Free Speech, comments and the recent High Court decision

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thermalben started the topic in Friday, 10 Sep 2021 at 6:28am

Michael West has produced a great explainer of the recent High Court decision regarding free speech on Social Media platforms. 

Michael and his team have done some incredible investigative journalism over the years, check out his site and please subscribe if you like his work. 

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/

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jwithay Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 10:39am

I struggle to see his claims as anything but PR and the takeover as anything but serving his self interest. He plays the crowd like a fiddle, despite the hypocrisy being plain to see for anyone who looks past the words to the actions. I guess we will see what happens.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/so-much-for-free-speech-flashback...

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yvdreh Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 10:46am

Looking forward to the origin story of how Elon Musk started twitter.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 11:19am
jwithay wrote:

I struggle to see his claims as anything but PR and the takeover as anything but serving his self interest. He plays the crowd like a fiddle, despite the hypocrisy being plain to see for anyone who looks past the words to the actions. I guess we will see what happens.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/so-much-for-free-speech-flashback...

As far as I can see there is zero hypocrisy contained within the tale of Musk not selling a car to someone who’s whinged about the car. What’s that got to do with his alleged rejection of free speech ?

Perhaps Musk will reveal himself to be a hypocrite but there’s no evidence at all in the link provided. If Musk had tried to silence his critic by censorship or deplatforming then I’d agree with you but responding to criticism of his product by withholding said product is not a restriction of free speech.

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thermalben Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 11:34am
jwithay wrote:

I struggle to see his claims as anything but PR and the takeover as anything but serving his self interest. He plays the crowd like a fiddle, despite the hypocrisy being plain to see for anyone who looks past the words to the actions. I guess we will see what happens

You may well be right.

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Roadkill Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 11:41am
jwithay wrote:

I struggle to see his claims as anything but PR and the takeover as anything but serving his self interest. He plays the crowd like a fiddle, despite the hypocrisy being plain to see for anyone who looks past the words to the actions. I guess we will see what happens.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/so-much-for-free-speech-flashback...

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Musk is such a dick...and an exagerator extraodinaire. A self serving ego

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:10pm
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Free speech is essential to civilisation. I think it’s an appropriate and admirable way to spend the money if it truly allows an equal voice to the population as Musk proposes.

The threat to freedom of speech is evidenced by the tech monopolies circling the wagons and claiming they’ll censor Twitter. Disgraceful state of affairs.

100%

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AndyM Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:21pm
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jwithay wrote:

I struggle to see his claims as anything but PR and the takeover as anything but serving his self interest. He plays the crowd like a fiddle, despite the hypocrisy being plain to see for anyone who looks past the words to the actions. I guess we will see what happens.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/so-much-for-free-speech-flashback...

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Musk is such a dick...and an exagerator extraodinaire. A self serving ego

Exactly, he's the first guy to block or cancel when it suits him.
To me he's someone to be very wary of.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:25pm

Ben- The Reuters link you posted does nothing of the sort if you’re claiming it reinforces Musk’s alleged hypocrisy on free speech. All it does is distinctly emphasise that the world currently has a problem with the restriction of free speech. Note how there is no distinction made between the unapologetic totalitarianism of China and the same stance now openly taken by the US and EU .

The article confuses Musk’s alleged hypocrisy with the impediments placed in front of him by authoritarian businesses, institutions and governments.

From the link :

“China is a major sticking point too. Tesla produces half of its vehicles there, as well as a quarter of its revenue. But Twitter is no friend to the People's Republic, most recently for defying Beijing in its handling of content related to Hong Kong protests. China could easily hold Tesla to ransom if a Musk-owned Twitter didn’t play ball. That’s uncomfortable for a self-professed “free speech absolutist.

In reality, Musk’s absolutism probably won't survive a Twitter deal anyway. European Union Commissioner Thierry Breton told the Financial Times this week that the company must police illegal or harmful content or risk being banned. In the United States, where regulators are less aggressive, other technology firms could effectively create the same threat. Apple, for example, gets to decide which apps appear in its influential store“

When the West is now aligned with a dictatorship in the rejection of free speech we officially have a problem on our hands.

I’d have thought this problem was more important and in need of greater attention than the potential character flaws of an individual who is bringing the issue into focus and putting the undemocratic notion of silencing un sanctioned voices under the spotlight.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:29pm

Let me get this straight-

Some on here want Musk’s stated mission, to protect free speech from the open assault it is currently enduring, to fail because they don’t like Musk?

