COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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sypkan commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:29pm

"'That's real kind of you neighbour dave, just what tbb needed...enjoyed that

Just adding to what indo-dreaming just posted...another WHO dilemma?

Quite a few Aussies are running trials with common known drugs.

All here know of Backpackers Hydroxychloroquine for Malaria.

Jan/Feb 2020 WHO initially supported that drug for prevention of covid.
tbb reported at the time how cheap & easy it was to get!

18 May 2020 Trump is hooked on it & The stuff flies off the shelves.
2 April -Feds Frontline Health staff ward off Covid with HC as a makeshift defence.
7 April Oz/Qld Health banned the sale of it..via Emergency Act.
You can bet they Stock Piled their warehouse with it!
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-h...

21 April 2020 Qld Uni-11 hospitals / Oz Govt / Pratt / NZ trial for 2,500
Using - HC (Prevention) + HIV drug Lopinavir-Ritonavir (used mostly in Recovery)
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-to-join-...

23 April -Clive swears by it & donates 33m doses to The Feds.
A good few Oz Pathologies / Unis are running HC trials with Big US Pharm...

30 July -Oxford + WHO-WIV (Silent Slave Partner)-US Corp Remdesivir.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7156563/
Remdesivir is Covid -19 Prototype to Oxford -Wuhan Vax
WHO says Oz must use $$$ Remdesivir > Doherty stops HC + LR trials.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/price-for-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-set....

Recap - Oz Health use HC for protection ( LR + Rem' save 4 days recovery in ICU)
WHO 'now' only push the Bat Lab's -Rem'(Bin the cheap stuff, please!)
https://www.9news.com.au/world/price-for-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-set....

2 Aug Hydroxy War
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-08-01/hydroxychloroquine-corona...

7 Aug -National Taskforce bins the cheap backpacker drug.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/do-not-use-hydroxychloroquine-...

Nope! Not the end of it...Staff seem to feel safer with it...

21 Aug Vic Trial begins for (100 Heath Workers)
https://www.goondiwindiargus.com.au/story/6889394/vic-trial-of-malaria-d..."

....and the whole news media entertainment industrial complex disgraced themselves and squandered their last withering bit of credibility trying to discredit the drug

...all because trump suggested it may be helpful for corona...

then went on to censor the whole fucking internet!

the whole bloody thing!

unfuckingbelievable

and some wonder why people no longer have faith in institutions

and why conspiracy theories are flourishing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-pro...

the whole bloody system has shamed itself, starting with the once perenial good guys at the WHO

scary times

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:07pm
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Patrick commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 11:59pm

"Epidemiologist: Covid not as dangerous as the fear mongering.

"Gerhard Sundborn, epidemiologist at University of Auckland and member of the Covid Plan B group, called into Kerre McIvor Mornings with his thoughts on the Government's Covid response."
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-mcivor-mornings/audio/gerhard-...

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sypkan commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 11:57pm
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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 12:04am

"Epidemiologist: Covid not as dangerous as the fear mongering"

I reckon pretty much the whole world knows that

even the shouty shouty ones, who are now just saving face

how we walk back from the media induced madness will be what makes or breaks us...

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inzider commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 9:49am

Got a mate who is a NZ citizen who has lived in OZ for the best part of ten years. Has run about 4 busineses in that time, has filed tax returns every year. Has an OZ missus. Got stuck in NZ during lockdown. Applied to come back to OZ with all supporting documents asked of him by OZ immigration.
Denied. Cant go back to his house business and missus in oz. Maybe he should say hes a chinese student?
The Scomo govt is a disgrace to the ANZAC spirit.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 10:14am

ALP backs the plan.

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Pops commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 11:39am

Yeah, that's not a vaccine sypkan, rather a potential treatment (that hasn't yet been proved effective). But interesting that Trump's felt the need to announce something... maybe aimed at the postal/early voters?

I'm still calling a vaccine announcement* some time in October - close enough to polling day that it's still reasonable fresh.

(*Again, whether a vaccine is ready or not)

He who hesitates is lost

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 12:09pm

yeh, I was stretching it a bit, like trump is...

he needed some good news

probably yet to pull the vaccine card

no doubt along with another 'october surprise'

looking forward to that one, maybe a big time hunter corruption scandal, in china, including a sex tape, with kamala, filmed by xi

thats probably a bit mild in the current climate, but something like that...

