Webber Wave Pools bound for Loganholme

Stu Nettle
Swellnet Dispatch

The land is leased, pre-approval granted, and the guts of the DA is currently being picked apart by the good folk at Logan City Council. And if they give it the thumbs up then the first Webber Wave Pool will have a home at 4144-4150 Pacific Highway, Loganholme, Queensland.

The site is opposite the Logan Motorway Junction, conveniently placed between the Krispy Kreme Factory and the chocolate banks of the Logan River.

The DA has been lodged under Tunnel Vision Wave Pools - no more Webber Wave Pools.

The pool itself will be Greg's looped linear shape - see diagram above - approximately 350 m long x 150 m wide occupying 15 acres of land. Surrounded by floodlights it'l be a day/night affair.

Also on site will be a skate park (outdoor and indoor), gymnasium, requisite food and gift shops, plus room for a surfboard factory.

It's been a long time getting to this point, and it ain't totally over the line yet, but it's the firmest news yet.

Official statement below:

 

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udo commented Friday, 25 May 2018 at 6:29pm

Land is Leased ??
Is this a different Location to last Article ?

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gcuts commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 11:04am

Yep, land is owned by Logan City Council.

See here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

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spencie commented Friday, 25 May 2018 at 6:22pm

Extraordinary investment for a leasehold. Maybe hoping to sell as a going concern at a later date?

easterly

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 1:38am

Nice work Stu! You just won a bodybasher a block of wax. The cake's yours... see hillsintas.

I still think poor site access was reason for hold up + Urban Legend up for grabs in Logan.
I pointed out this Tourism site on N/E bank of Logan River as one of two preferred sites.

Site access from Brisbane is easiest.

I still maintain that Ipswich/West access is non existent. (Must be there somewhere?)
Perhaps local Ben Mackay knows his way about a bit too well. He'd wanna hope we all do.

I do apologize for bum steer on Gold Coast Access (Although easier to get lost than find site)
From [M1][Exit 31] [m6] (Toll Rd) Exit left again(tight)[ Access to Local Streets]
Turn Left [ Gold Coast ](Burchill St) Across [M1] (ROUNDABOUT) [Gold Coast] (Burchill St) X

[Toll Exit] Not inviting! Either way impossible [M1 Signage ] will make or break the Park.
Logan lad Mackay should get a good roll of the dice. This site has been zoned for such.

Zoning allows Motel Accommodation/Resort/Conferences/Food & Liquor/Retail/Utilities.
Possible also that former GCCC site couldn't afford such freedom.

GC [M1] Wave Park's Brisbane Groms could've dried up! (Kindly run the lads outta town?)

I lazily tipped the Skate/Surf Park combo. Likely Mr Mackay was banking on that all along.

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hillsintas commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:17am

Block of wax to you Stu.

Looking forward to seeing the photos of the official groundbreaking ceremony.

For those who enjoy the nitty gritty red tape involved in a project of this type, here is a link for the council.
http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/applicationmaster/...

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geoffrey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:23am

next one in liverpool?

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udo commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:27am

DA lodged 23/5
So its not an expensive parcel of land ....I dont get the Lease bit ?

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thermalben commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:34am

Technically, they won't be able to brand it as being on the Goldy (Loganholme is a suburb of Logan City) - though they'll be just a couple of kays from Logan's southern border with the City of Gold Coast.

Of all of the AU wave pool locations thus far (Tullamarine/Melbourne, Yepoon/Rockampton, Tompkins Park/Perth), this is certainly the best spot - closest to one of the most densely populated surf regions on the planet, and half an hour's drive to the third most populous city in Australia. Enviable signage opportunities adjacent the Pacific Motorway too (akin to Dreamworld, Movieworld etc).

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geoffrey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:46am

Whilst their postal address wont say gold coast there aren't any laws that i'm aware of that would prohibit them from marketing it that way. I can think of about 5 examples just off the top of my head down here in Wollongong that are doing that. Often companies move and keep the same name etc.

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geoffrey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:48am

theres even a beach down here named after the suburb next door

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lostdoggy commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 10:58am

The address in your last article from memory was Stapylton? Just inside the GC border.
I think marketing Brisbane might be better for them anyway. Brissy locals won't percieve that they have to leave the city.

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thermalben commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 11:15am

There was a change of address.

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Lanky Dean commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 7:01am

Cha ching . Well played .

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MRsinglefin commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 9:03am

Just need a Retirement village on site and I'm there

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Sprout commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 9:04am

Flat cap, lowlux and loosekid sticker required for entry.

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fitzroy-21 commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 10:48am

You are going to have to excuse the cynic in me, but with so much talk over many years and so many false/rumoured starts, I'll believe it when I finally see the first real wave ridden on it.

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rj-davey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 12:17pm

There's gotta be a call option in there somewhere. Or a JV. As others have said it's a monumental investment for leasehold.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 5:50pm

Everything is planned as an extension from capital out. All signs/timetables aid Brisbane.
Smarties merged GCCC too big/ bigger than Bne. Shit Shit Shit! Not for too long...Bugger!
Bne bans Gold Coast welcome signs on our border. Tweed was banned from Baton Relay.

Lost count of "South Coast Headers" on Govt departments (South Coast Main Roads)
Inter Urban South rail /Brisbane's Theme Parks /Brisbane's Beaches /Brisbane's Waterfalls.
Pacific Hwy once got applied funding.Rebranded [M1] CBD roads go to the front of the line.
From Border [M1] Exit No's Countdown to hero Brisbane. They rule our motorway too.

Try'n crack Mt Tamborine motoring code [1][57](95)\8/\3/\0/\2/
Everyday everyone is brutally reminded you are always under big brother's control .
Original Old Coach Rd followed tied ribbons with blazoned trees at turnoffs.

Yes it will be Brisbane's Wave park built here or anywhere near the border.
The point is Logan boy makes good in home town...that's the main story.
(That's why this site) (That's why Skateboards) Mayor Penny to you!
Just so happens Logan needs a new mayor.

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billie commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 7:28pm

Any idea of capital investment? Lease price? An option to purchase involved perhaps?

Billie

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udo commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:13pm

A read of the Link Hillsintas posted
This Wave pool / Skatepark is a $50 mill build

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:39pm

Many here know Qld /Fed deal for [M1] 6 - lanes to Border.
Google Earth shows my town of Reedy Creek is fairly signed Southbound.
New [M1] online Fly thru erases Reedy Creek signs from existence.

Perplexed! My 1st call brought no luck/2nd response all lies/3rd call I hailed a Success.
Main Roads project manager Larissa agreed totally with safety & function of signage.
I'm expecting to see Reedy Creek return to it's pride of place on new [M1].

The point is I knew all the history of our local signage from those said blazoned trees on.
I also showed Reedy Creek removal was at odds with current [M1] MR routes(2) (3) (90)
Reedy Creek being an [M1] Town I fortunately had MR history backing up my case.

