2022 Election
@VL
It's called war, the aim is to kill and defeat the other side, i get why there is so called rules of war, but it is also silly at the same time and kind of a contradiction, most enemies the west fights against or one day might come up against wouldn't care for rules of war anyway.
Its why they say "all's fair in love and war"
I do respect military though like Israel that do things like give warning before a missile attack on a building rather than Palestine who just shoot missiles aimlessly into civilian areas.
The irony of Assange hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy (a country with a storied history of corruption and human rights abuses) appears lost on the likes of Vic, andy and sog.
I’m going to give you the benefit of me thinking that no one could be that much of a dickhead Indo and see it for what your comments probably (I hope) are, a bit of Sunday recreational trolling.
soggydog wrote:I’m going to give you the benefit of me thinking that no one could be that much of a dickhead Indo and see it for what your comments probably (I hope) are, a bit of Sunday recreational trolling.
Say's the guy who thinks it's okay to hack into secret government files and release them to the world, you probably think he deserves an award too or something stupid.
You far lefties really do my head in, it's like you live in this alternative universe without logic, reason and common sense.
Oh and double standards always double standards.
“... it's like you live in this alternative universe without logic, reason and common sense”.
@info is having a day out proving yet again he lacks all sense of self reflection, irony or nuance.
The pea-brained far right brain farting recalcitrant that attempts on a daily basis to out stoooopid himself.
Today’s contributions (????) further insults the intelligence.
So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.
Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Doubt that VL would agree GS as VL would be first cab off the swellnet rank.
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:I’m going to give you the benefit of me thinking that no one could be that much of a dickhead Indo and see it for what your comments probably (I hope) are, a bit of Sunday recreational trolling.
Say's the guy who thinks it's okay to hack into secret government files and release them to the world, you probably think he deserves an award too or something stupid.
You far lefties really do my head in, it's like you live in this alternative universe without logic, reason and common sense.
Oh and double standards always double standards.
Listen to the Episode I referenced above Indo and then we’ll talk, I do not have double standards.
It’s about the protection of the press when exposing the truth. The Assange fiasco is nothing more than the US flexing their muscles because somebody said something they didn’t like and exposed them to be killing innocent people. Like VL said. It’s a message.
Nah fuck it Indo, I’m in a good mood and I’m just about to head out for a second surf.
You’ve been provided numerous reasons and avenues of investigation to support the argument that what myself and VL are saying yet you still stick to your fascist bully boy mentality. Would you pull the trigger yourself Indo or just happy to sit at home and wave the flag?
No double standard either. But strong humanitarian standards, yes.
“The Assange fiasco is nothing more than the US flexing their muscles because somebody said something they didn’t like and exposed them to be killing innocent people....”
It’s also about Assange being a citizen of a subservient arse licking country to the US that hasn’t got the balls to say to the yanks fuck off he’s ours and he has rights.
Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.
That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
You really are a flaming nong Indo.
GuySmiley wrote:Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Id much rather Swellnet get rid of fucking trolls like you that add zero to the conversation, but just snipe in with the same lame one liners again and again.
indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
It depends on who's at war, it can often be both sides that don't care about the rules of war, and there is also 100 shades of grey, its impossible even for a country like the USA do not take out civilians in air strikes etc no matter how much they try not too especially when the other side is actually using civilians as a shield.
A great example of this is Hamas that use civilians to shield themselves, Israel does their best to not take out civilians and even gives them time to get people off site, but it's still likely there is casualties.
indo-dreaming wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Id much rather Swellnet get rid of fucking trolls like you that add zero to the conversation, but just snipe in with the same lame one liners again and again.
You truly are delusional if you think you “add” to a conversation you pillock, today’s “contribution” a case in point.
indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
It depends on who's at war, it can often be both sides that don't care about the rules of war, and there is also 100 shades of grey, its impossible even for a country like the USA do not take out civilians in air strikes etc no matter how much they try not too especially when the other side is actually using civilians as a shield.
