COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 3:56pm

Colin Powell former US Secretary of State dead from Covid complications whilst double vaxxed. Yep a disease of the unvaxxed ei Roadkill. Or just a cluster fk of mis-information as he also had cancer and Parkinsons disease.

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Roker Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:09pm

"Yesterday 993 had died with the virus, but today’s tally pushes that figure to 1005."

From The Age today. It may have been using this language for a while and I've never noticed, but it struck me that it says, "Yesterday 993 had died with the virus...", not died from the virus.

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:27pm

Yep Roker, start paying attention to this. They have been using that language since the start. The QLD Chief Health Minister Dr Jeannette Young is on camera openly saying you could die from a car crash with covid and be listed as a covid death. Just as the Victorian health dude said on camera last week in relation to vaccines 'choose your poison'. Its how they do it. We're being told openly its a scam on the one hand but on the other its made to look like you legally have to participate. Its all fluff.

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Roadkill Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:34pm
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Colin Powell former US Secretary of State dead from Covid complications whilst double vaxxed. Yep a disease of the unvaxxed ei Roadkill. Or just a cluster fk of mis-information as he also had cancer and Parkinsons disease.

You answered you own dumbass post.
He had multiple myeloma, a blood cancer in which malignant plasma cells overtake the space usually reserved for normal plasma cells that fight off infections...it also effects medication efficacy.
Yes..still a disease of the unvaccinated. If only you knew how to interpret that info..you would not have made your pist.

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Stok Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:38pm

Just to quickly snuff out the idiot discussion around this died WITH covid stuff.....

How do you think people die from viruses? Do you think the virus 'kills them' by stopping their heart beat? Then it's a simple post mortem where there's a nice little label for the people in white coats to see - 'oh, this person died of covid'.

No - it attacks various systems in the body and even potentially the immune response is what actually causes the person to die. Same thing goes with people who die due to influenza. Pre-conditions significantly exacerbate this clearly, and the actual direct cause of death is not straightforward.

It's like saying oh the oven in my house is on fire (pre-condition)....let's pour gasoline all over the rest of the house (covid) and see what happens. House burns down.....

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:38pm

Anyone seen this recent ad from the Commonwealth Dept of Health?

"Hitting the dance floor or hitting the road. To keep doing the things we love there's something we all need to do first. Book your COVID-19 vaccination".

I.e. To win your freedoms back you need to do what we tell you. Anastasia P put out a message this morning 'You can't be saved if you don't get on the lifeboat. Its time to get vaccinated'

Desperation? Running out of time? The fact that the emergency declaration(s) comes to an end soon suggests so. Beyond that they cannot continue with the roll out of COVID vaccines as they are only approved for emergency use.

Our constitution protects us from any force or coercion in relation to a medical procedure. These messages along with the suppression of alternative therapies like Ivermectin and HCO put these guys in a very compromised position from a legal stand point.

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:47pm

Ah roadkill, that was the point of my comment about a cluster fk of miss information. You aren't too sharp are you.

You keeping an eye on Florida? 45% drop in COVID cases, no masks, no lockdowns, no passports, no mandatory jabs. Bet you were one of those calling the Florida Governor 'DeathSantis' when he refused the draconian COVID policies we are privileged to be surrounded by.

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:50pm

Just before Melbourne opens up, exposure site list (edit: the visual map, rather) for city reduces to 5 sites

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/case-alerts-public-exposure-sites

wtf must be safe

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Roadkill Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 4:56pm
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Ah roadkill, that was the point of my comment about a cluster fk of miss information. You aren't too sharp are you.

You keeping an eye on Florida? 45% drop in COVID cases, no masks, no lockdowns, no passports, no mandatory jabs. Bet you were one of those calling the Florida Governor 'DeathSantis' when he refused the draconian COVID policies we are privileged to be surrounded by.

There was no misinformation or clusterfuck...just you trying to find excuses. 100% a covid death.

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Roadkill Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 5:01pm

Shorty, how about you answer that travel question? I bet your standards will be ignored when your own little thought process will interfere with what you want to do.