Main Roads won't tolerate [M1] Signage games here. Definitive Signage to make or break.
Logan Wave Park Spaghetti Junction needs a cool head to layout pinpoint signage trail.

[M1]Signs Logan north... [+] [TOLL ROAD] [Ipswich-Toowoomba] + (Free Wave Park AD?)
Logan River South/West bank [Best Billboard for directions to Wave Park] Not Long term?
Logan junction would charge premium for advertising & Main Roads aren't giving it away.
What use a premium [M1] site if none can access it ? Signage compliant or another Lemon?

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SNBSROG commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 10:32pm

i thought the pool was already being built next to coomera servo??
new name huh!? wonder why? Webbers investors must be pissed at him for something

Ben Dover

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hillsintas commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 9:50am
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gcuts commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 5:56pm

Oh dear, here we go AGAIN.

Hope this link works, see here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/...

If not, try looking up the Logan City Council DA applications for "MCUC-205/2018" which include the "status" as ....

WITHDRAWN.

Yep.

It's all over before it even started.

Or was it?

Check out "MCUC - 207 / 2018"

Lots if info available on that one .. pics and all !!!

And, is this document link works: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

That's a bloody small pool out the back of the building ...

Looks like more fluff and bubbles to me.

DA is for a commercial building only!

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stunet commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 6:37pm

Think you need to look a bit closer mate.

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gcuts commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 8:11pm

I think you need to get off the Webber Kool aide, mate. You've been spruiking his PR BS for too long. It's time to do some good journalism on this topic, like the stuff you guys did with the WSL 'viewers'.

As for this Webber wank frst, the first application, with the pool, has been withdrawn. It clearly shows as withdrawn.

The one still in progress has no wave pool in the detail, it's just for a commercial building with what looks like a resort size swimming pool.

Dig deeper boys. There is more to this story...

Maybe go back to the 'source' of the Stapylton site on the GC side of the river. What happened with THAT tip?

There's a reason Webber can't get these projects to even break ground. It's in the IP ;)

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stunet commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 8:23pm

You seem to know a lot mate, at least you think you do, and you've commented 3 x more than anyone else on every single article.

Anyone would think you're a rival investor.

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gcuts commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:29am

100% not a rival investor nor do I have any interest in any wave pool company, technology etc.

I'm just sick of Webber PR BS given airtime on here without your usual good journalistic scrutiny.

Please look at the application lodged and details in the official council lodged documents. They do not support the 'story' you've been given.

It was, what, August LAST YEAR, that you ran a story spruiking Webber "construction starts in 6 weeks"... Come on, surely you realise the PR marketing BS?

Do you, or swell net, or Ben, or anyone else, or any associated company, trust, super fund, have an interest in this Webber pool tech, company, etc. ???

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thermalben commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 9:10am

No-one from Swellnet has any financial interest in the Webber pool tech or the company.

Also happy to go on the record that I have no interest in ANY company other than Swellnet.

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lostdoggy commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 9:44am

People on here keep asking what's happening with Webber wave pools as all the other ones keep hitting the market ahead of him.
So you don't want them to report what they find out?

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udo commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 6:27pm

WTF ?
DA still showing as lodged 23/5 ?

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lostdoggy commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 6:29pm

Link says withdrawn 22 May.
Maybe they resubmitted something on 23/5?

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gcuts commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 8:13pm

Exactly.

Clearly shows withdrawn.

But, application on foot, does NOT have details of a wave pool, see the link I posted, it's just a commercial building change of use and redevelopment.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 2:42am

Darwin currently has Australia's best wave Lagoon built in 2010.
Waterfront precinct also has a Lake Fountain.
This new development compliments by adding a river course + Oasis lagoon.
OZ Wave by Flowrider is the design you see in Promotions. About $4m installed.
(Imagine a whitewater skatebowl wave). Best wavehouse is Durban Double Flow Barrel
*Chicks at Wavehouse Durban (Shreading Drex)
*Two Girls Shread Wavehouse Durban Double Barrel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHvtpErqIM

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fatjackdave commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 7:44am

DA is for a material change of use - not an actual development / building works. Paving the way for the development but drawings and technical specs are purely to get approval for all the listed uses at the approximate scale they have been shown - about 6 soccer fields in size. Another DA will be needed for the building works.

It's Council land and they've given landowners consent so you can assume there's a long lease or at very least a heads of agreement for a long lease - cheaper and less risk to investor to lease and develop than buy land and develop because outlay is minimal up front and linked to building milestones. Also better for Council and provides additional revenue without stumping up the Capital to build something themselves.

Not a cheap process so someone's 6 figures pot committed just to get here. With a lease and DA approval they have the next bargaining tool for more investment dollars. At that point it goes from speculation to something that can be crunched for an investor.

At least that's how I read it - they've got ducks lined up but the ducks won't stump up the cash until Webber can demonstrate some rubber on the road - this is the cheapest option to demonstrate it.

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gcuts commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:31am

Bingo.

It is not for a development, and does not include the wave pool. See the document I linked above. It's for the retail complex.

The one for the pool looks to have been withdrawn on 23 May.

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fatjackdave commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:47am

Not sure what you're talking about. There's two identical applications One withdrawn and one yet to be determined for a Material Change of Use for "Outdoor sport and recreation (wave pool, swimming pool & skate park) and ancillary .......etc"

With documents showing a wave pool the size of about 6 soccer fields.

This is a pretty standard process in a development to work through a Council approval in this fashion. Approve the change of use and get a lease or heads of agreement on the land, secure your funding from investors using this paperwork and then move to the next stage.

I've got no comment on the Wave Pool itself but the development is moving through a fairly standard method when you don't have a big lump of cash or you want to reduce your risk

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stunet commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:52am

@ gcuts,

I honestly don't know what you're looking at or how you're accessing PD Online, nor do I have the time to find out, but each time I've clicked onto the website I can see the withdrawn application and the new one complete with wave pool listed, the plans for the wave pool, and the specs for the wave pool.

I'm struggling to figure out what you're talking about and can only surmise you're looking at the wrong application.

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mowgli commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 10:52am

Assuming they've already accounted (or at least will) for SLR and riverine flood risks?

Nothing a big levee can't fix. In fact you could incorporate that fairly seamlessly into the design, eucalypt and grevillea plantins along the top, nice and pretty like, a small grandstand/viewing area....

Anywho, for those interested, pop in the address in to the below. SLR on it's own seems fine, even the more recent low-probability 2m projection from NOAA (2017). But throw on some catchment flooding or a bit of stormtide....

For SLR:
http://coastalrisk.com.au/2017Report/viewer

The flood maps under the 'Overlays (part 8)' drop down...don't know what design event this is but most likely 1% AEP, and not sure if already taking SLR into account (for the sake of their future ratepayers/legal bills I bloody hope so!)
http://www.loganinteractivemapping.com.au/

“Life is a long lesson in humility.”

