COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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goofyfoot commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 8:50am

"Hotel quarantine is massively under the pump so passenger numbers arriving into Australia have been capped. "

Probably because dickcheese dan didn't do it properly the first time. I'll be happy to never see this guys face again once this is all over

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 9:33am

We get it goofy foot, you don't like Dan Andrews and seem to blame him entirely for the covid outbreak. Sorry mate, but the second wave has many fathers. I will give you a list. 1. the travellers who demanded to come home, especially those who ignored the quarantine rules. 2. Dutton who is the minister in charge of borders. 3. Dan Andrews for not overseeing how hotel quarantine was working. 4 other state premiers for doing the same. 5. security guards 6. security companies for not training and equipping staff, 7. Hotel staff and hotel companies. 8 Morrison for not being on top of his border responsibilities and giving states a mere 24 hours to set up the system of hotel quarantine. 9 Public servants who should have blown the whistle. 10 Police Command who wanted no part of the system.
The reality is, the failure in quarantine was always going to happen because the system was rushed, overstretched from the start, and badly monitored. A second wave could have easily occurred in NSW (they were just as sloppy as Victoria) but they got extremely lucky.
But hey, you just keep pointing the finger at Dan Andrews if that makes you feel better.

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goofyfoot commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 9:49am

“ Victoria rejected ADF offer, Defence Minister says

On Tuesday, Defence Minister Linda Reynolds rejected Mr Andrews' claim that ADF personnel weren't offered, saying the Prime Minister made an offer to all states on March 27.

Senator Reynolds said Victorian authorities responded a day later, advising the state was not seeking ADF assistance with mandatory quarantine arrangements.

"The ADF was consistently advised that its assistance was not required for any 'public facing roles' in Victoria," she said in a statement.

"ADF officials asked whether Victorian authorities required assistance with its mandatory quarantine system on multiple occasions. No request for quarantine support was subsequently received from Victoria at that time."

Is that true or false VL?

I think I’ve got a right to be angry with him VL, he grouped us in with Melbourne, when we had fuck all cases down here and now people have realised he fucked it up from the start.

Your biggest worry in Torquay is stopping “millions” of invading surfers coming down and crowding bells and winky when there were reports of 75 people out there the last few days. Where did they come from?
I noticed you’ve been pretty quiet about that too? All your mates?

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:25am

goofy foot, you're making the massive, massive assumption that ADF personal were A. available at such short notice. B. it was logistically feasible (there's not too many ADF bases in Melbourne) to get them to the hotels. and C. they have the absolute discipline required to prevent transmission.
Sure they would probably be better private security people, but it's not like ADF folk have the training to carry out hotel quarantine safely.
The problem is, you think bringing in ADF people is / was a silver bullet. The NSW experience proves that's absolute rubbish. Also medical professionals have much better training in infection control, and has that stopped them getting infected? Not at all, but you still think ADF people would have prevented the spread. That's delusional.
BTW. I fully understand why MP people are pissed off, especially those in the west of the shire. The reality is borders have to be drawn somewhere. If you were in stage 3, there would be a lot of crew living just south of Frankston (a big hotspot) travelling around the MP. Not sure if you'd really want that situation. MP shire residents had to eat a shit sandwich, and I reckon the one that protects human health was probably the right choice.

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blowfly commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:12am

Thinking a little more broadly:

"The sudden spread of the virus in Victoria might have been an opportunity to engage in wider questioning of the role that insecure work has come to play in our country. Australians rely more on insecure workers than almost any other nation. One in three Australian workers has no access to paid sick leave. But Frydenberg, the day after Andrews raised the issue, dismissed it: “That is not what is driving people’s disobedience in relation to some of the restrictions.” Asked about economic reform, he said, “Well, I can tell you the first cab off the rank will be labour-market flexibility and a continuation of the industrial relations reforms that accompanied the JobKeeper introduction.” While the “flexibility” of our workforce was arguably helping spread the virus, and the parlous conditions faced by millions of Australians – many of them working two jobs – were on display, the government’s response was that flexibility should be increased. "

https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2020/september/1598882400/sean-kelly...

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:12am

I get it we should make our politicians accountable .... accountable for what is their legal / constitutional responsibilities ....