And I am not too smart..haven't claimed to be

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Roadkill Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 5:06pm
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Ah roadkill, that was the point of my comment about a cluster fk of miss information. You aren't too sharp are you.

You keeping an eye on Florida? 45% drop in COVID cases, no masks, no lockdowns, no passports, no mandatory jabs. Bet you were one of those calling the Florida Governor 'DeathSantis' when he refused the draconian COVID policies we are privileged to be surrounded by.

You find that post I called him DeathSantis or similar and I will donate $200.00 to cancer research. You donate $200 to cancer research if you don't backup what you claim I said.

. Over to you.

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 5:17pm

Your question about flying - do I ever want to fly again? Yes. I took a flight today for business interstate and am currently in the lounge. And? As for international travel, that will open up again once this house of cards falls down.

Re backing up.... Are you talking about what I claimed you said or posted?

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san Guine Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 7:17pm
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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 7:44pm

Stitch up

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san Guine Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:07pm

I'd recommend an ACD (regardless of the pandemic) to anyone competent to make a decision about their own health care. Don't leave it for you family to decide...

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etarip Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:43pm

Shorto, what’s your reference for this statement: “ Our constitution protects us from any force or coercion in relation to a medical procedure”?

Is that explicit? I haven’t seen any constitutional (High Court) challenges. The terms of s51 xxiii are oft quoted, but don’t seem to have not been successfully used to challenge public health orders.

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Pokitren Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:46pm
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Shorto, what’s your reference for this statement: “ Our constitution protects us from any force or coercion in relation to a medical procedure”?

Is that explicit? I haven’t seen any constitutional (High Court) challenges. The terms of s51 xxiii are oft quoted, but don’t seem to have not been successfully used to challenge public health orders.

And that's really the big question! Why doesn't the High Court see coercion in this? I see coercion. And I think many more do. But the High Court doesn't. How should this be understood?

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:52pm

Mate I don’t have it in front of me now but go back through the threads and I reference the specific clauses.

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shortenism Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:55pm

Actually thinking about it I did that on a thread SN since deleted.. I’ll have to circle back.

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etarip Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:55pm

Yeah, I’ve read them. But I haven’t seen a successful challenge against mandatory vaccinations yet. Looks like there’s been some attempts, but none have gotten up.

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etarip Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 8:57pm

“And that's really the big question! Why doesn't the High Court see coercion in this? I see coercion. And I think many more do. But the High Court doesn't. How should this be understood?”

Well, I guess there’s what you see and then there’s what the legal interpretation of the term ‘civil conscription’ actually means.

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etarip Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:03pm

This seems to sum it up:
https://www.aap.com.au/constitutional-clause-doesnt-ban-vaccine-mandates...

“THE VERDICT

Several legal experts say that the Australian Constitution’s “civil conscription” clause does not render mandatory COVID-19 vaccines illegal, although no such mandate has been introduced in the country for the general population.

They say this section only prevents the government from forcing doctors and dentists to undertake tasks against their will and it does not apply to the broader public. However, others have argued the same clause could be construed as extending the right of refusal to individual patients.”

It may feel like coercion, it may even be coercion, but the section of the constitution quoted doesn’t look like it holds the legal relevance to deal with it.

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Supafreak Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:27pm

Here’s the latest from Professor Petrovsky and his Australian made vaccine . He certainly pulls no punches in what he thinks of the current federal government and the TGA . Yes he stands to personally profit from this but there are bigger issues that need answering here and it seems like same shit different day from Scotty and co. Its a 33 minutes interview.

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blindboy Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:41pm

I'll stick with the TGA. They've done well so far.

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Supafreak Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 9:44pm

Blindboy as usual you haven’t even looked at the video . To make that statement shows how closed your mind is .