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:04pm

good vid, good topic, good info., really good info... on a well overdue topic...

and a good stoush ...well one side of it, ...one participant wasn't very dignified at all, ...rude, disrespectful and rabid, ....triiiiggggeeered!

maybe a lesson for some on here

winning

like cnn

https://mobile.twitter.com/covid19crusher/status/1290792165950599168

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Vic Local commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:03pm

sypkan, what did I tell you about evaluating sources? See, normal intelligent people go to peer reviewed scientists with actual names for reliable medical information. You on the other hand, go to some anonymous person, who goes by the name covid19crusher, on twitter.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:06pm

the vid monorail, the vid, the vid ain't crusher...

enough with the no platform bullshit

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:11pm

the scientist

"listen to the scientist"

I think you'll find he's credentialed enough

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Vic Local commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:20pm

Oh the vid? I see you're doing your resurch on YouTube again. What did I tell you about evaluating sources?
On the one hand you've got scientists doing peer-reveiwed studies, releasing them in academic papers, and concluding that hydroxy-chloroquine is not an effective treatment for Covid 19, on the other hand you've got someone who is going on social media to argue his case. Who to believe?

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Vic Local commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:39pm

sypkan, yes he's a scientist but his opinions are very much the outlier re hydroxychloroquine. It's pathetic that you choose to believe one bloke while ignoring all the other experts who have a very different opinion on this topic.
You never look at the totality of evidence and then draw a conclusion. You're reverse engineering this. You have a conclusion and then look for the evidence to support it while ignoring the experts who contradict your position. Do you ever wonder why hydroxy-chloroquine is not used widely? Unlike you, governments don't have the luxury of picking the scientists they want to believe. They need to make informed decisions not just quote some bloke hocking his ideas on YouTube.
You really are an idiot sypkan.

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Patrick commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:45pm

Thanks for the link Sypkan. I've watched the first video. Here it is.

Dr Harvey Risch, Professor of Epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health.

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 8:52pm

wow, ...just wow!

rock on one track

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factotum commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 9:06pm

"Yeh, I was stretching it a bit, like trump is..."

Forget Biden, we've got Sleepy Sepp!

The cognitive decline over the journey has been stark and a bit tragic.

Then again, comedy is just tragedy plus time.

So keep it coming, arse-clown.

Trump lulz trump Trump-love.

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 9:20pm

haven't you guys got anything but your no platform bullshit?

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 9:15pm

seriously, the world ain't an either / or

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Vic Local commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 9:18pm

"no platform bullshit"?
What are you talking about idiot? Nobody has said anything remotely about taking away your platform. Sypkan, you're absolutely free to embarrass yourself without any form of censorship. You've been doing it all day, and it's looking highly likely, you'll be embarrassing yourself again tomorrow.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 9:29pm

ok, I'll explain it monorail

all you do is attack the person, the source, the idea, the concept, you never discuss the issue

the issue is science is saying that the science has changed, as we have new information. that's science...

that science may be inconvenient, but that doesn't mean we ignore it, warp it, and censor it, that would be unscientific

simple as that

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Vic Local commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 10:00pm

Oh please sypkan, The science on hydroxy chloroquine is settled after medical trials showed it does not help in the treatment of Covid 19. If it did, this very common drug would be used around the world in treating patients. There's literally thousands of scientists who have been researching the effectiveness of Hydroxy-Chloroquine and very few of them are saying it's an effective treatment.
But you ignore all that and find one scientist who agrees with your pre-conceived conclusion. Can't you see that you are reverse engineering this? You have a conclusion and then look for the evidence to support it, while ignoring evidence that contradicts your position. That's not how science works mate.
I'm not censoring you at all. I'm just mocking you for being a complete idiot.

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batfink commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 11:28pm

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.“...and the whole news media entertainment industrial complex disgraced themselves and squandered their last withering bit of credibility trying to discredit the drug

...all because trump suggested it may be helpful for corona...”

Really sypkan? Do you believe that all theses scientists lined up to discredit hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it may be helpful?

His recommendation was quite a bit stronger than that, but is that what you believe?

And do you believe that there is some wide conspiracy across the elites of the world that is doing everything to discredit Trump?

Can you not see how you have already made up your mind and now just seeks out views that confirm your pre-conceived notions, largely fed to you by things you have read on the internet? Can’t you see that?