You realise that Musk -according to his claims- is spending his own money to bolster your voice on the internet and to reject the idea that only the powerful are allowed to have an opinion or declare what is allowable information in the public sphere?

Strange.

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jwithay Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:29pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:
jwithay wrote:

I struggle to see his claims as anything but PR and the takeover as anything but serving his self interest. He plays the crowd like a fiddle, despite the hypocrisy being plain to see for anyone who looks past the words to the actions. I guess we will see what happens.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/so-much-for-free-speech-flashback...

As far as I can see there is zero hypocrisy contained within the tale of Musk not selling a car to someone who’s whinged about the car. What’s that got to do with his alleged rejection of free speech ?

Perhaps Musk will reveal himself to be a hypocrite but there’s no evidence at all in the link provided. If Musk had tried to silence his critic by censorship or deplatforming then I’d agree with you but responding to criticism of his product by withholding said product is not a restriction of free speech.

There are many ways to go about censorship. By cancelling the order of a customer critical of the company, what message do you think that sends to other Tesla customers? If I had ordered a Tesla, wasn't happy with the process and felt like expressing that view online, I would be very wary about doing so knowing how their CEO has reacted to criticism. Musk gets to continue parading his 'free speech' credentials, while shutting down future dissent.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:35pm

No mate. It’s not censorship and it’s not restricting free speech if you choose to not sell a car to someone. There’s a million criticisms of Tesla online and Teslas are still being sold to the public.

Censorship is restricting public access to information not denying a customer access to product because they talked smack about the product. The customer is still free to publicly denigrate Tesla.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:36pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Let me get this straight-

Some on here want Musk’s stated mission, to protect free speech from the open assault it is currently enduring, to fail because they don’t like Musk?

You realise that Musk -according to his claims- is spending his own money to bolster your voice on the internet and to reject the idea that only the powerful are allowed to have an opinion or declare what is allowable information in the public sphere?

Strange.

The problem is there is many people including those here, that are extremely intolerant of others views and want views they don't agree with silenced.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:40pm

All I’m hearing is ad hominem attacks on one of the only individuals with the ability to directly circumvent the current tendency towards authoritarianism we are living through.

What is going on here?

Why do you people resent someone standing up for your human rights?

If there is a gulf between Musk’s stated aims and their eventual reality then that’s one thing but to tear down someone on the possibility that they might not follow through on their stated aim of acting in your own best interest is bizarre.

Who else is standing up for your human right to decide for yourself which information you should be allowed to hear and speak?

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:44pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Let me get this straight-

Some on here want Musk’s stated mission, to protect free speech from the open assault it is currently enduring, to fail because they don’t like Musk?

You realise that Musk -according to his claims- is spending his own money to bolster your voice on the internet and to reject the idea that only the powerful are allowed to have an opinion or declare what is allowable information in the public sphere?

Strange.

The problem is there is many people including those here, that are extremely intolerant of others views and want views they don't agree with silenced.

For sure.

The communist party l Anders in the Chinese Great Revolution weren’t out in the streets shaming every individual and burning every disallowed cultural artefact themselves. They convinced the weak minded mob to destroy their own communities for them.

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jwithay Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:52pm
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No mate. It’s not censorship and it’s not restricting free speech if you choose to not sell a car to someone. There’s a million criticisms of Tesla online and Teslas are still being sold to the public.

Censorship is restricting public access to information not denying a customer access to product because they talked smack about the product. The customer is still free to publicly denigrate Tesla.

I see where you're coming from, and our conflicting views (in my mind) start getting at many of the issues with 'free speech' and its power to begin with. I haven't the time to carry on with this today - a long hike beckons - but I've appreciated your perspective.

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Roadkill Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 12:54pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Let me get this straight-

Some on here want Musk’s stated mission, to protect free speech from the open assault it is currently enduring, to fail because they don’t like Musk?

You realise that Musk -according to his claims- is spending his own money to bolster your voice on the internet and to reject the idea that only the powerful are allowed to have an opinion or declare what is allowable information in the public sphere?

Strange.

Musk, doesn't give a fuck about your or my free speech. However, many people see what he wants you to see....you are the perfect suckered in mouth piece.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:01pm
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DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Let me get this straight-

Some on here want Musk’s stated mission, to protect free speech from the open assault it is currently enduring, to fail because they don’t like Musk?

