2022 Election
Okay now it's indigenous Anti vaxers and even somehow Pentecostals preachers, are they also far right white supremest???
Serious question do you think these things up yourself or do you get these other ideas from some obscure far left website?
Seriously ID, you can't be that stupid.
The anti-everything mob comes from a wide range of demographics and causes. White Nationalists have been actively recruiting for their cause within this mob. Penticostal preachers are known anti-vaxxers who believe God will protect them. Indigenous people are attracted to the anti-everything mob too. The wellness industry are onboard too. This doesn't mean all those attracted to these wacky causes share the exact same ideology. Fair dinkum mate, you're sounding a little unhinged.
Ha ha I'm sounding unhinged...god you cant be serious you are sounding like a conspiracy theorist nut case, trying to somehow link all these out there elements to things with zero evidence.
It's almost certainly exactly as it appears and all the evidence points too, a small group of Aboriginal activist got a bit carried away and shit caught on fire during a smoking ceremony. (ancient or intentional is unknown, although they did spray paint out security cameras which is a bit suss)
If you click on this instagram post that is clearly advertising the event you can see profiles of key people associated with it all tagged in the post, click on their profiles and check out their profiles, i can see zero Anti lockdown/Anti Vax type post they are all just post and narratives around indigenous issues mostly this issue as you would expect, the closest is one sign that says freedom but it seems to be in relation to freedom in an Indigenous sense their is even a video that take a closer look at the sign which is just held by some you indigenous kids other signs next to it is unity etc, on the same profile there is even a video filmed doing shit in the area we they have their tents set up.
I also dug a little deeper and looked at some of the people commenting post and still no anti vaxer type crowd.
Wow ID. So I’m the conspiracy theorist but the Sov cit nutters burning down the old Parliament House aren’t. Seriously mate. Have you started in the piss early?
Where's the evidence they are into any conspiracy theories?
Where's the evidence they are anti vax/anti lockdown crowd????
You just like to label anyone who you don't agree with as this or that often with zero evidence to discredit people (as does the media)
None of the videos or social media accounts show they are into anti vax stuff or driven by anti vax stuff, it's all about Indigenous issues.
News now also showing it was clearly no accident.
And missed this video but seems they actually tried to do the same thing last week.
It's actually a little sad as Bruce jr has actually had a few decent out of the box things to say in the past like this video. https://www.facebook.com/BruceShillingsworthJnr/videos/199776827904785
Vic Local wrote:Seriously ID, you can't be that stupid.
The anti-everything mob comes from a wide range of demographics and causes. White Nationalists have been actively recruiting for their cause within this mob. Penticostal preachers are known anti-vaxxers who believe God will protect them. Indigenous people are attracted to the anti-everything mob too. The wellness industry are onboard too. This doesn't mean all those attracted to these wacky causes share the exact same ideology. Fair dinkum mate, you're sounding a little unhinged.
Good that you've finally acknowledged that not all of these protest mobs are "right wing" - you were pushing that one for a while.
AndyM wrote:Vic Local wrote:Seriously ID, you can't be that stupid.
The anti-everything mob comes from a wide range of demographics and causes. White Nationalists have been actively recruiting for their cause within this mob. Penticostal preachers are known anti-vaxxers who believe God will protect them. Indigenous people are attracted to the anti-everything mob too. The wellness industry are onboard too. This doesn't mean all those attracted to these wacky causes share the exact same ideology. Fair dinkum mate, you're sounding a little unhinged.Good that you've finally acknowledged that not all of these protest mobs are "right wing" - you were pushing that one for a while.
Rubbish AndyM.
I never said anything of the sort. A good proportion of the anti-everything mob are right wingers, but I never said all of them were.
What is clear is all the main string pullers are right wing opportunists like Monica Smit, Avi the Wife Basher, Craig Kelly, Bernie Finn, Pentecostal preachers etc. There's also a bunch of right wing fascists actively recruiting members for their shit cause at the protests.
Stop making shit up Andy M
Nah, you pushed for ages that all these anti-vax protesters were "right wing", even when people pointed out that the whole anti vax thing has long been a left thing and largely continues to be.
The way you suggest that there would be no protests without so-called right wing leaders is pretty silly.
Suits your narrative though.
"the whole anti vax thing has long been a left thing and largely continues to be."
AndyM, that's blowin level bullshit right there. Sure there's a few mung-bean eating hippies at those rallies but that movement is being organised and funded by alt-right scumbags. there's a reason why no Labor or Green politicians are speaking at or supporting that mob at all. Meanwhile the speakers and organisers are all right wing scum. One Nation, Palmer, Kelly, Reclaim Australia, Yemini the wife basher, Sky News After Dark, Alan Jones etc etc etc.
Here's a little challenge for you champ. Name a left wing person who has spoken at, encouraged, funded, or supported the anti-everything mob, and I might take you seriously.
I’m not talking about individuals at a rally, I’m talking about abroad long-term movement.
All the anti-vaxxers that I see are socially progressive wellness bozos.
They have been anti-vax protests of different sorts for a long time without any prompting by the right wing.
Not saying that the right wing aren’t jumping in and co-opting it at this late stage.
"They have been anti-vax protests of different sorts for a long time without any prompting by the right wing."
This is true, Those protests typically involved a dozen or so complete muppets that were easily written off as anti-science cranks. The recent anti-everything mob are very much a product of the alt-right. It's organised by the right, funded by the nutter right, promoted on hard right wing media, and the rallies attract a very right wing crowd, including right wing fascists.. Yes there still may be a few die-hard dopey anti-vax hippies, but they are very small in numbers compared to the rest of the mob.
AndyM wrote:I’m not talking about individuals at a rally, I’m talking about abroad long-term movement.
All the anti-vaxxers that I see are socially progressive wellness bozos.
They have been anti-vax protests of different sorts for a long time without any prompting by the right wing.
Not saying that the right wing aren’t jumping in and co-opting it at this late stage.
I'll say it. Most are right wing - didn't see the extreme left greens at the marches. Did see Clive Palmers united party with humpty craig Kelly dumpty, saw Pauline Hanson, Peta Credlin. Saw Fox news, Paul Murray, Alan Jones all throw their weight behind the anti vax protests. Just because a bunch of "patriots" go and buy and wear brand new high viz' shirts doesn't make them "left wing".
“ ... Sure there's a few mung-bean eating hippies ...”
Mmmm, mung beans
There is no doubt the anti vax movement traditionally has been a new age, wellness type thing, traditionally the realm of mostly misguided mothers that believe anything they read on facebook is true.
Since Covid hit it's impossible to categorise who is or isn't anti covid vax or anti lockdowns, anti mandates, anti whatever and it's all not black and white either many pro vax people are anti mandates or anti lockdowns or anti covid vax for children or whatever, there now really is 100 shades of grey especially when talking vaccine mandates or covid vax for children.
I will admit right wing media has taken ownership and fuelled a lot of these narratives and numbers of subscribers to Sky news and Avi etc have sky rocketed, but it's doesn't mean those people are Ant Vaxers often just anti lockdown, anti mandates etc
I mean Trump was big on pushing to get Covid vaccines created as fast as possible, it more the right arent so into having governments run their life's that's more a left thing (socialism and communism being the extreme) off course their is exceptions with anarchists types etc
Yeah sure a lot of those on the left aren't openly anti vax as they would become targets of being cancelled, but you can bet there is many and then there is people that identify as left wing and are openly against much of it, Joe Rogan & Russell Brand for instance and im sure that Aussie chef that surfs isn't right wing either.
And there was talk about anti vaxers in the Greens etc early on (paywalled but you get the idea)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE1...
Another article https://unherd.com/2021/03/the-dangerous-naivety-of-green-anti-vaxxers/
There is some examples of clearly left leaning people even in the forums that are very anti vax like Blue Diamond for instance.
BTW. this deserves a seperate post, the big difference about being openly anti vax or anti lockdown or anti mandates for someone on the right and left be it famous or even just an everyday person is:
Right: You will be accepted for your view no matter pro vax or anti vax, or what ever mix of beliefs you have.
Left: You risk being cancelled especially if a politician or famous, even if you're an everyday person you risk being cancelled and judged and now even a stigma you are part of the right wing mob.
Nice bland white bread post there info my reading of the protests is that it’s the permanent angry among us that are doing it ie men over 50 adverse to any change or reason
Sheepdog wrote:AndyM wrote:I’m not talking about individuals at a rally, I’m talking about abroad long-term movement.
All the anti-vaxxers that I see are socially progressive wellness bozos.
They have been anti-vax protests of different sorts for a long time without any prompting by the right wing.
Not saying that the right wing aren’t jumping in and co-opting it at this late stage.I'll say it. Most are right wing - didn't see the extreme left greens at the marches. Did see Clive Palmers united party with humpty craig Kelly dumpty, saw Pauline Hanson, Peta Credlin. Saw Fox news, Paul Murray, Alan Jones all throw their weight behind the anti vax protests. Just because a bunch of "patriots" go and buy and wear brand new high viz' shirts doesn't make them "left wing".
You and Vic can talk about selected individuals at a few rallies but I am talking about the overall concept that anti-vaxxers are right wing.
It’s just not true.
The maybe tens of thousands of anti-vaxxed in Northern New South Wales are definitely not right wing.
Again I accept that right wing elements have co-opted this issue.
Apart from that I actually got a warm and fuzzy tingly feeling when Vic and I almost agreed.
To hear the shrillness go out of his voice for a second was a beautiful thing.
“Left: You risk being cancelled especially if a politician or famous, even if you're an everyday person you risk being cancelled and judged and now even a stigma you are part of the right wing mob”
All the anti-vaxxers I have seen (and there are thousands of them) couldn’t give a shit about being tarnished with the right wing brush.
They are too deeply invested in their ideology and too deeply committed to the tribe.
I think they find it extremely easy to distance themselves at least in their own heads from grogans like Pauline Hanson and Craig Kelly.
There's a reason why lefties shun anti-vaxxers. We generally don't tolerate anti-science opinions that are dangerous to everyone's health. That type of selfish and profoundly stupid individualism is very much a right wing thing.
Being a fuckwit does have consequences. I'd suggest the left has less tolerance for arseholes who think their right to refuse a vaccine or not isolate when required, at the expense of other people, doesn't come with consequences.
GuySmiley wrote:Nice bland white bread post there info my reading of the protests is that it’s the permanent angry among us that are doing it ie men over 50 adverse to any change or reason
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/disaffected-and-mad-as-hell-p...
GuySmiley wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Nice bland white bread post there info my reading of the protests is that it’s the permanent angry among us that are doing it ie men over 50 adverse to any change or reason
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/disaffected-and-mad-as-hell-p...
Yeah…nah.
GuySmiley wrote:Nice bland white bread post there info my reading of the protests is that it’s the permanent angry among us that are doing it ie men over 50 adverse to any change or reason
You obviously missed the time-lapse videos ive shared of crowds at protest, one from Brisbane was mostly women if anything, i noticed the protest after the lockdowns ended were real mixed lots of younger people and people of all ages even skin colours, the latter anti lockdown legislation ones(like vid below) tend to be an older demographic i guess more political, but still pretty much an even split between men and women, and im not sure what right wing people are suppose to look like but they look like everyday people to me.
GuySmiley wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Nice bland white bread post there info my reading of the protests is that it’s the permanent angry among us that are doing it ie men over 50 adverse to any change or reason
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/disaffected-and-mad-as-hell-p...
BTW. Just reading your article
John Scales, founder of JWS Research, told The Sunday Telegraph recently that the type of voter who’d back Palmer – and his new friend Craig Kelly – was rapidly changing.
"In 2019 UAP voters tended to be men, aged over 65, who were voting against another party. They were also more likely to have a low education, be unemployed or on a low income.
But, Scales said, they are now more likely to be under the age of 54 and made up of skilled labourers and lower-end middle-management."
Same same everywhere no matter how you blow it out your flue gents, no matter the issue nor place same same angry mob, same gendered/aged group threatened by change or something, anything .... fuelled by the open university and its self taught experts on social media
"There's a reason why lefties shun anti-vaxxers. We generally don't tolerate anti-science opinions that are dangerous to everyone's health. That type of selfish and profoundly stupid individualism is very much a right wing thing."
You're talking absolute dogshit.
GuySmiley wrote:Same same everywhere no matter how you blow it out your flue gents, no matter the issue nor place same same angry mob, same gendered/aged group threatened by change or something, anything ....
Ha ha even a video and photos can't change you mind, just like VL.
Id be putting my money on it that most of these people havent even protested before or if they have it was long ago, most protest before Covid were made up of younger people a lot of the core group of many protest being serial protestors.
ID's mob are coordinated by powerful right wing fuckwits, encouraged by right wing scum in the media, listen to right wing fuckwit MPs at the rallies, have shit for brains, are violent, and are targeted as potential members by the fascist right.
These facts cut him deep,
Or, without knowing for certain, they're just normal people that have had a gutful irrespective of how you want to label them?
Zen, it's no secret who is pulling the strings with this mob. The tactics, themes, and objectives are virtually identical to the mobs in the USA. If that's normal, Australia is fucked, but I don't think they represent mainstream Australia.
I live in a very normal place and these anti-vaxxer, anti lockdown, anti pandemic bill, anti whatever is next attitudes are widely, and loudly condemned, in our community.
cool and normal. according to ID.
AndyM wrote:Sheepdog wrote:AndyM wrote:I’m not talking about individuals at a rally, I’m talking about abroad long-term movement.
All the anti-vaxxers that I see are socially progressive wellness bozos.
They have been anti-vax protests of different sorts for a long time without any prompting by the right wing.
Not saying that the right wing aren’t jumping in and co-opting it at this late stage.I'll say it. Most are right wing - didn't see the extreme left greens at the marches. Did see Clive Palmers united party with humpty craig Kelly dumpty, saw Pauline Hanson, Peta Credlin. Saw Fox news, Paul Murray, Alan Jones all throw their weight behind the anti vax protests. Just because a bunch of "patriots" go and buy and wear brand new high viz' shirts doesn't make them "left wing".
You and Vic can talk about selected individuals at a few rallies but I am talking about the overall concept that anti-vaxxers are right wing.
It’s just not true.
The maybe tens of thousands of anti-vaxxed in Northern New South Wales are definitely not right wing.Again I accept that right wing elements have co-opted this issue.
Apart from that I actually got a warm and fuzzy tingly feeling when Vic and I almost agreed.
To hear the shrillness go out of his voice for a second was a beautiful thing.
I said MOST are right wing. Sure. There's a scattering of mung bean eating nuffies in Nimbin. But for every one of them, there is 5 tin foil hat wearing suburban patriots thinking there's computer chips in the vax
You're out of touch Sheepy, there's probably ten thousand left wing tin foil hat wearing numpties in Northern NSW alone, from your Nimbin ferals to your Byron hipsters to you wealthy middle-age wellness mums and everything in between.
Very average looking people of all race and creed are anti-vaxxers, anti 5G etc etc and have been for a long time, way before Covid.
And they all have one thing in common - they consider themselves very socially progressive, right on the cutting edge.
What I wonder is why these mouth breathers like Craig Kelly are jumping on the bandwagon - purely to stir some anti-government shit?
Or because they are sheep and want to follow the U.S. example?
An easy way to get some publicity?
I can't imagine they have any history of being devoted to the cause, I wouldn't believe this for a second.
@VL, we all know these videos are of the union protest in Melbourne ironically if involved in unions most likely Labor voters too.
But hey if they have a beard or tatt's, they must be right wing.
They'd be some of the last vestiges of the material Left.
Pretty galling for Vic who (fairly erroneously) calls himself Left.
After all, Vic is light years from the material Left.
zenagain wrote:Or, without knowing for certain, they're just normal people that have had a gutful irrespective of how you want to label them?
this is what brains totally overlooks in his endeavour to smoothe over and deflect everything, in his never ending game of damage control propaganda...
it really really does not matter who is putting up flyers and posts for these rallies...
what matters is... that a whole bunch of people from all walks of life, and all poles of the political spectrum, have felt the common need to give up their time, stand up, and say enough with your bullshit!!
there is fertile ground there for a reason...
ground for the taking
for the left to just deny, deflect, blame shift, and play their usual high school girl cancel culture bullshit, hoping it all goes away just totally misses the point
and once again makes them look a bunch of total fools, dancing around their post modernist choose your own reality fairy garden... whilst the right just laughs, sits back, and watches the self immoliation unfold...
again...
it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic
it is funny
because as vicvocal proves daily... certain sectors of the left are beyond help
so just enjoy the tragic humour unfold...
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And what about these thugs ID? Seriously mate, you're excusing complete arseholes mate. Just own it. Your mob are violent scumbags.
Hey ID, does it cut you really deep that the BLM protest had so many more people than your shitful mob, everyone was masked up, and there was no violence.
Your mob are just a right wing rabble being played by fat billionaire miners. Stupid, violent thugs who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
My mob???
How on earth are they my mob?... I've never been a member of a union in my life.
And i abided by all the lockdown rules.
None of these protest are my mobs, im pro vax for gods sake.
The only protest i support is ones fighting Dans bill, the others im not a fan off either way although i do understand why people might protest though no matter what issue they are there for, vax, lockdowns, vax mandates, Dans bill, they are all real issues that have affected all people.
FFS you have got some screws loose, the damage and mayham caused by Antifa and BLM in the USA in 2020 pales in significance, rioting over imaginary fascist, and you support the scum.
Vic Local wrote:Hey ID, does it cut you really deep that the BLM protest had so many more people than your shitful mob, everyone was masked up, and there was no violence.
Your mob are just a right wing rabble being played by fat billionaire miners. Stupid, violent thugs who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
and the choose your own reality continues...
I have no doubt the biggest freedom protest weekend was easily as big if not bigger than BLM
but, propaganda is your business
"I have no doubt the biggest freedom protest weekend was easily as big if not bigger than BLM"
Was that the one the idiot mob smashed up the union Building, the one the idiots took over the Westgate bridge terrorising motorists, or the one they put 10 police officers in hospital?
“Material left” ... I’ll add that to leftist, fake left, real left, woke, anymore ladies?
Oh I do yearn for much simpler times when the put down was being called a commie, red or socialist
none of those... they were small fry by comparison...
the big one was super big
and super peaceful
not a single arrest I believe
but Im sure you can cook it up otherwise...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/old-parliament-ho...
where's you apology to the Tent Embassy Mob ID?
It's surprising the protest have remained so peaceful really, these aren't protest about stopping a dam or something, a lot of these issues have really affected peoples life's mentally and financially.
Ive met people now that have lost jobs and my cousin lost is business, and they feel very angry, and you can imagine there is some pretty sad stories out there of people losing friends and family to suicide or not being able to spend the time they normally could with people on their death beds etc.
So many stories out there, most that will go untold.
GuySmiley wrote:“Material left” ... I’ll add that to leftist, fake left, real left, woke, anymore ladies?
Oh I do yearn for much simpler times when the put down was being called a commie, red or socialist
I wonder if the "material left" are related to "cultural marxists" or any other alt-right catchphrase they use to define their enemies. gotta have a new enemy to keep the mouth breathers engaged.
Vic Local wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/old-parliament-ho...
where's you apology to the Tent Embassy Mob ID?
Ha ha what garbage you are such a wanker VL, it's very easy to see who the organisers are and the main drivers behind the movement Bruce senior and Jr their instagram feeds are 99% about indigenous issues, it's all there for people to see.
I already showed you where to find their profiles, there is even one with video of him and others camping out, im sure the tent embassy mob were happy to have their support and then obviously distance themselves when things went bad last week.
The Guardian is full of crap as per normal, just like you, anything they dont like is either because of some conspiracy nutters, racist, fascist, white supremest, or far right groups, they just cant admit that Aboriginal people can do silly things on the basis of their believes around Aboriginal related issues.
This is last weeks attempt that's Bruce Jr with the stick, and see his and others instagram post, like i said 99% indigenous issues.
GuySmiley wrote:“Material left” ... I’ll add that to leftist, fake left, real left, woke, anymore ladies?
Oh I do yearn for much simpler times when the put down was being called a commie, red or socialist
Surely a very important distinction Guy?
So the covid situation is spiralling out of control and Scumo's contribution today is to take a photo of the $100 fish he cooked and post it on social media. Fark me, this is a bloke with zero gravitas. He's nothing more than a do-nothing, intellectual nobody, unfit for high office.
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