From the comments section of the Age today

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blowfly commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:24am

"I get it we should make our politicians accountable"

We had the chance to hold the COALition responsible for their misery inducing policies last year Guy, but people bought the same old bullshit (with a little help from a big fat fucking bastard). If I was a Labor Party straegist I would be resurrecting the "It's Time" slogan because nothing is more certain than Australia needs a change of direction which will never be provided by the narrow-minded, self-serving bunch of clowns currently in office.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:41am

Border Security, Quarantine and Aged Care all irrefutably Federal Government responsibilities ......... and this from the comments section of Age yesterday ......

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Blowfly, Labor seriously messed up at the last election with their over ambitious policy agenda, Morrison is very clever at avoiding all and any fault, something major has to happen, bigger than Covid, before Labor will win government ... 10-15% unemployed might do it but TooSlow-mo is already blaming Andrews for that!

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sypkan commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:52am

"Thinking a little more broadly:

"The sudden spread of the virus in Victoria might have been an opportunity to engage in wider questioning of the role that insecure work has come to play in our country. Australians rely more on insecure workers than almost any other nation. One in three Australian workers has no access to paid sick leave."

...also an opportunity to enagage wider questioning of why would you exclusively use private companies to do the kind of work the adf are trained to do?

why would you ignore all those state employed adf staff (in full time secure positions I might add) and go with privatised casual untrained workers?

the public service is supposed to be labor's bread and butter. public health is supposedly one of labor's strengths. avoiding the unecceasary privatisation of essential services was once the exclusive domain of the australian labor party

why were all these principles compromised?

answer: bevause they have no principles left.

they sold out on the privatisation of services, and the disgraceful selling off of the country just as much as the liberals have

no principles, no idea, no excuse

but the casualised unprofessional job scabs were 'inclusive'

...a broken ideology...

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blowfly commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:51am

Guy, Labor very nearly won the last election. I don't know why you would think it is impossible for them to win the next. I mean you only get one Clive Palmer in a political career.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 11:02am

All true Blowfly but history tells us the LNP are favoured at a Federal level and Labor at a state level.

Further, the old political adage that oppositions don’t win elections governments lose them ... hence what mistakes does Morrison have to make from here?

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blowfly commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 11:44am

I don’t know where you are Guy but I can tell you around here people haven’t forgotten his peformance during the bushfires, nor his early dismissal of the virus as “…more towards a very bad flu than a deadly virus”. Not to mention the generally poor management of the pandemic that you posted earlier.

As for the future he has numerous challenges which will be made more difficult by the ideology the COALition is committed to. Once the current payments are rolled back there are going to be a lot of people in deep trouble. It is not an exaggeration to say that, depending on how it is done, hundreds of thousands of people could find themselves in poverty.

Given that we are in a recession and likely to stay there for some time, job losses are likely to increase at least until the end of the year. Estimates vary but a further 500,000 is the best estimate. Even those who hold onto a job and manage to resume some sort of normal income will find that they have taken a huge hit on their mortgage and super, if they withdrew from it. This will not make them happy campers.

Apart from ideology, Morrison’s main problems will be his lack of imagination and lack of experience of anything except an extremely safe middle class life. Economic theory, of which he seems to have a poor grasp anyway, will not be enough to make the changes that will be necessary to bring about a full economic recovery. It will require the capacity to think about the lives that people are actually leading and the imagination to develop strategies that will improve them.

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Fliplid commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 11:50am

I’ve already seen one Clive Palmer billboard up in regional Qld for the upcoming election and no doubt there are more around the state, so to think that he won’t unleash another advertising blitz would be wishful thinking at best, particularly when you consider his legal actions against WA and Qld regarding the border closures.

Also the money is still flowing into local government from the last round of pork barrelling so it is pretty much full steam ahead up here.

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JQ commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 11:51am

I think, unfortunately, what will sink the coalition government will be ideological overreach. Just like Howard with work choices, they will get too comfortable. They will push and push to find the limits of what the Australian people - who are much more egalitarian than the Liberals - will tolerate.

Whilst that might rid us of this awful lot, the changes and damage they do will be lasting.

Under a conservative government, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. There's only so far you can push this until the social cohesion of your society breaks down - see the US.