You realise that Musk -according to his claims- is spending his own money to bolster your voice on the internet and to reject the idea that only the powerful are allowed to have an opinion or declare what is allowable information in the public sphere?

Strange.

Musk, doesn't give a fuck about your or my free speech. However, many people see what he wants you to see....you are the perfect suckered in mouth piece.

Then why is he buying twitter?

He can already say anything he wants and it will be reported to the world.

And if he was driven by making more money, he would actually invest in something that will make money.

Ive watched a few interviews with him and he is very pro freedom of speech, he has put his money where his mouth is.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:04pm

I’m a “suckered in mouth piece “ because I fervently hope that a powerful individual acts on his words and defends the human right to access information? A right which is currently being undermined and denied by elected officials and their corporate proxies?

Maybe you are right? Maybe we should burn Musk at the stake because he’s got hair plugs and just walk away from democracy and freedom of speech altogether.

Sorry , mate. I’m not really seeing the sense in your plan. Maybe that’s the suckered in mouth piece coming out in me though? Hard to say.

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adam12 Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:31pm

Dude, I saw he borrowed the $, deal didn't get confirmed until his financing was in place, so technically OPM. Also Reuters today reporting he's likely to withdraw the offer.

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Roadkill Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:38pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

I’m a “suckered in mouth piece “ because I fervently hope that a powerful individual acts on his words and defends the human right to access information? A right which is currently being undermined and denied by elected officials and their corporate proxies?

Maybe you are right? Maybe we should burn Musk at the stake because he’s got hair plugs and just walk away from democracy and freedom of speech altogether.

Sorry , mate. I’m not really seeing the sense in your plan. Maybe that’s the suckered in mouth piece coming out in me though? Hard to say.

"I’m a “suckered in mouth piece “ because I fervently hope that a powerful individual acts on his words and defends the human right to access information?"
NO, that is not what I said. As usual you read and interpret how you want something to be.

You are a mouthpiece..because you are falling for the Musk PR bs..

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Roadkill Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:39pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

I’m a “suckered in mouth piece “ because I fervently hope that a powerful individual acts on his words and defends the human right to access information? A right which is currently being undermined and denied by elected officials and their corporate proxies?

Maybe you are right? Maybe we should burn Musk at the stake because he’s got hair plugs and just walk away from democracy and freedom of speech altogether.

Sorry , mate. I’m not really seeing the sense in your plan. Maybe that’s the suckered in mouth piece coming out in me though? Hard to say.

"Maybe you are right? Maybe we should burn Musk at the stake because he’s got hair plugs and just walk away from democracy and freedom of speech altogether."

such a fucking drama queen, as usual.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:55pm

So you think addressing the erosion of free speech and the concurrent diminishing of democracy is being overly dramatic?

I take it you are not aware of Twitter and other social media monopolies censoring factual information in order to affect the outcome of democracy? The US President race, perhaps the most important democratic institution on the planet, suffered from exactly this type of perversion of discourse and the malevolent mislabeling of factual information as being false. These acts by Twitter et al handicapped democracy. Twitter denied and hobbled free speech to affect the outcome of a presidential election.

It’s not hyperbolic to use this as context in the discussion about Elon Musk buying Twitter in order to bolster human rights of access to information and ability to share information without it being filtered through a partisan political lens.

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Roadkill Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 2:02pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

So you think addressing the erosion of free speech and the concurrent diminishing of democracy is being overly dramatic?

I take it you are not aware of Twitter and other social media monopolies censoring factual information in order to affect the outcome of democracy? The US President race, perhaps the most important democratic institution on the planet, suffered from exactly this type of perversion of discourse and the malevolent mislabeling of factual information as being false. These acts by Twitter et al handicapped democracy. Twitter denied and hobbled free speech to affect the outcome of a presidential election.

It’s not hyperbolic to use this as context in the discussion about Elon Musk buying Twitter in order to bolster human rights of access to information and ability to share information without it being filtered through a partisan political lens.

yada yada yada

Musk is not the future for free speech...that is all I am saying, and you dramatise it and add your bias and bs. Musk is an ego driven individual. He does a lot of good..but don't rely on him to do all he says

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thermalben Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 2:13pm

As someone smarter than me said, "Elon Musk is a bullshitter who delivers".

