Australia - you're standing in it
The building industry went gangbusters as well. I know plenty of builders and tradies who were flat out because of the extra work from the new projects, even my son who left school around that period had no trouble finding work as did all of his mates who left school at the same time.
The money went to every Australian. Contrast that with this last stimulus where billions have gone offshore and to Australian companies who didn't need the handout. Crumbs for the plebs and "nice French wine" for the elite, in fact some got enough to buy the whole chateau
Freeride - this group did not need the handouts . They would have no trouble paying off their credit cards .
Why was it a good idea to pay the well off a handout ? It wasn't imo .
Your example of tourism is a great one showing how the money was pissed against a wall .
The people who were sacked would not have gone on a holiday unless they were already well off .
Same with people doing reno's . Pay for their new fridge .
Crazy waste of money .
The same with the LNP giving money away to businesses that didn't need it .
Liar, liar, we're on fire! Some of us have known this forever - kinda like seeing through a certain same, same regular on here! - and now it's the wider world! And hopefully, the wider Australian voting public.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/02/branded-a-liar-by-...
Jeez, there must be a meme or two in this...
Strap yourselves in...
Scomochio! Now THAT'S a proper nickname!
Usually takes a few turns of the cycle for voters to get a reading on their PM, but it seems we're arriving at the point where Morrison's real nature appears from the smoke cloud.
"The same with the LNP giving money away to businesses that didn't need it "
Agree with that statement but the problem is that it is in their DNA to do so
That Scomochio image is one I am going to have to try to steam clean from my memory. Sheeesh!
Ya canna trust a man who’s smile is upside down
stunet wrote:Usually takes a few turns of the cycle for voters to get a reading on their PM, but it seems we're arriving at the point where Morrison's real nature appears from the smoke cloud.
Unfortunately some voters will believe the spin that he is standing up for Australia. Additionally they will be the voters whose votes count and he will win the next election.
For record, I very much hope I am wrong!
andy-mac wrote:stunet wrote:Usually takes a few turns of the cycle for voters to get a reading on their PM, but it seems we're arriving at the point where Morrison's real nature appears from the smoke cloud.
Unfortunately some voters will believe the spin that he is standing up for Australia. Additionally they will be the voters whose votes count and he will win the next election.
For record, I very much hope I am wrong!
Palmers $$ + Murdoch + usual scare campaign + maintaining Howard era boomer $$ / largesse = Scomo is a shoein
GuySmiley wrote:andy-mac wrote:stunet wrote:Usually takes a few turns of the cycle for voters to get a reading on their PM, but it seems we're arriving at the point where Morrison's real nature appears from the smoke cloud.
Unfortunately some voters will believe the spin that he is standing up for Australia. Additionally they will be the voters whose votes count and he will win the next election.
For record, I very much hope I am wrong!Palmers $$ + Murdoch + usual scare campaign + maintaining Howard era boomer $$ / largesse = Scomo is a shoein
Yes very depressing.....
Hutchy 19 wrote:Focus - The households paid off their credit cards with the handouts and spent none of it . No help .
The miners may have shed 19% but those in the Iron Ore sector were quickly rehired . China' quick response to the GFC definitely save Oz from going into recession imo .
Other countries that also handed out money early but did not have mining exports ALL went into recession . It really was amazing the Oz kept the no recession run going and now holds the world record for years without a recession .
Covid ended our run .
You seriously have no FI, mining recovery came later with China's stimulus what kept Australia from recession was Ken Henry.
Other western economies went into recession because they acted behind the curve unlike Australia who went ahead of the curve due to Ken Henry.
You are regurgitating Liberal shrill.
Really I focus ?
The GFC started in mid 2007 and finished in early 2009 .
In 2006 Iron Ore averaged $US 73 p/t , 2007 $US 80 ,2008 $145 and 2009 $97 .