I can only hope compulsory voting and our slightly more sensible and slightly better educated (on average) society might be enough to stop us from storming towards the same cliff edge.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 12:47pm

Yeah Morrison's name should be mud up and down the NSW and Vicco coasts. Labor would have won the last election (it won in Vic and NSW) except for Qld where it was a landslide to the LNP. So it was Palmer's $$, Bob Brown's fuck up, lies about jobs and Adani and the natural ultra conservatism of FNQ that delivered it for the LNP. While I want it to be so it will be hard for Labor to turn that backward looking rump around, perhaps the next state election will be a tester.

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fitzroy-21 commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 12:52pm

"history tells us the LNP are favoured at a Federal level and Labor at a state level."

I'm not so sure the ALP will do all that well in Qld this election. Unions are withdrawing support for the ALP, the very party that are supposed to "support the workers".

And a defining moment, for me, in the lead up to the ALP loss in the last federal election, was Bill being snubbed by "workers" refusing to shake his hand.
And in reality, what has AnAl bought to the table? Granted, he and the ALP have worked well with the current Gov through this COVID. It's actually refreshing to see any opposition working for the best interests of the country rather than consistently just playing politics.
But all this has very little to do with this COVID thread.

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yorkessurfer commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 1:22pm

I’ve just spent a week in Nth Qld and Palmer has anti Labor billboards plastered all over the Bruce Hwy. Blowfly said “I mean you only get one Clive Palmer in a political career.”

What’s to stop him dropping another lazy $80 million at the next federal election? I mean he’s worth over $4 billion dollars? Or perhaps next time it will be Gina‘s turn to dip into her hat? She’s worth $22 billion?

It’s hard to get your head around just how powerful these billionaires are so consider this:

If a single dollar is represented in seconds then a million dollars equals 11 days.

A billion dollars equals 32 years! That’s a hell of a lot of power.

That’s why I rarely bother with these political discussions these days. What’s the point? The dice are loaded against us.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 1:30pm

If the ALP represented Australian workers again Fat Clive and Scotty FM wouldn’t stand a chance. Instead they want to be woke and pander to “ Future Australians “ ie temporary visa holders , potential immigrants and those aiming for PR at the expense of incumbent Aussies.

To wit : The shitstorm when KK suggested less Temporary visa workers even though she had no intention of reducing immigration, just to make it ALL permanent instead of some guest.

I’ve said it hundreds of times , here it is again....I’ll never vote for the LNP but I can’t vote for ALP anymore as they don’t want my vote. If you think I’m the only Australian in this position you probably already work for the ALP.

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blowfly commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 1:32pm

So Dude, what policies do you disagree with?

https://www.alp.org.au/campaigns/

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sypkan commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:10pm

"I’ve said it hundreds of times , here it is again....I’ll never vote for the LNP but I can’t vote for ALP anymore as they don’t want my vote. If you think I’m the only Australian in this position you probably already work for the ALP."

this is what the die hards don't understand, it's been a long and drawn out process labor isolating their traditional voters, and it's the same process in the us and uk

it has happened over decades as they have turned their back on worker's time and time again. focussing on their 'third way' bullshit and the 'global market' model. they decided who they represented decades ago

this has developed into the most overt contempt for their traditional base that we see on here on a daily basis, blowin has shown some great examples of the most nastyness and dismissiveness laden belittlings that a cerrain cohort shows towards certain people

their whole ideology is about hating everything aussie and working class

bob hawke loved australia, and all australians, ...even the grubs. I said on here when he died, that contemporary labor, is its current form, is incapable of this love, this inclusiveness, and thus will be in the political wilderness for years to come, short of another scomo disaster

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 1:46pm

I get it DSDS and sypkan, you have a perception that the ALP are anti-worker, and nothing is going to change that.
What I don't get is WTF you think Hanson is the answer? Being a racist windbag isn't pro-worker. It doesn't create any jobs, in fact it costs them. And the rest of her policies are distinctly anti-working class. She's a grifter without any solutions, and the more working class people feel hard done by, the more likely she is to get back into parliament and stay on the gravy train. Hanson has a vested interest in keep working class people down and making them angry. Her policies and racist statements reflect this.
Just don't expect her to solve any of your woes.

