Webber Wave Pools bound for Loganholme

Stu Nettle
Swellnet Dispatch

The land is leased, pre-approval granted, and the guts of the DA is currently being picked apart by the good folk at Logan City Council. And if they give it the thumbs up then the first Webber Wave Pool will have a home at 4144-4150 Pacific Highway, Loganholme, Queensland.

The site is opposite the Logan Motorway Junction, conveniently placed between the Krispy Kreme Factory and the chocolate banks of the Logan River.

The DA has been lodged under Tunnel Vision Wave Pools - no more Webber Wave Pools.

The pool itself will be Greg's looped linear shape - see diagram above - approximately 350 m long x 150 m wide occupying 15 acres of land. Surrounded by floodlights it'l be a day/night affair.

Also on site will be a skate park (outdoor and indoor), gymnasium, requisite food and gift shops, plus room for a surfboard factory.

It's been a long time getting to this point, and it ain't totally over the line yet, but it's the firmest news yet.

Official statement below:

 

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udo commented Friday, 25 May 2018 at 6:29pm

Land is Leased ??
Is this a different Location to last Article ?

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gcuts commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 11:04am

Yep, land is owned by Logan City Council.

See here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

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spencie commented Friday, 25 May 2018 at 6:22pm

Extraordinary investment for a leasehold. Maybe hoping to sell as a going concern at a later date?

easterly

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 1:38am

Nice work Stu! You just won a bodybasher a block of wax. The cake's yours... see hillsintas.

I still think poor site access was reason for hold up + Urban Legend up for grabs in Logan.
I pointed out this Tourism site on N/E bank of Logan River as one of two preferred sites.

Site access from Brisbane is easiest.

I still maintain that Ipswich/West access is non existent. (Must be there somewhere?)
Perhaps local Ben Mackay knows his way about a bit too well. He'd wanna hope we all do.

I do apologize for bum steer on Gold Coast Access (Although easier to get lost than find site)
From [M1][Exit 31] [m6] (Toll Rd) Exit left again(tight)[ Access to Local Streets]
Turn Left [ Gold Coast ](Burchill St) Across [M1] (ROUNDABOUT) [Gold Coast] (Burchill St) X

[Toll Exit] Not inviting! Either way impossible [M1 Signage ] will make or break the Park.
Logan lad Mackay should get a good roll of the dice. This site has been zoned for such.

Zoning allows Motel Accommodation/Resort/Conferences/Food & Liquor/Retail/Utilities.
Possible also that former GCCC site couldn't afford such freedom.

GC [M1] Wave Park's Brisbane Groms could've dried up! (Kindly run the lads outta town?)

I lazily tipped the Skate/Surf Park combo. Likely Mr Mackay was banking on that all along.

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hillsintas commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:17am

Block of wax to you Stu.

Looking forward to seeing the photos of the official groundbreaking ceremony.

For those who enjoy the nitty gritty red tape involved in a project of this type, here is a link for the council.
http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/applicationmaster/...

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geoffrey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:23am

next one in liverpool?

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udo commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:27am

DA lodged 23/5
So its not an expensive parcel of land ....I dont get the Lease bit ?

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thermalben commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:34am

Technically, they won't be able to brand it as being on the Goldy (Loganholme is a suburb of Logan City) - though they'll be just a couple of kays from Logan's southern border with the City of Gold Coast.

Of all of the AU wave pool locations thus far (Tullamarine/Melbourne, Yepoon/Rockampton, Tompkins Park/Perth), this is certainly the best spot - closest to one of the most densely populated surf regions on the planet, and half an hour's drive to the third most populous city in Australia. Enviable signage opportunities adjacent the Pacific Motorway too (akin to Dreamworld, Movieworld etc).

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geoffrey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:46am

Whilst their postal address wont say gold coast there aren't any laws that i'm aware of that would prohibit them from marketing it that way. I can think of about 5 examples just off the top of my head down here in Wollongong that are doing that. Often companies move and keep the same name etc.

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geoffrey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:48am

theres even a beach down here named after the suburb next door

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lostdoggy commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 10:58am

The address in your last article from memory was Stapylton? Just inside the GC border.
I think marketing Brisbane might be better for them anyway. Brissy locals won't percieve that they have to leave the city.