I think he's also very fond of the attention he gets.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 2:35pm

Whatever else Musk does, it’s undeniable that he’s shifted the discussion beyond the denial of social media’s proclivity towards stifling the flow of information due to political imperative.

Whether he is the person who now takes it further or not cannot alter the fact that he has already performed a great service to democracy. The world cannot now return to the state of denial regarding the slow death of free speech and the return of censorship as a political weapon.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 3:05pm

A revenge of the nerds, 21st century Tech Barnum*.

A bullshitter who delivers...sometimes...whenever...whatever.

His word as believable as Trumpzi's, or ahem, others a lot closer to home

*google 'Barnum'.and 'quote'. See what you get.

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blackers Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 6:53pm

Musk has an Interesting take on free speech. Talks one way, walks the other. It’s all about the money.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/25/elon-musk-and-free-speech-track-record-n...

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thermalben Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 7:20pm

So, what is 'free speech'? Is it simply a free-for-all, where anyone can say anything, and there are no consequences?

In Elon's own words:

But.. each country has different laws.

So, what if someone living in Australia posts something that breaks the law in the USA. Is that comment deleted? Or is the comment redacted (i.e. not displayed) in those countries where the law is broken, but still shown elsewhere?

Who builds the content moderation system to work this, and how is it done? How many moderators need to be employed?

Etc etc.

All supposedly from a company that lost US$220 million last year, and $1.4 billion the year before.

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flollo Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 7:27pm
thermalben wrote:

So, what is 'free speech'? Is it simply a free-for-all, where anyone can say anything, and there are no consequences?

In Elon's own words:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

But.. each country has different laws.

So, what if someone living in Australia posts something that breaks the law in the USA. Is that comment deleted? Or is the comment redacted (i.e. not displayed) in those countries where the law is broken, but still shown elsewhere?

Who builds the content moderation system to work this, and how is it done? How many moderators need to be employed?

Etc etc.

All supposedly from a company that lost US$220 million last year, and $1.4 billion the year before.

Never made money mate, Dorsey was a terrible CEO with a share price not really doing anything since IPO while the rest of tech went through the exponential growth. They reckon he hardly spent any time at work due to his commitment as the CEO of Square. Before he finally left last year it was 10% of his time on Twitter and 90% on Square according to some sources. If anyone wonders who Square is it is the company that bought Australian darling and golden goose Afterpay.

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thermalben Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 7:39pm

Twitter's loss-making has been discussed ad nauseum across the web over the years, but the relevance here is: Elon's desire to allow 'free speech' (in whatever guise he wants) will probably end up being another massive cost to a company that's already losing eye-watering sums of money. Can't see how it'd drive new revenue either.

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batfink Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 8:33pm
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So you think addressing the erosion of free speech and the concurrent diminishing of democracy is being overly dramatic?

I take it you are not aware of Twitter and other social media monopolies censoring factual information in order to affect the outcome of democracy? The US President race, perhaps the most important democratic institution on the planet, suffered from exactly this type of perversion of discourse and the malevolent mislabeling of factual information as being false. These acts by Twitter et al handicapped democracy. Twitter denied and hobbled free speech to affect the outcome of a presidential election.

It’s not hyperbolic to use this as context in the discussion about Elon Musk buying Twitter in order to bolster human rights of access to information and ability to share information without it being filtered through a partisan political lens.

Hyperbolic. Think that describes this post.

All your fury about ‘woke’ dramas and pretending that the aim of the left is to get everyone to ‘admit to the possibility that Loretta could have a baby’. ‘Where’s it gonna gestate? In a box!”

99% of the population intersect not at all with ‘those who are infuriated by woke culture’. It’s a tiny group of maladroits, imagining that they are being stifled in debate by ‘political correctness’.

Outrage-a-thons are just a little overwrought. A little god-like, perhaps.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 8:57pm

Hysterical - both kinds - Batfink.

That god seems dead...or is it really just a severe case of bad digestion and subsequent ill wind?

Hyperbolic hypochondria writ large.

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JQ Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 8:57pm

So was this Tesla suppressing peoples freedom of speech?

https://www.inverse.com/article/16830-tesla-s-non-disclosure-agreements-...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-revises-customer-nondisclosure-agreem...

https://fortune.com/2016/06/10/tesla-clarify-customer-disclose-problems/

It certainly seems like it to me and some real corporate bastardry at that.

