Australia - you're standing in it

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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 12:41pm

Sorry Viclocal

I made a mistake and posted the above on the wrong thread . Just posted it on thread where you abused De Kock for not kneeling .

I will check there now to see if you are MAN enough to admit your mistake as others already have as I posted .

I bet you haven't and as you are very happy to give leftists a bad name .

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Supafreak Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 5:07pm

It certainly was entertaining today

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Supafreak Friday, 29 Oct 2021 at 5:09pm

And where’s Scotty when she needs him most ? 05119-A10-CC28-471-A-BA63-236-A4-BA01-EF0

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blindboy Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 4:45pm

Just out in the New York Times.

"SYDNEY, Australia — When Australia made its trumpet-blast announcement that it would build nuclear-powered submarines with the help of the United States and Britain, the three allies said they would spend the next 18 months sorting out the details of a security collaboration that President Biden celebrated as “historic.”

Now, a month into their timetable, the partners are quietly coming to grips with the proposal’s immense complexities. Even supporters say the hurdles are formidable. Skeptics say they could be insurmountable.

Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, has laid out an ambitious vision, saying that at least eight nuclear-propelled submarines using American or British technology will be built in Australia and enter the water starting in the late 2030s, replacing its squadron of six aging diesel-powered submarines.

To pull off the plan, Australia must make major advances. It has a limited industrial base and built its last submarine over 20 years ago. It produces a few graduates in nuclear engineering each year. Its spending on science research as a share of the economy has lagged the average for wealthy economies. Its past two plans to build submarines fell apart before any were made."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/world/australia/nuclear-powered-subma...

I was going to comment but not necessary really, is it?

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Roker Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 6:00pm

Michael! You’ve been here for an age and you’ve a ripe old age. For an age you were our sage, but now you’ve caused outrage and you’re off the page. It’s a (un)funny old Age.

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sypkan Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 6:20pm

disgraceful

the age should be cancelled!

wowserism... alive and well in australia

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blackers Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 6:41pm

Or alternatively Leunig is just being a silly old goose, a tendency he has shown over recent years.

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Blowin Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 7:07pm

Say no to vaccine passports petition

https://www.onenation.org.au/vaccine-passports

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blindboy Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 7:10pm

Yeh Leunig lost it a long time ago.

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sypkan Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 7:26pm

whatever your politics...

aren't political cartoonists supposed to be challenging?

if a cartoonist can lose his job for that... oz has lost the plot... not leunig...

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Blowin Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 7:29pm
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Say no to vaccine passports petition

https://www.onenation.org.au/vaccine-passports

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blackers Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 8:20pm
sypkan wrote:

whatever your politics...

aren't political cartoonists supposed to be challenging?

if a cartoonist can lose his job for that... oz has lost the plot... not leunig...

Oh I agree that cartoonists need to be challenging, and I don’t think he has lost his job, just shifted from prime time. A call editors make every day, editorial decisions and all that. If people don’t agree with those decisions they will read somewhere else I guess.

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Vic Local Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 9:06pm

blowin, you're a clown.
First of all you're linking to One Nation scum bags, but you're not a racist right.
Secondly you obviously think there should be no consequences to being an anti-vax moron.
Typical of you though, wanting laws to be made for the stupidest people in society at the expense of everyone else.
Given that the hospital system is really under the pump with front line medical professionals desperate for a break, you pushing this petition shows that you are truly one shit human being. I simply don't understand why Swellnet tolerates your racist anti-science crap.

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Roadkill Saturday, 30 Oct 2021 at 9:39pm

Nothing wrong with that cartoon…but, so many get triggered. Free speech should be encouraged.

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Optimist Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 5:18am

I liked the cartoon and signed the one nation petition. Oh and I’m also pro vax and don’t like one nation leaders which is a shame as their mission statements are mostly good. But that’s my free choice and everyone has something to contribute sometimes. I won’t vote for Morrison if he pushes through facial recognition and vaccine passports in Australia etc…that’s a fools game with an unhappy ending.

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 7:57am

BB- You like many in the left are so quick to turn on your own . So nasty !

Roadkill - well done for not doing the same .

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 8:27am

I wont be signing the One Nation petition as i dont care less about vaccine passports, but i do respect others right to be against them.

Regarding the cartoon, im pro vax, but i think the cartoon is clever and it would be really sad and crazy if he lost his job because of it, cartoonist like him should be pushing boundaries and making people think.