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thermalben commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 11:15am

There was a change of address.

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Lanky Dean commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 7:01am

Cha ching . Well played .

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MRsinglefin commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 9:03am

Just need a Retirement village on site and I'm there

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Sprout commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 9:04am

Flat cap, lowlux and loosekid sticker required for entry.

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fitzroy-21 commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 10:48am

You are going to have to excuse the cynic in me, but with so much talk over many years and so many false/rumoured starts, I'll believe it when I finally see the first real wave ridden on it.

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rj-davey commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 12:17pm

There's gotta be a call option in there somewhere. Or a JV. As others have said it's a monumental investment for leasehold.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 5:50pm

Everything is planned as an extension from capital out. All signs/timetables aid Brisbane.
Smarties merged GCCC too big/ bigger than Bne. Shit Shit Shit! Not for too long...Bugger!
Bne bans Gold Coast welcome signs on our border. Tweed was banned from Baton Relay.

Lost count of "South Coast Headers" on Govt departments (South Coast Main Roads)
Inter Urban South rail /Brisbane's Theme Parks /Brisbane's Beaches /Brisbane's Waterfalls.
Pacific Hwy once got applied funding.Rebranded [M1] CBD roads go to the front of the line.
From Border [M1] Exit No's Countdown to hero Brisbane. They rule our motorway too.

Try'n crack Mt Tamborine motoring code [1][57](95)\8/\3/\0/\2/
Everyday everyone is brutally reminded you are always under big brother's control .
Original Old Coach Rd followed tied ribbons with blazoned trees at turnoffs.

Yes it will be Brisbane's Wave park built here or anywhere near the border.
The point is Logan boy makes good in home town...that's the main story.
(That's why this site) (That's why Skateboards) Mayor Penny to you!
Just so happens Logan needs a new mayor.

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billie commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 7:28pm

Any idea of capital investment? Lease price? An option to purchase involved perhaps?

Billie

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udo commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:13pm

A read of the Link Hillsintas posted
This Wave pool / Skatepark is a $50 mill build

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 8:39pm

Many here know Qld /Fed deal for [M1] 6 - lanes to Border.
Google Earth shows my town of Reedy Creek is fairly signed Southbound.
New [M1] online Fly thru erases Reedy Creek signs from existence.

Perplexed! My 1st call brought no luck/2nd response all lies/3rd call I hailed a Success.
Main Roads project manager Larissa agreed totally with safety & function of signage.
I'm expecting to see Reedy Creek return to it's pride of place on new [M1].

The point is I knew all the history of our local signage from those said blazoned trees on.
I also showed Reedy Creek removal was at odds with current [M1] MR routes(2) (3) (90)
Reedy Creek being an [M1] Town I fortunately had MR history backing up my case.

Main Roads won't tolerate [M1] Signage games here. Definitive Signage to make or break.
Logan Wave Park Spaghetti Junction needs a cool head to layout pinpoint signage trail.

[M1]Signs Logan north... [+] [TOLL ROAD] [Ipswich-Toowoomba] + (Free Wave Park AD?)
Logan River South/West bank [Best Billboard for directions to Wave Park] Not Long term?
Logan junction would charge premium for advertising & Main Roads aren't giving it away.
What use a premium [M1] site if none can access it ? Signage compliant or another Lemon?

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SNBSROG commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 10:32pm

i thought the pool was already being built next to coomera servo??
new name huh!? wonder why? Webbers investors must be pissed at him for something

Ben Dover

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hillsintas commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 9:50am
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gcuts commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 5:56pm

Oh dear, here we go AGAIN.

Hope this link works, see here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/...

If not, try looking up the Logan City Council DA applications for "MCUC-205/2018" which include the "status" as ....

WITHDRAWN.

Yep.

It's all over before it even started.

Or was it?

Check out "MCUC - 207 / 2018"

Lots if info available on that one .. pics and all !!!

And, is this document link works: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

That's a bloody small pool out the back of the building ...

Looks like more fluff and bubbles to me.

DA is for a commercial building only!

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stunet commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 6:37pm

Think you need to look a bit closer mate.