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 12:19pm

(SN Exclusive) SE/ Qld Water Park Study Paper. (Work in progress)

Standalone Water Parks or even Water Parks within theme Parks are a liability.
Biggest/Fastest/Coolest rides are weened out to cutback massive insurance burden.
Water Parks also pioneer Hwy land to plug future development.(Popular easy access etc.)

Rings true thru Bne Metro Water Parks history. (Gold Coast Precinct buys safety in numbers)

Magic Mountain/Grundys Waterslides (Razorblades/death) onto Condos + Shopping Hi-Rise
2005' Seaworld/Wet'n'Wild/Dreamworld removed Tallest/Fastest/hardest WATER anything.
{R.I.P} Recent tragedy closed down Thunder Rapids + Log ride...(WaterParks are struggling)

1982-1984 Wild Waters Waterslide Park (Big Tap/Crocodile) became Logan Hyperdome

1985'-2001 It's all happening at 'Amazons' too much fun for just one day.
Jindalee Water Park (Death) Closed down ... (2006 DFO Shopping Centre)

1988 Mirage Oxley ( Kid injured) closed mid 1990's

Warrego Water Park cited insurance costs for it's closure.

1986- 2006 Pacific Super Slide (Olympia Themepark) Alexandra Headland/Now Apartments.

Wavepark with just one surfboard rider would terrorize any mother & water babies.
Previous similar rides allowed one rider on board in pool at any one time.
Want more boardriders then pay premium insurance for each added Risk (surfboard).
Fast becoming Paris Hilton's pool party . (Future's so bright I gotta wear shades)

Waterpark goers..." When was the last time you carted 'round your Aqua Planer?"
Just some wicked badass skimboard for freesking Water Park pools.... It's not happening!

Bus [M1] 5,000 Japs/Chinese $200 hour + sticker turn on the waves. Close week one! Retire.
Or nurse same dozen groms on bladed hoverboardz bleeding over only customer at the bar.

Swellnetonians may wade thru Water-Wavepark history another way. Them's the facts!

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tux commented Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 2:08pm

I recieved an email from them yesterday stating that the DA is in and they are very excited

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 30 May 2018 at 9:49am

(SN Exclusive) Wavepool craft capacity always follows the 'clear to go' rule .(Guide only)

Wavepool/Float rings Chockablock as OZ min. (Sardine packed in Asian Wavepools)
River Rapids are mostly free for all dual Tubes or Time released Group Tubes

(Pool capacity) [IMPORTANT] All pool waders are prohibited from end of "ride zones" !

Aqua racers (Mat riders) x 8- 10 riders
Waterslides x 4 riders or giant slides x 2 Dual riders.
Tube Slides x 2 - 4 Tubes ( Combos of 1/2/4/6/8 riders)
Aqua Planners (Toboggans) x 2 Dual riders (Long Banned)
Note: Wipeout zones usually supervised by "Park's Wipeout Bar" prior to ride's shutdown.

Flowrider Body Boards (prone) [L] x 3-4 riders
Flowrider (Flowboards Stand Up) [L] x 4 riders
Flowrider Flowboard (Pro- Stand Up + Booger) x 1 rider
Flowrider (Dual Barrel) [L] x 4 (Tag team)
Flowrider (Dual Barrel) Pro x 2 riders

SurfHouse Body Boards (Prone) [L] x 6 riders
SurfHouse Foam Boards (Stand -Up ) [L] x 4 riders
SurfHouse Fibreglass Boards (Stand Up) x 1 rider

Private Bookings operate on buddy system (His & Hers) Fibreglass boards 2 riders
Mal/SUP/Kayak x 1 rider each
[Bodysurfers] x 2 riders (re : No "swimming/wading" applies in (Bodysurfer's "Ride Zone")

In closing a Wavepark may spruik any number of waves but is still governed by Pool Safety.
Site Access/Insurance/Pool Rules equally governing capacity and or profit of any Wavepool.

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 30 May 2018 at 11:17am

In a perfect world spectators would queue to view the most dynamic surf action.
Such a clever design but forgive me for saying this can't happen with this plan/Layout.

1. Pool entry is via the white wash zone? (Oops!)
2. Barflies pollute kiddies Pool prohibiting safe family entry into wading end. (Hic!)
3. Heaviest wave breaks up straights, in this case Car theives/Cowpats get premium seats.
4. Wave faces vacant inner circle pit crew! ' Did You see me!' " NO! " 'Now!' "NOPE!" C'mon!
5. Toilets are inconveniently positioned to every park user.
6. A Barber? WTF. How does a poolmat of floating hair attract people? (Eco pool filter?)

WavePark is all higgledy-piggledy to me! Perhaps a good thing no one will ever notice.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 2 Jun 2018 at 9:41am

Australia has around 40 river/flow/wave parks... Location/designs/history.....
re: (Swellnet Exclusive) 7, April 2017 'Australia's first wave pool to open late 2017'.

Designs range from ...Wavepools-17/Flow waves-9/River Flow-6/Whirlpool-5/Mix swell-1.

Breakdown of craft type : Body Boards ... 28/Tubes... 27/Flowboards... 11/Surfboards... 4-5

OZ Cruise Ships: Each old/new ship is getting a flowrider fitted.... so add a dozen or so easy.
Ship Flowrider calls girl wearing new bikini oops goes bikini @ flowrider attracts boys.

Is that the perfect Wave Park design or what...? (Back Soon)

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 2 Jun 2018 at 2:05pm

Waveparks of 2018 have summonsed all surf tribes together into the one Wavepool.
I touched on mass appeal in Waco series. Flow waves now suit all makes'n'models.

So what makes a successful Wavepark? (Wavepark designs of 30 years still rule today)
Wet'n'Wild designs were ramped up at Disney/Dubai/ Best Biggest bowl @ Japan Dome.
Traditional 2 Breakwalls + A frame opening out onto beach setting.
(90- 180* Waveface View) Allows 1/2 Park visitors access to pool/contest.(Long successful)

Today we see Wave Garden/Cove basically less than 1/2 this design into a corner pocket .
(Less than 45* Waveface View) 1/8 Park visitors access pool...room for Judge Tower only.
Wave faces away from wall allowing rear view only. Wave dies nearing poor crowd view.

Pipeline (Waco) runs a Breakwall corkscrew run-out wave. (Again Nice Waves)
(Less than 45* Waveface View) 1/2 Park visitors access pool..room for Judge Tower only.
"The breakwall" is not accessible to large crowds/public.
Most of the beach crowd sees waves breaking away from them towards blank wall.

