Submitted by thermalben on Tue, 02/28/2012 - 18:47
Alright, time for some discussion on what yr all listening too. My iTunes inventory is getting a little stale so I'm up for some inspiration.
Currently loving The Drones' album "Havilah".. incredible songwriting and some of the best recorded guitars and drum I've heard in a long time. I'm a little late to the party with this album but it's on high rotation at the moment and will probably stay there a while. I've seen these guys live once (Fowlers, Adelaide) and fortunately they're incredible on stage too. Can't wait to see them again.
Zed was legendary.
Wonder if the kids are calling in Triple Zee these days?
Zed's dead baby.
I listened to both RRR & 3PBS broadcast from Melb through 90s and 00's and 4ZZZ Brisbane in the 90s going into 00's when lived on Goldie
And even a bit of 2SER Sydney through periods of the 90s
RRR was easily the best of the lot through the 90s to early 00 at least, easily had the most indie/alternative/punk programs, live performances, interviews etc and much of it was through the day not just late night early morning, pretty much all day you could hear decent music and programs, those days are gone now though.
That whole indie/alternative/live music aspect seems to have faded off now lots of other crap, i think it's as much about ticking culture diversity boxes to get some government funding these days though,
Only good thing now is with the internet there is lots of on demand stuff so you can catch up on some of the better stuff played late at night.
Face it Indo. You're getting old. Young people have different music tastes to you. They are the ones manning community radio these days.
I might be getting old and my music taste more in the late 80s through to early 00's
But it's not even that, in the 90s RRR & 3PBS was very live music focussed most programs were music based and a huge focus was on live music local and international acts, all the time they had gigs advertised for bands playing locally, public radio like RRR main focus was on supporting live music.
Now music shows seem to make up a much lesser proportion of overall programming and most of it is pushed to late night early morning programming rather than 9 to 5 programming, and the music programs aren't as focussed on supporting live music.
I discussed this with someone in the know and they explained that its about government funding to get the funding they need to tick boxes to cater for different minority/ethnic/social groups etc
In the past maybe the funding requirements were different or maybe it wasn't as big factor as they had more sponsorship money from hotel and record stores etc because the whole period was such a boom time for live guitar based music especially for independent labels with the whole explosion of Indie music going mainstream.
There is also other influences at work, the whole way music is made and consumed is now totally different.
We have gone from music being something you had to invest in, you bought a record and you had to give it a good listen because its all you had and you had invested good money in it, now its all online close to free and about songs not albums, people listen to a song for a few seconds and then they are like nah next (im guilty of that too) problem is it means more catchy throw away music is made instead of music that needs time to appreciate to understand. (although the success of bands like King Lizard go totally against that theory)
Music has also changed in the sense that in analogue days you needed a band, and to play live and a label this filtered out a lot of crap, now anyone can make music you dont need to be able to play an instrument, you just need a PC in your bedroom and away you go, then there is auto tune for vocals, and no need for a record label to get it out to the public.
Anyway not sure where im going with this, i just wish public radio would support real live music, i dont care if i like it or not, i just want to be exposed to it on public radio but its just not there, its rare even now to hear gigs advertised.
Ad Trlple J, fuck its like rejected Top 40
Anyway on a similar topic for perspective on how much music has changed.
In just six weeks all these classic albums were released.
Aug 12th Metallicas- Black album
Aug 27th Pearl Jam- Ten
Sep 17th Gn & Rs- Use your illusion 1 & 2
Sep 24th Nirvanas- Nevermind
Sep 24th Soundgarden- Bad motor finger
Sep 24th Red hot Chilli peppers- Blood sugar sex magic
BTW. My musically taste is more than just the 90s, the late 60s early 70s was also a super rich period for music, you could probably find similar periods of classic album releases and the musicians of that period were arguably even more talented.
You can go through the 60, 70, 90, even 00's and name absolute classic bands and artist.
Beatles, Stones, Led Zep, Sabbath, Doors, Hendrix, Neil Young, U2, REM, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Metallica, AC/DC, The Cure just to name a few, bands with long careers that pack out gigs and left us amazing albums...
But where's the next generation of classic bands/artist that are going to have a similar legacy?
Who's going to be remembered in the same manner from the last 10 even 15 years or so?
There are currently people/bands making records as good as, and better than the artists that you just mentioned.
Fact is, and you touched on this indo, the way we consume music has radically changed in the last 15 years. In turn, and you mentioned this as well, it has changed how music is made. However, you think there's more disposable "catchy" music being produced. I put it to you that there's comparatively less of that sort of music now, as bands are no longer captives of parasitic record companies, thus less throw-away attempts at radio hits to keep that label happy are being shat out.
The lack of record company interference and ability to record on a shoestring budget, at home, gives artists the time and leeway to make bolder and more specialised artistic statements. This, and the fact that you can literally put your music out as soon as you make it, is giving us the opportunity to discover excellent music daily if we want to. You just have take the time to sort the wheat from the chaff,
The old, tired system is redundant, and thank fuck for that. It may mean there will never again be a band as terrible, yet as ubiquitous as The Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
"There are currently people/bands making records as good as, and better than the artists that you just mentioned."