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gcuts commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 8:11pm

I think you need to get off the Webber Kool aide, mate. You've been spruiking his PR BS for too long. It's time to do some good journalism on this topic, like the stuff you guys did with the WSL 'viewers'.

As for this Webber wank frst, the first application, with the pool, has been withdrawn. It clearly shows as withdrawn.

The one still in progress has no wave pool in the detail, it's just for a commercial building with what looks like a resort size swimming pool.

Dig deeper boys. There is more to this story...

Maybe go back to the 'source' of the Stapylton site on the GC side of the river. What happened with THAT tip?

There's a reason Webber can't get these projects to even break ground. It's in the IP ;)

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stunet commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 8:23pm

You seem to know a lot mate, at least you think you do, and you've commented 3 x more than anyone else on every single article.

Anyone would think you're a rival investor.

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gcuts commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:29am

100% not a rival investor nor do I have any interest in any wave pool company, technology etc.

I'm just sick of Webber PR BS given airtime on here without your usual good journalistic scrutiny.

Please look at the application lodged and details in the official council lodged documents. They do not support the 'story' you've been given.

It was, what, August LAST YEAR, that you ran a story spruiking Webber "construction starts in 6 weeks"... Come on, surely you realise the PR marketing BS?

Do you, or swell net, or Ben, or anyone else, or any associated company, trust, super fund, have an interest in this Webber pool tech, company, etc. ???

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thermalben commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 9:10am

No-one from Swellnet has any financial interest in the Webber pool tech or the company.

Also happy to go on the record that I have no interest in ANY company other than Swellnet.

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lostdoggy commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 9:44am

People on here keep asking what's happening with Webber wave pools as all the other ones keep hitting the market ahead of him.
So you don't want them to report what they find out?

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udo commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 6:27pm

WTF ?
DA still showing as lodged 23/5 ?

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lostdoggy commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 6:29pm

Link says withdrawn 22 May.
Maybe they resubmitted something on 23/5?

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gcuts commented Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 8:13pm

Exactly.

Clearly shows withdrawn.

But, application on foot, does NOT have details of a wave pool, see the link I posted, it's just a commercial building change of use and redevelopment.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 2:42am

Darwin currently has Australia's best wave Lagoon built in 2010.
Waterfront precinct also has a Lake Fountain.
This new development compliments by adding a river course + Oasis lagoon.
OZ Wave by Flowrider is the design you see in Promotions. About $4m installed.
(Imagine a whitewater skatebowl wave). Best wavehouse is Durban Double Flow Barrel
*Chicks at Wavehouse Durban (Shreading Drex)
*Two Girls Shread Wavehouse Durban Double Barrel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHvtpErqIM

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fatjackdave commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 7:44am

DA is for a material change of use - not an actual development / building works. Paving the way for the development but drawings and technical specs are purely to get approval for all the listed uses at the approximate scale they have been shown - about 6 soccer fields in size. Another DA will be needed for the building works.

It's Council land and they've given landowners consent so you can assume there's a long lease or at very least a heads of agreement for a long lease - cheaper and less risk to investor to lease and develop than buy land and develop because outlay is minimal up front and linked to building milestones. Also better for Council and provides additional revenue without stumping up the Capital to build something themselves.

Not a cheap process so someone's 6 figures pot committed just to get here. With a lease and DA approval they have the next bargaining tool for more investment dollars. At that point it goes from speculation to something that can be crunched for an investor.

At least that's how I read it - they've got ducks lined up but the ducks won't stump up the cash until Webber can demonstrate some rubber on the road - this is the cheapest option to demonstrate it.

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gcuts commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:31am

Bingo.

It is not for a development, and does not include the wave pool. See the document I linked above. It's for the retail complex.

The one for the pool looks to have been withdrawn on 23 May.

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fatjackdave commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:47am

Not sure what you're talking about. There's two identical applications One withdrawn and one yet to be determined for a Material Change of Use for "Outdoor sport and recreation (wave pool, swimming pool & skate park) and ancillary .......etc"

With documents showing a wave pool the size of about 6 soccer fields.

