Fitzroy-21 made a good point in the other thread. (cut & pasted below)
"Years ago, we used to all post quite freely on here with opinions and thoughts on some great discussions. There would be some great piss takes, laughter and occasionally things would need to be reigned in if it got a little heated. It was just that, opinions and thoughts. Didn’t hurt anyone, gave an insight into differences and views you may not have previously considered.
Lately it has just become a toxic shit show. The amount of times I have written out a post to then just delete it, shut the lap top and walk away because I just couldn’t be fucked with the stupidity. There a now a couple of posters that have just ruined the whole culture of the place. The fact is, these posters are not just ordinary, run of the mill vanilla fuckwits, they are A-grade top shelf fuckwits. Swellnets self-appointed sheriffs.
I can only imagine what would have happened if old mate Wellymon had bought up the subject of bigfoot/sasquatch these days."
...then posts meme!
V.I., you is priceless, brother.
Obviously im not the one who post memes day after day, i post maybe half a dozen to a dozen max a year and they aren't all just memes to piss off or stir up people or play some silly psychological games..
Just today in this thread alone you have posted four memes, we all know all you do is post memes, insults, links, or cut and past other peoples comments, often out of context from years ago.
Anything but decent conversation, because basically your just a sad troll.
Anyway better post it here again seeing it's lost on the other page and sums you up to a tee, pity its not just below your lame meme like on page one though.
Utopia starts here Pops:
Ha, I like that one Indo, made me chuckle. I like Facto's book one on the previous page too. I get a laugh out of a lot of facto's memes.
"Years ago, we used to all post quite freely on here with opinions and thoughts on some great discussions. There would be some great piss takes, laughter and occasionally things would need to be reigned in if it got a little heated. It was just that, opinions and thoughts. Didn’t hurt anyone, gave an insight into differences and views you may not have previously considered.“
I personally like Fitzy’s sentiment but also think that statement is suffering from a touch of nostalgia (BB you out there!).
I reckon there’s been equally toxic periods over the years & can recall quite a few nasty specific attacks. Maybe this year has been more pronounced for all the reasons people have already stated.
I think Snuffy is onto it though. There definitely seems to be a bit of a club vibe at times. Some regulars often talk about the need for all voices to be shared & heard to add variety to the various topics, yet they seemingly end up talking amongst themselves. What’s hilarious though, is these same people continue to engage even after constant toxic abuse (both ways). That’s pretty loopy shit.
Tubeshooter also nailed it talking about not taking these online forums too seriously, something I’ve learned the hard way over the years.
The most enjoyable part for me is the comedy that arises from within various threads. There are many contributors that I personally find very funny. Long may it continue! Cheers!
Like Viclocal Rabs?
Whenever he posts, i'm careful that before I read anything he's composed I make sure the cat is not around, I've had a piss and my coffee is at least an arms length away.
"Wambulance"- I'm still chuckling away here.
Comedy gold. Only wish I'd thought of it.
Let bygones be bygones.
Zen, yourself & Vic are right up there! Keep it coming :-)
Politics and religion.
As sure as death and taxes.
(Except if you’re a right wing conservative government aligned multinational...no tax for you!!)
Yes, i think its been said before but imagine some of these contributors all on a boat trip together but they were unaware of each others online identity. As long as the surf was good they would get along fine talking about what we all have in common. But then a flat spell and discussion veers to politics, covid vaccination... oh dear it would go to shit quite quickly.
I still believe people would be a lot nicer to each other face to face than online of course
A wise man once said
" Be careful who you let on you ship because some people will sink the whole ship
Because they can't be captain.....
I think you've posted in code what I've been tempted to post more explicitly - yes the times are a changing!!
Overall love the forums and the diversity. I don't do social media, this and another aforementioned blog are it for me.
Yeah same. This is it for me and social media. Got enough on my plate with work . Lot of helpful posts in amongst it all. Obviously diverse crew with differing opinions . Thats OK .
The forums are usually pretty high quality, for what they are. This is a surf site, so I’m not really expecting in-depth and nuanced posts on politics here. I tend to go to more political sites for that content, but those sites are no better, although the quality of the invective may be a little higher. In other words, they shit-post just as much but some try to disguise it a little with bigger words.