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sypkan commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 1:51pm

I can't stand hanson

she repulses me

but you have the same effect

you both have a massive problem to overcome

..and its got nothing to do with me...

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:15pm

Blindfly.....the entire ALP ideology is built on a neoliberal globalist base. This is inexcusable and unforgivable. The rest of their policies are fiddling at the margins and of no real consequence.

Go read the Rolling Stone article posted by Freeride do see what globalism has already done to the nation in which it was conceived , initiated and refined .

The author of the piece may be gloating about the state of Canada He fails to mention that Canada is on the same trajectory as the US , only twenty years behind due to its later adoption. Wait until it’s had another twenty years of being reduced to an individualistic, balkanised economic zone before bereft if an sovereign identity till judgements on the US are passed down.

Australia will be right there alongside Canada . As will be all the other Western nations embarking on the neoliberal globalisation project.

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factotum commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:15pm

"Their whole ideology is about hating everything aussie and working class

bob hawke loved australia, and all australians, ...even the grubs. I said when he died, that contemporary labor is its current form is incapable of this love, this inclusiveness, and thus will be in the political wilderness for years to come short of another scomo disaster."

Wowee, Sepp! That is some full (fly?) blown codswallop. By even your rapidly diminishing standards.

What happened??

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fitzroy-21 commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:16pm

Vic, why the fuck would you think that people that don't like the LNP and have lost faith with the ALP would go for Hanson? That just defies logic.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:19pm

I'm actually genuinely intrigued now sypkan. If you don't vote Lib, Lab, or Hanson, and are proudly working class focussed, that doesn't leave too many options. Palmer's United Australia Party must be out, and I'm tipping you're not a big fan of the Greens for the same reasons you don't like the ALP.
The only options that remain are tiny micro-parties or independents (who usually have a few screws loose).
Your pro worker attitude suggests Socialists Alliance while the rest of your political philosophy screams "Australia First" or some other fringe crackpot organisation. Oh to be a fly on the wall in your voting booth!
Fitzroy, go back and have a look at sypkan's posts. They scream angry right winger who needs someone to blame. It closely resembles Hanson's schtick.

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blowfly commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:22pm

".....their whole ideology is about hating everything aussie and working class"

Stop it! Please mate, I am now officially in pain from laughing so hard, I think my diaphragm is cramping up. The ALP hate the working class and the COALition....ha ha ha....just love little Aussie battlers
......which is why they have systematically attacked them across the board., Job security? Gone for a large percentage of the workforce. Fair wages? No chance! Aged care? Screwed by privatisation. Child care? Only if you can afford it. Health care? Being rapidly privatised. Welfare? Below poverty level …unless you’re an OAP with a stack of assets, then they will gladly top up your income.
But if you are already wealthy, let’s see what we have: “franking credits”, “capital gains tax concessions”, “negative gearing” and “private-health-insurance rebates”, Yahoo more money for the wealthy and nothing for the worker.

Keep it coming slyppery, but wait a while so I can recover my composure and maybe just check that your arse isn’t on backwards before your next post.

And look I'll save you the trouble:

I'm a boomer and I'm OK!

Alright millennial? Or gen Xer....or Yer ...or whatever.

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sypkan commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:21pm

he don't do logic

or context

or grey

or nuance

your assumptions are just misrrable and astounding viclocal

...broken goods

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sypkan commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:23pm

didn't mention COALition

one track minds...

assumptions...

assertions...

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 2:26pm

".....their whole ideology is about hating everything aussie and working class"
Hey blowfly, sypkan is right. We Labor types use to go to the pub on Friday afternoons. Now we just gather together, drink foreign beer, send out instruction manuals on how to steal wages, burn the Aussie flag and then piss on the ashes.
I reckon sypkan must be looking through the narrow street level window to our bunker and is onto us. That, or someone leaked the memo.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 6:30pm

"I’ve said it hundreds of times , here it is again....I’ll never vote for the LNP but I can’t vote for ALP anymore as they don’t want my vote. If you think I’m the only Australian in this position you probably already work for the ALP."