A great example of this is Hamas that use civilians to shield themselves, Israel does their best to not take out civilians and even gives them time to get people off site, but it's still likely there is casualties.
That's hilarious ID. This conversation started with your anti-Assange post, and now you're saying the USA and Israel really try hard to avoid civilian casualties. What a fucking joke. Assange created a platform that allowed a whistle blower to show that the USA didn't try to avoid civilian casualties at all.
You've just got the shits with Assange because he exposed your "good guys at war" theory to be complete and utter crap.
And yes, some Australian troops also committed murder in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you want the journos who exposed those crimes locked up as well?
You really haven't thought this through have you champ.
GuySmiley wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Id much rather Swellnet get rid of fucking trolls like you that add zero to the conversation, but just snipe in with the same lame one liners again and again.
You truly are delusional if you think you “add” to a conversation you pillock, today’s “contribution” a case in point.
It's pretty clear that you are extremely narrow minded and believe the only views that should be voiced are the ones you believe in, which is basically whatever was printed in the Guardian yesterday.
Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
It depends on who's at war, it can often be both sides that don't care about the rules of war, and there is also 100 shades of grey, its impossible even for a country like the USA do not take out civilians in air strikes etc no matter how much they try not too especially when the other side is actually using civilians as a shield.
A great example of this is Hamas that use civilians to shield themselves, Israel does their best to not take out civilians and even gives them time to get people off site, but it's still likely there is casualties.
That's hilarious ID. This conversation started with your anti-Assange post, and now you're saying the USA and Israel really try hard to avoid civilian casualties. What a fucking joke. Assange created a platform that allowed a whistle blower to show that the USA didn't try to avoid civilian casualties at all.
You've just got the shits with Assange because he exposed your "good guys at war" theory to be complete and utter crap.
And yes, some Australian troops also committed murder in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you want the journos who exposed those crimes locked up as well?
You really haven't thought this through have you champ.
There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else.
I dont have the shits with Assange, i just think he deserve's everything that he gets and hope to see him face courts in the USA, because he is a criminal that has broken some very serious laws, and i honestly cant understand how others can think otherwise.
BTW. Just for the record for anyone reading thinking my views on Assange are typical of conservatives, they aren't really, i think it's a moderate conservative view, but more right wing conservative views are in favour of Assange, even in a recent interview with Candace with Trump she was drilling him on why he didn't pardon him, from memory he didnt give a real straight answer, more just there is a lot you dont know type of thing and basically that there is two sides to it and that you cant just go hacking into government files and exposing them to the world putting people in danger etc and expect to get off Scott free.
GuySmiley wrote:It’s also about Assange being a citizen of a subservient arse licking country to the US that hasn’t got the balls to say to the yanks fuck off he’s ours and he has rights.
Spot on.
"There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else."
Oh my ID, you really are clueless about how these things work.
The reason why you hear about the rogue soldiers isn't because the military are keen to prosecute their own. You hear about the rogue soldiers who murder innocent civilians because of people like Assange, brave whistleblowers and the media. did you see how long the SAS shitshow went on before we actually found out about the civilian murders?
What's painfully fucking obvious to everyone except people like you is our military does have rogue soldiers, our normal soldiers can't or won't blow the whistle on them, and our really brave soldiers go through the media and Wikileaks to expose war crimes. They often pay a very high price for exposing the uncomfortable truth. You'd like to lock them up, I reckon they deserve a medal and they play an important role in keeping our soldiers accountable.
I still reckon the main reason why you hate Assange soooooooo much is because he made you look at really uncomfortable things that completely clashed with your world view.
https://m.
&t=1sWhen it becomes a crime to report a crime, you know you are being governed by criminals....
Vic Local wrote:"There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else."
Oh my ID, you really are clueless about how these things work.
The reason why you hear about the rogue soldiers isn't because the military are keen to prosecute their own. You hear about the rogue soldiers who murder innocent civilians because of people like Assange, brave whistleblowers and the media. did you see how long the SAS shitshow went on before we actually found out about the civilian murders?