Human beings are basically the same wherever you go. No surprise if this year has seen a rise in trolling and invective given the circumstances. We’ve all been under a lot of pressure.
FWIW, I started posting to web forums, on realsurf, around the late 90s, which was really the dawn of the internet. I’d be at work doing my stuff and this was such a new thing. It seemed like a boon for modern man, an escape for a cubicle bound employee. It wasn’t long before I started to see how vile, immature and thoroughly decrepit a lot of people are. Vile shit being posted. I just couldn’t understand why people would post shit that they clearly wouldn’t say to someone’s face.
Stu was there. I’ve met him, Craig and Ben once or twice, we even had some Xmas drinks one year. Freeride came down. I’ve even made a very good friend from that site, and some other fellas that I meet up with once a year for a Xmas dawn surf and brekkie. Who would have thought something so good would come of it all.
It really was weird to me though, the shit posting The worst forums on swellnet still don’t come close to those heady days of absolute insults and internet screaming matches.
And as I do post on more political forums, principally Crikey, I like reading swellnet forums to get a broader perspective. Political forums can be a little predictable, I think swellnet gives me a greater perspective of what the average punter thinks, and that is invaluable to me.
While I was working, posting to websites was a great escape. Now that I’ve been ‘let go’, (yay) I find myself with less time to spend on forums, sort of counter-intuitively. I love coming back here to read the comments and post, but it’s just an occasional thing now. You guys would know better than me whether it really has gone to shit, but to me it seems ‘same as it ever was, same as it ever was’.
Indo, I accept that you think your views are moderate to centre-right. Possibly in these days they are, but that is in the context of a society that has lurched a lot right of centre over the last two decades. Your views, historically speaking, are right of an already right-wing society. You fall short of far right, because far right these days refers to something to the right of Genghis Khan, but we, as a society, are nowhere near ‘centre’ any more. Even on these forums, you are not a voice of ‘the centre’. You would occupy the further right end of the spectrum here. That’s a good guide on where you stand in society, I would say.
Generally I find your political views creepy, insensitive, provocative, entitled and boorish. I do try however to play the ball and not the man, and counter your arguments with differing opinions. That’s how it should be.
Have a good day everyone. I’m off to get in the water, which I’m very pleased to say I do a lot of these days.
One other thing. I haven’t posted much anywhere in the last 3 years. Work just went apeshit for me, so the idea of having even a moment to check a website went out the window. That explains my rare postings as much as anything.
Right on BF stoked to hear you are getting out there.
tries to play the ball and not the man .. but by the way, you are entitled , creepy, insensitive and boorish. right. there seems to be a vague awareness of your own hypocrisy ,lack of self-awareness and boorishness but I am sure you will be able to suppress it in a farrago of future self-righteous smugness. v-l, facto and the usual suspects salute and embrace you from the trenches of grim-faced failure and abuse
I'm wondering if anyone can define the centre?
To me, I reckon it's kinda like the magnetic north pole in that it can't really be pinned down and moves according to the position of the earth at any given time.
Btw, I don't think you're creepy Indo. I just need to keep my one good eye on you.
You can't Zen my centre and batfinks centre are completely different views.
Plus there is a social and economical view and then people try to pigeon hole it into one
Maybe the economical view of today is more right than in the past, due to the fact the current system has worked the best while far left economical ideas like communism.and true socialism have failed almost everytime through history.
But today's social view and trend is more inline with cliche left social ideals, society is more tolerant of the each other than ever, be it race, sexuality, sexual choice, religion. ( actually there is a very good argument, that most of todays intolerance is fueled by the division and focus of the left on minority groups that causes so much us and them.mentality instead of us mentailty)
Anyway Zen i might be a capitalist but i don't care what colour skin you have or what sex you are or your sexual choice, or your relgion you are fine by me.
So im probably the most pathetic and failed far right person out there if people believe the far right ideals are to be racist, homophobic, sexist pigs or whatever ive forgotten.
BTW the original topic is not about politics or left or right etc
Its about the way people treat each other here, Blindboy who is very left leaning had exactly the same concerns as me about a year or so ago, he even started using his real name i guess hopping others would as believed people would be less toxic and be more accountable if they were not so anonymous.