The Iron Ore price naturally reacted to Chinese stimulus in 2007/8 . The Iron Ore price went up in 2007 and went MUCH higher in 2008 . Volumes of tons shipped also climbed .
Only those that are regurgitating Henry shrill don't understand the effect that the huge increases in volumes AND prices kept Australia out of recession .
Prices
https://www.statista.com/statistics/282830/iron-ore-prices-since-2003/
Volumes
https://www.jtsi.wa.gov.au/docs/default-source/default-document-library/...
Again Hutchy you have no FI that's what happens when you are a Liberal stooge reciting their BS Leman didn't fall over until Sept 2008.
Chinese stimulus didn't start until Nov 2008
GFC start Nov 2007 I traded markets through the entire cycle.
For the Morrison fan boys
So let me get this straight, on the show of Kyle a self confessed satanist who openly admits he sold his soul to Satan for money and power,( heard him say it myself) , a random guy who reckons he was the one who trashed Morrison’s opponent, a total dog act, that we should believe what he says ….yeh sounds credible for sure….now I’m not a Morrison fan, but if you can show me someone better to vote for other than the nationals , who are doing a pretty good job in my region ….I’m all ears….a different perspective would be nice but there is no one else around here with more basic common sense than the nats and so we end up with “ please like me” Scott….we could do worse…housing for average joes is my big gripe with all politicians. A basic right with all our land we have and no one with a plan.
Optimist wrote:... housing for average joes is my big gripe with all politicians. A basic right with all our land we have and no one with a plan.
No basic rights in Australia.
Vaccine mandates for workers has proven that now.
We've now found the shit-show truth.
Unfortunately.
I focus wrote:For the Morrison fan boys
But but but, Scomo goes to church and the footy, cooks curry for Jen and the girls... Must be a good bloke....
I don't accept the premise of your assertion... .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
Optimist wrote:So let me get this straight, on the show of Kyle a self confessed satanist who openly admits he sold his soul to Satan for money and power,( heard him say it myself) , a random guy who reckons he was the one who trashed Morrison’s opponent, a total dog act, that we should believe what he says ….yeh sounds credible for sure….now I’m not a Morrison fan, but if you can show me someone better to vote for other than the nationals , who are doing a pretty good job in my region ….I’m all ears….a different perspective would be nice but there is no one else around here with more basic common sense than the nats and so we end up with “ please like me” Scott….we could do worse…housing for average joes is my big gripe with all politicians. A basic right with all our land we have and no one with a plan.
Not really random guy...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari
Was that him?? Oh OK so he’s the guy that was betraying his country to the Chinese Govt and got the arse from the senate….Nup still not Credible.
Is Sam still trying to be relevant and getting in the media ? Haven't heard of him for years .
A random leftie who was so corrupt he was forced by his own team to leave politics . A former "king maker " in the ALP .
Would still be on the Chinese payroll imo .
Great that he is still having a bitch about the LNP and trying to promote the ALP !!!
That will help Scomo .
andy-mac wrote:I don't accept the premise of your assertion... .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
how he gets away with this, every. single. time.
entire press gallery should just hand back their credentials & hang their heads in shame
Optimist wrote:Was that him?? Oh OK so he’s the guy that was betraying his country to the Chinese Govt and got the arse from the senate….Nup still not Credible.
That may be all true, regardless what he is telling us about Scomo is also true.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nasty-saga-you-nearly-missed-200...
Andy - You admit that Dan is a traitor for the Chinese money , that he was proved to be corrupt ( the ALP knew he was corrupt but it was only when it was proved for all to see that they acted ) , that he was a leader of the ALP and wielded immense power and has no credibility .
Then you say he tells the truth .
You set very low standards .
"No basic rights in Australia."
Yeh right mate, what a ridiculous statement. Yep we could do with a Bill of Rights and less abuse of process by governments, but you should probably read this beforte making blanket accusations.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
Hutchy 19 wrote:Andy - You admit that Dan is a traitor for the Chinese money , that he was proved to be corrupt ( the ALP knew he was corrupt but it was only when it was proved for all to see that they acted ) , that he was a leader of the ALP and wielded immense power and has no credibility .