Both designs gather all flotsam into impact zone. Both replay same mono set cam angles

Closed Pier Design KSWP/Snowdonia. Big V 8's naturally collect filth along deep Pier tray.
On that alone! Worldwide Surf parks are now labelled eyesores, these parks fit that bill.
Almost zero view as wave breaks toward Prohibited pier. (Jetski Pooltoy Cam compensates)
Park length crowd see only rear end action. (No Wave face) Rest huddle for 10% dregz view.
Even the far wall restricts peer thru pier review.
Without doubt the largest worst ever contest wavepool ever designed. (Again nice waves)

The Island Swell-wrap as shown here affords wave dregz to whole of park.
Almost zero waveface is revealed to awaiting crowd as wavefaces inner Island.
WSL Island Judges would need a revolving tower to score waves. [Competitors Only Island]
I don't envisage Logan Toll suspension bridge barrel flyover to WSL Island Grandstand .
I mentioned above that public tumble entry via wash zone/Kidz via the Pub...I don't get it!

The barrels look sweet, none denying that guys...Being locals I wish them good fortune.
Note: Swellnetonians know Mr Webber wishes feedback...Info is purely hypothetical.

Above I described OZ Whirlpools even a Wavecresting pool which then deflects waves out.

Surf Lakes is of similar design as in a wave plunger. Mimics open ocean crest rebounds.
Coincidentally mimics Football/Cricket arenas where play flows from centre to endgame.
Affords 360* wave view to unlimited arena size. (Can there be too much of a good thing ?)
Naturally our weather decides such!
Are Surf Lakes over engineering park surfability. (Yes! Ol' yellow [L] vs [P]ro zone is back)
Best laid plans! Wind shifts to onshore mid WSL comp...Can [L] Wave fire up crowd/bar etc.
Just like the Footy there will be worse seats without the sun in your eyes. (Nice Waves)!

Next Gen Wavepool-courses where Crowds line a surfing circuit like (Golf/Car racing).
Surfing a Flowbarrel down a Waterfall spiraling a whirlpool wresting rapids to finish line.

Back to the beginning it seems that 1/2 a crowded wavepark is still a full house.
Wave machines may produce untold waves but Wavepool design determines WSL crowds.
Wavepools have a long leisurely history free of bikini-contests/beer burps/stickers/selfies.
Wild Gangs of pooltoy harnessed Skegz stand ready to crash your wavepool party Oi Oi Oi!

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udo commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 9:13am

gcuts...whats the current Wavepool DA status ?

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udo commented Saturday, 4 Aug 2018 at 8:41am

DA approved ...or any Wavepool news .....?

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thermalben commented Saturday, 4 Aug 2018 at 9:05am

Yep full DA was approved Monday.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 11:08am

Incorrect.

Not 'full DA' ... it was ONLY a "material change of use" for the site.

See here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

Who other process for the Development, with a LONG list of conditions attached to the 'material change of use' approval.

See here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 4 Aug 2018 at 11:44pm

New Qld Wavepools collide with toughest Oz Park Safety as promised by Premier this week.
Since 1986 Qld Wavepools have stricter wavecraft policy than Beach Flags but still flourish!

Get Wet Wavepool Softboard/Booger lessons are confined to afterhours ...2hrs/$85
For safety they're limited to 6 Adults/Instructor or 4 Kidz/Instructor.(under 10 supervision)
Likewise only 2 groups can operate the Wavepool (Roughly 10 SOFT boards a session)
Flow waves are prohibited to free surfers. Personal Boards are banned.(Numbers above)

Wavepool general free-surfing (Giant Wavepool $79/Day) (Huey's Cave of Waves $85/day)
Crowd keeps bobbing'n'bumpin only limited by recommended Park Entry numbers.
Free surfers jawdrop at the value & freedom that Softboard/Boogerz/Flowboarderz enjoy.

Boardriders now enjoy the most affordable uncrowded Wavepool freedoms ever imagined.

New kidz on the block must recognize hard fought boardrider gains in parks.
Introducing sharpened bladed surfboards into general wave park may blow such freedoms.
Mention to Premier that life size cultery set of 250- 1,000 knife'n'fork each other every hour.
That's easily Qld's most terrifying Theme Park Ride add also Oz's most terrifying line-up.

Do well to recall local theme parks surrendered Fibreglass craft for safety compliance.
Equally consider they restrict Wavepool craft to 10/hr as opposed to Lads 1,000/hr.
Big Ticket Losses were- Aqua Planer Taverns/ Pro Surfer Displays + lessons+ Board Shops.
Do Old Wave Parks counter sue for loss of Fibreglass Fortune gifted to Premier's poolboys?

Blowins stamping out Park Safety milking 100 x profits of our Pioneering Wavepool locals.
It would be suicide for Premier to rubberstamp next gen Whiteshoe Wavepool Wannabes?
Build the wavepools but stick to the pool rules...after hour sessions with mates is a start!

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hillsintas commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 1:47pm

http://oceansportsdevelopment.com/news/

NEWS FLASH! Following his presentation this Saturday, September 8, at the Surf Expo at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando, Dev Pathik, Founder and CEO of Sports Facilities Advisory, will hold a press conference at 12:30pm in which he will announce plans for a state-of-the-art, stadium-sized surf pool to be constructed by OSD at the Omni Orlando Resort at ChampionsGate. Utilizing patented wave generation technology developed by legendary surfboard innovator Greg Webber, the $60 million development promises to be a game-changer for the sport of surfing.

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hillsintas commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 2:11pm

New seven minute youtube clip.

GW explains howto control water movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=452&v=5J_MBUHgW6s

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shoredump commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 5:12pm

He’s got the right idea

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 9:07pm

Thanx for inside info hillsintas... gotta love Greg's enlightenment
Reverse flow is nothing new in wave pool design.
He speaks of reverse flow patent then barely dips our toes in it ?
Greg never wades us thru a host of Reverse Current Wave pools

Flowrider
Once a flat sloped surface now many variations exist..
Skatebowl/Double Barrel onto flow circuit parks even vert flow current.

Wave Balls.(Round Pools)
Feed off rebound current to spike wave height usually flowing into a lazy river.
360* waves for all and/or a free river run...100's worldwide for over 20 years.

Pool materials..
Soft Inflatable pool insulates current to enable controlled wave spiking
Hard pools ricochet or deflect current for uncontrolled wave spike

Pool surrounds
Overflow channels commonly feed Municipal/Resort's current for extra flow rides
Same principal applies to feeding current to a secondary learners/ kiddies wave zone/pool

Hard/walled (distorted current) or Rebound-Backwash
Usually a feature of a safety wall that promotes a larger unintended wave.
A Stormy sea enters a Ship's pool or could include spray barrel from a fast ride or Dam rides.
See also old school mini me wave pools in regional towns.(Anything goes on Blooper Reel)

No shortage of monster mad waves as to pool size. Pick your fav' then just amp them up!

re: Synergy (India) Wavepoolparty range bundles contorting wave current.
I'd recommend these rogue wave gurus to fire-up your local Olympic poolparty.