If anyone thinks my view is to prevent conversation or views i don't agree with you are way off. Id just rather have proper debate or conversation than troll some stranger. I just dont get my kicks from that and dont understand how others do, but i do enjoy a debate and proving people wrong.
For instance that family on detention in Xmas island. No body can give me a good reason why they shouldn't be deported, but i have provided good reasons why they should. (Safe to return home and hence no longer refugees all in line with conditions of a temporary protection visa)
Zen, to answer you’re question about the centre I believe you need to consider the historical context of where it sat in our lifetimes. That immediately mostly negates anything the info-warrior has to say as he has admitted his only recent interest in politics. His position reflects his recent evolution from dole bludger to aspirational tradie.
The traditional centre of Australia BH (before Howard) is many degrees to the left of where the current day ALP now sit.
See Guy just pointless little snipes, why not just comment with out those snipes?
Why not just give your opinion, you can still say im wrong, just do it in a civil manner without childish name calling and belittling..
Obviously everyone always thinks they are right, but i personally feel i have the luxury of once being a lefty who voted Greens for years and even thought socialism was a good idea, to now a more moderate conservative view on things.
Anyway if you do a google search you will find all kinds of articles and opinions on what the centre means, most agree its not written in stone.
The centre of gravity for politics is the almost mythologised middle ground which can appeal to both ends of the political spectrum.
As a symbolic political label, the centre takes on some values of equality and some of socioeconomic hierarchy to appeal to the middle ground. And often centre-ground aspirations hit political parties during elections in the hope and belief that electoral success lies in the middle.
When the left and the right move, the centre shifts."
BTW. I was on the dole about 20 years ago, not exactly a recent evolution, but yeah my move from left to right is much more recent.
"It's a simple question I've been asking for the last nearly 30 years" ....
“.... obviously everyone always thinks they are right ...”
No info everyone doesn’t think that, in fact, you are the only one here that is so dogmatic in their beliefs to think that.
Diversity of opinion is good but pal you’re so frigging predictable in what you have to say ... always another comment, always more research always more noise. Riddle me this info, show me just one issue where you’re changed your mind.
Aww just coz you’re all polite on this forum topic changes nothing, as they say you can’t polish a turd no matter how hard you try
No less predictable than almost anyone on any day here Guy.
Hey Zen, got an opinion on my comment on the centre?
See this is crap im talking about although ive rarely ever agreed with him (Floyd)Guy use to be a half decent poster once, he could debate a point civilly with out adding childish names or other lame insults, but now Guy is basically a Facto wanna be, even using Facto's lame hash tag things.
Seriously guy we dont need another Facto, be your own person, it just makes you look silly copying Facto like a little boy in primary school copying the rat bag kid.
The thing is with people like yourself, you just dont like anyone having an opinion that doesn't align with yours, it drives you crazy, you want it silenced, like Sypkan said what we are seeing with the insults etc and trying to discredit people and not the argument, it's basically cancel culture.
Anyway if you actually read my previous post you would already know that ive changed my whole outlook gone from Greens voter to conservative, this is pretty much a 360 change, that's a big change, a whole change in mindset, how much more of a change in mind do you want?
Edit: god i even voted for Rudd, the guy that made the whole mess with boat arrivals that we are still paying for trying to resettle people, FFS what the hell was i thinking, actually i know what i was thinking, i use to work with fibre optic cabbling so i was sucked in by that aspect, that aspect he was correct on though.
If we are talking smaller recent things, ive changed my mind on Nuclear like many people in recent times including people like Dick smith and Bill gates, i honestly thought it should be the future, i still think its the most efficient, clever energy source, but i watched a video about six months ago that made me understand that its not going to happen, not because its not a great energy source, but more the economics and politics of things, video below.
As you would know in the past ive also been very critical of climate change, although i did accept the science, i also believed maybe they could be wrong, maybe those videos from that 1% of climate scientist etc that dont agree are right or maybe it's not man made.
But ive changed my mind on this too, although not 100% certain id said its close to 99% certain that climate change is real and caused by man.