I think a lot of these breathless, red faced arguments about social media suppressing information are largely over-simplified and ignore huge swathes of information and nuance. For instance, it should be undeniable (for anyone capable of rational thinking) that lots of genuinely false, dangerous and violence inciting content was removed from social media. Sure they are going to make mistakes doing this, think about the data stream they are trying to curate in real time, it cannot be perfect.

Talk of this being a danger to democracy in the context of the US election is just laughable, especially when ignoring the insurrection incited by the incumbent president and the various pseudo legal schemes cooked up to alter the results of said election. Not to mention the real and present threats that the spread of dis/mis information poses to democracy.

No doubt censorship poses a threat to democracy, but in comparison to the other things afoot at the time it is microscopic. Also, worth noting is that the social media giants are private companies, they are not the government, they can only control what happens on their platforms. Being banned or removed or censored from a social media platform does not crush your 'freedom of speech' you're still free to say what ever you like, they're not kicking you off the internet.

If Elon does indeed buy twitter, I think it will largely take a circular path, if Elon removes all the filters and what not and allows open slather, it will turn into an even filthier cess pit than it already is and unless he wants to fund it out of his pocket, the restrictions will need to be reintroduced.

The best thing he could do, in my opinion, would be to fix the algorithms so that they are not so focused on engagement, as this focus has just driven the spread of hatred and anger and subsequently drastically increased social division, which is also a genuine threat to democracy.

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JQ Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 8:59pm
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DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

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Hyperbolic. Think that describes this post.

All your fury about ‘woke’ dramas and pretending that the aim of the left is to get everyone to ‘admit to the possibility that Loretta could have a baby’. ‘Where’s it gonna gestate? In a box!”

99% of the population intersect not at all with ‘those who are infuriated by woke culture’. It’s a tiny group of maladroits, imagining that they are being stifled in debate by ‘political correctness’.

Outrage-a-thons are just a little overwrought. A little god-like, perhaps.

It's a bit like Andrew Bolt raging about being censored in his nationally syndicated newspaper columns or on his TV show.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 9:24pm
thermalben wrote:

So, what is 'free speech'? Is it simply a free-for-all, where anyone can say anything, and there are no consequences?

In Elon's own words:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

But.. each country has different laws.

So, what if someone living in Australia posts something that breaks the law in the USA. Is that comment deleted? Or is the comment redacted (i.e. not displayed) in those countries where the law is broken, but still shown elsewhere?

Who builds the content moderation system to work this, and how is it done? How many moderators need to be employed?

Etc etc.

All supposedly from a company that lost US$220 million last year, and $1.4 billion the year before.

Twitter has a huge problem with cancelling people for very trivial and ridiculous reasons especially conservatives.

While Elon isn't a conservative he is pro free speech and anti wokeness. (he has made it clear in interviews)

A simple example:

Currently you could be banned on twitter for saying only biological Women can have babies, because it would be seen as some type of phobic and hate speech even if technically correct

While it's safe to assume under Musk you would be free to say.

1. Only biological Women can have babies

2. Only women can have babies

3. Men and women can have babies.

4. Birthing people can have babies

Personally i only believe biological Women can have babies, but i still believe anyone should be able to say 2, 3 & 4, thats free speech and expect how Elon would see it.

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GuySmiley Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 10:16pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Free speech is essential to civilisation. I think it’s an appropriate and admirable way to spend the money if it truly allows an equal voice to the population as Musk proposes.

The threat to freedom of speech is evidenced by the tech monopolies circling the wagons and claiming they’ll censor Twitter. Disgraceful state of affairs.

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100% fucking bullshit.

Free speech being eroded especially for “conservatives” FFS what planet do you live on precisely?

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 28 Apr 2022 at 11:52pm

The world according to Blowindo. The angry red(neck) planet.

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blackers Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 9:42am

It is truly interesting what bothers some people. Clearly the right to make asinine comments is fundamental, while it is fine that people have to live in tents here because they cant afford to pay rent. Meanwhiles, another "free speech" warrior is in trouble, and trying to milk the system he so despises.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/facing-judgment-alex-jones...

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 10:25am

It is truly interesting what eludes some people.

The US social media tech monopolies deliberately affected the outcome of the US Presidential election between Trump and Biden. The tech companies censored and suppressed information which would probably have altered the outcome of the election if the information had been available and not fraudulently labelled as false. The Hunter Biden laptop scandal has been revealed as a pivotal moment in the election with repeated polling showing that Biden would not have won the election had Twitter et al not denied freedom of speech.