What's painfully fucking obvious to everyone except people like you is our military does have rogue soldiers, our normal soldiers can't or won't blow the whistle on them, and our really brave soldiers go through the media and Wikileaks to expose war crimes. They often pay a very high price for exposing the uncomfortable truth. You'd like to lock them up, I reckon they deserve a medal and they play an important role in keeping our soldiers accountable.
I still reckon the main reason why you hate Assange soooooooo much is because he made you look at really uncomfortable things that completely clashed with your world view.
I dont hate Assange i just think he is a fool that played stupid games and just hasn't got all the stupid prizes yet cause a lot of then are waiting in the USA for him.
BTW. my old man went to Vietnam and has Vietnam Veterans mates with kids in the military etc, im going to take the shit ive heard from him snd his mates over the shit you spin on the topic, especially seeing it's been shown time and time again that you think you are an expert on pretty much everything but generally clueless on everything.
indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:"There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else."
Oh my ID, you really are clueless about how these things work.
The reason why you hear about the rogue soldiers isn't because the military are keen to prosecute their own. You hear about the rogue soldiers who murder innocent civilians because of people like Assange, brave whistleblowers and the media. did you see how long the SAS shitshow went on before we actually found out about the civilian murders?
What's painfully fucking obvious to everyone except people like you is our military does have rogue soldiers, our normal soldiers can't or won't blow the whistle on them, and our really brave soldiers go through the media and Wikileaks to expose war crimes. They often pay a very high price for exposing the uncomfortable truth. You'd like to lock them up, I reckon they deserve a medal and they play an important role in keeping our soldiers accountable.
I still reckon the main reason why you hate Assange soooooooo much is because he made you look at really uncomfortable things that completely clashed with your world view.I dont hate Assange i just think he is a fool that played stupid games and just hasn't got all the stupid prizes yet cause a lot of then are waiting in the USA for him.
BTW. my old man went to Vietnam and has Vietnam Veterans mates with kids in the military etc, im going to take the shit ive heard from him snd his mates over the shit you spin on the topic, especially seeing it's been shown time and time again that you think you are an expert on pretty much everything but generally clueless on everything.
Vietnam eh? Now there's a war where there wasn't one single war crime. All that long box dropping of napalm didn't hurt a single civilians. Oh and free fire zones were the same. Now I know that last sarcastic sentence is going to shit you big time. It doesn't mean it's wrong though.
And once again, we only know this because of whistleblowers exposing war crimes on a massive scale.
BTW I've got a lot of sympathy for our troops in that war especially those who were conscripted. They were sold a lie and a one way ticket to that shitshow.
Scomo's finest hour...(Friday 9:00 / 21st Jan 2022 Davos World Economic Forum)
tbb will tee up this Vid for PM' followers...can our PM win over the crew with his best speech!
PM is not seen as world wise, more world villain...our weakest link...(Does it need a Warning!)
Tell us tbb...Who are we going to War with next Week?
Don't be silly...gulp!
Speech is a bit blustery but solid enough...Q&A looks set up, but Daggy Dad holds his own.
Labor will study this Vid...mostly because they know, that the PM can be sharp & is no push over.
Excellent notes & bullet points make for a very formidable tuff to beat Election Speech.
Sure! He stumbles a bit...but it's all very natural & these stutters actually iron out his Bully persona.
You kinda know that he's a Bully but he's OK kept on a leash...out on the Patio! Yours! Not mine! Ok then!
Again! This vid shows PM at his best...he is Australia's PM so that reflects well on us...Maybe! A joke!
tbb will stop short of a salute but thinks we should share his Vid with the crew that might like this!
Anyhow! Introducing our PM that didn't embarrass us on the World stage...(Impossible, you say!)
Just saying, if this was PM's pitch to Voters...he's not outta the race & will present large on the day!
https://www.weforum.org/events/the-davos-agenda-2022/sessions/special-ad...
ol' clive going hard on the anti lnp sentiment...
reckons he's poached a bunch of greenies too
geez I might just give him a generous number myself...
