Ticks, tocked!

thermalben's picture
thermalben started the topic in Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 8:35am

Been a few mentions of ticks in the FC notes lately so I thought it was time for a thread. Especially seeing that - amazingly - until this morning, I've never had one, despite decades of camping all over the place.

Anyway, this morning I got out of the shower, had some tension in my back muscles, looked in the mirror and momentarily thought a melanoma had increased exponentially in size.

But, lo and behold, a tick was borrowed into my skin. My wife managed to get most (but not all) of it out.

So, other than a good pair of tweezers and a steady hand, anyone else have a recommended strategy?

thermalben's picture
thermalben's picture
thermalben Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 8:35am

Oh, and here's a pic.

GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 8:58am

Think you should have frozen the bugger first Ben thereby avoiding the release of its saliva which contains the nasty stuff. You will want to get it all out thou. What’s Craig’s advice?

lostdoggy's picture
lostdoggy's picture
lostdoggy Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 9:01am

I used to use a methylated spirit cotton ball and soak them before using tweezers but apparently you're not meant to do that and they recommend a freeze spray from the chemist.

blindboy's picture
blindboy's picture
blindboy Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 9:04am

Ha ha prepare for the itch! I got one on my back last week and accidentally scratched it off leaving most of the head in. You can get devices from the chemist that freeze them off and it is worth doing as they can cause a nasty allergy.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/ticks-bring-on-...

stunet's picture
stunet's picture
stunet Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 9:05am

Tik Tox. Don't mess about, freeze the little fucker. Hit it swiftly before it can pump more toxins into you.

Woke up with one last week burrowed deep into my forearm, which began to swell like a lopsided Hulk. Needed antihistamines and continual lathering of steroid cream to stop the bastard itching - which is arguably the worst aspect of ticks.

udo's picture
udo's picture
udo Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 9:29am

bonza's picture
bonza's picture
bonza Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 9:31am

I have special tick removal tweezers – the plastic ones. Where you twist don’t pull.
I have the scab cream which I use on the nymphs or on the kids and or both.
I use the freeze thing for the bigger ones (not for kids)
So I’ll cream and or freeze first. Leave for several hours to ensure they are dead. Then twist them out with tick tweezers.
Mate ive even taken my kid to ED for removal of a nymph – it was so tiny I couldn’t get it out.
Ticks scare the shit out of me. I treat everyone like a life death operation. Haha. But serious.

Don’t use metho!! Hahah

https://www.allergy.org.au/about-ascia/info-updates/how-to-remove-ticks-...

thermalben's picture
thermalben's picture
thermalben Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 9:44am

Udo, I'm not watching a video with a title like that. In this case, the less I know the better, I reckon.

zenagain's picture
zenagain's picture
zenagain Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 10:13am

From my dog not so long ago. Usually get a couple every season. Evil little things they are. Can't stand them.

Ps- I try and push the tweezers down below the skin and ease the head out. Not easy.

seaslug's picture
seaslug's picture
seaslug Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 2:46pm

Ticks, yeah evil fuckers. I remember seeing a dog in PNG, well it was more ticks than dog, poor thing, absolutely covered with them. Do you get paralysis ticks in Japan Zen?

seaslug's picture
seaslug's picture
seaslug Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 2:47pm

Always wear gloves when dealing with ticks. The ticks found on your dog are very effective disease carriers, and some of these diseases can also affect you and your family.

seaslug's picture
seaslug's picture
seaslug Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 2:50pm

You don’t want to flush a live tick down the toilet because they can crawl back up

bonza's picture
bonza's picture
bonza Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 3:26pm
seaslug wrote:

You don’t want to flush a live tick down the toilet because they can crawl back up

well that's just great. if i wasn't scared enough

garyg1412's picture
garyg1412's picture
garyg1412 Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 3:34pm

Empty tick versus full tick

ceYcdex

seaslug's picture
seaslug's picture
seaslug Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 3:43pm

One fat firker

indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 4:11pm

When i was living in a Kombi van traveling the east coast on the dole as a grommet.

I had headache one day, didn't think much of it until i found a tick in my forehead hairline, due to the place it was i went to the Doctors to get it pulled off.

Different kombi van and different trip with an X we went all the way past Cairns. and went for a short walk too some rapids in some rainforest type place, i didn't wear shoes, got back to the van and i had half a dozen leaches over my feet, most of them had started sucking me too.

groundswell's picture
groundswell's picture
groundswell Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 7:33pm

over east i used to go to one secret spot and almost every time would come back with ticks..small ones though but stopped surfing there anyway.
The golfcoarse here is pretty good so i bought a set of golf clubs then went to play a round and came home with two huge kangaroo ticks..haven't played golf since.

goofyfoot's picture
goofyfoot's picture
goofyfoot Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 8:04pm

I had never seen a tick until last week when I had a big blue tongue lizard in the yard and it had two ticks on it just behind its head.
I yanked them off and threw them in the garden but in hindsight I probably should of squashed the fuckas

tubeshooter's picture
tubeshooter's picture
tubeshooter Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 10:17pm

Little buggers get around like 'The Predator'. They drop out of the foliage unseen using a high tech Haller's organ on the forelegs which "can detect CO2, ammonia or pheromones .It can even sense humidity and infrared light, which includes body heat...." https://entomologytoday.org/2018/01/16/up-close-look-tiny-sensory-pits-t...

bonza's picture
bonza's picture
bonza Wednesday, 24 Nov 2021 at 10:13pm
seaslug's picture
seaslug's picture
seaslug Wednesday, 24 Nov 2021 at 10:25pm

I woke up one morning a few years back in Margs, went for a piss, saw something brown/black on the back of my thigh and brushed it off without thinking. It was a fucking tick. Now we supposedly don't have Lyme disease in Aust but I came out with the classic bull's-eye pattern rash that is associated with Lyme's.