If Biden had not won the election the Russians would not have been relentlessly goaded into invading Ukraine. Many people would still be alive if not for Twitter / Facebook/ Google not employing partisan censorship to affect democracy.

You are literally paying more for fuel for your car because Twitter suppressed free speech.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 10:32am
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indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Free speech is essential to civilisation. I think it’s an appropriate and admirable way to spend the money if it truly allows an equal voice to the population as Musk proposes.

The threat to freedom of speech is evidenced by the tech monopolies circling the wagons and claiming they’ll censor Twitter. Disgraceful state of affairs.

100%

100% fucking bullshit.

Free speech being eroded especially for “conservatives” FFS what planet do you live on precisely?

Whilst I appreciate the vehemence of your incorrect assertions, it’s impossible to ignore that they remain incorrect. It’s undeniable truth that the factual matter of the US Democratic President having his integrity being utterly compromised by information contained on his wayward son’s laptop was censored and suppressed.

This is not conjecture. It is established fact. No amount of emotion in your words will refute this truth.

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 10:53am

Hahahahaha. Sweet baby Yasis! Fonz calling Mork, come in Orson! And where's the sharks at?

Forget Alan Jones, Alex Jones is in da SN house!

Faaaaaark!

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 11:38am

Was the Hunter Biden laptop scandal factual?
Yes

Was it reported by the New York Post whereby all claims were proofread and factual evidence provided?
Yes

Was the New York Post article banned from Twitter and all trace of its content removed?
Yes

Is there any doubt that the censorship of the Hunter Biden Laptop story by Twitter was politically motivated so as to protect the Biden bid for the Presidency?
No

Does repeated polling since the truth of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal being revealed show a >15% swing amongst those who voted for Biden now confirming that the information would have affected their voting decision?
Yes

Would the win by Biden in the Presidential election have resulted in a different outcome, ie a loss, had the information censored and suppressed by Twitter etc been publicly available as should be the standard in a free and open democracy?
Yes

Would Twitter have censored and suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story if they did not believe it would effect Biden’s chances of election?
No

Was Trump an impediment in the US neoconservative desire to promote a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine?
Yes

Did the Twitter censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story directly contribute to the threat of war and the resultant deaths of many Ukrainian citizens?
Yes

Has the US promotion of an indentured proxy war with Russia created global instability which threatens lives and economies around the entire planet including Australia?
Yes

None of the above is contentious.

Trump threatened the warmongering. The US under Hillary Clinton would have provoked Russia into proxy conflict years ago .Relevant part starts at 1:15.

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freeride76 Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 12:10pm

"None of the above is contentious."

?

Lots of those points seem highly contentious.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 12:13pm
freeride76 wrote:

"None of the above is contentious."

?

Lots of those points seem highly contentious.

Break it down, James Brown.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 12:30pm
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indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Free speech is essential to civilisation. I think it’s an appropriate and admirable way to spend the money if it truly allows an equal voice to the population as Musk proposes.

The threat to freedom of speech is evidenced by the tech monopolies circling the wagons and claiming they’ll censor Twitter. Disgraceful state of affairs.

100%

100% fucking bullshit.

Free speech being eroded especially for “conservatives” FFS what planet do you live on precisely?

While conservatives often have become victims of twitters inconsistent unclear and at times clearly political bias rulings.

It's not really about conservatives Elon Musk is not a conservative and it's an important issue to him, it's not about protecting free speech for any one group but about protecting free speech for all no matter political leanings.

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saltyone Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 2:06pm

Marketing ploy.
Don’t trust any of those technocrats. Bunch of very greedy people in my opinion with sense of entitlement and severely distorted worldviews.
They have so much money that it’s fried their brains . Money control and power.
Space x//robots// virtual reality everything// gmo // tech everything .
Artificial world selling “improvement” . Ha

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groundswell Friday, 29 Apr 2022 at 7:08pm

I can just see this free speach thing Elon has done with Muslim fundamentalists not taking humor to anti Islamic posts blowing up.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 8:44am

"Twitter’s ‘chief censor’ making $17M per year could be fired by Elon Musk"https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/twitters-chief-censor-making-17m-per-year-...

Needs to be he first to go.

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AndyM Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 9:35am

You’re going to the New York Post for your news Indo??
You could do better, they’re kinda, you know, low-brow.