This is a pretty standard process in a development to work through a Council approval in this fashion. Approve the change of use and get a lease or heads of agreement on the land, secure your funding from investors using this paperwork and then move to the next stage.

I've got no comment on the Wave Pool itself but the development is moving through a fairly standard method when you don't have a big lump of cash or you want to reduce your risk

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stunet commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 8:52am

@ gcuts,

I honestly don't know what you're looking at or how you're accessing PD Online, nor do I have the time to find out, but each time I've clicked onto the website I can see the withdrawn application and the new one complete with wave pool listed, the plans for the wave pool, and the specs for the wave pool.

I'm struggling to figure out what you're talking about and can only surmise you're looking at the wrong application.

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mowgli commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 10:52am

Assuming they've already accounted (or at least will) for SLR and riverine flood risks?

Nothing a big levee can't fix. In fact you could incorporate that fairly seamlessly into the design, eucalypt and grevillea plantins along the top, nice and pretty like, a small grandstand/viewing area....

Anywho, for those interested, pop in the address in to the below. SLR on it's own seems fine, even the more recent low-probability 2m projection from NOAA (2017). But throw on some catchment flooding or a bit of stormtide....

For SLR:
http://coastalrisk.com.au/2017Report/viewer

The flood maps under the 'Overlays (part 8)' drop down...don't know what design event this is but most likely 1% AEP, and not sure if already taking SLR into account (for the sake of their future ratepayers/legal bills I bloody hope so!)
http://www.loganinteractivemapping.com.au/

“Life is a long lesson in humility.”

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 28 May 2018 at 12:19pm

(SN Exclusive) SE/ Qld Water Park Study Paper. (Work in progress)

Standalone Water Parks or even Water Parks within theme Parks are a liability.
Biggest/Fastest/Coolest rides are weened out to cutback massive insurance burden.
Water Parks also pioneer Hwy land to plug future development.(Popular easy access etc.)

Rings true thru Bne Metro Water Parks history. (Gold Coast Precinct buys safety in numbers)

Magic Mountain/Grundys Waterslides (Razorblades/death) onto Condos + Shopping Hi-Rise
2005' Seaworld/Wet'n'Wild/Dreamworld removed Tallest/Fastest/hardest WATER anything.
{R.I.P} Recent tragedy closed down Thunder Rapids + Log ride...(WaterParks are struggling)

1982-1984 Wild Waters Waterslide Park (Big Tap/Crocodile) became Logan Hyperdome

1985'-2001 It's all happening at 'Amazons' too much fun for just one day.
Jindalee Water Park (Death) Closed down ... (2006 DFO Shopping Centre)

1988 Mirage Oxley ( Kid injured) closed mid 1990's

Warrego Water Park cited insurance costs for it's closure.

1986- 2006 Pacific Super Slide (Olympia Themepark) Alexandra Headland/Now Apartments.

Wavepark with just one surfboard rider would terrorize any mother & water babies.
Previous similar rides allowed one rider on board in pool at any one time.
Want more boardriders then pay premium insurance for each added Risk (surfboard).
Fast becoming Paris Hilton's pool party . (Future's so bright I gotta wear shades)

Waterpark goers..." When was the last time you carted 'round your Aqua Planer?"
Just some wicked badass skimboard for freesking Water Park pools.... It's not happening!

Bus [M1] 5,000 Japs/Chinese $200 hour + sticker turn on the waves. Close week one! Retire.
Or nurse same dozen groms on bladed hoverboardz bleeding over only customer at the bar.

Swellnetonians may wade thru Water-Wavepark history another way. Them's the facts!

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tux commented Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 2:08pm

I recieved an email from them yesterday stating that the DA is in and they are very excited

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 30 May 2018 at 9:49am

(SN Exclusive) Wavepool craft capacity always follows the 'clear to go' rule .(Guide only)

Wavepool/Float rings Chockablock as OZ min. (Sardine packed in Asian Wavepools)
River Rapids are mostly free for all dual Tubes or Time released Group Tubes

(Pool capacity) [IMPORTANT] All pool waders are prohibited from end of "ride zones" !