Pool shape is a major factor...
Circular wavepool produces largest steepest waves by amplifying repeated current.
Controlled currents shape heart/star even spiked waves in programmed Circular pools
Longer curved wall can also flow a faster current as in a Whirlpooling wave
Return whirlpool can power up next wave from beneath.(This cycles with above flow)
Where surface spike winds up wave face enough to return the force.

Pool depth
Decade old OZ Olympic pools have adjustable floors of 3m depth change.
Not new to multi mode therapeutic wave pools either.
Most here know of pool depth dynamics as in tidal wave speed and shape.

Pool contour
Waves can naturally increase speed by pool floor shape...as in a fountain if you like.
A deepening narrow reverse flow channel can zip line the incoming shallowing wave.
Repetition of complete flow should generate faster higher waves as to pool size

re: Pool games of a People Train rotating a current suddenly switch to create a wave pool.

Aquifers or Water Jets
Already Texas wave pool essentially pipes or massages the wave forward in a straight line.
This tech could very nicely channel a current to speed up a round wave circuit.
Imagine outer wall piping in unison to channel more central Wave height/power/speed

Wind Turbines
Naturally wind force generates waves but in how many ways?
Pipe wind along inside isle walls hitching a ride on a wave as an offshore piper.
Reversing wind currents then race the surface whipping up wave face & opening barrel.

Sound Waves
Simply orchestrating wind/water pipes should be able to shape up a sound wave.
Air pipes are shaped & piped as digital instruments simply record or surf "wipeout".
The wave should shape as the The classic Wipeout (Surf instrumental) Ok! In time!
Pro Hot shot drums his beat into the Wave Pool design then surfs his wave to his beat.
To serenade his beach babe of course. Mind my Towel...Did you record my songwave Babe!

Boil up the surface for a hot ass Heat Wave.
Freeze the pool for a slow-mo slushie Wave Park.
There is no end to this can of worms... Exactly! A mudslide landslip wave if you like.
Didn't even mention the obvious shifty Sandy Bottom seafloor shifting currents...

Swellnetonians can think of 1,000 more in fashion reverse current flavours.
Mix & match as many as you can dream up..then patent them I guess!

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hillsintas commented Tuesday, 11 Sep 2018 at 9:07am

and now a 20 minute youtube clip from the Surf Expo & Ocean Sports Development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75HeKoPE82I

Comments welcome.

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philosurphizing... commented Tuesday, 11 Sep 2018 at 10:40am

Wave pools hosting reality television shows.

I think I'm about to throw up.

I could not listen to the rest of it.

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hillsintas commented Tuesday, 11 Sep 2018 at 11:25am

I enjoyed the comment.........
"They will be called "PARKERS".
A whole new industry will be built to appease Parkers.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 11:13am

Those interested, see my comments in replies above, and for further info you can look up the 'material change of use' application and documents on the Logan City Council DA Tracker (website).

MCUC - 207 / 2018 is the application number

The properties are:

4144-4150 Pacific Highway LOGANHOLME QLD 4129
4152 Pacific Highway LOGANHOLME QLD 4129
4154-4166 Pacific Highway LOGANHOLME QLD 4129

And are all owned by Logan City Council.

See here:

http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

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Lottolonglong commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 7:33pm

What does this mean?

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Coaster commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 8:55pm

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot.

But no wavepool, apparently.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 7:59am

Logan City Council have been sacked and an 'administrator' now "manages" it all under State Government control ... until the next local govt elections.

Lots of these 'council development' type deals are under review.

Also means, the Weber Wave pool is being put onto leasehold land. Don't pay ya lease, bye bye, we now own ya pool! Hate to be an investor who stumps up the $$$ to build the pool.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 7 Dec 2018 at 12:57am

I believe gcuts is showing the paperwork for purchasing additional wave park land.
This was not in original plans that stopped short of showing additional Wave Pool.

gcuts material change of use papers include....
*Overpasses are needed to cater for maximum parking- 1 Bus + 87car [P] + bikes
Bus =50pass + car/bikes = 250 surfers/hr...(500 waves/hr) = 2 waves/surfer per hr

Current Max is 6 surfers per break/hr(4 breaks/125 waves for 6) =20 waves per/hr.

Current nearby Surfboard/Wave pool charges $42/hr (re: Get Wet- 4/Aug/2018)
Open slather all in sees Webber wave pool charging $20/wave approx.
Using Qld Capacity wavepool guide brings price down to a reasonable $2 per wave...

*Wave pool Opening Hours 6:00am -10:00pm (No late weekend pool parties)
*Shaper's Store Hours 7:00am- 6:00pm (Noise Hours)

Site Water Flow Max = 100 L / minute
Park needs 100,000 L / minute for one continuous 20ft wide wave
Tunnel vision plans for Two continuous 20 ft wide waves.
Also need about 100-140HP for each chunky wave.

Here's the crude physics for the horsepower needed for growing your own wave.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/flowrider-design.54090/

This bloke grew a wave in his backyard...just skip the pavers they're fine. Ouch!
You'll need to lasso a tinnie rat to confiscate some oversized Outboard Motors...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEMjhPNFdA&feature=youtu.be

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hillsintas commented Friday, 7 Dec 2018 at 9:17am

Plan submitted for demolition works.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 7 Dec 2018 at 2:39pm

Hillsintas isn't this a great leap forward for Tunnel Vision
Please! If you can wade thru gcuts red tape & translate.

For a start ! I don't think the Motor Inn (red roof) is being demolished.
Surely not? It was central to their plans...
http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

So Tunnel Vision are running a tape measure over Wave Pool site with view to lease.
From that they have 12 months to submit the Wavepool plans.
This being adjunct to material change of use H'wy frontage (View to lease)

So nothing concrete but steps in right direction. Please correct if that's not the case.

Things going your way hillsintas? (Finally,maybe any step back is good news I bet?)

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wingnut2443 commented Monday, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:27am

Is there actually ANY physical work on this proposed site?

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 11 Feb 2019 at 12:04pm

Welcome home wingnut2443...

[M1] must have something in the water as all Wavepools line up along this strip.

Wild Waters (1982-84) (No wavepool was just a bit closer to Bne along [M1]

Latest trickery from up 'round our parts was a bizarre article in Beachgrit.
Nick Carroll swears the rumour is true...re: in said article comments.
https://beachgrit.com/2018/10/hot-rumour-wsl-to-build-surf-ranch-next-to...

Note: Oz 1st commercial Wave pool 1986 Wet'n'Wild is down the [M1] > GC.
It's still packed every day & could easily run surfboard lessons but never bothered.

Huey's Cave of Waves 2006 is closer toward 'Tunnel Vision wavepool' up the [M1].
Dreamworld was the first Oz Wavepool to allow Surfboards (softies).
Also first sanctioned by Surfing Australia...later > Darwin 2010 then Sydney 2013
Sydney is 1st Wavepool to sanction Nipper Cub on Sundays. (2x Season Pass + fees!)