Give me five artist and albums that will be considered by most music fans as being worthy of sitting alongside all the classics I've listed
Personally there is many others i consider just as good from the 90s like Dino Jr, Sonic Youth, Pavement, Sebadoh, Kyuss etc but in reality these are more a niche scene and not considered classics by the much wider music audience/press
Im looking at things from a broader perspective than just personal taste or opinion.
What bands and albums are going to sit along side the greats of the 60,70, 80,90, even 00"s ????
Indo, you realise all those artists and albums you listed from decades ago weren’t instant, stand the test of time classics?
It’s taken years to get to that point and it’s only with time that they have reached that status.
So to ask some one to name current day artists that are still going to be spoken about decades down the track is pointless.
I thought PBS and RRR didn't get any government funding, with PBS being the genre specialising music station.
I personally like the fact that I can Spotify pretty much anything (although even Shazam sometimes doesn't recognise some of the tunes I listen to) have it instantly available and delete it when it bores me. Maybe I just find music more ephemeral, here one day gone the next!
As for complaining about the demise of 'classic' music - different times, different styles, more diversity, different tastes, ebbs and flows, evolving, devolving, genre -bending and borrowing. Classic albums are just that, viewed in retrospect. Compared to the dearth of music choice I had when I growing up, the present is like a musical nirvana.
Vive la difference!
Nah they are subscribed funded but also get some government funding.
Free your mind and your arse will follow.
Balls of fire
You missed my point indo. People don't consume music like they used to. People don't have to wait for major labels to tell them what to buy. The market share is spread thin. Bands just don't enter the artistic zeitgeist like Nirvana anymore. With the possible exception of Nevermind, there are better records being made than in that 6 week list often. And like goofyfoot said, only time and nostalgia has those looked at as classic albums, and that's subjective. The RHCP suck total ass, and that's not even an opinion.
Im honestly curious what albums do you think are better today or even as good?
Give us five, I'm not going to try to prove they are not just curious what people would rate so highly.
And it is just opnion on chilli peppers. blood sugar sex magic is very highly regarded would make any best of list that had 50 albums or more even californication i expect would make most list.
Do you really want me to? Or will you just poo-poo them because you're stuck in a time warp and won't be able to rate them properly without the benefit of nostalgia or the prism of cultural impact?
Or the fact that musical taste is simply one persons opinion on something.
I could tell you Nirvana are shit-house indo until Im blue in the face but Im still not going to convince you.
"Or the fact that musical taste is simply one persons opinion on something."
...and now that opinion is less like to be be informed by marketing or what's flavour of the month.
I’m still humming hot n cold by Katy Perry and it’s a decade old already. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it endures unto the next millennium.
Future humans will probably assume she’s some kind of ample breasted semi deity like Amanthaunta.
And they’d be correct.
Which is why we have to use general consensus in this topic rather than personal opinion.
For example Radio heads Ok computer, i own it and listened to it about 50 times, i personally really dont think it's that strong has the odd really good song but to me lots of average songs too.
Yet i still have to acknowledge that it's rated as one of the best albums ever.
Can't tell me that if the record label model was the same as in the early 90's that this band wouldn't be fucken huge with the angsty young person set. I mean, relatively they are, but it's a different ballgame.
I get that music is influenced by time and place and nostalgia etc.
Thats not the point.
Wheres five albums you think are better than the classics?
BTW. I do seek out new music but i just find it so hard as its like digging through piles of dirt to find jewels, and it really hard to force yourself to invest the time needed in new music as its so disposable.
I think there is also a everything has been done before factor no matter what your hear, you are always comparing it to something else, like argh yeah its okay but if i wanted to listen to Sabbath id listen to Sabbath type of thing.
This factor isn't as there when you are young as you often dont know that what you are listening to has already been down before.
Maybe it's my generations fault too.
Late 60/70s music grew from Blues.
Late 80/90s music grew from punk/hardcore.
Maybe what we put out in the late 80s/90s isn't a good base Indi/alternative
Anyway i get its all quite subjective
Talking about music being influenced by time and space ....that’s exactly the reason I just put up Katy Perry. Back when my missus and I were doing FIFO and spending every fifth week in Bali we had this hell routine where we’d go to the beach early and I’d surf myself into the ground and then in the arvo we’d cruise around in town so she could get her fill of checking the shops.
I’d accompany her and park up somewhere nearby and get a snack and a Bintang and be subject to the shop music the Indos love to play at a volume to make your ears bleed. All the pop hits of the day would be on high repetition in every shop you went near. So whilst I didn’t realise it at the time I was being seriously indoctrinated into an appreciation of Katy Perry , SIA , Rhianna etc etc
Full on Clockwork Orange style brainwashing to the point that whenever I hear any of those pop classics these days I can’t help but break into a broad smile
Better than the classics? Depends what you call classics obviously. These bands you mentioned, Dino Jr, Sonic Youth, Pavement, Sebadoh, Kyuss, all had better albums than in that video of overrated shit, Bar Nirvana. Although equally as good.