Aqua racers (Mat riders) x 8- 10 riders
Waterslides x 4 riders or giant slides x 2 Dual riders.
Tube Slides x 2 - 4 Tubes ( Combos of 1/2/4/6/8 riders)
Aqua Planners (Toboggans) x 2 Dual riders (Long Banned)
Note: Wipeout zones usually supervised by "Park's Wipeout Bar" prior to ride's shutdown.

Flowrider Body Boards (prone) [L] x 3-4 riders
Flowrider (Flowboards Stand Up) [L] x 4 riders
Flowrider Flowboard (Pro- Stand Up + Booger) x 1 rider
Flowrider (Dual Barrel) [L] x 4 (Tag team)
Flowrider (Dual Barrel) Pro x 2 riders

SurfHouse Body Boards (Prone) [L] x 6 riders
SurfHouse Foam Boards (Stand -Up ) [L] x 4 riders
SurfHouse Fibreglass Boards (Stand Up) x 1 rider

Private Bookings operate on buddy system (His & Hers) Fibreglass boards 2 riders
Mal/SUP/Kayak x 1 rider each
[Bodysurfers] x 2 riders (re : No "swimming/wading" applies in (Bodysurfer's "Ride Zone")

In closing a Wavepark may spruik any number of waves but is still governed by Pool Safety.
Site Access/Insurance/Pool Rules equally governing capacity and or profit of any Wavepool.

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 30 May 2018 at 11:17am

In a perfect world spectators would queue to view the most dynamic surf action.
Such a clever design but forgive me for saying this can't happen with this plan/Layout.

1. Pool entry is via the white wash zone? (Oops!)
2. Barflies pollute kiddies Pool prohibiting safe family entry into wading end. (Hic!)
3. Heaviest wave breaks up straights, in this case Car theives/Cowpats get premium seats.
4. Wave faces vacant inner circle pit crew! ' Did You see me!' " NO! " 'Now!' "NOPE!" C'mon!
5. Toilets are inconveniently positioned to every park user.
6. A Barber? WTF. How does a poolmat of floating hair attract people? (Eco pool filter?)

WavePark is all higgledy-piggledy to me! Perhaps a good thing no one will ever notice.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 2 Jun 2018 at 9:41am

Australia has around 40 river/flow/wave parks... Location/designs/history.....
re: (Swellnet Exclusive) 7, April 2017 'Australia's first wave pool to open late 2017'.

Designs range from ...Wavepools-17/Flow waves-9/River Flow-6/Whirlpool-5/Mix swell-1.

Breakdown of craft type : Body Boards ... 28/Tubes... 27/Flowboards... 11/Surfboards... 4-5

OZ Cruise Ships: Each old/new ship is getting a flowrider fitted.... so add a dozen or so easy.
Ship Flowrider calls girl wearing new bikini oops goes bikini @ flowrider attracts boys.

Is that the perfect Wave Park design or what...? (Back Soon)

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 2 Jun 2018 at 2:05pm

Waveparks of 2018 have summonsed all surf tribes together into the one Wavepool.
I touched on mass appeal in Waco series. Flow waves now suit all makes'n'models.

So what makes a successful Wavepark? (Wavepark designs of 30 years still rule today)
Wet'n'Wild designs were ramped up at Disney/Dubai/ Best Biggest bowl @ Japan Dome.
Traditional 2 Breakwalls + A frame opening out onto beach setting.
(90- 180* Waveface View) Allows 1/2 Park visitors access to pool/contest.(Long successful)

Today we see Wave Garden/Cove basically less than 1/2 this design into a corner pocket .
(Less than 45* Waveface View) 1/8 Park visitors access pool...room for Judge Tower only.
Wave faces away from wall allowing rear view only. Wave dies nearing poor crowd view.

Pipeline (Waco) runs a Breakwall corkscrew run-out wave. (Again Nice Waves)
(Less than 45* Waveface View) 1/2 Park visitors access pool..room for Judge Tower only.
"The breakwall" is not accessible to large crowds/public.
Most of the beach crowd sees waves breaking away from them towards blank wall.

