Are the swellnet forums turning to crap????

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indo-dreaming started the topic in Wednesday, 9 Dec 2020 at 6:59am

Fitzroy-21 made a good point in the other thread. (cut & pasted below)

"Years ago, we used to all post quite freely on here with opinions and thoughts on some great discussions. There would be some great piss takes, laughter and occasionally things would need to be reigned in if it got a little heated. It was just that, opinions and thoughts. Didn’t hurt anyone, gave an insight into differences and views you may not have previously considered.

Lately it has just become a toxic shit show. The amount of times I have written out a post to then just delete it, shut the lap top and walk away because I just couldn’t be fucked with the stupidity. There a now a couple of posters that have just ruined the whole culture of the place. The fact is, these posters are not just ordinary, run of the mill vanilla fuckwits, they are A-grade top shelf fuckwits. Swellnets self-appointed sheriffs.

I can only imagine what would have happened if old mate Wellymon had bought up the subject of bigfoot/sasquatch these days."

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 4:50pm

"I vote for Hutch as the SN moderator.

you know it makes sense."

Careful what you wish for, Bonza.

Actually, why does old Hutchy 91 get such grief from Stunet on here?

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Blowin Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 4:58pm
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Creepy sidekick?

In the pursuit of knowledge why don’t we just see how long we can go without the slander, lying accusations about someone’s character, snide remarks and loaded comments towards others?

First to cave announces themselves as piss weak. Heads up….half clever attempts to sneak one in will be easily recognised.

Start….now.

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evosurfer Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:07pm

I say its pretty much the same half dozen guys on every forum topic on here and
they just have a world of knowledge on every subject and slander each other.
Sometimes its funny sometimes just rubbish but can be amusing when im bored.

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:09pm

That's the spirit, Evo!

Does this one win your comp. Bloke-in?

“Show me on the doll where Karl Marx touched you.”

Beers on you!

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evosurfer Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:20pm

Dont drink maybe I should so I can understand what your on about CBG.

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GuySmiley Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:39pm

Until some hourly/daily contributors here (1) get suspended / permanently banned by SN; or (2) everyone else ignores them denying them the oxygen they desperately crave; and/or (3) they get bored and do the world a favour and go away forum topics especially those dealing with cultural wars issues, will always be a huge stinking steaming pile of crap .... as proven by years of SN archives.

Reading the comments above from today I didn't know whether I should laugh or cry, talk about lack of self awareness, anyway good luck SN Team you do a great job, be bold in your decision making. Speaking of which didn't someone "named" today previously threatened to drive all the way to SA to settle a score? Strike two?

Adios amigas

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Fraser G Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:39pm

Mental

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:39pm
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Jeez, Ben , if you're pressed for time, realise that first post from me was from last year. Referring to Pupkin being disappeared.

Yeah, I know. Here's the original quote, which Stu wrote in May last year:

https://www.swellnet.com/comment/669756#comment-669756

So, to your rhetorical question "Talk of banning? NO.."

Was there (private) talk of banning after the Pupkin episode? No, but there was the year before, and it'd also been discussed back in 2017 too. Kinda get sick of repeating myself.

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:43pm
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Until some hourly/daily contributors here (1) get suspended / permanently banned by SN

Yeah, we receive a few emails from people asking for person x or person y to be received. Funnily, it's not always the people you think it is.

Anyway, we're developing an interesting moderation tool that will assist the process I think. Looking forward to launching it, and seeing the reaction.

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gragagan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 5:57pm

Ever thought about putting in a thumbs up / down for posts? Might avoid some of the abuse that gets posted. Instead of posting a reply to agree or disagree which can then lead to arguments, just a thumbs up or down

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:00pm
gragagan wrote:

Ever thought about putting in a thumbs up / down for posts? Might avoid some of the abuse that gets posted. Instead of posting a reply to agree or disagree which can then lead to arguments, just a thumbs up or down

We're developing a variation on that which will be really effective. Don't want to say much more until we're ready to launch, but I think it'll certainly improve the tone of the forums in a way reflects the wishes of the community.

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Blowin Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:07pm

Great ….a sin bin voting system where the handful of resident whining ninnies can do their pile on cyber bully thing to gang vote any unpleasant opinions out of the picture. It’s not enough for them to parade their soiled nappies across the forums and emailing the editors and owners to ban those they disliked. It’s vomitous enough when they present their personal sensitivities as for the good of the community. Now they’ll get to take their hall monitor act full time.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:07pm

@Guy

Bit rich, you might not agree with my views but over 90% of the time i stick to the topic at hand and only get hot headed at others if provoked or in the very rare case when become frustrated with others views, something we all do as only human.