Melbourne Volcano Beach 2018 can accommodate Surfing / Nippers but refuse.
Oz newest most strictest wavepool won't even allow floaties or pool ball or goggles
Similar Model Family Wavepool [L] fees...($30/hr is premium + all toys included).
Volcano (Heated) Wavepool could easily Wipeout URBNSURF o/n...(No competition)
Watch this Space?

WA Aloha Surf House 2018 is 1st & only wavepool to allow Fibreglass Surfboards .
Mighty strange as it's the smallest most cluttered Wavepool?
MF softies are bullying out the 'Aloha' BYO Hard nuts.

Note: Melbourne (non heated) URBNSURF (opening soon) 2019...are parading MF...
Rip Curl Wettie (hire)+ MF Leggies + MF softies ...are all getting Air'time.
Legropes have never been allowed in Oz wave pools due to constant conveyor factor.

Countless Wavepool Safety guidelines to tear up in so little time.(Brown paper bags!)

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gcuts commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 8:00am

Investors in this Weber pool nervous now Surf Lakes announced their Gold Coast facility?

Anything happening on site? Anyone drive past it regularly? Take a pic n post it up!

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philosurphizing... commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 8:23am

Why would they be nervous?
It has been pointed out that Surf Lakes method of wave generation is flawed.

Here is a surf forum comment by someone called
Superworm PacificNorthPest • 43 minutes ago
According to my bro science there is at least three laws in play- the inverse square law, diffraction and absorption.
The inverse square law concerns the circular wave. Diffraction (the banks) and absorption (mainly the concrete bottom) also reduce wave energy.
The greater the pool radius- effectively the distance of the wave peak from the plunger + the length of the 'bank', the weaker the wave.
The inverse square law
A plane wave of a single frequency in theory will propagate forever with no change or loss. This is not the case with a circular or spherical wave, however. One of the most important properties of this type of wave is a decrease in intensity as the wave propagates. The mathematical explanation of this principle, which derives as much from geometry as from physics, is known as the inverse square law.
As a circular wave front (such as that created by dropping a stone onto a water surface) expands, its energy is distributed over an increasingly larger circumference. The intensity, or energy per unit of length along the circumference of the circle, will therefore decrease in an inverse relationship with the growing radius of the circle, or distance from the source of the wave. In the same way, as a spherical wave front expands, its energy is distributed over a larger and larger surface area. Because the surface area of a sphere is proportional to the square of its radius, the intensity of the wave is inversely proportional to the square of the radius. This geometric relation between the growing radius of a wave and its decreasing intensity is what gives rise to the inverse square law.
The decrease in intensity of a spherical wave as it propagates outward can also be expressed in decibels. Each factor of two in distance from the source leads to a decrease in intensity by a factor of four. For example, a factor of four decrease in a wave’s intensity is equivalent to a decrease of six decibels, so that a spherical wave attenuates at a rate of six decibels for each factor of two increase in distance from the source.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 8:31am

Nervous due to competition and first mover advantage.

As for the wave science, don't ya think the Surf Lakes team have worked those numbers? Plus the multi peak options = more waves per 'energy effort' "plunge" and could be the financial model that works best long term.

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philosurphizing... commented Saturday, 2 Mar 2019 at 5:12pm

A better description would be
''= more TAPERING waves per 'energy effort'

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 10:09am

a sound wave is probably spherical (‘probably’ because i have no idea) but a pool wave is on a single plane and would be circular rather than spherical, so the decrease in intensity would be much less than a spherical wave (but more than a ‘restricted’ straight wave), no?

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philosurphizing... commented Saturday, 2 Mar 2019 at 5:06pm

yes

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 12:32pm

gcuts requested Qld Wave Park Construction Update

No news on whose foot plunged thru what over at the Surf lakes pissup.
Qld Police have drained the lake & still looking for clues.

Feb/19- Sunshine Coast ACTVENTURE Wavepool + Flow (Wrapped / no Earthworks)
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/600315

Feb/19- Logan Tunnel Vision Wave Park (No Earthworks)
See gcuts update here...

Feb/19-"Robina!" Gold Coast Surf Lakes (Site under contract)
http://www.epicsurf.net.au/surf-news/surf-lakes-to-open-wave-pool-on-the...

Original source: Surfer Today Feb/25/2019.

(Surf Lakes HQ @ Robina) Office Wavepool parties lead to a/h experimental slabz!
I can't imagine Steam Punk Plunger echoing a/h thru GC ritzy amphitheatre skyline.
I'll guarantee night surfing ends on following night. (Perhaps worlds biggest silencer?)
[Historical Fact]: Ye olde South Coast Steam Train would echo entire GC landscape.

(For Surf Lakes Gold Coast update 'stat tally' check swellnet tbb...Tues 26/Feb/2019)
https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/10/27/second-look-s...

Swellnetonians wavepool wrap from behind the Banana Curtain.(Next update :2525)
Will send Qld snowplough towies to stir up some Vicco PFAS Holding Pond waves!

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yocal commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 2:54pm

Would be good if Tunnel Vision or Greg could shed some light directly with the punters.... Or indirectly... Stu?

Go deeper Taylor, go deeper!

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hillsintas commented Thursday, 28 Feb 2019 at 3:23pm

I will just put this here............
Maybe USA will get wet before Oz?

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 3 Mar 2019 at 9:03pm

1989 (Typhoon Lagoon) Murphy's Waves are considered leaders in WavePools
2007 Cave of waves Dreamworld is Murphy's/Oz first surfboard riding wave pool.
Most recent design is a 'circular' version of (Webber's linear wavepool)...
The sketches look dodgy but these guys don't muck around... Start/Done Let's Surf
https://www.murphyswaves.com/products/surf-pools/wake-surfer/

2005 Scotland's Wave International shaped up Oz best/consistent line-up still today.
Outback Bay can create 8 wave 'patterns' x 24 wave 'styles'. (Give it to me now!)
Here's the Specs...
https://www.jamberoo.net/index.php/about/about-us

All Oz wavepools are set to low volume for kiddies.(Surf instructors tweek size/shape)
(Check this quality left hand Lighthouse line-up) Quit drooling!
Ahoy Lighthouse DJ pump up the volume...(a/h Party waves will do just nicely...Shh!)
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g528970-d1551445-...

Lazy Rivers are meant to be Lazy not Rapid River (Jamberoo really love waves).
Waterfalls & channel narrowing + a wave generator gives the ride a kick along.(nice)
Here's the specs
https://www.jamberoo.net/index.php/about/about-us

Here's the Rapid River with Grotto Wave Pool aka Original King Ludwig Wave Pool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCgvkn5CHa8

Jamberoo Wave action was pretty cool for back then & still rules Oz wavepools today.
Until...(Any takers?)