Then you say he tells the truth .
You set very low standards .
Yes, if only you held some of the LNP to the same standards you seem to expect from ALP. His case was overblown and trial by Murdoch. How was Andrew Robb's lucrative job after he retired in comparison (Port of Darwin)? Sam received $44k for legal bills from Chinese that was declared versus Robb's $880k pa 'job.' Lets not forget the alleged rapist who received up to a $1,000,000 from a blind trust.
However, this is about Morrison and his past, so stop trying to change the narrative and what he was talking about in interview.
Andy - you are so funny . I do not set the ALP high standards at all . I know their standards from years of seeing them operate at both the State and Federal level .
I don't know any details of Robbs job . Good though that he might keep the Chinese , who have the lease , honest . I do know that both sides give "jobs for the boys and girls ".
Look at all the ALP former leaders who run Australia's largest superfund's eg Brack . Costello running the Future Fund .
Sorry that you thought I was trying to change the narrative . I do realise that your type will NEVER let that happen so I don't try to try .
Just thought it funny that you admitted you believe the truth from a confirmed liar with no cred . I didn't think it strange at all though .
geez the political opportunists are out in force...
the whole SN labor cheer squad, ...and macron... having a field day... on macron's elongated hissy fit...
still...
seems macron may have overstepped the mark actually...
(scotty too)
not cunnie's little prolific splurge will age well...
but not to worry... she'll just jump straight on the next (obvious) opportunism bandwagon...
synchrodogcal wrote:andy-mac wrote:I don't accept the premise of your assertion... .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
how he gets away with this, every. single. time.
entire press gallery should just hand back their credentials & hang their heads in shame
yes this!!
now there's a real problem...
Hutchy 19 wrote:Andy - you are so funny . I do not set the ALP high standards at all . I know their standards from years of seeing them operate at both the State and Federal level .
I don't know any details of Robbs job . Good though that he might keep the Chinese , who have the lease , honest . I do know that both sides give "jobs for the boys and girls ".
Look at all the ALP former leaders who run Australia's largest superfund's eg Brack . Costello running the Future Fund .
Sorry that you thought I was trying to change the narrative . I do realise that your type will NEVER let that happen so I don't try to try .
Just thought it funny that you admitted you believe the truth from a confirmed liar with no cred . I didn't think it strange at all though .
Your type.... ???
Playing the man not the ball.....
See ya mate....
all that...
and nothing changes, ...that labor are still unvoteable...
ie. unelectable
in (yet) another unloseable election!
sad times
Why unvoteable? Anything is better than what is currently in charge. Even a potato would run the country better
im not so sure about that gland...
labor are totally unvoteable, they were shit with shorten, ...like really shit... and somehow, against all probabilities... they've only gotten shitter...
that doesn't mean I'd vote liberals... but somehow, against all probabilities... Id feel dirtier voting alp...
they need to step up
....their eight year election campaign of hoping liberals will self destruct just don't cut it...
sypkan wrote:....their eight year election campaign of hoping liberals will self destruct just don't cut it...
Idiotic sentence. What they took to the last election was more ambitious than any Oz govt in 25 years. A last ditch effort of wealth redistribution before the full flush of neolib inequality gets entrenched.
whilst I find morrison most unpalateable...
I think 'the left' generally, need to realise the voting population don't find the left's opposition remotely as abhorent as they do...
we've seen it with trump, all 'the left' offered was 'trump is ugly man'...
they got 'their guy' in, ...but...
same MO, through alp and media has been happening here, ...for a loooong time now....
they have a point, ...but...
maybe... just maybe... 'the left' need to consider why so many people (like me) find them basically unvoteable...
they have actually... through god knows how many assessments and focus groups or whatever... just seems they are incapable of acting upon their findings...
for whatever reason
(too far gone?)