That's the comment that everyone should be focusing on. It explains all sorts of stuff that's gone on, most recently the falling of the red wall in the UK, which is absolutely stunning in historical context. The core native working classes have copped the short end of the stick from both parties; whether it be the declining living and working conditions that blowfly points out, or the sheer replacement and guilt politics that DSDS illuminates. Whoever can appeal to them (save local jobs, encourage and not eviscerate local industry and primary production, stop attacking them for being who they are) and wrap this into a cohesive package, will win. Speak on this thread with you all after the USElection and legal challenges lol

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 7:23pm

Good analysis VJ.
non-tertiary educated people swing elections across English speaking western countries.
NZ and Canada still have centrist governments with very little corruption.
Australia, GB, and the USA have seriously corrupt right wing governments that are undermining hard won democratic norms.
Ardern and Trudeau basically appeal to the middle classes hopes while Trump, Scumo, and Bojo play on working / middle class fears, much of it being deeply xenophobic. These three then sell out the working / middle class with policies that undermine their educational and economic opportunities.
Elections in these three nations are usually close and they are won and lost based on enough people falling for the slick dog whistling. Clive Palmer swung the last election in Australia, and that bloke is a working class villain.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 7:32pm

The Covid-19 Tremor Wave...(Pre - Pandemic Head dip)

1985 AAHL (East Geelong) is regarded as #1 Animal Bio Lab in the World
CSIRO Bat Pack Stadium is worth $1.2b minimum replacement value.
http://www.bohointeractive.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_7243-1024x682.jpg
OZ partners mostly with (Bio diverse) China WIV as does US brewery.
Only these 3 Labs can brew & contain a Coronavirus.(Illegal for Cheaper Labs)
Note our Lab is surrounded by water...Yeah! Team Bat Pack!
https://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/crop/frm/ya3tPqPRXYVuem2wchin...

Wang set up OZ Bat Lab for Chinese Bat Lady Shi & (Igor) Zhou to set up > WIV
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261201/Australia-funded-Chines...
China part ignores WIV Lab 'Wet Market' animal trade, to help fund experiments!
https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-...
Aug/2019 [ UCAM ] ungodly Chimp Chimeras is Key ingredient to Bat brew & Vax.
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/31/inenglish/1564561365_256842...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/aug/03/first-human-monkey-chime...

Most of the science world opposed chimera research...but China allowed it!
Chimp Chimera is almost Human, so can spike many corona/viruses to Humans.
Monkey - chimera is dangerous due to increased wild nature and scratching.
Just one viral monkey scratching a Human (Common) can start an outbreak.
This was reported...if only to cover up viral Wet Market animal trade Lab links.

Most Wet Market traders have long built up immunity + ( Cooking kills lab virus!)
All it takes is for a new trader to butcher a spiked Chimera > To start a Pandemic.
A simple wipe to the nose..."So why is the new Guy Coughing all the time?"

28 Oct -1 Nov 2019 Melbourne
9th annual ABSANZ Biosecurity and Biocontainment Conference
https://www.absanz.org.au/education-training/2019-annual-conference/tours/

25 Nov 2019 Politics - Lib's Chinese want a wing in CSIRO Bio Tech Hub.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/multimillion-dollar-offer-from-allege...

Late Nov 2019 (Letter 11 March 2020 by Georgina J/ Postdoctoral fellow at CSIRO)
"We first come across Covid-19 in Late Nov' (Under Chinese Secrecy)
This virus has the potential to be most serious!

CSIRO sent definitive measures for PM & Health Minister to protect Australia.

Pause: Did the viral Tip off come from :
1. Conference / 2. Lib Spy / 3. WIV Lab Partners / 4 New Wet Market Butcher.
Scomo's sheep all dead set reckon the New Guy ended the World on his own!

[factcheck] At time of CSIRO March letter (WHO Wuhan 1st case was 31/Dec)

Partner's Tip off confirms WIV Lab's inside role in 'early' Wet Market cases.
Wuhan Hospital can't clock earlier cases so who else can spot their own virus?
Explains why serious nature of CSIRO's partner's Tip became a Govt Directive.
If not a Hospital, then only a Govt Lab can verify such rumour as a Pandemic.
Meaning the outbreak came from the WIV Lab then onto the Market > Pandemic.