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=480828693399288&id=100044164...
I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
Roystein wrote:I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
Has he paid what he owes to his mine workers yet?
Roystein wrote:I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
What Clive, Hanson, Kelly, the DLP, and other nutter micro parties are fighting for is the idiot vote. The 5-7% of the population that are racist, anti-vax, anti-govt or just plain stupid. You know the people who vote for the UAP because they saw a billboard and like the colour yellow.
In the lower house, this vote will be funnelled through preferences to the LNP. The moron vote is too stupid to understand the voting system so they get played. These idiots suck up all the anti-govt rhetoric, and then end up voting to the actual people in power.
In the Senate the alt-right scum are fighting it out for the 6th spot in the states. They will all preference each other hoping to get enough for a quota. This is highly unlikely to happen in Tas, Vic, SA. 50:50 in WA and NSW and close to 100% in QLD. Those folk north of the Tweed usually send at least one absolute fruitcake to Canberra.
If it's Clive, and he doesn't have the BOP, that fat bastard will sit there at tax payer's expense, impotent for a while before punting his chair-warming job onto some other LNP stooge.
"What Clive, Hanson, Kelly, the DLP, and other nutter micro parties are fighting for is the idiot vote. The 5-7% of the population that are racist, anti-vax, anti-govt or just plain stupid..."
i think you might need to update your broken record narrative numbers there champ...
big clive just told me he has 80 000 members... 'biggest party in australia' ... 'bigger than labor and liberal'...
by members...
i reckon hanson and clive are fighting over way way more than any ridiculous propagandaist figure of 5%...
but you keep telling yourself that champ... positive affirmations are important... until they're not....
oh yeh, he also said he's got thousands of former greens voters as members... bloody racists!
can't wait for this election... shaping up to be a doozy... in so many ways...
"big clive just told me he has 80 000 members... 'biggest party in australia' ... 'bigger than labor and liberal'...
by members..."
Absolutely hilarious sypkan. And you believe Clive?
There's no checks or balances in his sign up form mate. It's free too. I signed up as Clive Isafatbastard and also as Juan Ina Milyon.
Anyone who believes Clive palmer's crap has absolute shit for brains.
As I read elsewhere, perhaps the best way to set Australia’s wayward democracy back on course isn’t to hope that millions of Australians vote independent, so that the duopoly major parties get relegated to the dustbin.
Maybe our best tactic is to reclaim the ALP from the ground up with a grassroots members drive and oust the current clowns that way. Apparently it’d only take about 50,000 people to be able to completely reclaim the party from the unrepresentative careerist shit bags who have usurped the political voice of the working class for their own selfish interests.
Imagine an ALP which cans the Big Australia mass immigration Ponzi scheme and kicked the neoliberal privatisation model for good.
BTW sypkan, I'm pretty sure Biccus Dickus and Incontinentia Buttocks are members of the UAP too.
I believe you like 'the saturday paper' as a source...
"Palmer’s UAP now largest party by membership"
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/10/16/palmers-uap...
how do you do it?
so so consistently wrong, ...all the time....
is it art?
a pisstake?
blind faith ideology?
the drive to push propaganda so strong you just don't care?
you're dumb?
...thick as two short planks genuinely struggling?
serious questions... it intrigues me...
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/clive-palmers...
No mate, it's being in touch with reality.
Palmer the least like politician in Australia with only 8% favourable view.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/palmer-hanson-joyce-lead-the-lis...
I wouldn't take too much notice of polls like least liked, it just means people either love or hate them, while many other politicians are so vanilla nobody cares less about them either way.
Also a lot of people could just end up voting for someone like Clives party, just because they dont want to vote Labor, LNP or Greens and just want to stick it to the man type thing and whatever party they know is anti majors they will vote for.
It's an interesting read to read FB comments on United party post, they aren't the type of people you might expect they are, just everyday Aussies that most likely dont have any real right or left leanings and would never have voted for Clive before Covid.