ALP leadership has been a bit wanting, they really need someone to stand up and show a bit more fight. Penny Wong seems to be making more noise than anyone else, hardly ever hear from the leader (is it still Albanese?) Wondering if it's because the media ignores him, or if he's just not doing or saying anything
"Idiotic sentence. What they took to the last election was more ambitious than any Oz govt in 25 years. A last ditch effort of wealth redistribution before the full flush of neolib inequality gets entrenched."
we've been over this stunet, and sorry... I still disagree...
yeh, it had some ambition... but it was half baked and void of sunlight, while shorten bunkered down invisible hoping for an lnp self destruction...
then when their policies were revealed... (exposed) ...they couldn't defend them...
they couldn't sell them
through lack of practice, through some policies clearly not stacking up to scrutiny...
and them thinking they had the election in the bag...
...and now a new election is eminant...
and what do we know of labor's policies?
what will they be taking to the next election?
aside from a flutter with... 'oh coal isn't so bad after all...'
(only to be totally neutralised by scotty from marketings hollow capitulation...) ....totally neutralised....
no one has a clue what they will bring to the next election, which is only months away...
albo bunkered down harder than shorto?
still beavering away?
whatever they are doing, a sniff of policy or agenda, or at least an idea of what they stand for this week would be normal...
but not in contemporary politics
"ALP leadership has been a bit wanting"
geez you're polite...
Outright lies from Morrison and Palmer were the deciding factor, the COALition are always ready with a fear campaign. Wonder what we will get this time that could be worse than four more years of incompetence, unethical behaviour and disastrous diplomacy?
To be fair on Labor, they learned a hard lesson in 2019 and dumped most of those policies that lost them the election.
Albo is even featuring in the Australian quite regularly and has last week made a pitch to the 'aspirationals', accepting wealth generation, rejecting class war politics, promising they will not introduce any carbon pricing, and all while blaming China on deteriorating relationships. He even didn't exclude increasing a defense budget (currently a 2% of GDP bipartisan agreement).
Full article on https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/labors-election-bid-to-...
The text below as it's behind the paywall.
Labor’s election bid to woo back aspirationals
Mistakes won’t be repeated … Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra this week. Picture: Jamila Toderas
Mistakes won’t be repeated … Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra this week. Picture: Jamila Toderas
EXCLUSIVE
SIMON BENSON
POLITICAL EDITOR
9:00PM OCTOBER 29, 2021
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Anthony Albanese has made his pitch to middle Australia, declaring that Labor would go to the election on a platform of creating wealth, appealing to aspirational voters and rejecting the old class-war politics of economic redistribution.
The Opposition Leader has also pledged that there would not be a carbon price imposed to achieve Labor climate change ambitions nor would there be a tax or levy like the Coalition’s previous debt and deficit levy to address the fiscal challenges incurred by the nation’s economic response to the pandemic.
Mr Albanese also blamed Beijing for the breakdown of the relationship between Australia and China, did not rule out lifting defence spending in response to the changed strategic imperatives, and vowed to reform the federation.
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Outlining the pillars upon which Labor’s election platform will be built, Mr Albanese said his agenda would seek to cast off perceptions from the last election that the party was anti-aspirational.
“There was a perception of some of our policies at the last election that allowed us to be an easy target for not supporting aspiration,” Mr Albanese said in an interview with The Weekend Australian.
“I want to be about creating wealth, not just about economic redistribution. We want small businesses to be successful.”
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Mr Albanese revealed that Labor’s election pitch would be built around three themes that he had taken to the caucus in recent weeks: “a better life for working families, more secure work and a future made in Australia”.
Childcare, aged care and social housing would underpin the social agenda, while locally built, trains, trams, buses, and renewables and electrical vehicle components would drive a new local manufacturing base supported though a “buy Australia” policy for government procurement.