Both designs gather all flotsam into impact zone. Both replay same mono set cam angles

Closed Pier Design KSWP/Snowdonia. Big V 8's naturally collect filth along deep Pier tray.
On that alone! Worldwide Surf parks are now labelled eyesores, these parks fit that bill.
Almost zero view as wave breaks toward Prohibited pier. (Jetski Pooltoy Cam compensates)
Park length crowd see only rear end action. (No Wave face) Rest huddle for 10% dregz view.
Even the far wall restricts peer thru pier review.
Without doubt the largest worst ever contest wavepool ever designed. (Again nice waves)

The Island Swell-wrap as shown here affords wave dregz to whole of park.
Almost zero waveface is revealed to awaiting crowd as wavefaces inner Island.
WSL Island Judges would need a revolving tower to score waves. [Competitors Only Island]
I don't envisage Logan Toll suspension bridge barrel flyover to WSL Island Grandstand .
I mentioned above that public tumble entry via wash zone/Kidz via the Pub...I don't get it!

The barrels look sweet, none denying that guys...Being locals I wish them good fortune.
Note: Swellnetonians know Mr Webber wishes feedback...Info is purely hypothetical.

Above I described OZ Whirlpools even a Wavecresting pool which then deflects waves out.

Surf Lakes is of similar design as in a wave plunger. Mimics open ocean crest rebounds.
Coincidentally mimics Football/Cricket arenas where play flows from centre to endgame.
Affords 360* wave view to unlimited arena size. (Can there be too much of a good thing ?)
Naturally our weather decides such!
Are Surf Lakes over engineering park surfability. (Yes! Ol' yellow [L] vs [P]ro zone is back)
Best laid plans! Wind shifts to onshore mid WSL comp...Can [L] Wave fire up crowd/bar etc.
Just like the Footy there will be worse seats without the sun in your eyes. (Nice Waves)!

Next Gen Wavepool-courses where Crowds line a surfing circuit like (Golf/Car racing).
Surfing a Flowbarrel down a Waterfall spiraling a whirlpool wresting rapids to finish line.

Back to the beginning it seems that 1/2 a crowded wavepark is still a full house.
Wave machines may produce untold waves but Wavepool design determines WSL crowds.
Wavepools have a long leisurely history free of bikini-contests/beer burps/stickers/selfies.
Wild Gangs of pooltoy harnessed Skegz stand ready to crash your wavepool party Oi Oi Oi!

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udo commented Sunday, 24 Jun 2018 at 9:13am

gcuts...whats the current Wavepool DA status ?

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udo commented Saturday, 4 Aug 2018 at 8:41am

DA approved ...or any Wavepool news .....?

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thermalben commented Saturday, 4 Aug 2018 at 9:05am

Yep full DA was approved Monday.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 11:08am

Incorrect.

Not 'full DA' ... it was ONLY a "material change of use" for the site.

See here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

Who other process for the Development, with a LONG list of conditions attached to the 'material change of use' approval.

See here: http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 4 Aug 2018 at 11:44pm

New Qld Wavepools collide with toughest Oz Park Safety as promised by Premier this week.
Since 1986 Qld Wavepools have stricter wavecraft policy than Beach Flags but still flourish!

Get Wet Wavepool Softboard/Booger lessons are confined to afterhours ...2hrs/$85
For safety they're limited to 6 Adults/Instructor or 4 Kidz/Instructor.(under 10 supervision)
Likewise only 2 groups can operate the Wavepool (Roughly 10 SOFT boards a session)
Flow waves are prohibited to free surfers. Personal Boards are banned.(Numbers above)

Wavepool general free-surfing (Giant Wavepool $79/Day) (Huey's Cave of Waves $85/day)
Crowd keeps bobbing'n'bumpin only limited by recommended Park Entry numbers.
Free surfers jawdrop at the value & freedom that Softboard/Boogerz/Flowboarderz enjoy.

Boardriders now enjoy the most affordable uncrowded Wavepool freedoms ever imagined.

New kidz on the block must recognize hard fought boardrider gains in parks.
Introducing sharpened bladed surfboards into general wave park may blow such freedoms.
Mention to Premier that life size cultery set of 250- 1,000 knife'n'fork each other every hour.
That's easily Qld's most terrifying Theme Park Ride add also Oz's most terrifying line-up.