The amount of times ive had to ignore your personal attacks and cheap trolls when im not even having any kind of discussion with you is crazy.

There is two rules you are breaking when you do this, the one on personal attacks and one about causing chaos.

Your intentions are clearly just to try to stir me up to try to push me over the edge.

So don't you dare try to claim any moral high ground.

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GuySmiley Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:16pm

Sounds very positive @ben, looking forward to seeing what you have planned.

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san Guine Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:16pm

Thanks Ben, like the idea a lot. Nothing wrong with improving the tone.

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GuySmiley Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:27pm

Info, I did carefully draft an earlier post ... something along the lines of someone being simultaneously on topic and deeply offensive, something you clearly a talent for, but I then thought why bother as it would go straight over your head, so I deleted it. No reply required.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:36pm

You might be offended by my views, but im also offended by your views it goes both ways.

Thats not what we are talking about, i don't care what your views are, you or anyone else should have the right to share those views as long as you don't break Swellnet rules.

But you shouldn't have the right to just come into a conversation not add anything except just blatantly attack or put down people or try to stir them up, for the only reason being you don't agree with the persons views or don't like them for some reason.

The problem is you are clearly intolerant of views that don't align with your own and don't like having your own views challenged,

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:37pm

Sin bin. East Coast style. Good. BUT the SN team should be the referees. It's your game. Your rules. Your decisions.

And let whoever sins know ON HERE, so the rest of the players can see, and maybe learn.

Interesting comment in the other thread from you too, Ben.

To wit:

"Issue at the moment is that if we ban someone, they can't log in - so if they're a subscriber, they can't get Swellnet Pro access, so we have to cancel sub, refund etc"

Does this go some way in explaining the flagrant banning anomalies?

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Blowin Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:42pm

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indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:58pm
thermalben wrote:
gragagan wrote:

Ever thought about putting in a thumbs up / down for posts? Might avoid some of the abuse that gets posted. Instead of posting a reply to agree or disagree which can then lead to arguments, just a thumbs up or down

We're developing a variation on that which will be really effective. Don't want to say much more until we're ready to launch, but I think it'll certainly improve the tone of the forums in a way reflects the wishes of the community.

I just hope it's a fair system that doesn't penalise people based on opinion, but penalises people based on how they treat others.

For instance a thumbs down or up system that may then see the thumbs down post hidden is problematic and could create an echo chamber.

For instance if Hutchy said "Im going to vote LNP because i think they have done a good job" his post would im sure get a high number of thumbs downs and be hidden as there is not many LNP voters here and many Labor voters.

Yet someone else might say "Hutchy, your a (insert an uncalled for personal attack) because your voting LNP" and that post might get a whole heap of thumbs up.

The effect then being Hutchy is penalised just for sharing a view others dont agree with, while the other person is rewarded for a personal attack.

Personally i don't want anyone banned or anyones views censored, i just want to be able to post without people attacking me personally instead of attacking what im saying.

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:08pm

reading above... sigh...

all i can say is if you didn't believe the post modernist claptrap of... 'there is no such thing as objective truth... just perspectives... etc. etc." ...then here is the living proof...

the share house conundrum...

where everybody believes everybody else is the problem

enter public service style rules of engagement to please the tut tutters...

boooorrrrriiiing

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:06pm

not to mention....

stiiiiiiiifffling

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san Guine Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:06pm

Indo,
Who really cares who votes for whom, I just value people being respectful of other peoples view no matter which side of (so, last century view) politics you espouse... Yesterday was a nadir on Swellnet IMO, with some very ugly stuff bandied about.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:11pm

Yeah was just an example of how a thumbs up thumbs down system might not work, and could just create more of an echo chamber and bully type thing.

100% agree on the premise of your post though, it's all about treating others with a degree of respect and playing the ball and not the player.

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san Guine Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:12pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Yeah was just an example of how a thumbs up thumbs down system might not work, and could just create more of an echo chamber and bully type thing.

100% agree on the premise of your post though, it's all about treating others with a degree of respect and playing the ball and not the player.