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hillsintas commented Tuesday, 12 Mar 2019 at 6:17am

Bugger..............

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 12 Mar 2019 at 2:04pm

We locals humbly apologize for not alerting hillsintas of Koala Coffin Corridor.
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Projects/Name/C/Coomera-Connector
re: (Red dashes- -[site]- -Logan River) Proposed Northern Alignment
Corridor Width = 6 lanes/2 bus lanes/2 cycle -ped lanes.

https://www.river949.com.au/news/local-news/96602-loganholme-wave-goodby...
You can freely wrangle main article from Courier Mail [facebook] (It don't say much!)

All property owners affected by gazettal were consulted and advised by Govt.
Media are still only reporting 'proposed'...Same as above Govt site (Jan/19)
If gazetted they may get compensated with a sweeter deal on neighbouring site?

GC Light Rail was accidentally built in Coomera Connector corridor (Oops!)
As we speak Govt are still buying out adjacent built allotments along corridor.

Coomera Corridor upcoming news...re: (Tunnel Vision Wave Park News)
Logan Cr Jennie Breene would discuss the Road & impacts on Wave Pool.
https://www.logan.qld.gov.au/about-council/mayor-and-councillors/council...
Cr Breene's Road Meeting is at Eagleby Community Hall, 100 Fryar Road Eagleby.
March 15th 2019 or phone Logan Council 3412 3412...

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 19 Mar 2019 at 8:52pm

[NEWS] Coomera Connector is now fully gazetted 15/3/2019
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Projects/Name/C/Coomera-Connector

Tunnel Vision Wave Pool (List of affected Lots in order of consent)
5 SP 106465 (4120-4126 M1)
10 SP 106465 (4128 M1)
11 SP 106465 (4130-4132 M1)
61 SP 135531 (96-112 Chetwynd St)
2 RP 139536 (150 Chetwynd St) [Unaffected]
2 SP 101446 (4152 M1)
7 RP 221166 (4144-4150 M1)
1 RP 864113 (4154-4166 M1)
2 RP 101652 (Logan Water Treatment Corridor)
1 SP 114862 (4172-4204 M1)... [unaffected]

I listed both DMR map lot Numbers + Google Address Numbers (Too Easy!)

Essentially the whole Original M1 built plan is destroyed by connector... but wait!
Tunnel Vision owns more than enough Lots South on [M1] + Lots East of Connector.
Logan #1 Tourist site sussed Connector & XXL Land Bank was to cover bases.
Certainly explains the development hold up to date.Waiting on Toll Rd announcement

Note: tbb is not council wise on land / loss or development compo...
Knocking down an asbestos ridden Hotel...(Compo vs Toxic Tip Fees?)
Govt/Council may waive fees should Tunnel Vision choose from their alternate lots!
Should they walk the may get nothing.

Tunnel Vision may still be entitled to [M1] &/or [Toll Rd] access/signs... possibly both?
Govt policy will give free upgrades before Compo! Compo is actually rare with DMR.

Why did Papers shut down Tunnel Vision even with inside tip on Gazettal?
Given that Tunnel Vision hasn't sent smoke rings in eons...How could any of us know?
No News is good News...It ain't over 'til its over Hillsintas & wavepool dreamers.
Ok! So maybe I'm the dreamer!

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hillsintas commented Wednesday, 20 Mar 2019 at 7:38am

Meanwhile in Orlando Florida...........
Weller Pools will be the company that build the Webber Wave Pool there.
I think it a bit of Synchronicity in the similarity of names & logos.

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 20 Mar 2019 at 9:47am

Wavepool half full kinda guy is our Hillsintas : "...that will build the Wavepool there?"
Hillsintas could be our next Qld Premier if he can scrape this roadkill of the tarmac.

These were a few Runner up LOGO choices for Loganholme Webber Wavepool....
W = Washed up Wavepool
W = Wiped-out Wavepool
W = Wallyworld Wavepool
W = Wishing Flow Barrel [M1] WSL coin toss Wave Fountain)

Hillsintas' Bright side of the Toll Rd Wavepool has 100 km/hr Surf Rage Limit!
[BONUS] RACQ members are entitled to one free tow-in on Big Wednesdays.

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yocal commented Wednesday, 20 Mar 2019 at 6:13pm

Go deeper Taylor, go deeper!

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Lol Photobucket

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 21 Mar 2019 at 1:53am

yocal wins a job in Swellnet Tech! (Very good alignment).10/10
Plain for all to see! Swellnetonians/locals thank you for nice work yocal *****
yocal shows how Wave Pool can move East or South (on own land) if they choose.

I doubt if the Old Villa was a game changer.
Once you hit the pre '82 Asbestos seam it would cost more than it's worth.
I might add old work exposes new regulation compliance...Cost soars. Knock it Down!

I still reckon Council should waive fees to relocate as Logan spruiked #1 Tourist site.
(For the record!) Site was all geared up for Alma Park Zoo before Tunnel Vision

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yocal commented Thursday, 21 Mar 2019 at 3:46pm

Thanks truebluebasher! I worked hard night and day for this accolade. Do they get a cheaper lease if they move it closer to the poo plant? Absolute riverfront acreage up for grabs also.

Go deeper Taylor, go deeper!

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 21 Mar 2019 at 6:24pm

yocal got the scale perfect on that little beastie,not easy I can see. (tbb Salute!)

Yes! yocal they very much get it cheaper. The water that is!

Olympic pools are essentially Town water chlorine ponds with slow turn over.
Wave Pools are larger Town water chlorine ponds + salt + more reticulation.
Wave Lagoons are Recycled Water UV filtered +Full powered reticulation.

Larger Wave 'Lagoon' or 'Park' size affords self regulation of water testing.
eg: No admittance to High Risk- Under 6 y/olds ( I'm unsure of Pregnant Women?)
Yes! Councils have raised concern but institutional $hareholders have friends.

Wave 'Lagoon/Park' Water Supplies...

Wave Parks don't often use chlorine due to cost & lining disintegration.
Surf Lakes is alone in sourcing 'Bore'/Rural Water in a Chlorine Pool Set Up.
Being a trial Wave 'Paddock' their reticulation process is not demonstrated.

Dams supply > Hydro power > Surf Snowdonia
Oversized Puddle feeds NLand (Authorities claim it's suss) >WSL shh!
Underground Springs feed Waco
Groundwater supplies Ranch
Airport PFAS runoff supplies Melbourne URBNSURF (Note: Airport Policy to reuse)
Urban Water recycle scheme supplies Sydney URBNSURF
Groundwater supplies Perth URBNSURF

No expensive Townwater but all need emergency flush (Pond/Canal/Creek/River)
That being for lining tears. (All wavepools have been drained due to lining issues)
Often Wave Pools advantage the draining to do a little reshaping.
Just on that note: Ranch has HD lining they just like reshaping!

