There are around 250,000 employees in the Commonwealth Government. Are we saying that all of these are criminals working against the Australian public? Are any of these people doing a good job? Is anything worth praising or we are all destined to slavery? It's not clear to me, I'm under impression that you are generalising across the board which is not fair to people who are doing a good job.

the problem is... 'Scomo/Albo, LNP/Labor'

scomo is possibly the worst LNP leader ever...

and albo is possibly definitely the worst ALP leader ever, ...with the exception perhaps, of a short blip called simon crean, and a long blip called bill shorten... possibly...

you can see dsds's frustrations... but - with respect - being a migrant, i don't think you've seen the decline of the labor party over the last 3 decades, and therefore cannot appreciate how much they have declined, and how much, they are now really just liberals with a 'nicer' schtik...

which is almost worse than being the unapologeric ideological hard cunts, at least liberals are true to their ideology and constituents... labor has become all smoke and mirrors...

they may be 'nicer' or more pleasant to have in office... but their smoke and mirror routine is more offensive than the libs just taking it all away and saying suck it up

even when labor endeavour to do something good, they just come across contrived, false, and snide...

yeh, it may be better than still having morrison there... but really, the microns of difference make it barely worthwhile

labor in the 80's and 90's were much more appealing than the current incarnation - even when they were stripping workers rights and certain privelages away... as they were relatively straight with the public as they did it, they explained it, and took the public along...

geez, even their 90's version of 'woke' bullshit was palateable and popular

now it's all secret deals, secret agendas, and hiding in the shadows

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sypkan Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 6:23pm

"Our government be it LNP or even Labor really aren't that bad, if they were so bad we wouldn't be so successful on these issues"

"ain't that bad"

or...

we are just 'the lucky country'?

it's a big, on rolling, almost unaswerable question...

(the dudes that know stuff know)

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 6:48pm

Lookout all three stooges are in the house … more incomprehensible word salad from the space cadets that barely can string 3 words together without it being an oxymoron…… whomp whomp whomp

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sypkan Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 6:57pm

and guysmiley's got nothing

(but put downs)

again...

you really are the epitome of the contemporary fake left

a clintonesque 'liberal' to a tee

me, deplorable and happy...

Im not you!

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 7:00pm
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"Our government be it LNP or even Labor really aren't that bad, if they were so bad we wouldn't be so successful on these issues"

"ain't that bad"

or...

we are just 'the lucky country'?

it's a big, on rolling, almost unaswerable question...

(the dudes that know stuff know)

The real advantage we had/have that some other developed countries also have is the foundations of our political system (Westminster System) and law based on (English common law)

We have good proven foundations to build on and tinker and improve.

Luck can happen at times but I'm more a believer in that you create your own luck.

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sypkan Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 7:45pm

yeh, you're right indo

but the real luck is the westminster system, ...imported, imposed, or invaded (depending on your view) ...to a big, wide, largely empty, land full of resources ripe for exploitation...

no matter whether it's labor or lnp in power, there is plenty of wealth to share...

the only mystery is how these two parties have done it so badly over the last 20 years or so

there is so much abundance of food, nature, and mineral wealth in oz we should all be living like oil shieks....

but somehow, these two bands of idiots we call our leaders, have also enjoyed the benefit of an economy booming addition of millions and millions of migrants through this period, yet, miraculously.... somehow.... they still have failed to provide the basics of secure housing and employment for much of the population...

it beggars belief

but life is good... it truly is... generally...

despite labor and liberal fucking everything up

not because of any semblance of good management

'the lucky country'

indeed

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 9:37pm

Wonder if being the Westminster system, a constitutional monarchy, we could ask the King to get rid of both lots of morons?