Do you really believe that you are one of the chosen ones with this elite knowledge? Do you recognise that you are that exact elite person that you have such antipathy towards? Does your cognitive dissonance ever make your brain explode?

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 1:09am

BLS4 upgrade...
Gates Oxford / Wuhan Corona Chimpanzee Vaccine needs Zoonosis BLS4 Labs.
In short an animal Lab with Wet Market or Zoo + Bio hazard everything...

Who's Who of WHO could start a Pandemic?
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/WHO-WHE-CPI-2018.40-eng%20(1).pdf

WHO BLS4 (Animal) Labs - [ Oz / China / US ] ...(That's it...tbb was gobsmacked?)

(Only these 3 Nations can brew a Covid -19 Pandemic) No Bullshit.
Export forbids US/OZ access to Spike animals. (Possums & Raccoons go close!)
A spike needs similar DNA & rich fast metabolism..(Chimera-rhesus macaque)
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/full-body-young-male-natural-wild-rhesus...
Only China (Mainland) has a choice of many suitable > Hosts +Vessels +Spikes
https://www.neprimateconservancy.org/rhesus-macaque.html

The very reason WHO granted Wuhan WIV BLS 4 < > Wet Market access.
Worldly traders bike yer Spike & collect yer Covid-19 freak for market. (It's the Law)
Chinese Law insists all experiments must be on sold thru market to pay yer way!
Not only WHO knows this..but every World virus scientist & trade Pollie knows it.
Trump was hushed up & Scomo told the biggest lie ever in World history.

tbb is not gonna say it, cause the world knows where & how the virus started...

Bat Shit Crazy Brewline thru last 10 years....
Qld > CSIRO > China > Corona DNA > US [+] Drug > Spain Spike [ WIV ] Covid-19

Vax Brewing timeline simply reverses...
WIV China Vax > UK > Spain > Gates > US > Oz = Covid -19 Vax.

Nope! Never forgot the lesser Evil Empires (UK/France re: via Wuhan Partners)
BLS3 (Animal) Labs - Spain / Swiss / Denmark / NZ / Argentina / Brazil + ( US x 2)

BLS4 Covid -19 Wuhan Partners.
(eg: UK / Spain / France) Get rights to distribute the Gates Monkey Vax.
Lazy Countries that never brewed any Pandemic must go to the back of the line.

BLS3 can pay (Gates-WHO) to ramp BLS4 cred...to hang with hairy cousins.
Political favour or financial, can't say, only know, yer pretty fucked without a BLS4.

tbb is guessing Lizard People prefer house proud Chimps to messed up Humans?
Kinda hopin' the Chimp booster will get tbb back in the lineup...

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 2:44am

"Oh please sypkan, The science on hydroxy chloroquine is settled after medical trials showed it does not help in the treatment of Covid 19."

oh is it? I thought science was ever evolving, trial and error. covid being such a 'novel' virus I imagine we have quite a way to go with research

"If it did, this very common drug would be used around the world in treating patients. There's literally thousands of scientists who have been researching the effectiveness of Hydroxy-Chloroquine and very few of them are saying it's an effective treatment."

research is ongoing, currently trials in oz, oz has a relatively uncorrupted conservative science process, if we are researching it, there must be something there, we don't shoot in the dark, may turn out fruitless, may not.

"But you ignore all that and find one scientist who agrees with your pre-conceived conclusion. Can't you see that you are reverse engineering this? You have a conclusion and then look for the evidence to support it, while ignoring evidence that contradicts your position."

well that's just bullshit, if anything my preconceived conclusion was it probably does nothing, maybe helps with the symptons, I have an open mind. you, one track, are like cnn dude, you cannot even hear a word the doctor is saying because you are so hyperventalated, its shows in your post, you've taken in nothing the doctor has said about some of the trial processes

"That's not how science works mate.
I'm not censoring you at all. I'm just mocking you for being a complete idiot."

again, really? only one idiot here mate, you display it again and again with your hubris and arrogance, living breathing dunning-kruger, you need to chill out, big time, for you, not me

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 2:39am

"Really sypkan? Do you believe that all theses scientists lined up to discredit hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it may be helpful?

His recommendation was quite a bit stronger than that, but is that what you believe?"

no, not at all, I think the media had a full spaz attack and jumped on board too wholehearedly on the initial doctors info. months ago, its inconclusive, always has been, we will see

"And do you believe that there is some wide conspiracy across the elites of the world that is doing everything to discredit Trump?"

well yeh, where you been the last four years? russiagate?

"Can you not see how you have already made up your mind and now just seeks out views that confirm your pre-conceived notions, largely fed to you by things you have read on the internet? Can’t you see that?"

I haven't made my mind up, so the rest don't stand up, see above

"Do you really believe that you are one of the chosen ones with this elite knowledge? Do you recognise that you are that exact elite person that you have such antipathy towards? Does your cognitive dissonance ever make your brain explode?"

no not at all, I just think I'm pretty good at looking at things objectively. no superpowers, just good ol' objectivity - a dying skill it seems... cnn dude and friends just show that they are in such a heightened state that they are totally incapable of taking in new information. constantly repeating his one line over the top of the doctor, and not hearing a single point the doctor made. his mind was made up, no inquiry, no objectivity whatsoever, didn't even give it a try. but it is cnn...

the interview was a trainwreck, the interviewer a disgrace. that's not journalism, he barely let the guy talk

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 7:42am

I'm hearing you Syp- try and keep an open mind, look at things objectively, introduce alternatives, explore those alternatives, confirm, rebut, reconsider, concede, reinforce, question but no mate, you're fucking wrong and that's that and i'll scream it at you until you agree with ME. And i'll hurl a couple of names at you for good measure cause it makes me feel superior and look smart.

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blowfly commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 8:20am

“I'm hearing you Syp- try and keep an open mind, look at things objectively, introduce alternatives, explore those alternatives, confirm, rebut, reconsider, concede, reinforce, question but no mate, you're fucking wrong and that's that and i'll scream it at you until you agree with ME. And i'll hurl a couple of names at you for good measure cause it makes me feel superior and look smart.”

Except he does none of these things. He posts material from unreliable sources about important issues and sticks by it when evidence from authoritative sources is quoted to prove him wrong. In short, he and the million others like him on social media, are the enemies of free speech. They are the reason why Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and many other sites have taken to deleting the kind of stuff sypkan regularly posts.

You can complain about this but the reality is that once misinformation reaches a level which threatens public health and good order, then web sites have a moral, if not legal, responsibility to act. I have posted links that demonstrate the origin of much of this material is Russia and other national actors. Their intention is to undermine good governance in western nations and they have been very succesful in achieving this.

sypkan seems to have swallowed the agenda whole. All sources have equal validity…except those that come from the “elites”. ….you know the government departments set up to manage complex areas like health, and the universities in which specialists spend their entire working lives studying the issues under discussion. In other words believe anyone except those most likely to know

So go on elevating ignorance above knowledge and emotion above thought. Go on believing the first thing that crosses your facebook page in the morning. Go on asserting your right to spead misinformation about public health. Go on being irresponsible, careless and egotistical, because that’s what it is in the end. The fragile ego clinging to something that they think makes them look clever, when in the end it simply debases them and brings them low.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 8:41am

zenagain: I'm not screaming at sypkan until he agrees with me. The bloke is not for changing.
I'm mocking him so his dangerous ideas don't get traction. When nutters like him start promoting HQ, there are consequences. Firstly people stockpile this drug creating shortages for normal use. Secondly, there are side effects when taking HQ, and thirdly and most importantly, this myth that HQ is an effective drug to treat Covid 19, means "believers" are even slacker with social distancing.
Nobody can convince sypkan he's wrong, but it's very important to convince others that sypkan is talking absolute shit.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 8:46am

Ok, could I very kindly ask you to direct me to anything at all that states unequivocally that research and its efficacy in treating the novel corona virus has ceased and will not be pursued in the future.

Also, as another specific, the best and brightest academic, legal and law-enforcement minds arguably in the world can not 100% pin Russian influence on the outcome of the last US election. Unlike Syp and yes you are right, I can be persuaded but my low intellect and fragile ego leaves me with questions.

And again, your condescension leaves me cold.

At least you didn't call me a moron this time, i'll give you that.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 8:51am

Vic, a specialist in the field of concern in one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world is shouted down by a journalist.

He posted the vid and everybody had already made up their mind.

What's that about shooting the messenger?

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:26am

"Except he does none of these things. He posts material from unreliable sources about important issues and sticks by it when evidence from authoritative sources is quoted to prove him wrong. In short, he and the million others like him on social media, are the enemies of free speech. They are the reason why Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and many other sites have taken to deleting the kind of stuff sypkan regularly posts."

if this is such a problem from me, I assume you have an abundance of examples to share to make you point, Im actually quite conservative with my sources, only occassionally post facebook trash for humour.

jacobin no good? the doc from yale a cowboy?

"sypkan seems to have swallowed the agenda whole. All sources have equal validity…except those that come from the “elites”. ….you know the government departments set up to manage complex areas like health, and the universities in which specialists spend their entire working lives studying the issues under discussion. In other words believe anyone except those most likely to know"

whatever, Im onboard with the conventional wisdom. but when you endlessly post nyt and guardian articles as some sort of 'truth' on anything trump, I call you on it. university studies found leagacy media articles have 90% bias against trump. you don't like those studies? ....enjoy your echo chamber...

"So go on elevating ignorance above knowledge and emotion above thought."

fukn pot kettle black

"Go on believing the first thing that crosses your facebook page in the morning."

yeh nah

"Go on asserting your right to spead misinformation about public health."

you got an example?

"Go on being irresponsible, careless and egotistical, because that’s what it is in the end.
The fragile ego clinging to something that they think makes them look clever, when in the end it simply debases them and brings them low."

whatever, the one superpower I do have, is having no ego whatsoever, you on the other hand...

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blowfly commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:04am

"Ok, could I very kindly ask you to direct me to anything at all that states unequivocally that research and its efficacy in treating the novel corona virus has ceased and will not be pursued in the future." Relevance? No-one made such a claim.

"Also, as another specific, the best and brightest academic, legal and law-enforcement minds arguably in the world can not 100% pin Russian influence on the outcome of the last US election."

I hate to be the one to break the news, but you cannot absolutely prove anything. So we go with the overwhelming evidence.

“The most vivid example remains the intervention by Russian intelligence in the US presidential election of 2016, in which 126 million Americans saw Facebook material generated and paid for by the Kremlin. But the phenomenon goes far wider. According to Philip N. Howard, professor of Internet studies at Oxford, no fewer than seventy governments have at their disposal dedicated social media misinformation teams, committed to the task of spreading lies or concealing truth. Sometimes these involve human beings, churning out tweets and posts aimed at a mainly domestic audience: China employs some two million people to write 448 million messages a year, while Vietnam has trained 10,000 students to pump out a pro-government line. Sometimes, it is automated accounts—bots—that are corralled into service. The previous Mexican president had 75,000 such accounts providing online applause for him and his policies (a tactic described by Thomas Rid in Active Measures as “the online equivalent of the laugh track in a studio-taped TV show”). In Russia itself, almost half of all conversation on Twitter is conducted by bots. Young activists for Britain’s Labour Party devised a bot that could talk leftist politics with strangers on Tinder.”

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/08/20/fake-news-disinformed-to-death/

".......a specialist in the field of concern in one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world is shouted down by a journalist.

He posted the vid and everybody had already made up their mind."

So why don't you post the vid?

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:06am

"So go on elevating ignorance above knowledge and emotion above thought"

What about ol' Blowfly's patented and self confessed "appeal to emotion" (™)?

There's that lack of self awareness again.

Bless.

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blowfly commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:16am

The usual Andy crap. All assertion no evidence
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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:32am

never disputed russian influence, just the scale

"... 126 million Americans saw Facebook material generated and paid for by the Kremlin."

so 126 million Americans had some ridiculous russian propaganda flash on their facebook screen for a few seconds... 106 million americans probably scrolled straight past not even giving that 'influence' a second thought, not even a first thought actually, they didn't read it!! but those numbers are impressive (the first part) if you want to make a case, totally dubious as to their actual 'influence', ...but impressive...

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:30am

The vid has already been posted. Why would i post it again?

Anyway, I remain unpersuaded and I've got a meet and greet.

Have a good one chaps.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:34am

"Vic, a specialist in the field of concern in one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world is shouted down by a journalist."
This is where your argument absolutely crumbles Zenagain.
That expert you are talking about goes to Yale which is according to you "one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world".
Pity the Yale School of Medicine doesn't support the expert.
Like I said, sypkan has a conclusion and then searches for the evidence. That's not how science works.
Read it and weep fellas.
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/26290/

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 9:50am

you are so fucking dunning- kruger it's infuriating

did you hear the bit from the doc about how normal conventions from the fda are not being followed?

the bit about how the choice of their 'subjects' was questionable?

no thoughts on the retracted lancet article?

