Mainstream Media Vs the culture of resuuuuurch.

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bluediamond started the topic in Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 4:39pm

Just browsing the online shitrag that is News.com today and came across this article on the Queen and how it was portrayed she was using Ivermectin, when according to the article she wasn't. Note the language used..particularly the use of the word 'dangerous'.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/channel-9-apolo...
Then i looked up an article about Ivermectin pre Covid and found this one...
https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthisglobal/-/custom-blog-portlet/ivermec...
Note the line: "Because of its excellent safety profile and broad spectrum of activity, ivermectin is catalogued by the World Health Organisation as an essential medicine and is regarded by many as a "magic bullet" for global health."
Alot of talk on these forums lately is about trusting the science, listening to the experts, most of which use the big media giants as their platforms to broadcast information. If you choose to question what is pumped out adnauseum to you these days you're labelled a tin foil hatter, a conspiracy theorist and accused of posting misinformation.
I just wonder what other peoples thoughts are on the media narrative as opposed to doing your own research. I once trusted the media alot more, however in this day and age, when we have soooo much information available at the touch of a keypad, some false, some verifiable, it's hard to trust the media when you can easily catch them out in blatant lies, or at the very least, misleading the public as shown above.
Anyway, that's my thoughts. Wondering on others. Just gonna read, not going to chirp in on this one.

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bluediamond Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 4:42pm

Aplogies...I meant to add this quote from the News.com article to accompany the link.
"Both the US Food and Drug Administration and Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration strongly warn against taking the “dangerous” drug to treat the virus, but it has been championed by those against Covid vaccines."

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seeds Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 4:58pm

And as one thread dies that was kick started by your casserole on the kitchen ceiling episode the other night the next Covid thread is born.

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bluediamond Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 4:58pm

Seeds it wasnt a dummy spit. It was calling you out. Pure and simple. Confrontarion has never bothered me.
Now feel free to actually contribute something other than personal attacjs. Thanks.

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thermalben Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 4:59pm

BD, one of the main issues I see is that there are no rules for how one "does their own research", for many people it's essentially made up as they go along. And, under the constant influence of confirmation bias, so the "research" tends to meander along pre-determined pathways (no matter the ideology).

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seeds Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 5:16pm
bluediamond wrote:

Seeds it wasnt a dummy spit. It was calling you out. Pure and simple. Confrontarion has never bothered me.
Now feel free to actually contribute something other than personal attacjs. Thanks.

For what? You created the issue yourself. You created a narrative that didn’t even exist.
And the only personal attack was from yourself. No ability to self reflect I see.

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bluediamond Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 5:20pm

Cheers Ben. I wonder if theres a correlation between people seeing blatant falsities in MSM hence they go too far the other way out of mistrust of anything media endorsed.
Seeds im very happy with what i said. Wouldn't take any of it back, and also have nothing i need to add.

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seeds Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 5:22pm

There in lies your problem

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Cheers Ben. I wonder if theres a correlation between people seeing blatant falsities in MSM hence they go too far the other way out of mistrust of anything media endorsed

Straight away, here's the bias.

You're suggesting that "falsities" only happen in "MSM", which then supposedly triggers a switch to the other side (i.e. a person become anti-MSM).

You're also implying that most people get their news from MSM.

What exactly is MSM?

The Oxford dictionary defines 'mainstream' as: "the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are shared by most people and regarded as normal or conventional."

My understanding of the current use of the term MSM is that it implies a news outlet with an agenda driven by commercial or governmental forces. That is, they'll say anything they're told to, as long as they're being paid.

As such, it seems to me that "MSM" is a convenient catchphrase, which serves a purpose to immediately shut down discussion via subtle denigration.

But (for one example out of a million) it's odd that Donald Trump could - as US President - say things like "The FAKE MSM is working so hard trying to get me not to use Social Media", yet he frequently used Fox News as a promotional outlet.

Is Fox News not mainstream?

How about Facebook, Twitter and YouTube? They are all businesses, underpinned by commercial realities. How are they not mainstream?

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frog Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 6:47pm

As this thread notes, the pandemic has shown very clearly to many how many politicians, experts and media organisations step smoothly and conscience free into propaganda mode often for what is judged the greater good.

Want very high vaccination rates?

Use excess fear stories and words, sweeping generalisations, sidesteps around awkward but valid research, cancelling, destroy the messenger etc. to herd the " sheep" into the pen.