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flollo Wednesday, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:56pm

@sypkan I can’t truly know how Labor party looked like 30 years ago as I am 37 years old. I can study it of course but I don’t have the direct experience. Overall, I think there’s hope and I’m optimistic about the future. There are issues but I also see a lot of good stuff going on.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 13 Oct 2022 at 9:03am
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yeh, you're right indo

but the real luck is the westminster system, ...imported, imposed, or invaded (depending on your view) ...to a big, wide, largely empty, land full of resources ripe for exploitation...

no matter whether it's labor or lnp in power, there is plenty of wealth to share...

the only mystery is how these two parties have done it so badly over the last 20 years or so

there is so much abundance of food, nature, and mineral wealth in oz we should all be living like oil shieks....

but somehow, these two bands of idiots we call our leaders, have also enjoyed the benefit of an economy booming addition of millions and millions of migrants through this period, yet, miraculously.... somehow.... they still have failed to provide the basics of secure housing and employment for much of the population...

it beggars belief

but life is good... it truly is... generally...

despite labor and liberal fucking everything up

not because of any semblance of good management

'the lucky country'

indeed

It really comes back to ideology of what a governments role is.

If your view is a governments role is to provide for you along the lines of socialist type view(which I've never pictured you as), then yeah you wouldn't be happy, and i dont think many people with socialist type views would ever be happy as it would never feel like enough.

My personal view is a government role is more to provide an environment for opportunity where people then achieve success, whatever success means to you, it might just be having a job a family and owning a house or it might mean owning a big business and owning three houses and living a playboy lifestyle.

That opportunity has been there for the last 30 years and the majority of the population has taken advantage of it and yeah a big factor in how healthy our economy has been is on the back of a resource boom and immigration, personally i think we all have benefited.

While its good to see someone youngish like Flollo so optimistic on the future, for me i think the future is less certain than its been for decades.

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AlfredWallace Thursday, 13 Oct 2022 at 9:51am
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That's awesome Alfred! Imagine a world where our grandchildren's children get pitted on perfect beachy A frames cos we solved the Marram problem. Pitted every takeoff!

We already have the PV, so this is the hot water upgrade. My general rule is if it can pay back in 4yrs, I can justify the spend. From the coastal erosion I've seen here on the midwest coast (I know, La Nina elevated sea levels with currents by 10-15cm, but the erosion is a reminder of what could happen) it's probably a good thing to do beyond the cost.

Could be up for vehicle upgrade and electric still too much to justify so a 2nd handy would do, what do crew think of E85? Better for environment I'd think, better as not fossil fuel money to send offshore, too.

velocityjohnno. Good one. We have a an Apricus evacuated tube glass array on the roof with 30 tubes and it’s accompanying solar electric hot water storage unit at ground level, that if required is electrically boosted (from our own PV set up) enough for a 3-4 bedroom home. system. With each tube being cylindrical, light from any direction can permeate around the total surface area of each. It’s a folly to think this type of hot water unit heats water in the glass array, in fact it’s air that’s heated and as the name suggests the ‘tubes are evacuated’. All 30 tubes with killer hot air contained within, in turn heat a manifold at the top of the unit that contains a copper pipe containing pressurised water. In essence heat is transported from the tube to heat the copper pipe and hot water is sent down to the ground storage unit . For the small grey dull parts of the year here in Victoria, which have been many under that cheeky little girl, La Niña, any electrical boosting to the storage unit is provided by our own self generated power from the PV system.
I personally think that the new Apricus Heat Pump set up is now the way to go for heating water, such incredible technology, can also be coupled with your PV set up. From my readings and understanding, it’s more efficient overall, it takes up less space and is a stand alone unit on the ground.
Each of the systems aforementioned are only a one day install job. Whatever you decide, you and the environment are going to be better off. We’ve got one hell of a Thermonuclear Reactor above our heads, its not extinguishing soon, so we ALL should use it where possible. Good to chat mate,

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 3:46pm

This is funny in a number of ways

"Lidia Thorpe resigns from Greens leadership after relationship with former bikie boss Dean Martin revealed

An undisclosed relationship between Greens senator Lidia Thorpe and an ex-bikie boss has cost her a senior position within the party."

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/lidia-thorpe-stands-down-fr...

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 5:49pm

haha, that is funny

was funny even before reading this bit...