Why did i change my mind?...well you can thank Jim Banks, he was way over the top on his climate scepticism on FB and he shared some videos id watched, it made me re think things, also just all the dodgy crap about Covid from so called doctors etc just reconfirmed to me to be more careful in who or what i believe even if the source seems decent.
Edit: one more i can think off, population, my views on population mirrored pretty much those of Blowin, if you go back through these threads you will find i was the one who first brought up "sustainable population party" years and years ago when they first started, i voted for them or put them pretty high once, my mindset has changed a bit on this issue, although in theory i share views with Blowin, from a realistic perspective regarding economy etc i think its far more complicated and id now really be worried about the economy if we had a big change in immigration policy. (in all honesty i have mixed feelings on this topic, head and heart saying different things)
Oh and another abortion: I always use to be totally pro choice, get a girl pregnant no worries just have an abortion, but after having my first child 7 years ago (im in my 40s had kids late) although i haven't changed to Pro life, im kind of undecided and neither here nor there, just feeling my kid kicking inside my wife belly, changed how i viewed things...anyway im sure there is plenty more examples.
Edit: sorry another, Bitcoin i was a big fan tried to justify it all really wanted to believe a lot of it was the future no Bitcoin itself but some of the other ones were useful, but lets be real its all pretty much a scam maybe XRP is the only ligit one as actually used by banks, otherwise it just rich bastards sucking in people like me to get their money basically a pyramid scheme. (i could have cashed out with a nice chunk but i was dumb and greed got in my way, i just wanted that little bit more, it was fun though)
So what post don't you think your are correct on? (cause you always seem to think you are always right and very rusted on in your views even when logic is brought to a discussion like the case of that family in Xmas island, you still dont go, okay yeah true, but havent given any type of decent explanation on why the rules should be bent for them? why are they different to every other refugees who was on a temporary protection visas thats situation has changed and its safe to go home, you never gave a reason for them to not be deported back home, you just say not all black and white, when it is actually very black and white )
And what things have you changed your mind on?
"See Guy just pointless little snipes, why not just comment with out those snipes?"
C'mon man don't take away all the fun!
Free speech and all...
You put out, then complain if others don't agree in a manner that doesn't offend...
How's that 'Mute Button" going?
Anyhoo's, let's all just agree that playing the ball is best.
No doubt it has gotten 'toxic' at times, (or is that 'intoxicated') and I feel sorry for Ben and Stu having to come on here to request the participants to calm it down, keep the 'c' word off the front page, and FFS don't make me delete posts! (ooops too late, again).
It's like asking the banks to self-regulate!
Nevertheless, swellnet is great place to share and learn and laugh.
It's like a microcosm of the diversity of thought that exists at this time.
In terms of social media I have instagram but only joined this year to follow Craig around (haha),but actually never use it now . I have used Messenger, but since I got my new phone I haven't downloaded it yet, and really don't miss it. I've had a FB account since 2007 and have more friends from overseas that I've never met, than I have real ones living close by. I say that only because it relates to the fact that it not only gives me exposure to a wide spectrum of current beliefs, it provides an invaluable cultural resource that I can take screenshots of (only the best) and share on here!
But this is not about me, but about we. And as cliched as it sounds, when it all comes down to it, (as we all know) we are all in this together. We just sometimes forget.
And on that note, to answer the above forum topic with some simple sage advice:
It's not Sunday but its always a good time for a song:
Fucken hell Indo!
Sounds like you've changed your mind more than the average punter changes their jocks.
You're not a chick are ya?
And the dreamer whines on... agin'...
Of course indoblown gets annoyed with the facts of his suspect, nightmarish, wierd, sick behaviour being constantly presented, just like serial crims hate having to deal with evidence of their activities.
His feeble explanation of his pride and joy, work in progress I might add, below, is that it was presented by me, 'out of context'. Care to enlighten us on what benno meant with his comment dreamer? Show what was out of context with this fucked up behaviour of yours?
Not only is your speil below racist and mysogynist, in any context, it displays ludicrous arrogance, total acceptance of your lying to others because you feel like it, and, take your pick, either unbridled, wilful ignorance or blatent stupidity.
To actually believe that an innocent couple should welcome your scheme, because you feel like an experience, defies description. Even worse, you are so deluded that you stated that they would love to meet you? Love to meet a blatent fucking liar who is smarmily thinking one thing, whilst saying another to their face? Are you fucking serious? Why not approach them, using the exact language, the actual truth of what you are thinking, and see how they feel about you when you spit that shit out word for word?
Anyone that can explain away, ignore, or condone the dreamer's nightmarish master plan below... then I know all I need to know about you, no fucking time for you at all.
'Dreamon said, and recently stated that he is still planning this fucked up shit below.
'BTW. i saw a women at the market in Dandenong the other day with a burqua or maybe it was a Niqab it was kind of in-between couldn't see her face though, i was waiting for my missus so did a bit of people watching with her, to be honest she didn't look oppressed like the full black robe ones I've seen in Indonesia that look like servants of the men, actually looked the opposite in this case she had her little middle eastern guy following her around and from the body language she looked like she was wearing the pants so to speak.
It was quite crowded and was thinking maybe i will accidentally go bump into her and say sorry etc and see if she will interact with me and see the reaction of her husband, but by that time my missus had finished.'
His shitty outlook was quickly called out, by, yes guess who, who dreamer now despises.
'Is it just me, or is this just a bit, erm, mental?'
Benner also called it out:
Let's replace "burqa or niqab" with "biniki", the location from the "Dandenong markets" to "Bondi Beach", and let's switch stereotypes - Australian wife/husband, muslim bloke watching from the side.
Let's then see how this woman interacts with you (and how her husband reacts) after you "accidentally bump into her".
C'mon ID.. really? Why do you need to see how they react following fake body contact? What would it tell you that you wouldn't otherwise get from asking them a question?'
Then of course the dream goes on. The real, protected on here, emboldened dream/nightmare.
Again, the smarmy, sly, 'taken out of context', drivvling explanation is spat out by blowindo.
Yet, just before your disgusting, racist outburst below, you spat this shit out as well, which likewise followed a pile of your racist, demeaning crap.
'I dont agree Floyd I'm sure there is many many many true indigenous people that feel as i do and think it's a joke that some white fella thinks he is indigenous because their great great grandmother was indigenous, id sure feel that way if i was a true indigenous person'
'I can't believe nobody came up with the old line.
"It doesn't matter how much milk you put in coffee it's still coffee"
Which well is not true at some point it just becomes coffee flavour milk.'
If that blowindo offering is great, enlightening conversation, the forums are beyond fucked.
Now for the dreamer's latest outburst.
'BTW. Im pro indigenous i just don't agree that blaming indigenous problems on white fella or colonialism helps anything, it hasn't helped one indigenous person yet and i doubt it ever will, it does avoid looking at the real reasons behind indigenous problems though.'
You obviously have evidence? No, just more wilfully ignorant, racist crap.
Having worked for many Indigenous Australian Organsations, the actual exact opposite is true. Just like when a rape, or abuse victim, especially if young, sometimes can't make sense of why they might behave in ways that are detrimental to themselves, because somehow they blame themselves, despite being totally innocent. They can then find a relief, a sense of freedom, and feel support, and acceptance by themselves and others, when it is made crystal clear to them, that what was done to them, is in no way their fault. That realisation and acceptance can help them find peace, recover self esteem, and find a way forward. Dreamon whined about his total collapse because he couldn't pay his rego after being stoned off his scone and doing nothing but surf for years, yet somehow can't grasp what the effects of a couple of hundred years of the british, full blown, attempted genocide of Indigenous Australians has on their mental, physical and emotional health. Its fucking pathetic. And yeah, the dreamteam, serial, swillnut club honchos love it.
As for your other blathering surf shit dreamless:
Blax... you shit your pants and dodged it, simple. Next.
Indo? FFS, this is what you said about me in the shrimp's, the kookaburra kid's, blow blow's, 'help me I'm just a typical gronk' so expose every break in indo for me, pleading topic:
'Uplift that would have been cool going to any area of Indo 30 years ago, there must have been so much mystery,'
Yes, it was extremely cool. You were miles too late... but... again... You blew it. Fucked up. So that's what you are a 'specialist' in. Being miles too late in indo. Also, as you explained, many times, you can only handle the b grade waves on small days. Obviously totally uncool. Don't call me, I'll call you... a ludicrous, gronked up fuckwit.
Self appointed moderator on surf website forum complains of lack of civility. General response is 'fuck off'. The world moves on.
MB: and Info Dreaming still stands by his comments. FFS that is truly pathetic.
C'mon Lifty, I've actually enjoyed your return. You've been posting some really good info. Let's keep it that way yeah?
And deleted upon better judgement rather than reactional instincts.
Hi Guy, your comment kinda confirms what I said above. The centre is not static, it's dynamic and certainly can't be agreed upon.
Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and do the same fitz21
eliminate duplicates online
Ha ha Thanks Herc for another perfect example of pointless toxicity pretty much collected every cut and paste there, but missed out the Bitcoin thing?
The best bit though is the too late for Indo bit.
Yeah i was too late for Bali like Ullus, Padang Padang, Kuta reef by the time i got there many spots were already crowded although there was still plenty of waves especially compared to now, I still got to experience Bingin when there was about three losmens in the cliffs and you could stay for free just had to eat and drink there, still got plenty of uncrowded waves compared to now, Impossibles was always totally empty no one bothered unless it was really lining up, dreamland and Balanagan pretty much empty and no development, and im kicking myself i didnt listen to a guy who tipped me off on Keramas when it was not exposed to the world and called Brass monkeys or something or maybe it was called golden monkeys. (mas does mean gold)
And Canggu handful of guys on each spot was a crowd and it was all rice paddies, i cant even go there now its just depressing, oh and Nusa Lembongan was still empty most days was only really when a charter boat came through it got busy.
As for Indo overall it's never too late there is still plenty of areas off the radar some truely world class waves and lots of very fun waves, mostly fickle spots but if you put in the time the adventure is still there empty waves and places were no one speaks english just the true Indo vibe.
Ive also been lucky to surf so many areas before they got too crowded or overridden with resorts especially in Sumatra region, also use to surf central java and didnt see one western surfer ever, South Sumatra two losmens on the point at Karang Bocur whole coast empty, even Krui left and peak was empty back then a lot of the time, i even bought a block near Krui left still have it worth ten times what i paid but the area is turning into a little Kuta.
Then the Telos id never heard of them but looked at a map one day and saw these island between Nias and Telos, only one little mention of them on the internet back then on a charter boat website (no pics) but there was no resorts or anything, I went out there stayed in the local village with wave out front, no toilet, no running water, no electricity just kero lamps at night, surfing alone pretty much every surf, i actually use to paddle out when a charter boat came for the company which was rare, made life long friends that are like my second family.
Went back next year and myself and my new local friend went searching for different waves, yes they had all been surfed, but i didnt know the names or what was what, to experience that is amazing i surfed every spot alone including the most perfect wave in the area which is one of the funnest barrels ever.
Mentawais also very lucky to experience before it got too crowded there was two maybe three resorts in playgrounds area and got to experience the original set up at Ebay, just coconut farmer huts, just a few guys staying there, no toilets, no running water, no electricity again just kero lamps, use to surf all the waves in that area including other side of island with just friends or a couple of crew, go surf elsewhere if a charter boat or resort boat came..
Same with telescopes area only one resort, i even surfed perfect Telesopes alone one February got so sunburnt i couldn't surf the next day and it was pumping but i was serious sick with sunstroke only other surfer in the area some backpacker that could barely stand up so it broke all day perfect and empty.
Latter on ran maccas resort in 2008 and they also had the laut India (Indie explorer charter boat) got out there late Feb got to surf Maccas with one guy, surfed HT's, Lance left with one or two guys, surfed Macaronis more than anyone on earth that year and im still a shit backhand tube rider, im sure i hold the record for most waves surfed at maccas without being barrelled, but as we all know maccas is just as much about turns.
So yeah if you think i missed it, well think that but ive had some super cool experiences and super uncrowded perfect waves, and you know the best thing, it's still possible even now. (especially this year)
PS. I actually just clicked that link, and wow i can't beleive how civil you were in that thread way back in 2014 even with Blowin, that whole thread is real positive, imagine that going down today the trolls would be posting all kinds of negative stuff to bring the cool vibe down.