Nov 2019 CSIRO first recommendations was to stop inbound / outbound travel.

PM ignored CSIRO recommendations.
"PM placed Airlines / Mining revenue above Science and protection of citizens!"

By Dec- Oz CSIRO had cultured their own brew to better enable treatments.
https://medium.com/@narelleford/wednesday-post-da60561dfa40

PM adopted Social Crowding of 1.5m (25% less than standard 2m others 2,5m)

20 March - Only after Covid-19 cases & death had taken hold in ALL Oz states.
Now some 4 months after CSIRO serious directive...
After 710 cases + 6 dead does the PM ban inbound Flights.

PM plagued cities with P&O hotel chains + Viral Schools & Nursing Homes
Ever arguing for borders,Schools,Footy to open & spread the virus further / faster!
COVIDSafe APP was another scam to bring people together & reopen Footy.

End of the World Doom merchants firing up their 2nd coming conversions!
If not that...then why does our PM care least for Australian Lives?

Back to the CSIRO beginning
https://www.smh.com.au/national/building-a-vaccine-how-advanced-are-scie...

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troppo dichotomy commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 9:02pm

I still remember the CSRIO accidental Calicivirus/Myxomatosis outbreak/escape in South Oz.

Kinda freaked me out that the gov would be meddling in germ warfare.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 9:47pm

VJ.....well said , mate.

Don’t worry , some of us weren’t so stupid that we misinterpreted it completely.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:26pm

Vj & DSDS, how do you guys sit with changes to the workplace and traditional working class jobs caused by automation and technology? What about how for example how, much to my personal disappointment, Australians voted with their wallets and stopped buying Australian made cars?

Where is the line drawn and where does progress need to stop, if at all.

I remember seeing an interview with a late 30s - mid 40s miner from FNQ either just before or just after the last election. His basic message was he should not be expected to retrain as he only knows mining so he was in favour of Adani going ahead. Is that sort of attitude okay in your books?

Genuine questions, I’m not wading through the past comments here, just see the world changes every second so what’s Labor to do right in your books to re-earn your votes?

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 5:15am

Guy ....first and foremost the ALP needs to reject the mass immigration model used by Capital to pit workers against each other. Then they need to abandon their complicity in neoliberalism . Their pursuit of privatisation is straight up disgraceful.

Not too sure how accepting our US overlords will feel about all that though.....

As far as the redundancies through automation and evolution of industry goes , that’s the same as it ever was. People need to change with the times and re- train in other capacities which are more appropriate in our changing world. This needs community , and therefore government support. People may not like it but that’s life. The only way forward is to give them as much help as we can instead of berating them as being throwbacks. Change can be scary. These people are not our enemies, they work hard and this has helped our nation . They don’t deserve to be abandoned and there’s no future in having such a broad swathe of Australians cast on the scrap heap.

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yorkessurfer commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 7:42am

Your second paragraph about our US overlords pretty much sums up the conundrum Labor find themselves in Dude.

Caught up with a family I know in Mackay on my recent journey north. Mate was away working in one of the coal mines so we had lunch with his misses and three kids at the marina.
Mackay is a nice clean relatively affluent city and it’s obvious the money from the coal mines is a big reason for that.

It’s naive for anyone to think that a city like Mackay can just repurpose itself away from the coal dollar without basically destroying the cities economy and the lives of its residents.

Meanwhile the guardian has an article on Clive’s plans for the upcoming Queensland state election. Looks like the ‘P’ in LNP might stand for Palmer if the Labor government goes down?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/31/clive-palmer-comp...

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blowfly commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 8:16am

"It’s naive for anyone to think that a city like Mackay can just repurpose itself away from the coal dollar without basically destroying the cities economy and the lives of its residents."

In Mackay coal mining employs 1641 people 8.5% of the workforce

https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/cens...

Employment in coal mining is declining and will continue to decline as it becomes less able to compete economically with alternative fuels as well as for environmental reasons. At 8.5% of the workforce, Mackay should already be planning for that. Taking a wider perspective:
“Coal mining currently employs around 20,000 people in Queensland. This has fallen from a highpoint of 30,000 in 2013. There are 2.36 million people in work in Queensland.”
https://www.tai.org.au/content/facts-jobs-coal-and-queensland

So despite all the fat bastard's efforts to make it appear that coal mining is a major employer. It is not. It is a declining marginal industry. Given the well justified high wages in the industry, those currently employed would be well advised to make hay while the sun shines.......but give some thought to retraining for the long term.