This time, more than ever before, there has been lasting credibility damage done to experts and research.

I am pro vaccination but almost cringe when I hear the words "medical expert" and "epidemiologist" now. That is terrible outcome but an own goal.

If they simply had:
- shifted the vaccination goal lower to say 70 to 80%
- protected the vulnerable
- trusted the public a bit more
- looked clear eyed at the data showing covid was not by any means a deadly disease to most

they would never of had to go full fear, full lockdown and full mandate.

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overthefalls Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 6:40pm

Mainstream media is denigrated when it doesn’t align with one’s bias. It takes a very honest person to read anything with pure objectivity.

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stunet Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 6:51pm
bluediamond wrote:

Cheers Ben. I wonder if theres a correlation between people seeing blatant falsities in MSM hence they go too far the other way out of mistrust of anything media endorsed.

Just as a sidenote:

No single person has done more to malign mainstream news outlets than Noam Chomsky. He eviscerated them in Manufacturing Consent, and thirty years later his words still resonate. Yet crucially, Chomsky doesn't advocate tearing those outlets down, rather MC is an instruction manual on how to navigate the media landscape.

The news can still be gleaned from MSM, you just have to know how to parse the information. Read widely. Read critically.

Most importantly, if anyone thinks new media outlets are without bias, agenda, or free of the restrictions supposedly placed on MSM then their faith is so misplaced that further conversation is a waste of time. The MC lessons apply to ALL media.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 6:54pm

We say main stream media but really its all media, you cant trust any of them they all have bias and often intentionally misleading, and it's not always obvious as its often not outright lies, its often just one important aspect is missing from the story, and when that aspect is included or known the whole story looks different.

I think the best way to get a proper complete picture is to seek out a range of media views on a story even from sources that generally have opposing views to what you prefer.

The whole do your own research thing and Youtube etc gets a bad wrap and rightly so in many cases as there is a lot of BS out there but a 20 minute unedited streamed clip from a say a rally is going to give a much better picture of things than a 30 second news clip collage, or a 20 minute talk with an expert in a field on a topic is going to be much reliable than a 30 second news story or a one page news article.

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seeds Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 6:54pm
frog wrote:

As this thread notes, the pandemic has shown very clearly to many how many politicians, experts and media organisations step smoothly and conscience free into propaganda mode often for what is judged the greater good.

Want very high vaccination rates?

Use excess fear stories and words, sweeping generalisations, sidesteps around awkward but valid research, cancelling, destroy the messenger etc. to herd the " sheep" into the pen.

This time, more than ever before, there has been lasting credibility damage done to experts and research.

I am pro vaccination but almost cringe when I hear the words "medical expert" and "epidemiologist" now. That is terrible outcome but an own goal.

If they simply had:
- shifted the vaccination goal lower to say 70 to 80%
- protected the vulnerable
- trusted the public a bit more
- looked clear eyed at the data showing covid was not by any means a deadly disease to most

they would never of had to go full fear, full lockdown and full mandate.

100% agree

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overthefalls Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 6:54pm

Frog, the media thrive on fear. That’s the nature of the beast; bad news is good news because it makes loads of money. The way the media has behaved during the pandemic is not much different to how it has done so in the past. That’s why we have to sift through all the bullshit and try to find “the truth”, which is even harder when our perspectives are so tainted by our biases.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 7:06pm

How many in the forums were trained as researchers to university graduate level? And thus have that skillset?

After all this bs, for my 2c MSM are not to be trusted, nor are other 'researchers'. Let's take a certain finance site for example, was it set up by a guy whose dad was former information officer in eastern bloc soviet country? You might find good stuff there, but you also might find a certain view of domestic US events/geopolitical events. Determine if it is what you actually would agree to before getting on board.

Get as close to primary documents as you can, understand where there may be bias in the primary source, form your own conclusion. If you can form trends in your conclusions - exciting! You could pass this on, but there's so many other views out there you will be lost in the crowd. We are drowning in derivatives of news items to the nth degree now with social media retweeting at lightning speed - things can be overwhelming. But also, there can be valuable primary sources that you never would have access to. Like some of the instant twitter stuff.

Maybe the correct approach is to just have a laugh where you can. Look at this primary source:

We can conclude that it is in the top half of the hour, for Crazy Ivan's go to starboard in the top half of the hour.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 7:23pm
frog wrote:

If they simply had:
- shifted the vaccination goal lower to say 70 to 80%
- protected the vulnerable
- trusted the public a bit more
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For example, here. If we look at deconstructing 'simply' protecting the vulnerable, it is perhaps better to admit that you can't. The vulnerable interact with society in ways I have described in these threads and once you let it go, it would be nicer if you just admit some of these people are going to have very adverse effects. To understand why this is, just look at the supply of services, often medical, to these people - or consider the environment they are in, or of aged care homes. There are many staff coming and going, and this serves as a vector of infection. Often they are from the group that 'has' to continue working no matter what. The staff will be active in their community, so that means in a mass infection scenario, the virus will get to the vulnerable via these pathways. Often, treatment is concentrated in specialist areas which are also the areas where a large proportion of symptomatic patients are in proximity. Thus, you cannot simply 'protect the vulnerable'; and the more courageous way to address this might be that you are willing to pass this risk of adverse effects onto that group to get the benefits you want.

Thus the trope 'protect the vulnerable' can be revealed to be like a headline-lie, often repeated but not really questioned or examined, a lot like what the MSM have done with their fear narrative.

Otherwise your post was quite good.

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channel-bottom Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 7:27pm

VJ - with your uni background, what's your take on VSU?
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gsco Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 7:48pm

great post frog.

I'd add:

The problem with covid was it was an unknown. There was so much uncertainty. It was unprecedented for our lifetimes. There was no experts with experience in it. There was no plan waiting to be rolled out. Everything was winged and made up on the fly.

Consequently, governments erred on the cautious side in order to limit the possibility of deaths until more information became available, and/or acceptably effective vaccines were developed and enough people got vaccinated, and/or it was revealed that covid was less of a threat than feared, and/or covid mutated itself into less of a threat, etc.

In doing this, governments and their media outlets such as the ABC behaved like propaganda and misinformation services and relentlessly spammed and echoed, day in day out, the same biased and one-sided messaging of covid fear mongering and vaccine effectiveness in order to convince people to accept lockdowns, mask wearing, border closures and other restrictions etc and to get vaccinated.

It was obvious to any sane, aware human (I'm not one of them) that governments and the media were doing this, in the interests of reducing the possibility of deaths, and in doing so they were badly stretching and mangling the facts way out of proportion to the point of obscurity and beyond recognition in order to get their messaging across*.

The other problem is little to none of the data and studies etc that government decision makers were basing their decisions off has actually been released to the public. So people were required to accept what they were being told to believe and do with little to no valid justification apart from "trust the experts".

It's no wonder public trust in governments, the media, science and the "experts" etc has been eroded. Were were just kept in the dark with obviously biased messaging that we couldn't verify for ourselves.

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I just wonder what other peoples thoughts are on the media narrative as opposed to doing your own research.

So my answer would be no you can't trust the media but regarding covid it wasn't possible to do one's own research since this information was not (and still isn't) made available to the public.

*This is the main problem with a democracy. The citizens are easily convinced to believe something by relentless, echoed messaging.

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 7:56pm

What Stuart said above re: manufacturing consent.

That and some CRAAP.

Corporate media = 'news' for profit. Consume accordingly.

Close reading and deconstruction is fun!

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bluediamond Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 8:12pm

ha. True that Constance. Great thoughts from all. Enjoyed that post of yours too Frog.
Just wanted to highlight this paragraph again from News.com above and then i'm out because i meant to highlight it in my original post.
"Both the US Food and Drug Administration and Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration strongly warn against taking the “dangerous” drug to treat the virus, but it has been championed by those against Covid vaccines"
That last sentence "but it has been championed by those against Covid vaccines" is excluding those who have been vaccinated yet would also prefer an early treatment option were it to be available also, so as not to solely rely on a vaccine that hasn't delivered the protection that was hoped for. Hence they're heaping all those who believe that early treatment of some sort, ivermectin or otherwise are 'antivax' and should be labelled as the other, instead of being inclusive and stating alot of those vaccinated would be stoked to have an early treatment option also available. This seems to me to be a way to create division amongst people, which again, i believe leads to a mistrust of, alot of major news outlets.

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 10:04pm

BD, John Fiske (WA icon!) will blow your mind!

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bonza Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 10:38pm

Good posts frog and gsco. Perhaps it's naïve but my trust in government and the MSM still remains. More so for ABC but no doubt much less comparatively to gsco.

That said I am so bitterly disappointed and frustrated at how the whole pandemic thing from an Australian context (that’s my experience) has played out. I can't see how anyone can discount the public acceptance and willingness to forgo our liberties in order to "get through this". Handing over such liberties was huge. It was fucking huge. And we did it as a society for the collective benefit for all of us because our leaders asked us. We trusted them and we gave it predominately without protest maybe a grumble and a caution. What an amazing opportunity for our leaders and corporates to capitalise on that trust with some goodness, to make up for some of that historical grievance and poor (criminal) corporate and governance behaviour. And they fucked it.

How can one play so lightly with such a thing. How dare they. Public trust in authority, government, corporations and all democratic institutions has been trending down for some time. Surely pre-pandemic it was at its lowest point for quite some time historically? Big Pharma was a standout for being targeting with distrust - anti vaxx was maxxing pre pandemic. Remember the samoa measles thing? Here was an opportunity for government and the pharmaceuticals to turn that around. And they did. Briefly. A vaccine for a SARS virus in record time (I didn’t think it would happen) developed in partnership with government funding and industry nous. What happened after that is open to interpretation but in my opinion it's a lost opportunity and im super pissed off about it. Angry at governments lack of balls in strengthening legislation around data sharing. Angry at the arrogance of big pharma to think they didn’t have a social license nor need to address our fears and concerns at such a crucial point in time.

I've spent years fascinated with how conspirators think and why they do. I try my best to stick to the scientific method principles..I've argued with them in various forms here included. In hindsight probably with a veneer of arrogance and superiority. I'm not immune (excuse the pun) to oscillating between dismissiveness, humour, irritation, mockery, despair and more recently pre pandemic.. deep concern.

I see the Covid thread as a microcosm of society right now. maybe that’s a dramatic comparison. Our governments have played the science card throughout the pandemic. The irony wasn’t lost given the woeful ignorance of science when it comes to almost every other pressing challenge. But for Covid It's been clear for a long time now that the science does not justify the means, mandates and restrictions in their response. They broke our societal contract. They took our sacrifice for granted. . For power and incompetence. When they have been questioned on this they dismiss, label, blame, ignore, defer and abuse. The harm this has done to our trust in authority and science is of a magnitude greater than any tinfoil, proudboy etc could ever achieve.
This is what occurs on the covid thread. Do you think the audience does not recognise dumb shit when its said? Do you take us all for fools? What that for 95% of people who READ the thread do you think we believe that chemtrails are a thing and need to be schooled on how vaccines don’t cause autism? Self-proclaimed intelligentsia happy to "punch down" posts with abuse and mockery when dumb shit is said but conveniently ignore or worse abuse when those same posters say something of substance. Alienating the fence sitters every time you do it. You guys really fucked it.

Meanwhile the rich get richer. Is there a goat meme for inequality?

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bluediamond Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 10:47pm

Good post Bonza. Plenty to take out if that. Thanks for sharing straight from the heart. Some power in those words.
Cheers CBG for the headsup also. Will check it out. Hope alls good over your way legend.

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Alana_a Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 11:08pm

Some great posts in here. Thankyou.

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sypkan Wednesday, 23 Feb 2022 at 11:46pm

spot on bonza

its the the lost trust in the system that is going to fuck us over now, for at least a deacade, probably for generations...

doesn't matter what the issue going forward, as soon as any leader defers to the science, the corona poo tsunami will crash across us all once again...

the seriousness of this predicament cannot be overstated - yet it is totally being ignored.... measures need taking to avert pending disaster, but sadly all I see is a twisted arrogance and ignorance in abundance, and ever more blame shifting...

"...Self-proclaimed intelligentsia happy to "punch down" posts with abuse and mockery when dumb shit is said but conveniently ignore or worse abuse when those same posters say something of substance. Alienating the fence sitters every time you do it. You guys really fucked it...'

and on and on it goes...

as supafreak's vid convincingly shows...

the nutters case has only been strengthened by the actions of a certain hubristic mindset

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 12:23am

A dissident Australian perspective...on corporate media and propaganda, and the latest samo manifestations.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-w...

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Constance B Gibson wrote:

A dissident Australian perspective...on corporate media and propaganda, and the latest samo manifestations.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-w...

Genuine question: Are you schizophrenic?

Or are your impulses ruled by the overwhelming chronic pettiness of your character?

From gleefully bombarding photos of animals and rubbish in an attempt to derail a thread which is fundamentally about crushing dissidence , government , corporate and media propaganda and the growing authoritarianism around the world , to now trying to convince others you’re a servant to truth in media…..?

The same points of view from the covid thread are being beautifully articulated here and you appear to be in agreement, yet on the covid thread you’re trying to shut down discussion with unadulterated fuckery ?

I’m not interested in you or your motivations, I just wish you’d be honest about them so that you might stop being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. Then again…..maybe you are just a cunt. The type of cunt who would rather burn it all down than have to be seen in agreement with someone else.

Blue Diamond- What is it with your obsequiousness to this flog? He pillories everything you stand for on the other thread and now you’re telling him he’s a legend? You are walking the walk and standing up against political oppression and he’s there doing anything his juvenile mind thinks might undermine support for your efforts …..yet you then pat him on the back when he spouts his vapid dribble about speaking to power ? He’s not on your side.

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Supafreak Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 8:10am

NIH SENT THE INTERCEPT 292 FULLY REDACTED PAGES RELATED TO VIRUS RESEARCH IN WUHAN
The NIH continues to withhold critical documents that could shed light on the origin of the coronavirus pandemic.
WITH THE GLOBAL death toll from Covid-19 approaching 6 million, the need to understand the origins of the pandemic is both pressing and grave. But the National Institutes of Health continues to withhold critical documents that could shed light on this question. This week, in response to ongoing litigation over public records related to coronavirus research funded by the federal agency, the NIH sent The Intercept 292 fully redacted pages rather than substantive material that could help us understand how the virus first came to infect humans.

At this point, no one can say for sure how SARS-CoV-2 set off the pandemic. It may have emerged naturally, jumping from a host animal to people, as many other deadly pathogens have. Or the coronavirus could have first spread to humans as the result of a research mishap — through bat capture and collection, risky experiments, or a host of other more mundane lab activities. U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed both theories as possible. But knowing exactly what led to the worst disease outbreak in recent history requires more information.
The “lab-leak” hypothesis is bolstered by a long history of accidents at facilities that study pathogens and the fact that one such laboratory that specializes in coronaviruses, the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, is located in the very city where the pandemic first began. As many have noted, China has not been forthcoming with information that could help us understand the origins of the pandemic, blocking access to a cave that may hold important clues, taking a database of information about coronaviruses offline, and refusing requests for records from the World Health Organization.

But the U.S. government, which funded some of the coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through a New York-based research organization called EcoHealth Alliance, has also withheld information that could provide insight into the origins of the pandemic. The Intercept filed a Freedom of Information Act request in September 2020 for grants the NIH provided to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. At the time, only summaries of the research were publicly available. The NIH initially refused to provide the documents. It was only after The Intercept sued the federal agency that it agreed to provide thousands of pages of relevant materials. Some of these releases have proven newsworthy. The grant proposals received in an initial batch of documents in September revealed that scientists working under the grant in Wuhan were engaged in what most knowledgeable experts we consulted described as gain-of-function experiments, in which scientists created mutant bat coronaviruses and used them to infect “humanized mice.” The mutant viruses proved more pathogenic and transmissible in the mice than the original viruses. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, denied that the U.S. had funded gain-of-function work in Wuhan.
Communications received by The Intercept in December provided insight into the agency’s ongoing and largely unsuccessful efforts to obtain records pertaining to the biosafety of the work conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And another grant proposal from EcoHealth Alliance that we received from the NIH clarified the extent to which ongoing work now funded by the U.S. government is similar to the work under the now-suspended bat coronavirus grant that has raised so many biosafety red flags and questions. We also learned that in 2020 the FBI sought documents related to the U.S.-funded coronavirus research in Wuhan.

But the most recent batch of documents, which the NIH sent The Intercept on Tuesday, underscores an ongoing lack of transparency at the agency. Even as members of Congress and scientists call for additional information that could shed light on the origins of the pandemic, 292 of 314 pages — more than 90 percent of the current release — were completely redacted. Besides a big gray rectangle that obscures any meaningful text, the pages show only a date, page number, and the NIAID logo. The remaining pages also contain significant redactions.

Even when the redactions are technically justifiable under the Freedom of Information Act, public agencies typically have the discretion to release documents anyway. In this inquiry, which could help us understand the how this pandemic began — and how we might avoid future outbreaks — the presumption should be to give the public as much as information as possible, not the least. The NIH still had more than 1,400 pages of relevant documents in its possession when it issued the almost entirely redacted release to The Intercept. Despite broad bipartisan agreement about the need to better understand whether research could have led to the deadliest disease outbreak in recent history, the agency appears to have no urgency to make this critical information public.
https://theintercept.com/2022/02/20/nih-coronavirus-research-wuhan-redac... When agencies like the CDC , NIH , FDA , TGA withhold information from the public and there are deals done between big pharma and governments that also can not be made public, why do people who question this then get labeled. Why can’t they all be open and transparent in order to gain trust and faith in these government agencies.

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frog Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 8:41am

When our saviour arrived (no, not that one Optimist and Brutus) - the almighty variant "Omicron" - the absolute classic twisted fear propaganda theme was this:

South African doctor who discovered Omicron: “European politicians wanted me to say this is a serious disease” They told her to adapt her story: “I then said that Omicron is a harmless disease in South Africa and a very serious disease in Europe

The ironic statement made out of frustration gave them the fear words they needed.

At a time when quiet optimism should have been the story, they ramped up the fear. The media jumped on board for a while until it became embarrassing. But still the phrase "deadly disease" was sprinkled liberally through many a story. The ABC and The Guardian especially likes it - not so much for click bait but more for that "public good" messaging to gets the vax rates that tiny % higher - for limited benefit and lots of costs.

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Roadkill Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 8:59am
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And as one thread dies that was kick started by your casserole on the kitchen ceiling episode the other night the next Covid thread is born.
https://youtu.be/LF6EEYqGgn8

Bingo.

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Blowin Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 9:04am

The mental gymnastics and suspension of disbelief required to keep the “Omicold still could be hectic” narrative alive for that few extra weeks was unbelievable.

South Africans are all young healthy and spritely so their experience isn’t relevant……false.

South Africans may not be vaccinated but already have immunity from prior infection….wait , I thought naturally aquired immunity wasn’t a thing ?

The data isn’t in yet …..yeah it was. South Africa had tens of thousands of resolved cases by that stage due to Omicold having lighter, shorter symptom duration.

The medical community could have cleared any of these “misconceptions “ up at any time. Instead the misinformation campaign was let off the leash.

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gsco Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 9:25am

great post Bonza, appreciate you writing it.

Interesting bookshelf Constance. I think Edward Bernays would fit in nicely there.

I like the opening sentences of the John Pilger article:

John Pilger wrote:

Raw propaganda is now the rule in Western democracies, especially the U.S. and Britain.

On matters of war and peace, ministerial deceit is reported as news. Inconvenient facts are censored, demons are nurtured. The model is corporate spin, the currency of the age.

It's fascinating how the government and media propaganda machines have gone from covid straight to Ukraine without stopping for breath.

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Blowin Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 9:09am
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seeds wrote:

And as one thread dies that was kick started by your casserole on the kitchen ceiling episode the other night the next Covid thread is born.
https://youtu.be/LF6EEYqGgn8

Bingo.

So?

It’s the largest public interest story since WW2 and the true extent of lies and deceitful actions are only now being truly examined . This issue is no longer about a virus, it’s about the direction our political class, institutions and media arbitrarily chose to follow and the ramifications they imply for society post covid. The person in the street knows the virus is fuck all and when they see politicians still enacting unjustified emergency powers they know that things are seriously amiss.

You do t like it then go start an animal photos thread.

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Blowin wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
seeds wrote:

And as one thread dies that was kick started by your casserole on the kitchen ceiling episode the other night the next Covid thread is born.
https://youtu.be/LF6EEYqGgn8

Bingo.

So?

It’s the largest public interest story since WW2 and the true extent of lies and deceitful actions are only now being truly examined . This issue is no longer about a virus, it’s about the direction our political class, institutions and media arbitrarily chose to follow and the ramifications they imply for society post covid. The person in the street knows the virus is fuck all and when they see politicians still enacting unjustified emergency powers they know that things are seriously amiss.

You do t like it then go start an animal photos thread.

“Mainstream Media Vs the culture of resuuuuurch.” Is the largest public interest story since ww2? Lmao, so dramatic, snowflake.

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Roadkill Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 10:13am
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And as one thread dies that was kick started by your casserole on the kitchen ceiling episode the other night the next Covid thread is born.
https://youtu.be/LF6EEYqGgn8

Bingo.

So?

It’s the largest public interest story since WW2 and the true extent of lies and deceitful actions are only now being truly examined . This issue is no longer about a virus, it’s about the direction our political class, institutions and media arbitrarily chose to follow and the ramifications they imply for society post covid. The person in the street knows the virus is fuck all and when they see politicians still enacting unjustified emergency powers they know that things are seriously amiss.

You do t like it then go start an animal photos thread.

It must suck to live a life like yours. You’re turning into a bed wetter living an irrational continuous fear of govt control.

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Blowin Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 10:22am

Still with the Snowflake?

You’d think that since your body has the least ability to resist common Earthly viruses since the Martian’s in War of the Worlds , that you’d be a bit more circumspect in your highlighting of weakness in others ?

Yeah, nah.

You are right about the threat of government control though. It’s completely imaginary. That’s why little kids in Victoria have to wear a useless face covering for 6 hours a day minimum like oppressed women being forced into burkas in the Middle East and why Australians can’t drive West past the South Australian border anymore. All that stuff must be made up bloke.

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sypkan Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 11:07am

seriously roadkill, do you really need to bring your pettyness and patheticness over here?

have a look at most of the comments above mate, then look at yours - then contrast them... if you are not interested, or think it is all a non event then go away...

and at least let the coversation develope for a day or two before you bring your petty personal issues over here

then by all means come over...

and repeatedly write snowflake, resurch, rabbit hole and conspiracy theorists adnauseum... void of any context and seemingly any point at all, if you must...

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gragagan Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 11:02am

Now there's an angle of the origins of covid I haven't heard anyone mention.
Maybe it didn't come from animals and wasn't a lab leak. Maybe it came from aliens? Sounds stupid I know, but think about it; if aliens did visit earth it would be likely that they would bring with them viruses that are new to humans, that humans have no immunity against. So instead of our viruses killing the aliens, it's the other way around.
And the good thing about this theory is there's lots of wriggle room in the story for people to add in their own conspiracies. Like those in charge being A.I .or illuminati or aliens hence no vaccine mandates for them (politicians); the reason for media deception and cover-ups; introducing the new world order; alien bases on the moon; aliens deliberately releasing covid to weaken humankind prior to a planned invasion of earth; those in charge being pedophiles (aliens) who feed on children..... and so on.
* I don't believe any of this, it's just my dumb idea of the day. Have a laugh

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Roadkill Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 11:10am
sypkan wrote:

seriously roadkill, do you really need to bring your pettyness and patheticness over here?

have a look at most of the comments above mate, then look at yours - then contrast them... if you are not interested, or think it is all a non event then go away...

and at least let the coversation develope for a day or two before you bring your petty personal issues over here

then by all means come over...

and repeatedly write snowflake, resurch, rabbit hole and conspiracy theorists adnauseum... void of any context and seemingly any point at all, if you must...

so selective there, sypkan.

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sypkan Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 11:20am

not realky mate

yes blowin had a go at facto, but it was totally within context and full of fair points and questions...

schizo is the only way to describe the poles and ridiculousness he displays

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 12:14pm

Hahahaha. The 'conduit for anxiety' is that-a-way...

https://www.swellnet.com/comment/807788#comment-807788

Speaking of anxiety and all things mental health...

"Genuine question: Are you schizophrenic?"

Remember this one, blokey?

The more things change etc...

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 12:15pm

"Interesting bookshelf Constance. I think Edward Bernays would fit in nicely there."

Hmmm, maybe.

https://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american-mind-edward...

I'm sure you're au fait with Adam Curtis, GSCO? Bernays is a major platform of his 'thesis' here:

https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the-century-of-the-self/

Take notes, kids. Actually, there's no need. Curtis specifically tailors his work for an 'atypical' viewing audience...they're a species of the 'medium being the message' in themselves! Sit back and absorb!

What's interesting is that his stuff was broadcast (and heavily promoted) on the BBC back then.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 12:16pm
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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 12:19pm

And all roads lead back to Noam (and Stuart's comment above! The company we keep!)...

This one is even animated!

https://www.openculture.com/2017/03/an-animated-introduction-to-noam-cho...

Take notes, kids!

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Snuffy Smith Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 1:13pm
Blowin wrote:
Constance B Gibson wrote:

A dissident Australian perspective...on corporate media and propaganda, and the latest samo manifestations.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-w...

Genuine question: Are you schizophrenic?

Or are your impulses ruled by the overwhelming chronic pettiness of your character?

From gleefully bombarding photos of animals and rubbish in an attempt to derail a thread which is fundamentally about crushing dissidence , government , corporate and media propaganda and the growing authoritarianism around the world , to now trying to convince others you’re a servant to truth in media…..?

The same points of view from the covid thread are being beautifully articulated here and you appear to be in agreement, yet on the covid thread you’re trying to shut down discussion with unadulterated fuckery ?

I’m not interested in you or your motivations, I just wish you’d be honest about them so that you might stop being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. Then again…..maybe you are just a cunt. The type of cunt who would rather burn it all down than have to be seen in agreement with someone else.

Blue Diamond- What is it with your obsequiousness to this flog? He pillories everything you stand for on the other thread and now you’re telling him he’s a legend? You are walking the walk and standing up against political oppression and he’s there doing anything his juvenile mind thinks might undermine support for your efforts …..yet you then pat him on the back when he spouts his vapid dribble about speaking to power ? He’s not on your side.

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gsco Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 1:37pm

Great links Constance.

Yep, Chomsky, Bernays, Fiske, etc, already explained it all many decades ago, and in Bernays' case basically a century ago. All the answers are in there.

The game remains the same. All that has changed is the specific players, the mediums and technologies used, and the sheer warp speed of it all nowadays.

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bluediamond Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 2:11pm
Snuffy Smith wrote:
Blowin wrote:
Constance B Gibson wrote:

A dissident Australian perspective...on corporate media and propaganda, and the latest samo manifestations.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-w...

Genuine question: Are you schizophrenic?

Or are your impulses ruled by the overwhelming chronic pettiness of your character?

From gleefully bombarding photos of animals and rubbish in an attempt to derail a thread which is fundamentally about crushing dissidence , government , corporate and media propaganda and the growing authoritarianism around the world , to now trying to convince others you’re a servant to truth in media…..?

The same points of view from the covid thread are being beautifully articulated here and you appear to be in agreement, yet on the covid thread you’re trying to shut down discussion with unadulterated fuckery ?

I’m not interested in you or your motivations, I just wish you’d be honest about them so that you might stop being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. Then again…..maybe you are just a cunt. The type of cunt who would rather burn it all down than have to be seen in agreement with someone else.

Blue Diamond- What is it with your obsequiousness to this flog? He pillories everything you stand for on the other thread and now you’re telling him he’s a legend? You are walking the walk and standing up against political oppression and he’s there doing anything his juvenile mind thinks might undermine support for your efforts …..yet you then pat him on the back when he spouts his vapid dribble about speaking to power ? He’s not on your side.

?

Haha. Wtf????

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bluediamond Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 2:13pm

Blowin maybe you could start a separate thread on personal grievances. This has nothing to do with me, my friends who i value highly nor the topic at hand.
Cheers.

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Blowin Thursday, 24 Feb 2022 at 2:45pm

What?

You’re over on the covid thread in all kinds of emotional distress because the WA government is using authoritarian politics to crush dissenters who reject the propaganda that they must choose between bodily autonomy and personal freedoms. It’s exactly the topic at hand and specifically relevant to the this thread. Except your mate Facto is over on the covid thread doing his utmost to disrupt the discussion by legitimate trolling. It’s you who he is dumping shit on when he’s siding with the “ All mandate dissenters are Right wing racist Nazis “ crowd. He’s using school girl tactics to try and undermine our conversation about the overreach of government.

He’s not on your side.

Anyway bloke. It’s up to you. I know he’s a duplicitous petty flog. What you do is your business. I don’t give a rats arse. Just thought I’d point out that he’s not in your corner as you go through your very public turmoil at the hands of government.

Fagto has done everything he can to avoid saying “ Yep, the WA government has been real nasty with its unscientific political attack on the unvaccinated. “ I don’t know or care how he actually feels about the issue but he has certainly done the opposite of leaping to your defence. He’s belittled everything you’ve experienced by trying to disrupt discussion with his usual flouncing mean girls routine.