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saltyone Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:00am

Yes! Thankyou superfreak. All there in a nutshell - the propaganda that big pharmaceutical companies push onto govts ., sign the dotted line.. was always clear , and even stated in their own documents about media and the “sell”.
Dishonest mob

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blindboy Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 7:29am

supafreak your credibility rating is pretty low after your shambolic attempts to justify ivermectin. So yes I will continue to trust the TGA over youtubers whose claims don't check out. The latest one seems to be more of the same low quality bullshit. This is more credible.
https://www.sypharma.com.au/covax-19-2/

And you should probably read this.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-a-false-science-cure-became-australi...

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Supafreak Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 8:29am

@ blindboy , you should probably read this https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2e/ but you won’t because it doesn’t support your narrative. I’m beginning to think you work for pig pharma.

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Vic Local Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 8:42am
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@ blindboy , you should probably read this https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2e/ but you won’t because it doesn’t support your narrative. I’m beginning to think you work for pig pharma.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa supafreak, you're an absolute joke.
I actually clicked on that link and it doesn't promote or even list any benefits of ivermectin use for the treatment of covid.
You're a visual person right. You see a pretty chart (titled "Table 2e. Characteristics of Antiviral Agents That Are Approved or Under EVALUATION for the Treatment of COVID" ) and post it as evidence to support your insane pro-ivermectin agenda. You're obviously not a word person because if you actually read the document, you'd realise it doesn't help your argument one little bit.
Fair dinkum supafreak, were you trying to shred your own cred?

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 8:57am
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Supafreak Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 9:23am
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Supafreak wrote:

@ blindboy , you should probably read this https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2e/ but you won’t because it doesn’t support your narrative. I’m beginning to think you work for pig pharma.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa supafreak, you're an absolute joke.
I actually clicked on that link and it doesn't promote or even list any benefits of ivermectin use for the treatment of covid.
You're a visual person right. You see a pretty chart (titled "Table 2e. Characteristics of Antiviral Agents That Are Approved or Under EVALUATION for the Treatment of COVID" ) and post it as evidence to support your insane pro-ivermectin agenda. You're obviously not a word person because if you actually read the document, you'd realise it doesn't help your argument one little bit.
Fair dinkum supafreak, were you trying to shred your own cred?

Oh look its the blindboy back up team , the facts are dickyboy that two major trials are currently underway in the US , one is the active 6 which is sponsored by the NIH the other by a university, then there’s Monash university trials and the UK principal trials. Then there’s the legal storm in the US with pharmacy trying to block doctors legal prescriptions and the AG in certain states stepping in . You pair don’t have a problem with the government not supporting what may be the best and safest vaccine yet from Professor Petrovsky . Go ahead have a rant I’m off for my second surf today .

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shortenism Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:11am

Surely Roadkill..... Surely, you are seeing through this crap!!? Man, stop buying it!! Its cooked up propaganda to get ppl (actually ppl like you) hook line and sinkered.

How convenient. An Uber driver, unvaccinated, in SE QLD and they are setting up the hate (trying to nail him for not using QR and the fact he's fit (which will piss off the unfit unhealthy cohort). Oh yeah and that young and reckless persona.. All the while Anastasia P is basically begging for ppl to get vaccinated to get her quota up.. Good for a laugh and frustrating as hell that these muppets will likely push a lockdown as soon as they can.

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:37am
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Surely Roadkill..... Surely, you are seeing through this crap!!? Man, stop buying it!! Its cooked up propaganda to get ppl (actually ppl like you) hook line and sinkered.

How convenient. An Uber driver, unvaccinated, in SE QLD and they are setting up the hate (trying to nail him for not using QR and the fact he's fit (which will piss off the unfit unhealthy cohort). Oh yeah and that young and reckless persona.. All the while Anastasia P is basically begging for ppl to get vaccinated to get her quota up.. Good for a laugh and frustrating as hell that these muppets will likely push a lockdown as soon as they can.

Get people like me to do what?

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blindboy Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:41am

Ha ha ha! Move along now, nothing to see here but the same old ivermectin nonsense recycled or is that re-recycled or even re-re-recycled. How many times have we been round this loop?

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shortenism Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:49am

get ppl like you to perpetually and aggressively support a regime, which has setup a system of continually threatening our freedoms by continually removing them and continually giving less back than they take away unless we continually obey.