+1

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:28pm

Or rather someone whose every comment in, say, the kiboshed ATSI thread IS A COLOSSAL TROLL in itself! Your speciality, id.

Y'know, wade in, no idea, armed with 5 minutes of google work and/or seconds getting (eww) tubed, and blaze away with total disingenuousness, and then wonder, again disingenuously, at the blowback, derail everything, and then back the next day, fresh as a daisy. 24/7, hourly, daily, monthly, yearly.

This meme is YOU!

It's what you do. You don't give a shit. And it's been evident forever. If Brutus - an actual ATSI man, for fuck's sake - didn't give you the time of day, you'd have just been left chatting with your old man, Hutchy 91, and that other duuuuuude, muttering RW inanities

White noise. Dying out.

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bonza Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:25pm

it will be much more fun and interesting if we let the ol' SN timers , regulars and wild cards rotate as moderators. i like the idea of giving random power to both the stable & unstable and mix it in with some sleep deprivation and alcohol and watch the unpredictable chaos that may or may not occur.

i'm serious goddamn it and im not a lawyer.

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:25pm

Hey, has anyone read the previous pages of this thread?

Maybe these would win your comp, Bloke-in?

"Maybe if you hadnt gone shopping for a Philippine mail order bride and had a real relationship with an Indo girl and learnt the language, you could also get the waves in Indo i do"

"...obviously it wasnt a dig at your wife, if she was a member here id never say anything like that, but im sure she is not a member here..."

"Sadly though they always have one thing in common sadly they marry old ugly farts twice their age that go shopping for mail order brides because no other women in their right mind would touch them, highly doubt you are the rare exception, you never talk about the Philippines.

Anyway IMHO give us mixed marriage guys a bad name."

For those that don't know this is all directed at a past poster, who got banned. MB.

That low-character slurry's author?

Indo Dreaming.

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/507432?page=2

Night all. Till next week.

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Ben Harding Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:25pm
thermalben wrote:

I didn't see any posts of that nature, I just bulk deleted a whole bunch of arguments spread over fifty or so posts. So, it's difficult to comment on an individual post without context, as much as it's also difficult to comment on other posts I have been made aware of from other posters - threatening violence - without relevant context.

If you see a post that you think needs to be reported, then screenshot it and send it through, and we'll look into it. We'll also look at building some functionality along the lines of 'report this post' into the site, which will assist.

Otherwise, if it's OK with everyone else, it'd be great if I could get back to work. Got a bit on at the mo'.

"We'll also look at building some functionality along the lines of 'report this post' into the site, which will assist."

I wouldn't waste your time with this, by the sounds of it, you guys already do enough moderating. There are some deep seated grievances and petty beefs between crew on here which will render that functionality obsolete in no time flat.

Honestly, these forums are fine, for the most part it's the same crew having a crack, and they give as good as they get. If it is affecting people's mental health then I would suggest taking a break from all social media, reset and come back with a fresher perspective or don't come back at all. Broader issues at play here I reckon.

I watched almost in shock at how divided the US became when Trump ran. Just as quick and largely due to covid, Australia or at least what we are shown outside of our own everyday realities via our online presence or thru news media is easily just as split (Regardless of vacinnations rates, if that makes sense?). Forums reflect this, but the more I think of this, so do conversations at the pub, at work or with your family too. I vote keep as is.

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:27pm
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reading above... sigh...

all i can say is if you didn't believe the post modernist claptrap of... 'there is no such thing as objective truth... just perspectives... etc. etc." ...then here is the living proof...

the share house conundrum...

where everybody believes everybody else is the problem

enter public service style rules of engagement to please the tut tutters...

boooorrrrriiiing

and the funny thing is...

whilst the public servant types are looking forward to it...

they are going to be deeply dissapointed... and straight back on the complaints line...

because despite concerns above, Im pretty sure SN will not be censoring opinion

which is exactly what some are seeking / requesting / demanding

fun times ahead...

albeit in a bland shade of brown...

baby poo brown seems appropriate

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:28pm
Constance B Gibson wrote:

Sin bin. East Coast style. Good. BUT the SN team should be the referees. It's your game. Your rules. Your decisions.

Yes.

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And let whoever sins know ON HERE, so the rest of the players can see, and maybe learn.

Yes.

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Interesting comment in the other thread from you too, Ben.

To wit:

"Issue at the moment is that if we ban someone, they can't log in - so if they're a subscriber, they can't get Swellnet Pro access, so we have to cancel sub, refund etc"

Does this go some way in explaining the flagrant banning anomalies?