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brutus Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 10:13am
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And where’s Scotty when she needs him most ? 05119-A10-CC28-471-A-BA63-236-A4-BA01-EF0

ah supafreak that's hilarious.......I think ol Scomo was ah , put on the back bench at the G20...there's a great photo and story of Scomo meeting with Macron...LOL

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-g20-might-give-morrison-a...

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Vic Local Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 10:43am

"BB- You like many in the left are so quick to turn on your own ."
Nutchy, it's called accountability and it's sorely lacking on the conservative side of politics in the English speaking world (with maybe the exception of NZ)
The three clowns of Trump, Bojo, and Scumo don't get held accountable by their mob. They turn a blind eye to corrupt, racist, misogynistic, violent shitfuckery in their ranks and it's reciprocated.
Remember when Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women and the GOP came up with the "locker room talk" crap? How did that end up? A violent mob in the Capital on Jan 6.
Corruption and incompetence is rampant in Aus and the UK under the conservatives zero-consequences arrangement, but keep pretending the left being mean tho their own is the big problem.
I think I know which has a bigger consequence on the general public.
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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 11:04am

Very happy to hold all too account Vic . Have said on this site I have been disappointed with Scomo . Have said in the past I thought Trump unelectable due to his comments on women .

Have you said the same about Clinton and JFK ?

There is a big difference to holding someone accountable on an issue and ditching them and saying they have lost it and all respect .

Again you show a terrible inability to think and comprehend . Such a shouting and abusive dummy .

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Supafreak Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 11:34am

@ Brutus , the photo in the article from the age that you posted, looks like scot no friends is on the nod . 28-C37-D2-B-0-CF9-4-D16-AB6-E-531911-EA926-A

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 11:40am

Supa - you are right . That's why the Age published it . There would have been a lot of pictures of him talking with others but they want him perceived as having no friends .

Very normal behaviour that their readers love , respect and expect .

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 11:43am

He looked very uneasy in his interactions with Widodo on.the news last night.

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 11:57am

Viclocal - This is a good example to see if you hold a fellow leftist to account or ditch her .

"Kate Langbroek doubles down on her controversial views of the Covid vaccine - after slamming 'repugnant' bosses who force staff to get jabbed or face the sack"

"'I'm not for mandatory vaccines for work,' she said in the tense standoff.

'I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm just very uncomfortable prescribing to people mandatorily what they have to put in their bodies in order to work."

Daily Mail .

I applaud her views ! I hold her to account on many of her views but not this one .

Do you support her having her own views or are you ditching her completely ?

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Roker Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:10pm

Looks very chummy with Bolsonaro.

What a farce this is hey? But while we're here, let's be productive, and have our own summit. I'll explain to you how it works with the Amazon and my agribusiness companheiros, and you can tell me about the deal with your mates in gas and coal. And the ones in the jeans and cowboy hats? The Nationals? Yeah, I like these guys!

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:10pm

Celebrity non-entity whose brother is a Liberal MP in Queensland is a left winger ......... ha ha ha

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brutus Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:13pm
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@ Brutus , the photo in the article from the age that you posted, looks like scot no friends is on the nod . 28-C37-D2-B-0-CF9-4-D16-AB6-E-531911-EA926-A

Supayafreak.....been reading the French news a bit , and yeah Scomo/Australia will now have to earn back the trust that was given...so meanwhile he is being treated like a leper as was Dan Tehan when he flew to Brussels a mth ago to continue the Free trade agreement between Australia and Europe......no one would meet with old Dan , answer his calls.....so yeah Scomo burnt a bridge....to our 2nd biggest market of 450 m people...but more importantly , is investment into Australia has had a big down turn also......so it was/is a lose /lose for Australia....and will be for some time!

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Supafreak Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:16pm
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Supa - you are right . That's why the Age published it . There would have been a lot of pictures of him talking with others but they want him perceived as having no friends .

Very normal behaviour that their readers love , respect and expect .

Is this an old photo ? I thought the only photographer was the one Scotty took with him. Is this correct ?

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Roker Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:17pm

I think Hutchy's point is that public policy in Australia would be greatly improved if members of FM breakfast crews were shaping the national discourse.

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Supafreak Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:44pm

Interesting reading the comments in the age article and those replying to this tweet.

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 12:55pm

Roker - they would do a better job than Vivlocal . He said the Europeans would star applying tariffs to Australian imports . Lucky he is not a diplomate or a senior military figure as Australia would be surrendering at the drop of a ( European ) hat .

As Brutus is also worried about this and were talking about Europe on this thread I thought I would re post the facts about our trade with the Europeans .

"The European Commission is due to propose its carbon border tariff policy on July 14, a move designed to put EU firms on an equal footing with competitors in countries with weaker carbon policies than those of the bloc."

So the EC finally agree that being green is more costly . Thanks for the link as I missed this . I would hope that it is not WAY more costly otherwise an equal footing may make a slight difference . Ha ha .

You really need to get a brain and try to think before posting .

The EU have already stopped talking to us due to the sub deal .

If there IS tariffs placed on our coal ( won't happen imo as our coal is the best quality so less dirty ) and minerals like gold who the fuck cares . Gold is sold the world over at the same price . Same with other metals and coal . No tariffs !!!!

"Australia’s two-way goods trade with the European Union (EU) was valued at $69.3 billion in
2016 and accounted for almost 15 per cent of Australia’s total goods trade.
Australia recorded a net goods trade deficit of $28.7 billion in 2016.
In terms of sectors, Australia was a net importer of Agriculture, forestry and fisheries and
Manufactures products from the EU while it was a net exporter of Minerals and fuels and
Other goods (mainly gold).
Australia’s major goods exports to the EU were gold, coal and oil seeds, while the major
imports from the EU were passenger motor vehicles, medicaments and pharmaceutical
products."

We can put tariffs on their cars and medical products that we CAN buy elsewhere . Fuck French Oak . We grow Oak here . Fuck Truffles . They are a winter food and we grow them here . Same with fish . We grow wonderful salmon and kingfish . Clean Seas will be selling Australian grown kingfish through Woolies soon ( I declare an interest . Have bought CSS for clients a few months ago ) .

If the EU place tariffs on us and we retaliate THEY will be worse off . We buy more from them than they do from us . That is the definition of a deficit . Such a big fat stick ha ha .

That IS a FACT !

Bring on a trade war EU . Like bringing a knife to a gunfight .

The Europeans were always good at starting wars . We had to help them win and finish them .

https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/default/files/australias-goods-trade-with-...

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 1:17pm

The most secretive government in Australian history hides the science.

"In 2019, Professor Don Driscoll of Melbourne’s Deakin University and immediate past president of the Ecological Society of Australia, surveyed 220 Australian ecologists, conservation scientists, conservation policymakers and environmental consultants. The results, published this year in the international science journal Conservation Letters, found that one-third of government employees who responded had experienced “undue interference” when it came to public communications about their research.

Fifty-two per cent of government respondents had been prevented from publicly sharing scientific information. Of these, 82 per cent had been constrained by senior managers and 63 per cent by a minister’s office. For those respondents who had communicated scientific information in the public domain, 42 per cent reported being harassed or criticised for doing so. Just over half of respondents (56 per cent) believed that the suppression of scientific communications had worsened over recent years.

Some of the quotes to emerge from the study were deeply disturbing:

I was directly intimidated by phone and Twitter by [a senior federal public servant].

Not being able to speak out meant that no one in the process was willing or able to advocate for conservation or make the public aware of the problem.

It feels terrible to know the truth about impacts to the environment, but know you’ll never get that truth to the public and that the government doesn’t care at all. They want us to give them politically supportive information, not science.

I feel resentment when I am expected to “toe the line” and support decisions I consider wrong and not in the best interest of the environment and not based on sound scientific data.

I felt I was effectively lying by not revealing a major environmental threat, as if complicit in a crime."

https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2021/november/1635685200/anthony-ham...

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brutus Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 1:33pm
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Interesting reading the comments in the age article and those replying to this tweet. https://twitter.com/itsbouquet/status/1454589556829790215?s=21

where do ya find this shit supayafreak....LOL!!!

It's so funny when you read about Australia starting a trade war...with China/Europe now possibly the USA as ol' Scomo has called Biden a liar in public......I mean the arrogance that Scomo's currently exhibiting is beyond anything i could imagine ....ostracising Australia from our biggest trading partners , dreaming of Nuclear , a pipedream......saying we need different subs now....so WTF with spending $2.3b to find out we need nuclear , burn France/Europe , now piss off the USA/China.......I mean when are we going to war with India???
.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/31/scott-morrison-co...

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 2:14pm

Blind Boy - you are just too funny with what you post .

" surveyed 220 Australian ecologists, conservation scientists, conservation policymakers and environmental consultants. The results, published this year in the international science journal Conservation Letters, found that one-third of government employees who responded had experienced “undue interference” when it came to public communications about their research."

Let me explain what this survey should tell us .

As we all know the group were biased to a Green View . That is what they need to do their jobs and so are rightly biased .

Their definition of "undue influence " would be that they were told that their scientific information was not peer reviewed and probably garbage .

Their view , this is very funny , "It feels terrible to know the truth about impacts to the environment ", actually means I know best and am right . Your my boss so WTF would you know .

The next comment needs no clarification " I feel resentment when I am expected to “toe the line” and support decisions I consider wrong ."

The poor , poor petals !

The Don has found 220 fellow petals , gave them a survey designed to give him answers he wanted because he also felt he had undue influence placed on him and didn't toe the line . He is just throwing a little tantrum . It happens all the time with this type . Don't worry so much .

The funniest thing is that then the Blind one assumes , because of this charade and tantrum , the government is the MOST secretive in our history .

BB - those of use who HAVE lived in the REAL world are not so easily deceived . We know how the game is played . You let them throw their tantrum , think nothing of it and move onto important things .
It really is quite easy .

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 2:19pm

The usual nonsense from the usual suspect based on nothing but his latest brain fart.

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 2:23pm

Blind one and EVERONE else - I did not get personal and did not say this ( below ) about BB's post . Please be fair BB and not misquote me . I could have but it is not my style .

"The usual nonsense from the usual suspect based on nothing but the hot air emanating from his orifices"

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 2:25pm

Baked beans for breakfast AGAIN Hutchy

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 2:32pm

Not quite but your best guess yet . For lunch I had 3 eggs , bacon and a small tin of BB's BB .

BB's don't make me fart though . You sometimes cause a bit of nausea though .

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Roker Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 3:17pm

If you were the shadow attorney general and you've stated that the government is 'completely out of control' and is about to try to gazette 'terrifying... heinous laws' which are 'an assault to all freedom loving Australians' then at such a weighty moment, your commitment to the public good and the fight against authoritarianism would prevent you from any behaviour which might run the risk of 'serious error of judgement'. Guess not.

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 3:25pm

BB - You think this cover up is comparable to Watergate . I don't .

The survey was obviously very poorly written as it didn't get the desired outcome Don wanted .

Two thirds of the respondents felt they were being listened to . Two thirds felt they were not resentful when asked to "toe the line" .

Two thirds felt their version of the truth was getting out .

BB - If you knew anything about secretive states you would KNOW that two thirds don't get their view heard . Maybe 1% and it usually costs them their life .

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 3:33pm

You have no understanding of the practice or ethical standards of science......and so you are, yet again, talking nonsense.

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 3:50pm

BB- you don't need to understand the practice and ethical standards of science to read a bloody survey or read between the lines .

The REAL world teaches you to do that .

You write absolute BS and think it makes you look smart . Sorry but the opposite is true .

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blindboy Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 3:54pm

Ha ha ha, the real world where men are men and scientists are girlie boys? Priceless.
Thanks mate, you're always good for a laugh.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 5:44pm

I believe the correct term is Economic Girly Men.

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blackers Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 6:20pm

Seems as good a place as any for this. Heard it at the end of a truly excellent discussion by Tracey Holmes on her "The ticket" podcast.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9...

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seeds Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 6:58pm

Haha yes spot on Blackers. Describes the usual suspects on these forums perfectly

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Supafreak Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 8:17am

Scumo seems a bit desperate at the moment . From watching his performance on the morning news accusing France off slandering Australia , WTF . How did Macron accusing Scumo of lying suddenly become France slandering Australia ? Is Scumo trying to get everyone in Australia to hate France ? He seems desperate to me .

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brutus Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 8:30am
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Scumo seems a bit desperate at the moment . From watching his performance on the morning news accusing France off slandering Australia , WTF . How did Macron accusing Scumo of lying suddenly become France slandering Australia ? Is Scumo trying to get everyone in Australia to hate France ? He seems desperate to me .

hey yafreak........Yeah Macron made it clear that his comments were aimed at Scomo and not Australia.....Macron made it clear that Scomo lied about the sub deal to him, Biden made it clear to Macron that he thought Australia had notified France......watched the French news yesterday and the French are now saying Scomo's denials of lying is actually accusing Macron of being a liar!
So now Scomo is on the World stage as Australia's PM , no-one wants to talk to him , he's getting the cold shoulder because he has lost the trust and respect of all our allies and major trading partners........and can anyone explain why we spent $2.3 b and will have to pay another $400 m in penalties....to find out we need a different technology submarine.

I am really wondering if the French are in the process of torpedoing ol' Scomo's election chances......the old bloke from marketing just found out ...marketing bullshit just doesn't work on the World stage!