Here's some fucking great albums from the last few years.
Big Thief, U.F.O.F.
Aldous Harding, Designer
Tyler Childers, Purgatory
Kevin Morby, City Music
Sarah Mary Chadwick, Sugar Still Melts in the Rain
Gulch - Impenetrable Cerebral Fortress (Closed Casket Activities)
That's off the top of my head. I could go on and on. I understand as you get older it becomes harder to look out for good new music, but to say there's nothing good around comparable to when you could is totally bogus.
Here's another angle.
I was late to the party in discovering Refused, specifically their '98 album The Shape of Punk to Come - I think it was probably '04 or '05. Fucking love it.. and it's still on high rotation.
Anyway, I recently started looking into the history of the band and was amazed to find that it wasn't received very well at first:
"Initially, the album was both a commercial and critical failure, with little media coverage and mixed reception from fans and critics alike; some even refused to rate it because of its stylistic divergence. The United States tour to support the album was canceled halfway. They were joined by Washington, D.C.'s Frodus and only completed eight shows in half-empty basements and coffeehouses, finishing in a chaotic performance in a basement of Harrisonburg, Virginia that, after four songs, was shut down by police. They described these concerts as "emotionally devastating" and "an awful experience", which finally led to their break-up after a rough internal fight in Atlanta, Georgia."
Point being, at what point does an album define an era? The Shape of Punk to Come was recorded in '97, released in '98 but has been most relevant to me twenty plus years later.
Subjective Sure Is
Massive Attacks trip hop masterpiece.
Have you seen "Refused are Fucking Dead" Ben? Doco about the end of that part of their career? It's pretty grim.
One can only imagine the joyous good times going down on that internal flight.
Nah haven't seen it Hiccup - must check it out.
talking of classics - I know I've said it a few times on here, but I have to repeat, Pixies were the big game changer for me. There's a shitload of live stuff on youtube, a lot from more recent years, but the earlier stuff is most worthy of digging into. Maybe a sweetspot - gigs from around 89 - early 90s, they were on fire. I recently came across this 91 recording of a performance at the Brixton Academy. If you have any appreciation of Pixies and havent seen this - you must check it out. It is an epic performance. Massive setlist, including classics at the time, there's not a bad song in this. Sound is great, and Frank Black's voice, man, incredible. Brace yourself for the grand finale. You should be clapping at the end
Cheers mate. I’ll save that for an arvo session in the future.
Sheesh! Did someone say Stupids?
Love band type family trees/ Lineages especially when all great bands.
Started with Tassie band the Phillstines that moved to SA and even had the odd song on late 80s early 90s surf videos.
Then from the ashes formed the very underrated Freeloaders not the best quality recording here, but awesome song, they had a few rippers, should have got more attention than they did.
Then from those ashes i believe at least one member went on to Rocket Science, who also have some great songs in that Aussie garage style.
Check the vid. They know their onions. If you don't...well, you're kinda a kook, yeah?
Didn't know Talking Heads put out an album without David Byrne.
Had a brief listen to several songs.
This appears to be the standout track.
Juliette Lewis . Girl got it going on
Earl 16, wonderful reggae singer.
Pops up on lots of peoples albums.
Triffic album this one Dubxanne Police in Dub
Game of thrones. https://youtu.be/6i0a7RDPkM8
Showed this to my cat and he turned into a space puma.
Now that is a space jam!
Saw this flick on SBS the other day. Nice little film.
Old mate even referenced the Butthole Surfers' The Shah Sleeps in Lee Harvey's Grave at one stage. Someone knows their onions.
I borrowed my Bro's car for week once. Cassette player. One cassette. Double Buttholes. That song included.
Eventually got to like it.
My younger brother has every piece of vinyl from the Butthole Surfers. Bootlegs, rarities, weird pressings etc etc
Being the traveller I had the cassettes, then cds, and later still, the downloads. One of the creepiest, funniest, and out-there goofball bands of all time...from an all-time golden era of US underground music. Ah, the 80s! Truly the best and worst of times!
Their Oz tour in 91 was a blast. Zealots on acid! Them and us!
Paul Leary, guitar loon from the aforementioned, and his latest gear.
Love me some Butthole Surfers. A band I was in in year 12 covered The Shah Sleeps in Lee Harvey's Grave, and bugger me if I didn't used to get hella ripped and crank the first song on Hairway... up to 11. Anyway, you said onions.
How many times do you hear this saying and it takes you back to the mid 90's when Triple J was a bit more risqué.
Hated JJJ then, and songs like this were part of the reason why. "Phunk junkeez" also managed to pack 2 heinous crimes against band names into theirs. Referencing a genre that their music involves, and spelling their name wAcKiLy. Truly awful.