Going to be interesting
dude, 80 000 members or not?
australia's largest party or not? (by members)
moving goalposts doesn't change reality...
Vic Local wrote:Roystein wrote:I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
What Clive, Hanson, Kelly, the DLP, and other nutter micro parties are fighting for is the idiot vote. The 5-7% of the population that are racist, anti-vax, anti-govt or just plain stupid. You know the people who vote for the UAP because they saw a billboard and like the colour yellow.
In the lower house, this vote will be funnelled through preferences to the LNP. The moron vote is too stupid to understand the voting system so they get played. These idiots suck up all the anti-govt rhetoric, and then end up voting to the actual people in power.
In the Senate the alt-right scum are fighting it out for the 6th spot in the states. They will all preference each other hoping to get enough for a quota. This is highly unlikely to happen in Tas, Vic, SA. 50:50 in WA and NSW and close to 100% in QLD. Those folk north of the Tweed usually send at least one absolute fruitcake to Canberra.
If it's Clive, and he doesn't have the BOP, that fat bastard will sit there at tax payer's expense, impotent for a while before punting his chair-warming job onto some other LNP stooge.
Was nothing more than a gut feeling predication. If I needed to quantify it then it’s based on:
* he is well resourced
* he is strategic
* general malaise with the two party system
* knowing of one example (two degrees separated from me) of a young successful business man with progressive thinking, leaving his successful company (as in the one he owns) to run for Palmer in the House of Reps, largely off the back of his disillusionment with the handling of the pandemic and general unease with overreaching governments. Many more like him increasingly in the key sectors impacted by the pandemic such as health, education and hospitality based on the general chat I am hearing around the place.
As if markymark hasn’t got enough on his plate. What happened to zoom for this type of thing ?
Premier McGowan and Attorney General Quigley have been ordered by Justice Michael Lee to travel to NSW to give evidence in a defamation trial against Clive Palmer in February.
— 10 News First Perth (@10NewsFirstPER) January 25, 2022
The mining giant is suing McGowan for describing him as “the enemy of the state”. pic.twitter.com/r4hj3YG89v
Ha ha this is Gold
Truly ironic.
And on other matters…
Watched Albos press club speech….need I say anymore….You guys can bag Morrison and team all you like and on some points I agree…but the team is pretty good and this is our countries management at stake and unfortunately I just can’t see any other players that are better at present. ….and like Forrest…that’s all I’m gonna say bout that.
Optimist wrote:Watched Albos press club speech….need I say anymore….You guys can bag Morrison and team all you like and on some points I agree…but the team is pretty good and this is our countries management at stake and unfortunately I just can’t see any other players that are better at present. ….and like Forrest…that’s all I’m gonna say bout that.
Is it the corruption or incompetence of the pretty good LNP team the better attributes you are referring to?
What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
McGowan’s letting all international “students” into WA. What a dog.
indo-dreaming wrote:What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
Or maybe we would have been vaccinated 6 months earlier and been prepared with available free RAT's for inevitable living with Covid.
Maybe grocery stores would not have had supply chain issues.
And maybe some companies that still made a profit did not get billions in tax payer dollars.
Maybe the university sector would have have adequate support.
Maybe a gas lead recovery of LNP donors would not be seen a best way to recovery, but a sustainable package.
Yep lucky we had the adults in charge...
What is debt now, up to $trillion? Debt and deficit disaster squawk squawk!!!
If it was not for the State governments (of both political parties) standing up to the do nothing Morrison govt we would have been farked.
Remember it was not a race and I'm off to the footy!!!
Geez the prick went for a Hawaiian holiday in middle of fire emergency.
Yep the quiet Australians have a bit to think about..
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
Or maybe we would have been vaccinated 6 months earlier and been prepared with available free RAT's for inevitable living with Covid.
Maybe grocery stores would not have had supply chain issues.
And maybe some companies that still made a profit did not get billions in tax payer dollars.