"At the time, she was also a member of the joint parliamentary law enforcement committee, which was receiving confidential briefings about bikie gangs and organised crime."

fwiw, I quite like her, and always thought she was a bit rough round the edges, now I see why, the rebels aren't really one of those gangs that can portray the ruse of just rough, but misunderstood good guys...

oh well, the greens 'inconsistent' position on a voice to parliment will be easier to push now

I dare say she'll go quiet for a while...

maybe

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 6:00pm

It just seems an unlikely match Bikies often being seen as far right in some ways and her far left.

But on the flip side i can both see them getting off on it as almost has a tabo aspect.

You can just imagine the bikie boss laughing with his mates " You know who im banging???"

And then going into detail about their in bed antics.

"then them going, no way.....farrrrk, I've got to get me some of this greens girl action"

And then the bikies hitting the Uni bar and things not going real well for them.

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quadzilla Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 7:49pm

lLIdia met that bikie the same way she meets all her guys, in a gang bang.

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stunet Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 8:02pm

^^ Really, mate?

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AndyM Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 9:09pm

Two grubs coming out to play.

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goofyfoot Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 9:27pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

It just seems an unlikely match Bikies often being seen as far right in some ways and her far left.

But on the flip side i can both see them getting off on it as almost has a tabo aspect.

You can just imagine the bikie boss laughing with his mates " You know who im banging???"

And then going into detail about their in bed antics.

"then them going, no way.....farrrrk, I've got to get me some of this greens girl action"

And then the bikies hitting the Uni bar and things not going real well for them.

Da fuk did I just read?!?

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GuySmiley Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 9:57pm
goofyfoot wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

It just seems an unlikely match Bikies often being seen as far right in some ways and her far left.

But on the flip side i can both see them getting off on it as almost has a tabo aspect.

You can just imagine the bikie boss laughing with his mates " You know who im banging???"

And then going into detail about their in bed antics.

"then them going, no way.....farrrrk, I've got to get me some of this greens girl action"

And then the bikies hitting the Uni bar and things not going real well for them.

Da fuk did I just read?!?

@info’s new “Dandy Market” moment and he gets so pissed when people don’t take him seriously, what a clown

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Oct 2022 at 11:08pm

I loathe to agree with albo... who's clearly in political point scoring / cut the greens down to size mode...

but it is hard to believe adam bandt could work so closely with thorpe and not have been aware of this relationship

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Hiccups Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 8:20am
indo-dreaming wrote:

It just seems an unlikely match Bikies often being seen as far right in some ways and her far left.

But on the flip side i can both see them getting off on it as almost has a tabo aspect.

You can just imagine the bikie boss laughing with his mates " You know who im banging???"

And then going into detail about their in bed antics.

"then them going, no way.....farrrrk, I've got to get me some of this greens girl action"

And then the bikies hitting the Uni bar and things not going real well for them.

Bahahaha! This is great stuff indo. Amazing. I wonder what goes through your head that you don't deem fit to expose to the world. Bravo!

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indo-dreaming Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 8:32am
GuySmiley wrote:
goofyfoot wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

It just seems an unlikely match Bikies often being seen as far right in some ways and her far left.

But on the flip side i can both see them getting off on it as almost has a tabo aspect.

You can just imagine the bikie boss laughing with his mates " You know who im banging???"

And then going into detail about their in bed antics.

"then them going, no way.....farrrrk, I've got to get me some of this greens girl action"

And then the bikies hitting the Uni bar and things not going real well for them.

Da fuk did I just read?!?

@info’s new “Dandy Market” moment and he gets so pissed when people don’t take him seriously, what a clown

Do i really have to put up with this tosser trolling every post of mine?

It would be different if he actually added to the conversations(which long ago he actually did) but I have not seen one post of late from him that is on topic, the last half a dozen post i have seen from him in three or four seperate threads have just been these type of post directed at trolling me trying to piss me off, they aren't comments made in a heated argument where people lose their cool and you can go, okay yeah it was warranted, but just 100% unprovoked trolls.