And yeah my comment to you, was a nice one, even though you were just banging on about West Java, surfed that area empty anyways can dig up some pics of empty Lojis and Cimija if you like, worth a visit but one of the more average areas of Indo.
"Having worked for many Indigenous Australian Organsations,"
Yeah thats the scary thing complete tossers like you working in these areas, no wonder things aren't getting better for indigenous people.
Anyway the topic has been done to death and i really dont want to give you what you crave which is to talk about it all again.
But saw this yesterday from Anython Dillion a very wise indigenous man apparently its from a book entitled 'Dissenters Project'. This was from a chapter by Anthony Dillon.
I surfed the Tellos in 91' Indo.
and Karang Bocur with NO losmens over 20 years ago.
Point is........many many surfers have done the same sort of shit over the years. You're not special or some sort of 'pioneer' just as Im not.
Just regular punters who went there after someone else.
1000% agree with you, thats not at all the point of my post.
Point is its silly to say someone has missed it there is so much adventure and empty waves even today, not that it matters what he thinks or others think, but it was just a good way to address his post (not focus on the other crap), and good excuse to re-live the memories for a few minutes.
Well done Indo.
Must have been an experience to cherish surfing all those spots before the masses.
Yeah good memories Zen
Fair enough mate. (responding to Indo's post 2 above)
BTW. was it a trip with fishing boat fro Nias?...or stay in village?
Or was it with Brad halfacre old place at Sipika?
Ferry from Nias to Tello. Once there, negotiated a fishing boat (thanks to local Lagundri surfer, Sinali who came with us) and motored off for about 10 days.
Didn't see any other bules the whole time.
Well, well,well, whadya know, I mean really know... agin' aayee mmmaaayyyteee...
I knew you'd open that thread indoblown, and I knew it wouldn't take long, and out would come the real dream, the nightmare. And sure enough, just a little bit of pressure, and there he is, the truth... come out to play agin'. Reaching into his smarmy, sly bag o' tricks... all you've got deep down, those fucked up beliefs that you dodged again.
This. That you won't go near, other than to say, than to brag, 'fuck'em, I'll do what ever I feel like... because I fuck'n feel like it.' And why not, its enshrined in swillnut club 'culcha' now, that good 'ol other surfee, tone abbott... mr wink, wink... nudge, nudge... 'culcha club'
Yep, didn't take much, and out came the real dreamer/nightmare. to play. Yeh, yeh, you deleted it now, to save some face, to play your game. But not before you bragged about how you could get away with sinking your boots into my wife... again, like stupe' and your boyz done. Bragging how stupe' will ignore it, look away... agin', like he does when blow blow gets on it. The tone abbott show. 'I put farkin' yards in... I dun... aaayyee... an' I didn' see farkin' nuffink' aaayyeee.... Awww yeeeh...aaahh well... maybe a lil' bit orf aaayyeee... blow blow's asian sluts droppin' their farkin' drawers shite... wink wink... nudge nudge... agin'... all good but...
Yeh, and it wasn't any low blow, it was way below that... Smarmily, slimily lookin' around for back up, gettin' the wink, wink, nudge nudge, then crawling, oozing like a piece of slime out into the stands, stupe an' 'is boyz, giving a, tone abbott, wink wink, 'eds up at an innocent woman in the grandstand, minding her own business. Away you went, blowindo, the real deal nightmare, sinking your slimy, gutless, hidden boots into her, my wife. And her crime? She went out of her way to help me make some video's, as requested by strangers on here, by complete strangers, to help them out, because I asked her to. And because she is such a kind, beautiful lady, that happens to look young and beautiful too. And if she knew what you said about her, she would make out that she wasn't hurt. But I know her, and she would be really hurt, she wouldn't understand at all, why helping some surfers, that she doesn't know at all, would set her up for you chicken shits to boot her in the guts. Again.
And again, here it is, not you, but your beliefs, your plan, under scrutiny.
And, you'll dodge it, justify it again. Because here's nice, you know, real nice, sweet shit, and safe for that shit. Just keep it ya know.. wink..wink...
Yeh, swillnut surf culcha... 2020 aaayyeee mmmayyytee
As for ya indo spiel... losmens? Tours? Camps? Maps.
Miles and miles too fuck'n late... again... in a nutshell...