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:54am
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get ppl like you to perpetually and aggressively support a regime, which has setup a system of continually threatening our freedoms by continually removing them and continually giving less back than they take away unless we continually obey.

A regime, no less.

Lmao....fark that's funny.

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blindboy Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:08pm

shortenism it may be time for you to spend a bit more time thinking about your responsibities and less about your freedoms. The spreading of misinformation during a pandemic, which is exactly what you are doing, is irresponsible.

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Supafreak Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:16pm
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Ha ha ha! Move along now, nothing to see here but the same old ivermectin nonsense recycled or is that re-recycled or even re-re-recycled. How many times have we been round this loop?

Maybe you can write a letter to the governments and universities conducting these trials and tell them to stop this nonsense now . Once they realise who you are and that you have higher credentials than Professor Clancy plus many other professional scientists and researchers and more knowledge than Professor Borody on treating covid patients then I’m sure they will all stop this nonsense. Then you and Dr Dick Vocal m.a.d . can skip happily through the tulips. I’m off again now going for surf number 3 today , bit below average surf but water is sensational .

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:17pm
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shortenism it may be time for you to spend a bit more time thinking about your responsibities and less about your freedoms. The spreading of misinformation during a pandemic, which is exactly what you are doing, is irresponsible.

People like shortenism don't care, they are wrapped up in their own little world and refuse to bend to the greater good. Selfish and a me me me attitude. Thankfully only the really stupid ones are left now..screaming about freedom and liberty (their freedom only).

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shortenism Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:20pm

Tell me BB and how is what you are doing responsible? Promoting/supporting/pushing for a state of continual shit fkery? You got kids? Stand up for yourself and your family. Stop being a pussy.

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shortenism Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:22pm

Greater good!?. Show me one thing in all this that is for the greater good? Please?

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:25pm
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get ppl like you to perpetually and aggressively support a regime, which has setup a system of continually threatening our freedoms by continually removing them and continually giving less back than they take away unless we continually obey.

You're sounding more like blowin daily. Take a big deep breath. Your posts are ramping up the conspiracy line and full of mad anger.

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:26pm
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Greater good!?. Show me one thing in all this that is for the greater good? Please?

No.

If you haven't worked it out yet, you never will....we will just go round and round in circles. It's all been said.

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blindboy Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:33pm

Well for a start I debunk some of the bullshit posted here and provide links to authoritative sources. And yes I do have children. My daughter is currently in charge of triage at a major Sydney hospital and deals daily with people fooled by the type of fucking bullshit you and others like you vomit up here and, no doubt elsewhere. She is exhausted and facing another peak in the next month. So in my judgement you are just another deluded no nothing fuckwit pushing your shit here because no-one in the real world will listen anymore. It's over mate you are in a tiny minority of fools. Common sense and good policy have saved us from the type of death tolls seen elsewhere. Get over it.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 1:29pm

Good news just out . Dan is still following the lead of the NSW premier .

Lucky for us in Vic that Dan ( and other premiers ) has someone setting a good example and the agenda .

BREAKING NEWS: Dan Andrews ends hotel quarantine in Melbourne for fully vaccinated international arrivals - following Dominic Perrottet's lead .

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shortenism Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 1:52pm

Ahh here we go... u got kids that old and you’re calling yourself blindboy? Weirdo. How about blindman. Suits you better. Youre fooled into blaming COVID for the impact on the health system. How about broaden your horizons and look at the base load of issues. Oh and also the fact that 100s have departed positions to escape a jab they don’t want.

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freeride76 Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 1:54pm

Shorto, how invested in your position are you?

If, 2,3, 5 years down the track it looks like we did roughly the right thing to cut down on deaths and minimise the disease burden would you be capable of moderating your position?

Is your world view falsifiable in any way?

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shortenism Friday, 22 Oct 2021 at 2:28pm

Freeride, I'm not sure invested is the right word. Open mind, is how i'm approaching it. I'm ready for anything to play out with all this. Time will tell.