Maybe the university sector would have have adequate support.
Maybe a gas lead recovery of LNP donors would not be seen a best way to recovery, but a sustainable package.
Yep lucky we had the adults in charge...
What is debt now, up to $trillion? Debt and deficit disaster squawk squawk!!!
If it was not for the State governments (of both political parties) standing up to the do nothing Morrison govt we would have been farked.
Remember it was not a race and I'm off to the footy!!!
Geez the prick went for a Hawaiian holiday in middle of fire emergency.
Yep the quiet Australians have a bit to think about..
I get that you probably really do believe things would have been different or even better, but honestly i think you are kidding yourself and it's just as likely things could have been worst, reality is its a pandemic the whole system isn't designed to deal with a pandemic no country on earth is and all countries hit with Covid (99.9% of the world) have all kinds of issues some much worst than Australia and there isn't magical solutions to many of these problems.
In my own opinion probably the most important thing though has been the change of approach and mind set in the last few months and im not convince the change of mindset would have come so quickly under a Labor government.
I still think we need a change in midest on some aspects though and find a sensible middle ground, for instance i think this push to vaccinate children isn't right and is just fuelling an unrealistic fear in parents, if we look at things from a data and science perspective children are at such a tiny risk and vaccines are not preventing transmission, the money and focus would be much better spent focussing on higher risk groups where there really is risk.
But hey nobody is perfect and no government is, even in Singapore it hasn't been all smooth sailing.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
Or maybe we would have been vaccinated 6 months earlier and been prepared with available free RAT's for inevitable living with Covid.
Maybe grocery stores would not have had supply chain issues.
And maybe some companies that still made a profit did not get billions in tax payer dollars.
Maybe the university sector would have have adequate support.
Maybe a gas lead recovery of LNP donors would not be seen a best way to recovery, but a sustainable package.
Yep lucky we had the adults in charge...
What is debt now, up to $trillion? Debt and deficit disaster squawk squawk!!!
If it was not for the State governments (of both political parties) standing up to the do nothing Morrison govt we would have been farked.
Remember it was not a race and I'm off to the footy!!!
Geez the prick went for a Hawaiian holiday in middle of fire emergency.
Yep the quiet Australians have a bit to think about..I get that you probably really do believe things would have been different or even better, but honestly i think you are kidding yourself and it's just as likely things could have been worst, reality is its a pandemic the whole system isn't designed to deal with a pandemic no country on earth is and all countries hit with Covid (99.9% of the world) have all kinds of issues some much worst than Australia and there isn't magical solutions to many of these problems.
In my own opinion probably the most important thing though has been the change of approach and mind set in the last few months and im not convince the change of mindset would have come so quickly under a Labor government.
I still think we need a change in midest on some aspects though and find a sensible middle ground, for instance i think this push to vaccinate children isn't right and is just fuelling an unrealistic fear in parents, if we look at things from a data and science perspective children are at such a tiny risk and vaccines are not preventing transmission, the money and focus would be much better spent focussing on higher risk groups where there really is risk.
But hey nobody is perfect and no government is, even in Singapore it hasn't been all smooth sailing.
I agree with your points re vaccination of kids and mind set changing. However I believe, (opinion) that a Labor govt would have handled organisation and logistics better. Eg. Job keeper etc were essentially Labor, Greg Comber and Union ideas that were implemented by govt and then aspects stuffed up such as profitable companies keeping tax payer $$.
It would not have been perfect, but I reckon better. Really the States ran the show while Morrison sat back and took credit for things that went well and blamed others when they didn't...
I think the mindset would have changed no matter who was in govt once vaccine roll out occurred...
Everyone I know from any political persuasion is over lock downs and Covid...
I won't comment on Covid thread but yep, I cannot agree with mandatory vaccination if it does not reduce spread.
Michael Adam wrote:McGowan’s letting all international “students” into WA. What a dog.
hahaha
so fucking typical!
people waiting years, literally, to visit family...
time to tear shit up
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