Do well to recall local theme parks surrendered Fibreglass craft for safety compliance.
Equally consider they restrict Wavepool craft to 10/hr as opposed to Lads 1,000/hr.
Big Ticket Losses were- Aqua Planer Taverns/ Pro Surfer Displays + lessons+ Board Shops.
Do Old Wave Parks counter sue for loss of Fibreglass Fortune gifted to Premier's poolboys?

Blowins stamping out Park Safety milking 100 x profits of our Pioneering Wavepool locals.
It would be suicide for Premier to rubberstamp next gen Whiteshoe Wavepool Wannabes?
Build the wavepools but stick to the pool rules...after hour sessions with mates is a start!

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hillsintas commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 1:47pm

http://oceansportsdevelopment.com/news/

NEWS FLASH! Following his presentation this Saturday, September 8, at the Surf Expo at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando, Dev Pathik, Founder and CEO of Sports Facilities Advisory, will hold a press conference at 12:30pm in which he will announce plans for a state-of-the-art, stadium-sized surf pool to be constructed by OSD at the Omni Orlando Resort at ChampionsGate. Utilizing patented wave generation technology developed by legendary surfboard innovator Greg Webber, the $60 million development promises to be a game-changer for the sport of surfing.

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hillsintas commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 2:11pm

New seven minute youtube clip.

GW explains howto control water movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=452&v=5J_MBUHgW6s

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shoredump commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 5:12pm

He’s got the right idea

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 8 Sep 2018 at 9:07pm

Thanx for inside info hillsintas... gotta love Greg's enlightenment
Reverse flow is nothing new in wave pool design.
He speaks of reverse flow patent then barely dips our toes in it ?
Greg never wades us thru a host of Reverse Current Wave pools

Flowrider
Once a flat sloped surface now many variations exist..
Skatebowl/Double Barrel onto flow circuit parks even vert flow current.

Wave Balls.(Round Pools)
Feed off rebound current to spike wave height usually flowing into a lazy river.
360* waves for all and/or a free river run...100's worldwide for over 20 years.

Pool materials..
Soft Inflatable pool insulates current to enable controlled wave spiking
Hard pools ricochet or deflect current for uncontrolled wave spike

Pool surrounds
Overflow channels commonly feed Municipal/Resort's current for extra flow rides
Same principal applies to feeding current to a secondary learners/ kiddies wave zone/pool

Hard/walled (distorted current) or Rebound-Backwash
Usually a feature of a safety wall that promotes a larger unintended wave.
A Stormy sea enters a Ship's pool or could include spray barrel from a fast ride or Dam rides.
See also old school mini me wave pools in regional towns.(Anything goes on Blooper Reel)

No shortage of monster mad waves as to pool size. Pick your fav' then just amp them up!

re: Synergy (India) Wavepoolparty range bundles contorting wave current.
I'd recommend these rogue wave gurus to fire-up your local Olympic poolparty.

Pool shape is a major factor...
Circular wavepool produces largest steepest waves by amplifying repeated current.
Controlled currents shape heart/star even spiked waves in programmed Circular pools
Longer curved wall can also flow a faster current as in a Whirlpooling wave
Return whirlpool can power up next wave from beneath.(This cycles with above flow)
Where surface spike winds up wave face enough to return the force.

Pool depth
Decade old OZ Olympic pools have adjustable floors of 3m depth change.
Not new to multi mode therapeutic wave pools either.
Most here know of pool depth dynamics as in tidal wave speed and shape.

Pool contour
Waves can naturally increase speed by pool floor shape...as in a fountain if you like.
A deepening narrow reverse flow channel can zip line the incoming shallowing wave.
Repetition of complete flow should generate faster higher waves as to pool size

re: Pool games of a People Train rotating a current suddenly switch to create a wave pool.

Aquifers or Water Jets
Already Texas wave pool essentially pipes or massages the wave forward in a straight line.
This tech could very nicely channel a current to speed up a round wave circuit.
Imagine outer wall piping in unison to channel more central Wave height/power/speed

Wind Turbines
Naturally wind force generates waves but in how many ways?
Pipe wind along inside isle walls hitching a ride on a wave as an offshore piper.
Reversing wind currents then race the surface whipping up wave face & opening barrel.