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:01am
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blowfly commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:13am

"so 126 million Americans had some ridiculous russian propaganda flash on their facebook screen for a few seconds... 106 million americans probably scrolled straight past not even giving that 'influence' a second thought, "

Yep, probably true but if we look at the actual votes and the make up of the electoral college, if Clinton had won Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania she would have won the electoral college and the presidency. Trump's margin of victory in Arizona was 92,682. In Wisconsin it was 27,257. In Pennsylvania it was 62,236. So had less than 200,000 voters switched their vote, Clinton would have won. So you were being generous. In fact on this data, 123,800,000 voters could have flicked by the Russian facebook ads and they still would have enabled Trump to win the election. And of course the material was very far from ridiculous, it was highly sophisticated and precisely targeted at swinging voters in marginal states.

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blowfly commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:15am

Get a life sypkan, I am spending far too much time countering the barrage of bullshit you vomit up here.

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:20am

so ya got nothing?

to assert your assertions...

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:25am

and get over yourself, I posted the vid because it's worthy of discussion, hopefully from some who can put their emotions on hold

rational discussion, which excludes you right from the start, you are simply too much in a heightened state to do so

constantly

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:26am

"you are so fucking dunning- kruger it's infuriating"
OMG, that is truly hilarious. sypkan. You clearly don't understand Dunning Kruger's research which basically says people with no expertise in a subject are very confident in their opinions.
I'm happy to admit I'm not a medical expert on this topic but my opinions are consistent with the vast majority of experts who have their work reviewed but their peers. I'm happy to listen to the vast majority of experts on HQ.
You're not an expert either, but seem to be incredibly confident in the opinion of one guy, which isn't even supported by the Yale medical school where he works.
AND YOU ACCUSE ME OF DUNNING KRUGER SYNDROME.
Just stop embarrassing yourself sypkan. go for a walk mate.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:44am

"As Dean of the Yale School of Public Health where Dr. Risch is employed, I have championed maintaining open academic discourse, including what some may view as unpopular voices. The tradition of academia is that faculty may do research, interpret their work, and disseminate their findings. If persons disagree with Dr. Risch’s review of the literature, it would be advisable to disseminate the alternative scientific interpretations, perhaps through letters or other publications with alternative viewpoints to the American Journal of Epidemiology, Newsweek, or other outlets. My role as Dean is not to suppress the work of the faculty, but rather, to support the academic freedom of our faculty, whether it is in the mainstream of thinking or is contrarian."

Just got back and have to slip out again. From your own link Vic. Would you like to point out exactly where Syp stated categorically HCQ was the cure for the novel corona virus? Or would you like me to direct you to where he simply posted an alternative point of view?

I think the latter may be a little easier to pinpoint.

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factotum commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:51am

Hahaha. Did I say "keep it coming, arse-clown"?!

Jeez, Sepp, you poor ol' bugger.

Anyway, this may be of interest (and help):

https://theconversation.com/why-qanon-is-attracting-so-many-followers-in...

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 25 Aug 2020 at 10:56am

So Typical of you Zenagain, ignoring the absolute bulk of the article I linked (stating that the Yale Medical School doesn't support Rische's opinions). And then quoting a very normal commitment to academic freedom.
That's a text book example of conservative blindness. You just choose what you want to see and ignore the rest.
Here's the quote from the same article you chose not to mention.

Dr. Harvey Risch is a distinguished cancer epidemiologist who has opined on the topic of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and COVID-19 out-patient therapy. He has written a review article in the American Journal of Epidemiology that cites evidence that he believes supports HCQ use for out-patient infection with SARS-CoV-2. Studies that indicate no effect or harmful effects, Dr. Risch believes, enrolled patients too sick to benefit from HCQ.
Yale-affiliated physicians used HCQ early in the response to COVID-19, but it is only used rarely at present due to evidence that it is ineffective and potentially risky. The Food and Drug Administration of the U.S. Public Health Service issued the following statement (in part):
June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. As a result, we determined that the legal criteria for the EUA are no longer met.

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