2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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Supafreak Sunday, 26 Dec 2021 at 2:35pm

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Robwilliams Sunday, 26 Dec 2021 at 6:32pm

spot on blind boy, pathetic is an understatement. What have they achieved for the average australian? Not much at all. The cycle continues as does the bullshit.

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Westofthelake Sunday, 26 Dec 2021 at 9:09pm

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 8:57am

Great comment Blindboy
I have great fear for Australia's future if Morrison is given another term. PR and political persuasion aside, he is a nasty piece of work. If Labor win, they need a ICAC and or royal commission into some of the sneaky crap this bloke and his mates have been up to..

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 9:18am

Unless labor bring in a serious ICAC that takes out all corrupt politicians, Scumo's legacy will be the normalisation of corruption. Trying to parachute Gladys into Federal Parliament was a sick joke.
Sure Labor may lose a few MPs but a strong ICAC would take out dozens on the current LNP scum.
If the Libs win, god help us. Australia will have just given these bums a mandate to be as crooked as they want.

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 9:31am
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Unless labor bring in a serious ICAC that takes out all corrupt politicians, Scumo's legacy will be the normalisation of corruption. Trying to parachute Gladys into Federal Parliament was a sick joke.
Sure Labor may lose a few MPs but a strong ICAC would take out dozens on the current LNP scum.
If the Libs win, god help us. Australia will have just given these bums a mandate to be as crooked as they want.

Agree 100%.
Needs to be permanent body set up that investigates and monitors all political parties and lobbyists in a open transparent manner.

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GuySmiley Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 9:46am

In terms of common decency, honesty and morality have we ever seen a more corrupt and incompetent government?

The fact that people and the media are saying it’s still Morrison’s election to lose speaks volumes about what this country has become after 30 years of mostly neo-liberal thought.

Aspiration and the politics exclusion with a constant eye to the right’s fabricate external threat(s) has change us irrevocably.

We need more than a federal ICAC with teeth, we need a decade or more of the LNP in opposition with incremental change back to good centre left/right government but the possibility of that happening is impossible to imagine right now.

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Blowin Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 9:53am

“Aspiration and the politics exclusion with a constant eye to the right’s fabricate external threat(s) has change us irrevocably”

Disagree. I think Australians are still fair minded people and that’s why the duopoly majors have lost so much share of the vote despite the system basically ensuring that it’s impossible to avoid them. The rise of the independents says a lot.

It’s a very hard electoral system to navigate unless you’re well versed in exactly how to vote and even then the fucken Albos and the Scummos are going to get up.

I reckon the public, as far as they want to engage with politics, has had an absolute guts full of all of those clowns but there’s no real alternative.

I do agree that Australians have gotten much more YUPPIEFIED but it’s not a terminal case just yet. Give Australians a decent option and they’ll jump at it. The ALP is not a decent option and it’s a combination of factors - poor policy, poor ideology, poor leadership and poor parliamentarians. At the moment the only way Albo could get up is the Anti-Scummo vote. No one thinks Albanese is anything but a gender neutral wet towel.

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GuySmiley Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 10:09am

Australia’s constant drift to the right is best illustrated by the fact most liberal state and federal leaders of the 70s-90s would not be even preselected by the party today such were their (in today’s terms) left leaning polices and thought.

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 10:14am
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Australia’s constant drift to the right is best illustrated by the fact most liberal state and federal leaders of the 70s-90s would not be even preselected by the party today such were their (in today’s terms) left leaning polices and thought.

Also ex Liberal politians speaking out against right drift such as Fraser, Hewson and Turnbull...
How the National Party can have such influence is part of a broken system. Get approx 5% of national vote (half that of the Greens) and yet have major influence on policy. Barnaby deputy PM FFS .... Be funny if not serious....

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Blowin Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 10:16am
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Australia’s constant drift to the right is best illustrated by the fact most liberal state and federal leaders of the 70s-90s would not be even preselected by the party such were their (in today’s terms) left leaning polices and thought.

I think the political class across the majors has drifted to the right but not so much the people themselves. The population knows that the mass immigration Ponzi scheme is a direct attack on Australians but they have no mainstream political recourse short of the mob storming Parliament House and ripping the ALP / LNP traitors out by the hair.

I don’t believe that if the neoliberalism that the duopoly majors stand for was explained to the electorate that a referendum would permit its continuance. The ALP / LNP exist due to their ability to deceive the public about their intent.

Australians aren’t stupid but I think that a significant portion of the community understands how the system is rigged against them by both sides of the parliament.

Australians aren’t right wing or left wing. They’re centrist, society minded and humane whilst being respectful of individual reward and motivation. That’s my honest belief.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 11:40am

The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear.

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Roadkill Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:09pm
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The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear.

The Unions have fucked Labor….most people have zero respect for Australian unions and their interference in politics.

Labor supporters are pissing into the wind if they think a change of Govt is coming.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:15pm

With respect Roadkill. The CFMEEU have fucked Labor. The standard union member is a nurse, teacher, paramedic etc. The LNP have successfully portrayed the standard union member as a heavily tattooed biker on $200K a year doing fuck all on a building site.

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Roadkill Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:26pm
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With respect Roadkill. The CFMEEU have fucked Labor. The standard union member is a nurse, teacher, paramedic etc. The LNP have successfully portrayed the standard union member as a heavily tattooed biker on $200K a year doing fuck all on a building site.

Then Labor needs to prove otherwise. No use crying the LNP has portrayed the Union as thugs, if they do a better job painting the union as thugs so be it. Obviously the Labor marketing dept is not doing a good enough job.

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sypkan Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:35pm

"The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear."

the people haven't drifted to the right at all... they've been herded to the right economically by neoliberalism and a bit of aspiration... but labor is as much, if not mostly to blame for that...

as to the rest of your post, pure party man in the bubble bullshit...

it's morons like you and your warped perspective that pushes voters away from labor more than any hanson dog whistle. calling everyone racist... constantly blabbering about so called 'white supremacy'.... and a heap of your other perpetually triggered causes that haven't allowed - and still resist - any sensible conversations about immigration, population, and culture are what repel people from labor, the greens and a heap of sensible ideas

but you just keep on blaming hanson... it's an easy target that allows 'the left' to avoid any self reflection...

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:34pm
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The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear.

The Unions have fucked Labor….most people have zero respect for Australian unions and their interference in politics.

Labor supporters are pissing into the wind if they think a change of Govt is coming.

Agree, some unions such as the Mineral Council of Australia, BCA, and especially the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) are trying their best to fuck over normal Australians. They all get their helping hand from that great ex Australian, Rupert.
The union I belong to just ensures I have a reasonably good wage and representation at work.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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GuySmiley Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:46pm

Well said Andy-mac

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blindboy Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 12:59pm

"Agree, some unions such as the Mineral Council of Australia, BCA, and especially the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) ...."

The IPA is a union ha ha ha! Another eggspurt opinion!

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AndyM Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 1:11pm

"Australians aren’t right wing or left wing. They’re centrist..."

All evidence points to a hollowing out of the centre.
ANU did some research showing the greatest shift from the centre ended up on the "Left", although I think this was more people identifying as "socially progressive" Left rather than anything else, though I'll have to dig into it.
The material Left are still nowhere to be seen, as class warfare goes on unchallenged.

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Cockee Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 1:11pm

Sad that at this time of the year you clowns can't give politics a rest. Circle jerking twats the lot of yas. PS Try to start 2020 with at least half an ounce of optimism

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AndyM Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 1:18pm

Optimism based on what?
You'd be a bit of a simpleton to be optimistic based on the past 20 years or so.

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zenagain Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 1:18pm

And a time-machine would be helpful.

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blindboy Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 1:18pm

...or you could just fuck off and mind your own business?

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blindboy Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 3:18pm

Unethical Advantages

Democracy depends on the integrity of its elected representatives. As integrity declines so does the standard of governance. As has been demonstrated innumerable times, governments that are determined to hold onto power by unethical means are likely to succeed, provided they lower their standards far enough. If cheating doesn’t work, violence might. The path from democracy to autocracy is well worn.

We have seen how close the US came to starting down that path. Had Mike Pence or Mitch McConnell been persuaded to do Trump’s will on January 6 2021, then the consequences, however they played out, would have been a massive erosion of fundamental democratic processes. Fears are already widespread in the US about the way Republican states are redrawing boundaries to favour their candidates, moving to restrict the right to vote and making the act of voting more difficult by limiting booths in areas that have traditionally voted Democrat. The future risks to democracy are clear.

In Australia we have a government which has reduced ethical standards to an unprecedented low. Apart from the appalling behaviour of numerous cabinet ministers, the Prime Minister himself lies repeatedly and unashamedly. He instructed his office to lie about his whereabouts during the bushfire crisis, he lied about electric vehicles during the last election campaign, he lied by stating that the government had not supported Clive Palmer’s court case on border closures and then, of course, he famously lied about lying, by insisting that he had never told a lie in public life.

Even more concerning is the culture of pork barrelling including the sports rorts and car park rorts cases. In the first $100 million dollars of public money was allocated on the basis of political convenience rather than merit. 73% of approved projects were not recommended by Sport Australia. In the second, involving $660 million, two-thirds of the money went to Melbourne electorates critical to the government’s re-election chances. Beyond that other programs such as the Safer Communities program, the Building Better Regions Fund and the Community Grants program, delivered billions of dollars, overwhelmingly to government or marginal seats. Pork barrelling on this scale is simply bribery and further encourages voters to consider only their self-interest when voting.

More evidence for the decline in standards comes from the government’s failure to act in the public interest on a wide array of issues. Climate change has not been taken seriously. Mismanagement of quarantine and the vaccination rollout resulted in thousands of preventable deaths. A federal corruption commission has still not been established and the government’s proposal would be limited to investigating serious criminal conduct and would not hold public hearings. Rape allegations by Liberal Party staffer Brittany Higgins were covered up and ignored by senior party officials until she went public.

In Australia we are fortunate that, while standards have dramatically declined, we are nowhere near reaching the depths of the US or even the UK under Boris Johnson. There is also an election in sight which could serve as a circuit breaker in the anti-democratic trend. It is to be hoped that it is taken. As climate change intensifies and the risk of further Covid variants remains significant, the times ahead may be no more stable than the immediate past. The record of the last decade demonstrates that we need better governance and Scott Morrison is incapable of providing it.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 3:30pm

"In Australia we are fortunate that, while standards have dramatically declined, we are nowhere near reaching the depths of the US or even the UK under Boris Johnson. "
Australia should look to Canada and NZ where bent politicians are simply not tolerated. Indiscretions that would be ignored in Australia results in politicians getting sacked in NZ and Canada.
If we had the same standards as those two countries the Abbott government would not have lasted 6 months and things have got so much more crooked since then.
Scumo is by far the most crooked PM the country has ever seen. He tolerates all manner of corrupt shitfuckery by his team while systematically undermining our institutions that keep politicians accountable. God help us if we give these flogs another three years. They will have a mandate to enrich themselves and hamstring those who investigate corruption.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 4:20pm
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Sad that at this time of the year you clowns can't give politics a rest. Circle jerking twats the lot of yas. PS Try to start 2020 with at least half an ounce of optimism

It's the same shit different day from the same whinge fest brigade, whinge whinge whinge, Murdoch Howard, Abbot, Scomo, capitalism, I'm a loser my life sucks and it's the governments fault, i want everything on a plate, me, me me.

If people havent been able to achieve what they wanted to in the last 20+ years, it's completely their own fault, nobody else's, myself and 90% of my friends have gone from dole bludging pot smoking piss head surfer bums to business owners or decent paid jobs, all have houses some of us multiple, and achieved many other dreams like traveling, lived OS, familys etc, we achieved it because we were smart and focused and worked hard when needed and because the government provided the economical environment its achievable in.

The most important thing to most people from a government is the economy and jobs and the economy and job opportunities have been very good for almost 30 years.

Technically we ended 28+ years without a recession, and the recession we just had, how long did it last a few weeks or months max.

Over the last 20 years theres been all kinds of shit happening around the world and every time we have faired really well, the boat arrival mess fixed, financial crisis avoided, terrorist attacks happened in many western countries but no true attack here but many prevented, now Covid which from an economical and health perspective Australia has faired better than 90% of the world.

I will take it all anytime, 100 times better than the recession of the early 90s, super high unemployment rates, crazy high interest rates.

Fuck even flights to Indo are cheaper than they were twenty years ago.

Anyway im positive about 2022 and the future id prefer no change of government, but even if it happens realty is Australia will still be pretty good and still one of the best places to live on the planet.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 4:44pm

ID.
My main concern with this shitty government is their corruption. Their bent ways piss away taxpayer dollars, increase prices for consumers, enrich absolute dogs, ensures tax dollars aren't collected, means tax dollars aren't spent on health, education, transportation, and scares off clean and enervative businesses.
This doesn't just impact me, it impacts everyone.
I think you'll find most people who hate this shitful government despise what they are doing to Australian society, not what they do to individual bank balances. They aren't looking for someone to blame for their lot in life, but they do know who to blame for all the problems Scumo and his bunch of corrupt dogs are creating.

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:05pm

I'm very happy where I am in life, both economically and socially...
Bit of luck, timing and maybe smart/hard work...
However I cannot stand the hypocrisy of this govt and their blatant corruption which I believe is starting to damage the basic foundation of our democracy. You may say Labor would be no better, well I don't think they could get away with half the shitfuckery that LNP do due to media support, or non reporting.
Being Australian you really have won lottery in life but that does not mean ya can just kick back and think I'm doing ok, bad luck if ya not.
My main point is that a proper ICAC us needed to stop just some of the stuff that is going on which is pure corruption. Do not care which party it is involving....
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/the-case-for-a-federal-icac/

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zenagain Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:30pm

Totally Andy- a federal ICAC with the powers similar to a Royal Comission and real penalties, including the seizure of assets including trusts and assets held by spouses and family members, property and cash. I'd also add the forfeiture of government superannuation and pensions and jail if applicable.

Of course there are different levels of corruption and thresholds would have to be established but you have to start somewhere.

I'd have to say that would probably put a fair few pollies of any stripes out of a job tomorrow but would that necessarily be a bad thing?

Edit- just had a bit of a browse through your link Andy. Shameful and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg.

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Cockee Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:29pm

Sorry BB didn't realise this was your own personal thread. For an old man you are one bitter SOB.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:30pm

"and jail if applicable."
Jail is very fucking applicable for corrupt politicians. If some executive assistant gets caught nicking millions from the company, he or she gets jail time. Why should politicians and their mates get away with stealing similar amounts from the taxpayers?
There's also the deterrence factor. Start relocating politicians from fancy suburbs to jail cells, and you'll see people think twice about dodgy government deals.
jail for stinking rich white collar criminals is a real deterrent. Not so much for drug addled thugs with fuck all to lose.

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Cockee Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:31pm

What are you clowns smoking? VL you really should get off that shit.

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zenagain Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:33pm

But Vic, if integrity is a pre-requisite, how will they attract new people to become the politicians of the future?

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:39pm
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Totally Andy- a federal ICAC with the powers similar to a Royal Comission and real penalties, including the seizure of assets including trusts and assets held by spouses and family members, property and cash. I'd also add the forfeiture of government superannuation and pensions and jail if applicable.

Of course there are different levels of corruption and thresholds would have to be established but you have to start somewhere.

I'd have to say that would probably put a fair few pollies of any stripes out of a job tomorrow but would that necessarily be a bad thing?

Edit- just had a bit of a browse through your link Andy. Shameful and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg.

Agree re jail time if breaking the law.
Michael West has been covering it for a while, corruption should not be a left or right issue, but right or wrong issue.
And parliamentarians as representatives of Australians should be held to higher standards of accountability, not less than your average citizen....

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zenagain Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:42pm

Couldn't have said it better Andy.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:49pm
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But Vic, if integrity is a pre-requisite, how will they attract new people to become the politicians of the future?

Zen, Not all pollies are corrupt and most start out with ideals of public service.
What we've seen under Scumo is the protection of corrupt politicians and public servants. They even covered up an alleged rape in parliament because doing the right thing would have been politically damaging.
Scumo has "earned" his loyalty by offering unwavering support for corrupt and incompetent colleagues. Turnbull tried to bring in standards and was rolled.
Three things are needed to prevent Australia becoming even more corrupt. First the LNP need to lose the next election. Labor then need to introduce campaign finance reforms and an ICAC with teeth and retrospective investigation powers.
If the LNP win the next election, we get a UK / USA style shitshow.

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GuySmiley Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:50pm

Corruption / misuse of taxpayers money .... there should be no difference in standards and consequences between the corporate world and government.

If Morrison’s govt had to answer to the ACCC for example more than half of his ministers would be before the courts and/or in jail.

Fact.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:56pm

"If Morrison’s govt had to answer to the ACCC..."
Might be a good time to note that Scumo has just made a Murdoch ally head of the ACCC. Just another example of that dog stacking organisations designed to protect the public with his mates.
I hope the prick gets court up in some scandal that ends his career.

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sypkan Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 6:02pm
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Totally Andy- a federal ICAC with the powers similar to a Royal Comission and real penalties, including the seizure of assets including trusts and assets held by spouses and family members, property and cash. I'd also add the forfeiture of government superannuation and pensions and jail if applicable.

Of course there are different levels of corruption and thresholds would have to be established but you have to start somewhere.

I'd have to say that would probably put a fair few pollies of any stripes out of a job tomorrow but would that necessarily be a bad thing?

Edit- just had a bit of a browse through your link Andy. Shameful and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg.

yep

and, totally totally andymac!

but I do think you need to look at the long long road that lead to this place....

the long long road that corrupted a whole political class rather than just one party

which in turn has made labor totally toothless in opposition, and made them totally reluctant (and resistant!!) to an ICAC up until relatively recently....

labor clearly think there is now enough water under bridge, or morrison's government is so corrupt they now must act, but personally i think a heap of cats from both sides need to go down, and hopefully to jail, to sort out a problem that became so systemic scotty now just thinks it's normal...

imagine what a deep clean that goes back a decade or two would do to parliment...

not least it would open up so many spaces that some non partisans and non career cats could possibly fill a third of seats....

australia would be a different place

and what an improvement it would be!!

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indo-dreaming Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 5:59pm

In regard to miss use of tax payers money, i dont think anyone will ever better Dan Andrews paying 1.1 billion to not have the much needed east-west link project to go ahead.

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sypkan Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 6:08pm
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In regard to miss use of tax payers money, i dont think anyone will ever better Dan Andrews paying 1.1 billion to not have the much needed east-west link project to go ahead.

....or millions and millions to inquire into who's responsonsible for reprehensible decisions that killed and had ramifications for the whole nation...

only to find... we don't know who's responsible...

just plain fucking insulting at the highest levels of possible

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 6:21pm
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In regard to miss use of tax payers money, i dont think anyone will ever better Dan Andrews paying 1.1 billion to not have the much needed east-west link project to go ahead.

Oh come on ID, not that old rubbish again. It was the LNP who signed a side note in the EWL contract gifting the company the cash when Andrews kept his election promise. You don't get to point the finger at Labor for your side's shitfuckery.

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GuySmiley Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 6:48pm

more splatter from info’s flue,

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indo-dreaming Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 7:17pm

Excuses excuses, end of the day you cant make this shit up 1.1 Billion was paid for a much needed road project to not go ahead that's fact.

As is the enquiry that somehow couldn't find who made a very important decision that lead to Australia's worse Covid waves of deaths.

How on earth does this kind of shit happen?

If you want to talk about misspending and corruption and politicians that should be in jail Dan Andrews is right at the top of the list.

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andy-mac Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 7:13pm
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Totally Andy- a federal ICAC with the powers similar to a Royal Comission and real penalties, including the seizure of assets including trusts and assets held by spouses and family members, property and cash. I'd also add the forfeiture of government superannuation and pensions and jail if applicable.

Of course there are different levels of corruption and thresholds would have to be established but you have to start somewhere.

I'd have to say that would probably put a fair few pollies of any stripes out of a job tomorrow but would that necessarily be a bad thing?

Edit- just had a bit of a browse through your link Andy. Shameful and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg.

yep

and, totally totally andymac!

but I do think you need to look at the long long road that lead to this place....

the long long road that corrupted a whole political class rather than just one party

which in turn has made labor totally toothless in opposition, and made them totally reluctant (and resistant!!) to an ICAC up until relatively recently....

labor clearly think there is now enough water under bridge, or morrison's government is so corrupt they now must act, but personally i think a heap of cats from both sides need to go down, and hopefully to jail, to sort out a problem that became so systemic scotty now just thinks it's normal...

imagine what a deep clean that goes back a decade or two would do to parliment...

not least it would open up so many spaces that some non partisans and non career cats could possibly fill a third of seats....

australia would be a different place

and what an improvement it would be!!

Yep a federal ICAC with retrospective powers could only be a good thing for Oz. No doubt there would be some going down on both sides of politics, and probably a few minor parties also... Still having a independent body keeping an eye so to speak on the political class could only be a good thing.....

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 8:50pm
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If you want to talk about misspending and corruption and politicians that should be in jail Dan Andrews is right at the top of the list.

Absolute garbage. It was the LNP who signed the side letter giving the building consortium $1.1 bil if the east west link was abandoned. This was never in the interest of the Victorian public and it wasn't disclosed. It was your mob who gifted their mates $1.1 bil at the expense of the Vic taxpayers. There's a reason why the Vic LNP haven't been in power since. They are incompetent, corrupt, and a just fucking useless.

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Vic Local Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 8:56pm

"and probably a few minor parties also."
Andy-mac, those minor parties would only be UAP and One Nation. The Greens have been squeaky clean for 20 + years, and the micro parties aren't in a position to call too many shots.
TBH Andy-mac, it's the conservative side of politics in Aus, UK, and the USA that have taken corruption to the next level. The ALP branch stacking is very low level crap compared to the shit Taylor, Robert, Fletcher, and Porter get up to.

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GuySmiley Monday, 27 Dec 2021 at 9:17pm
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If you want to talk about misspending and corruption and politicians that should be in jail Dan Andrews is right at the top of the list.

Absolute garbage. It was the LNP who signed the side letter giving the building consortium $1.1 bil if the east west link was abandoned. This was never in the interest of the Victorian public and it wasn't disclosed. It was your mob who gifted their mates $1.1 bil at the expense of the Vic taxpayers. There's a reason why the Vic LNP haven't been in power since. They are incompetent, corrupt, and a just fucking useless.

One month out from an election and only days before the “caretaker period” started.

One month out from an election where polls suggested a massive landslide against the govt (proved correct).

One month out from an election where the stated policy of then the ALP opposition was to not build the freeway.

One month out from an election where polls told the then LNP govt overwhelmingly the Vic public did not want the freeway.

One month out from an election where infrastructure Australia rated the freeway poorly and not worth the money from a cost/benefit basis.

No no the grubbily corrupt LNP went ahead and deliberately signed the contract and secret side contract as very expensive landmines for the incoming Labor govt.

But our resident pea-brained knucklehead thinks that all means the ALP are corrupt. “You couldn’t make shit up”.