Sound Waves
Simply orchestrating wind/water pipes should be able to shape up a sound wave.
Air pipes are shaped & piped as digital instruments simply record or surf "wipeout".
The wave should shape as the The classic Wipeout (Surf instrumental) Ok! In time!
Pro Hot shot drums his beat into the Wave Pool design then surfs his wave to his beat.
To serenade his beach babe of course. Mind my Towel...Did you record my songwave Babe!

Boil up the surface for a hot ass Heat Wave.
Freeze the pool for a slow-mo slushie Wave Park.
There is no end to this can of worms... Exactly! A mudslide landslip wave if you like.
Didn't even mention the obvious shifty Sandy Bottom seafloor shifting currents...

Swellnetonians can think of 1,000 more in fashion reverse current flavours.
Mix & match as many as you can dream up..then patent them I guess!

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hillsintas commented Tuesday, 11 Sep 2018 at 9:07am

and now a 20 minute youtube clip from the Surf Expo & Ocean Sports Development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75HeKoPE82I

Comments welcome.

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philosurphizing... commented Tuesday, 11 Sep 2018 at 10:40am

Wave pools hosting reality television shows.

I think I'm about to throw up.

I could not listen to the rest of it.

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hillsintas commented Tuesday, 11 Sep 2018 at 11:25am

I enjoyed the comment.........
"They will be called "PARKERS".
A whole new industry will be built to appease Parkers.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 11:13am

Those interested, see my comments in replies above, and for further info you can look up the 'material change of use' application and documents on the Logan City Council DA Tracker (website).

MCUC - 207 / 2018 is the application number

The properties are:

4144-4150 Pacific Highway LOGANHOLME QLD 4129
4152 Pacific Highway LOGANHOLME QLD 4129
4154-4166 Pacific Highway LOGANHOLME QLD 4129

And are all owned by Logan City Council.

See here:

http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

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Lottolonglong commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 7:33pm

What does this mean?

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Coaster commented Thursday, 6 Dec 2018 at 8:55pm

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot.

But no wavepool, apparently.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 7 Dec 2018 at 12:57am

I believe gcuts is showing the paperwork for purchasing additional wave park land.
This was not in original plans that stopped short of showing additional Wave Pool.

gcuts material change of use papers include....
*Overpasses are needed to cater for maximum parking- 1 Bus + 87car [P] + bikes
Bus =50pass + car/bikes = 250 surfers/hr...(500 waves/hr) = 2 waves/surfer per hr

Current Max is 6 surfers per break/hr(4 breaks/125 waves for 6) =20 waves per/hr.

Current nearby Surfboard/Wave pool charges $42/hr (re: Get Wet- 4/Aug/2018)
Open slather all in sees Webber wave pool charging $20/wave approx.
Using Qld Capacity wavepool guide brings price down to a reasonable $2 per wave...

*Wave pool Opening Hours 6:00am -10:00pm (No late weekend pool parties)
*Shaper's Store Hours 7:00am- 6:00pm (Noise Hours)

Site Water Flow Max = 100 L / minute
Park needs 100,000 L / minute for one continuous 20ft wide wave
Tunnel vision plans for Two continuous 20 ft wide waves.
Also need about 100-140HP for each chunky wave.

Here's the crude physics for the horsepower needed for growing your own wave.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/flowrider-design.54090/

This bloke grew a wave in his backyard...just skip the pavers they're fine. Ouch!
You'll need to lasso a tinnie rat to confiscate some oversized Outboard Motors...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEMjhPNFdA&feature=youtu.be

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hillsintas commented Friday, 7 Dec 2018 at 9:17am

Plan submitted for demolition works.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 7 Dec 2018 at 2:39pm

Hillsintas isn't this a great leap forward for Tunnel Vision
Please! If you can wade thru gcuts red tape & translate.

For a start ! I don't think the Motor Inn (red roof) is being demolished.
Surely not? It was central to their plans...
http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/modules/documentmaster/vie...

So Tunnel Vision are running a tape measure over Wave Pool site with view to lease.
From that they have 12 months to submit the Wavepool plans.
This being adjunct to material change of use H'wy frontage (View to lease)

So nothing concrete but steps in right direction. Please correct if that's not the case.

Things going your way hillsintas? (Finally,maybe any step back is good news I bet?)