MidWestMonger's picture
MidWestMonger's picture
MidWestMonger Thursday, 25 Nov 2021 at 12:07pm

When me and a mate were working in the bush we would come back with kangaroo ticks from time to time.
We would heat the tweezers with a lighter then grab the tick watching their legs go stupid, it seem to work as we pulled them off complete every time.

jedi old mate's picture
jedi old mate's picture
jedi old mate Thursday, 25 Nov 2021 at 3:56pm

Hey guys,
Working as a Bush Regenerator I have probably had hundreds of ticks over the years. Don't make the same mistakes I did. Always freeze them off and never touch them or the surrounding area until you intent to get them out.
Believe it or not I actually have contracted a nasty Mammal Meat Allergy from ticks, no I'm not a lame vegan I am legitimately allergic to all mammal meats and by products which is a colossal inconvenience and now I have to have carry an EPI Pen with me. I can still eat fish and chicken though ;)

Ticks are no jokes guys, get yourself a freeze pen and save yourself a lot of trouble and literal headaches. Squiezing them with tweezers etc just injects the poison.

Cheers

GreenJam's picture
GreenJam's picture
GreenJam Tuesday, 23 Aug 2022 at 2:16pm

thanks udo, that's really interesting and encouraging to see some good research being done on this. I've often wondered how I've dodged this 'mma' bullet, and also if I actually havent, especially now after reading the details of different cases in that article. I've had so many nasty bites over the years, and so many strange ailments, including sudden total body painful hives/rash that have long gone undiagnosed. I'm now going to hassle the doc to test for this.

most recent bite was right on the shoulder/deltoid about 7 weeks ago. I got it with the tick tox, but it had already bitten me and clearly injected some poison. The poison was visibly travelling down the arm heading towards the gland in that armpit, something which I've experienced many times, but it's mostly been into the groin glands. Anyway, but this time it didnt seem to make it to the gland, instead it seemed to just pool below the deltoid and in the top of the bicep muscle. Was red and inflamed there for days and that arm became very weak. And even now it is still painful when using those arm muscles.

anyway, just gotta hope I can avoid them, its always a blow, physically and mentally, each time I get bit

freeride76's picture
freeride76's picture
freeride76 Tuesday, 23 Aug 2022 at 3:06pm

I'm always gobsmacked when I get bit by how powerfully toxic these paralysis ticks are.

When I felt my body go into a burning itch on Sun morning I knew straight away I had a tick somewhere. Unfortunately my reflex action to scratch the back of my head both felt the tick and irritated it.

The response was immediate. Straight away I felt surges of tick toxin going into me, in throbbing waves.

Luckily my wife was there, we had no epipen but were about 15 mins from Ballina Hospital.

By the time I got there I knew I wasn't having an anaphylactic reaction so it was a matter of freezing it off.

By nightfall, I had a lump the size of a cricket ball on the back of my head and the swelling went into my neck.
There was a very uncomfortable pressure on my brain stem for 24hrs and mild lockjaw and weird feelings.

They can definitely knock you around and I have no idea why.
Why would they need such a powerful neurotoxin just to get a blood feed from a mammalian host?

simba's picture
simba's picture
simba Tuesday, 23 Aug 2022 at 5:16pm

I had tick typhus years ago, june long weekend, Drs were not sure if i had meningococcal or Typhus......similar symptoms, red blotches appear and fever and feels like your leg bones are going to snap when you try to walk. Pretty much feel like your dying. Ended up in Grafton emergency and lucky for me a Dr who had seen Queensland Tick Typhus knew what i had and i got the right antibiotics but still in hospital 4 days later having hallucinations and sick as a dog.........funny thing is when i saw my Dr that first day, because i had red marks going into my glands in my groin coming from my belly button.......little cunt was in my belly button.......Dr said to go home you probably are getting the flu and take some panadol.....boy was she wrong.

jedi old mate's picture
jedi old mate's picture
jedi old mate Wednesday, 24 Aug 2022 at 12:50pm

Hi Freeride,

that sounds rough and it's always remarkable how hard they can knock you and manage to ruin a weekend.
As you said the majority of harm comes from irritating the tick which is when they will usually inject you with the saliva that does the damage and can spread through your lymphatic system in a matter of minutes. So never touch the affected area until you can instantly kill it by freezing it with a wart off device you get from the chemist. Anti-histamines work remarkable well to take down the swelling as well.

Those links Udo posted are really interesting on the Mammal Meat Allergy and I think as the anecdotal evidence slowly translates into clinical date we will see in the coming years the North Coast becoming a big hotspot of it as well. I picked up the Mammal Meat Allergy on the North Coast and I know a few others who have picked it up from the ticks up here as well so be wary.

"Why would they need such a powerful neurotoxin just to get a blood feed from a mammalian host?"
My understanding is that rather than each tick having powerful neurotoxins it's a matter of individual ticks accumulating it's own unique blend of harmful bacteria, blood, enzymes and even pathogens from previous hosts that are then introduced into our body by the tick injecting it's saliva into us which triggers adverse immune system response to this foreign material.
This also explains why sometimes ticks don't always cause a reaction and some seem to be worse than others. I'm not sure how true this is but this is based of my experience of having hundreds of ticks over the years and a little bit of reading online.

https://thenativeantigencompany.com/why-are-ticks-such-good-vectors-of-p...

freeride76's picture
freeride76's picture
freeride76 Wednesday, 24 Aug 2022 at 1:10pm

Thats interesting Jedi.

Was under the impression ticks had neurotoxins (as well as the toxic brew you mentioned) and that was the prime cause of tick paralysis in animals and occasionally humans.