Untreated Water being cheaper is all to often wasted by Wave Park operators.

Treatment Plant beside a river is ideal...That's why this site is still in play.
As hard as it is to believe they could easily on sell site to a rival Wave Lagoon.

The water is first treated to Town Water Quality as treatment plants must.
Logan treated water must flush out thru Ramsar Wetlands + Prawn farms.
This wastewater is therefore of high quality.

The wave Lagoon needs only to filter it with Algal ponds then UV light.
Drinking water quality then feeds the pool..URBNSURF say to gulp it down?
Note: tbb is not recommending anyone Gulp down PFAS runoff...(Not Council tested)

Wave power reticulates the water thru a recycling process.
One small problem being that UV filtering is an exact process that dictates all flow.
Holding ponds can boost supply but again can't store long as such (ltd chlorine)

UV Works the same as recycled Town water that is constantly used not stored.
As opposed to Dam Water chemically treated for Reservoir supply.

Wave Lagoons have us believe their UV filtered water is superior to council grade.
Maybe so but Council aren't filtering highly toxic PFAS runoff for Drinking Water.
Again! tbb informs that in Australia the Govt hasn't yet accepted PFAS as evil!
Government line is you're worrying over nothing! Drink up your Wave pool dregz.

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yocal commented Friday, 22 Mar 2019 at 10:19am

Wow I didn't realise the water treatment plant was part of the overall play, how did you hear of this tbb? Are you in/have been in a public service role?

Go deeper Taylor, go deeper!

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 22 Mar 2019 at 4:01pm

Firstly: Wave Park Bible # 101 Water Quality dictates Everything.(Everything)

yocal : To be honest I once lived near (Greenheart) Floodplain treatment plant.
tbb (Certificate) officially named the GC 'Greenheart'.
My wife was Floodplain community rep! This being where Surf Lakes is headed.
So I guess I'm familiar with pre 2000 Floodplain Treatment Plant flow on effects.

Wave Park Filtration is "better than A Class". I can't verify that one way or the other.

Here! I can only gauge the Wave Park Fever symptoms...never come close to a cure.
*Connector gazettal is code for Logan Council Wavepark planning delays
*Free flowing water is code for the silence since the Connector announcement!
Highly likely TV are next looking at Water Configuration under/around Toll Road.
May take some months before any re/workable solution.They'll need convincing!

Should I stay or should I go...Is the Free H2O Supply the carrot the drew TV here?

SEQ legislates all treated water to a minimum (Class C- Free Parks reuse standard)
Class A is recycled drinkable & fully operational at (Former GC- TV Wavepark site).

Class A is way too expensive for Mega wasteful Wave Park > re: move to Logan site?.

Notice I outed the other SE Qld Player as using 'Bore / Dam' Water.
(I need to check!) I did see photos of the 'Local Mayor' turn Taps on as such!
Recap: SurfLakes (Cowboy Paddock) is only a Demo site.

Surf Lakes public facility of large size would equally need affordable water supply.

Purely hypothetical...
Merrimac Treatment Plant (Greenheart) is not far from Robina SurfLakes HQ.
Merrimac Waste Water Plant (Class C) treated water is free of charge.(Fact)
Perfect for a Wavepool with UV filter? (Note: Golf Courses getting their fix)

Alternatively Robina catchment runs on Desal Water (re: Not free in Qld > a deal?).
Tugun Waves firing up Robina Waves in the middle of a cow paddock...(Very GC)

tbb is not exposing anything untoward, more so the economy of scale needed.
Recapping that Surf Parks operate as Resorts or Event sites. Being outside the law!
They need only present water to their own clients standards.(Not town standard!)

As stated above PFAS is not on Oz Govt Radar & is only outlawed in US.
This is mostly because the Oz Govt/Military invasion of it's people was relentless.
Military curfews @ 100 Oz Towns as I write!

Melbourne Airport simply asked URBNSURF to turn PFAS into Wavepool Cordial.
This is not illegal...If the clients prefer gulping down PFAS then what's not to like?
[Burn your Eyes out] [Go thru a few Wetties] What the What? I never said anything!
'C'mon drink up...Plenty more where that came from!'

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 27 Mar 2019 at 11:05pm

Albert Logan News on Connector Road notes The Wave Park.

Cr Breene was outraged that plans were released as she was setting up for Meeting.
Cr Breene's Meeting date was notified by swellnet commentators above...
Readers now know of exact Gazettal time/day for whatever reason.(Hillsintas!)

Local State MP Melissa McMayon said despite Gazettal...Plans could take decades...
The Coomera Connector was Gazetted ahead of time & caught many by surprise!
Next round of Consultation is set down for 'August 2019'.

So! Perhaps more news on Wave Park outcome by about August you would think.
Transport department has 18 months before it presents Project to Govt.

http://quest.smedia.com.au/albert-logan-news/
or
http://quest.smedia.com.au/albert-logan-news/

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 28 Mar 2019 at 11:00am

tbb (Sorry above links only apply to the daily News)
I did say News only noted the wavepool.(Red herring)
By all means do check massive Wave Pool revelation in Today's (Real) News (P3).

(Swellnet Stu's Surfpolitik) Surfers: the New Clubbies (Stu must have an inside man?)
https://www.swellnet.com/news/surfpolitik/2019/03/22/surfers-new-clubbies

Here's same telling clipping of 'wave park' site from Today's Albert/Logan News p3...
Title: Dream home plans shattered! We pick up WavePark history midway thru...

About 7kms down the road at Loganholme, the connector will wipeout about 40 houses in Constellation Drive, taking with it (The council's coveted Wave Park) property at 4150 Pacific Hwy.
Businesswoman Jaye Rose, who expressed interest in using the Pacific Hwy site for her Haunted House business, said it was a wasted opportunity.

Pause: (Same building is central to Tunnel Vision's Wave Park plans.) Continue...

Logan City Council rejected her proposal in 2010 despite the building remaining vacant since 2008 and after plans for a zoo (Alma Park) and a housing estate had also fallen through.
"Despite the land being earmarked for a road, we are still here, still eager to lease and look after the property and it won't cost ratepayers."
"Unlike the Zoo or (Wavepool) proposals we do not require millions of ratepayers dollars from the Council to set up our business."

Pause: (You all read that! Wave Pool received $million/s from Logan council)

Notes: Council seemed only interested in courting a 'whole Connector site' suitor.
Potentially scoring a precinct write off from Govt at time of Connector Gazettal.

tbb: 'Is it really the case that the Wavepool was merely bait to catch a bigger fish?'
Can anyone explain why they acquired 5 x the land for their needs? A bit suss!
& hasn't Logan Council been down the Zoo road before...(Ok! So a bit stupid to ask!)

Like Wow Wipeout...Whose got the keys & which way to the border?... Outta here!

"Yep! I reckon ya' missed him by a good 5 minutes... If you peddle fast enough!"