No. We have banned subscribers before - including some participating in this thread - and refunded their sub (pro rata). It's just a pain the arse, that's all.

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san Guine Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:32pm

Syp,
"albeit in a bland shade of brown..."

Maybe in 1982
But have to totally disagree with you, surfers are anything but bland. We're an interesting culture; expressive, demonstrative, a little edgy. Neither mainstream nor counter. Maybe in the Hinterland...

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:35pm

Maybe on the East coast! Hah!

Byyyyyeeeee.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:36pm

@ Facto

Thats your ill informed opinion, and you have the right to it.

But im sorry my views are based on a combination of common sense and listening and reading what others have to say including Indigenous people like Jacinta Price, Anthony Dillion, Warren Mundine and more like hours upon hours.

And the idea that employment and purpose, education, health and positive cultural change and treating people equally and not on skin colour is white noise well whatever.

Anyway this is not the thread for this discussion.

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:35pm
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"We'll also look at building some functionality along the lines of 'report this post' into the site, which will assist."

I wouldn't waste your time with this, by the sounds of it, you guys already do enough moderating. There are some deep seated grievances and petty beefs between crew on here which will render that functionality obsolete in no time flat.

Reason we need this is that Stu, Craig, Jono and I (only people who have admin access) don't read every post, or even every thread.

So as an example, when last night's catfight started to take off, we had no idea it was occuring until someone emailed us. A simple alert feature will make this an easier process for users to let us know of problems.

Of course it's open to abuse but I think it'll be a step in the right direction. And it'll show we are being proactive about improving the forums and thus the quality of the community discussion.

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:37pm

CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.

It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:37pm

"I wouldn't waste your time with this, by the sounds of it, you guys already do enough moderating. There are some deep seated grievances and petty beefs between crew on here which will render that functionality obsolete in no time flat."

yep, all the problems are around personal grievances, and the deranged see this as an opportunity to activate their censorious perpetually triggered fingers...

it's gonna be fun

in a bland toned down language kind of way...

satire and unnuendo will rule the day

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indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:38pm

BTW. Facto if i was to dig up all the vile and abuse you have directed at people under your numerous handles, id be here for literally days, so im not even going to start.

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:44pm

Well, it's a new moon tonight, along with being a Friday, so with all the comments and tone above, I am fully expecting this thread to turn into a shitshow.

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GuySmiley Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 8:15pm
fitzroy-21 wrote:

CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.

It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.

Right idea wrong person, ask yourself who benefited most from stirring the pot yesterday to get the forum shut down, just saying

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wally Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 8:25pm

This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.

Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.

And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 8:34pm
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fitzroy-21 wrote:

CBG, you are going down the exact same path and narrative that has got you previous bans.

It's almost like that is what you are intentionally striving for. I just don't get it.

Right idea wrong person, ask yourself who benefited most from stirring the pot yesterday to get the forum shut down, just saying

Haven't been on for a few days GS, so don't know the context there. Can only guess by the commentary.

The comments from CBG above and in other threads today are almost identical in tone and context to the last few times he was put on holiday.

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 8:55pm
wally wrote:

This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.

Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.

And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.

Fair point. But what’s the alternative?

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adam12 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 8:56pm

"A simple alert feature will make this an easier process for users to let us know of problems"
So a sensor that censures then censors. Makes sense..

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nickca Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:34pm

Sorry to vague but I’d like to change my user name to my name. How do I do this ? Always enjoy reading the forums but sometimes wonder whether they have been infiltrated by posters pursuing a political agenda rather than dialogue. I like to listen to information from different sources but at times feel that I am listening to propaganda from a party machine. It’s great to have opinions but at times I feel the site has been hijacked. I want to be accountable for my opinions. Some of you .. both sides… just shit me to tears! Regards Nick Callan

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etarip Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:38pm

Well, those last two pages were an interesting read. There’s some real ingrained grievance culture going on. Both ways.

Chill out. If you’re getting angry at the internet, you’re losing.

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wally Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:57pm
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wally wrote:

This is a famously stereotypical and classically mocked internet thread.
Site owner: We would like a politer discourse, please.
And off they go. The usual pavlovian greyhounds. Like bald men fighting over a comb.

Fair point. But what’s the alternative?

Not a criticism of you, Ben.

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freeride76 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:31pm