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 8:24am

"In Mackay coal mining employs 1641 people 8.5% of the workforce"

Plus all the business and employees that service other aspects of mining and then the flow on effect to the local business/economy.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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blowfly commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 8:41am

Yes Indo, which is why I said that Mackay needs to be plannng for the inevitable. Employment in coal mining has already declined over 30% in Queensland. The writing is on the wall. And that is in the context of massive fossil fuel subsidies.

"The International Monetary Fund, for example, estimates Australia provides US$29 billion each year to the fossil-fuel industry."

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GuySmiley commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 8:53am

DSDS ... thanks, can't disagree with anything you say in that post nor could most reasonable thinking people.
YS ... your example about Mackay is interesting and I ask the rhetorical question what makes essentially provincial towns like Mackay so special they need to be protected from the harsh realities of economics and technological change. Well of course the answer is they aren't special they are just being played for cheap political purposes. What Blowfly said about coal being in (terminal .. my addition) decline.

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Vic Local commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 10:32am

GS. The coal sector isn't in terminal decline. The thermal coal sector is, but the coking coal sector has a reasonable short - medium term future. That of course is for the companies, not the workers who will largely be replaced as automation takes over.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Patrick commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 11:59am

Senior doctors across Melbourne are urging politicians not to support a state of emergency extension, saying the move threatens to “destroy” the health and wellbeing of fed-up Victorians.

“We now know that whilst COVID-19 is highly contagious, it is of limited virulence.”

“Most of the 565 deaths have occurred in nursing homes which according to doctors currently working in this environment have described causal factors related not only to the virus but to other care related issues, including isolation, loneliness, and related diminished nutritional intake.”

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/victorian-docto...

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Patrick commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 12:04pm

Kiwi epidemiologist said similar:

Epidemiologist: Covid not as dangerous as the fear mongering

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-mcivor-mornings/audio/gerhard-...

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 4:59pm

Guy: "Vj & DSDS, how do you guys sit with changes to the workplace and traditional working class jobs caused by automation and technology? What about how for example how, much to my personal disappointment, Australians voted with their wallets and stopped buying Australian made cars?"

Will try to stay out of the politics until after USElection (thought it was the other thread!) but I will reply. No reason why a working class job can't be skilled and involved in high end automation, either. For example, you may have a machine/program that can cut out things 10x more effectively, but without a skilled staff member with (these days) both the hardware and software skills (and troubleshooting too) of the machine, your output might be pretty ordinary. Even how to line things up takes a bit of skill. It might have been something that took 10x the people, but in the right policy framework (supporting value-adding, reducing cost to produce in terms of stuff like RE price/rent prices, encouraging some risk) no reason why the working class jobs can't be high tech either. Have a look to the defence industry which is booming at present to see where some of that assembly tech is going.
I miss Aussie cars too. Take a squizz at the RAM ute conversions to see Australian factory input, they're up some of the highest % gains in sales, year on year, too. Done in Port Melbourne I think.

Edit: extra for GS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOCILCfDo5A

Quantum's "The Holden Story". Go to 13:30 or so, you see they were getting 93 different models and makes off the one basic frame in the 30's; the Australian way of manufacture can't be the same as the rest of the world, our situation is unique and requires a unique approach. The whole doco is pretty good tbh

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 7:12pm

Coal - ABC [ factcheck ]
Feds Claim -54,000 employed in ( Thermal Coal )

*Labour Account 2017-18 - 38,100 (Total Coal ) ABS actual verified published
* Prof' Phillips (Centre of Social Research ) > A little Higher (Sept '19)

Labour Force 2018-19 - 52,600 ( Total Coal ) Not reliable stats.
Feb 2019 - 48,000 employed in 92% Black Coal -(Mostly Qld & NSW)

2016-17 - Thermal (Electricity) 262mT (58%) / Metallurgical (Steel) 186mT (42%)
2017-18 - Thermal (Electricity) 267mT (60%) / Metallurgical (Steel) 183mT (40%)

Little to no difference in Labour for either & no breakdown...
No State or Mine breakdown as Mines vary several coal stream outputs / Workers.
Thermal Coal employment estimate: (Accurate) 21,000 > 29,000

So what's this got to do with Surfing? Bugz Paratroop drop into WSR.
Qld 24,000 CFMEU walked out saying ALP no longer represent them..
Qld state Labor membership is around 10,000...
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/secret-labor-report...