“All of it is: how do we make people’s lives better coming out of Covid. By strengthening the economy by giving people opportunities to be lifted up,” he said.
The Labor leader – having told his MPs to prepare for an election as early as December, despite Scott Morrison’s insistence that the government would run its full term – ruled out a carbon price to achieve the party’s 2030 emissions reduction targets, which it is expected to reveal within weeks.
“There will be no price on carbon,” he said. “There is no need to do it. In 2007 what you needed to do was intervene to adjust price because renewables weren’t the cheapest form. Now what we are seeing from this government is a price for carbon, intervening to use taxpayers’ money for the gas plan, for example.
“Now the cheapest form of new energy is renewables. So, you don’t need a price mechanism.”
“At the next election you will have two political parties both with a position of net zero but with us having a genuine commitment to it. Ours will be legislated.”
Mr Albanese moved to head off the Coalition’s attempts to frame Labor as being weak on national security and defence, with both issues likely to be strong campaign themes for the government.
In the strongest language so far from the Opposition Leader on the diplomatic rift with China, Mr Albanese blamed Beijing for the breakdown in the relationship with Australia.
“China needs to change … China is responsible for the breakdown in the relationship and, as I’ve said, the relationship is a difficult one because the relationship in the region is difficult,” Mr Albanese said, prior to the departure of Chinese ambassador Cheng Jingye from Canberra this week.
“China has changed its position. I support the Biden administration’s position effectively, on competition without catastrophe. That means strong diplomacy as well and engagement.
“I’ve said the relationship will remain difficult because we are in an era of strategic competition.
“Where we have been critical is that there would appear to be no relationship at all between Australian government minsters and their ministers.”
Mr Albanese repeated his calls for former prime ministers John Howard and Kevin Rudd to be used in efforts to bring about a diplomatic peace.
“I wrote to (Scott) Morrison suggesting that, and it has been rejected,” he said.
“One of the things I’ve said is climate change would be one of the things that would be important in the alliance, that would be important in terms of the region and diplomacy in the region.
“And that’s one of the reasons why we need to take climate change seriously.”
Mr Albanese left the door open to a Labor government lifting defence spending above 2 per cent of GDP if needed based on the military hardware acquisitions envisaged under the AUKUS deal signed by Australia, the US and the UK last month.
“We have made a bipartisan commitment to 2 per cent, but we won’t waste money either,” Mr Albanese said.
“What has this government got to show after telling us weeks before the announcement of AUKUS, that the submarine program was all on budget, on time, and was all OK?”
Asked if Labor would go beyond the 2 per cent as flagged by the government as being likely, Mr Albanese said: “We will invest what is necessary to keep Australia safe.”
The LNP fear and lies campaign has been up and running on these forums too, seems to be building towards the upcoming election
@sykpan,
Kudos for maintaining this pretense of partisanship, it really has been a long stretch of time, but the ongoing absence of nuance or insight makes it painfully clear you're on your own road to Damascus. Read: conversion to conservatism.
You're anonymous, no-one particularly cares. Just own it.
sypkan wrote:"ALP leadership has been a bit wanting"
geez you're polite...
I'd vote for the thing that got stuck in my crapper this morning ahead of Scumo. At least the turd doesn't stink as bad as Morrison, won't lie to me, won't piss away billions of tax dollars on rorts, and won't leak private text messages from world leaders.
Vote 1. Shitty Mc Shitface. He's better than Scumo.
Thanks for posting Flollo
"@sykpan,
Kudos for maintaining this pretense of partisanship, it really has been a long stretch of time, but the ongoing absence of nuance or insight makes it painfully clear you're on your own road to Damascus. Read: conversion to conservatism.
You're anonymous, no-one particularly cares. Just own it."
but I ain't voting conservative!
that kinda kills that theory
I'll vote for the party that will implement a local manufacturing-based recovery for covid, rather than the party that wants a 'gas powered recovery'
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.