Surely these comments and pattern of behaviour break Swellnet's forum code of conduct as the intention is clearly just to get under my skin and rev me up which then just risk threads derailing into chaos.

Im not asking for anyone to be banned, but surely i have the right to not have him constantly try to rev me up when its totally unprovoked?...

Anyway i shouldn't have to explain my comment, it's a realistic scenario in how bikies or any rough nuts would talk, people dont have to agree with me or find it amusing thats fine we have different outlooks or sense of humour, even the comment like Goofy's WTF which just gave me a giggle and i personally though quadzilla comment was a bit WTF and crude (expect what Stunets comment was about) but each to their own.

Anyway Guy, you are gutless, you are super cagey even after years of posting here you have never posted a pic of yourself or given enough info on who you are or even where you live, not that any poster needs too but if your going to constantly troll me at least have the balls to do so, I've done all three and its very easy to work out who i am as others have.

If i knew who you were or looked like there is no way you would troll me as you do and then come down the Island because if i saw you down here id confront you about your actions and see if you would say the same to my face, which id highly doubt.

Anyway it's against Swellnet rules to dox anyone here so no names here but if anyone does know who this tosser is id really appreciate a tip off, as id hate to think i could be passing this guy at my beach carpark or sitting next to him in the water and not have the opportunity to pull him up and confront him for his trolling, so yeah you can contact me Mick here.
https://www.teloislandsurfhouse.com/prices

BTW. If the info is decent, id honestly shout you are slab or bottle of something as kind of over this tosser and again really sucks to think i could be surfing with him or passing him in the surf carpark and not having the opportunity to pull him up.

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stunet Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 8:42am

Reckon that's all fair enough.

@Guy Smiley, time to pull your head in a bit. Unless you abuse everyone you disagree with in real life, please don't do the same here.

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AndyM Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 8:53am

Indo if you dish it out you should be able to take it.

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 8:57am

Geez G.S. How does it feel to have a bounty on your head ? Are you a little disappointed it’s only a carton ?

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AndyM Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 9:03am
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Hiccups Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 9:23am

Here he is indo. I'll take a bottle of Stone's Green Ginger Wine. Thanks, chief.

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GuySmiley Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 9:32am
stunet wrote:

Reckon that's all fair enough.

@Guy Smiley, time to pull your head in a bit. Unless you abuse everyone you disagree with in real life, please don't do the same here.

At the risk of sounding petulant which I know isn’t tolerated……

Diversity in all its forms including of opinion is a good thing but when is ever acceptable to comment on someone’s sex life and especially so in a public forum? Truth be told if SN was moderated like e.g. any daily newspaper, while acknowledging it aren’t, that comment wouldn’t have been published and would most likely have seen the author permanently banned and yet …..

Very funny guys ….

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stunet Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 9:36am
GuySmiley wrote:
stunet wrote:

Reckon that's all fair enough.

@Guy Smiley, time to pull your head in a bit. Unless you abuse everyone you disagree with in real life, please don't do the same here.

At the risk of sounding petulant which I know isn’t tolerated……

Diversity in all its forms including of opinion is a good thing but when is ever acceptable to comment on someone’s sex life and especially so in a public forum? Truth be told if SN was moderated like e.g. any daily newspaper, while acknowledging it aren’t, that comment wouldn’t have been published and would most likely have seen the author permanently banned and yet …..

Granted it was an odd comment (the one following it just imbecilic), but it transgressed no rules.

Please dont go into the Code of Conduct and start arguing the point. I really don't have time.

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happyppl Friday, 21 Oct 2022 at 9:53am
stunet wrote:

Reckon that's all fair enough.

@Guy Smiley, time to pull your head in a bit. Unless you abuse everyone you disagree with in real life, please don't do the same here.

stu i'm confused what has gs said to upset certain ppl?
to me the ppl who should be censored are the smutty libel about lydia and indo's threats to gs because he took offence at a reply to his(indo) post, have you read indo's rant?