Miners joined Farmers to fight off Green Xtinction Zombies invading Qld Towns.
https://1v1d1e1lmiki1lgcvx32p49h8fe-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/u...
Or maybe that was a Pandemic SD drill ?

April / May 2019 (Poll- 120,000) Qld Coal supporter Base
CBD Y25% N56% / Burbs Y32% N51% / Region Y38% N49% / Farm Y48% N38%

However Murdochtrination is near complete in Qld vs (ABC can't cover regions)
Murdoch creeps facebook & twitter for whitewash of Qldurrz thought waves.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/05/20/news-corp-queensland-federal-election/

news poll Labor 49%
ALP leaders stack more VIP Coal munching candidates for Union heavy seats.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/22/queensland-labor-...

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 7:22pm

Wow TBB
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/cfmeu-rejects-dumbe...

In a similar vein to the above working class not being represented topic:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8677841/6-Minnesota-Democrat-ma...

now back to corona for me

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Patrick commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 8:14pm

The Lancet

"Impacts of COVID-19 on childhood malnutrition and nutrition-related mortality

"The unprecedented global social and economic crisis triggered by the COVID-19 pandemic poses grave risks to the nutritional status and survival of young children in low-income and middle-income countries (LMICs). Of particular concern is an expected increase in child malnutrition, including wasting, due to steep declines in household incomes, changes in the availability and affordability of nutritious foods, and interruptions to health, nutrition, and social protection services."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31647-0/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR2_veF5ZbzTGVdiQxUVDtdwSTpIzp7kBQzrAx1XGSiJq6AF-axezu5DpTg

You have to copy and paste the link into your browser to bring up the paper, I think the string of characters is too long for swellnet site to link it properly.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 4 Sep 2020 at 12:30am

PM Scomo :" The Vaccine will be Mandatory."
https://www.3aw.com.au/scott-morrison-expects-covid-19-vaccine-will-be-a...

PM ordered 100 million Amazon Steak Knives for AstraZeneca Dinner Box!

Karen Andrews : We made it clear! Cutlery is Mandatory with the Vax.
https://www.2gb.com/confirmed-mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-on-the-table/

Oz faithful throw up the 1960's Dutch aborted fetus spiked with evil twin monkey flu.
Strewth Mate! Rather go a XXXX brew than Scomo's Pommie VB!
https://tatimes.com.au/church-leaders-ask-for-alternative-vaccine/

PM says that's fear mongering as the aborted fetus tastes fresher, maybe 1973.

[ factcheck ] Catholic Church pay AstraZeneca to do their ungodly work in China.
Catholic Church act as if they're startled...Church funded the unethical Monkey Chimera.

PM : "Anyhow! No one's saying it's mandatory.
Religion will win a Vax exemption as they're not related to Primates.
https://www.2gb.com/prime-minister-rejects-compulsory-covid-19-vaccine/

AZD1222 Coronavirus Vax is (ChAdOx1) Commonly known as Chimpanzee Flu!
Turns out Humans are now resistant to all Antibiotics...
Old World primate booster won't hurt a bit!

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/azd1222-sars-cov-2-vaccine
Note that AZD1222 is a 'Chimeric' Brew (Meaning, the stronger consumes it's twin)
Scientists usually inject into Kidneys cells to re-feed host for super spiking potent kick...
This so called weak Chimpanzee flu becomes Man Flu Strength suitable for Mankind.
tbb: Tip! Don't go sneezing too loudly down at the Zoo...you might not go home alone.

tbb can't reveal the Covid -19 Spike...Scomo's inquiry prepared an answer for that!

Department of Health Video for Scomo's AZD1222 Lab Test Primates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tRayIhKCtE
https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSsydney/videos/562316137779836/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo