Submitted by Blowin on Fri, 06/21/2019 - 08:01
Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.
ID, the rate is pretty constant at 25% increase day on day. A little lower here, a little higher there. That’s where Craig and Sara’s work is important, tracking the data so we can draw some conclusions.
2-4 week shock is not possible now. We had the benefit of seeing impact on China, Italy etc, as well as the positive examples. I’m with you on public transport. It’s borderline negligent the way that entry into the country (via air or sea) was allowed to occur with almost no screening, except an ‘honesty’ system.
What 2-4 weeks COULD have done was allowed for better contact tracing, implement a range of containment measures, identify streamlining of curriculum content, coordinate work-share arrangements, start to establish screening, isolation and treatment centres.
Instead we opted for the half-arsed option. Never went full BoJo ‘herd immunity’ retard (where did that go?) but not far off. And we’re going to pay, and pay, and pay.
FR the link you posted above has been updated:
"Update (3/22/2020): After falling under much scrutiny, Medium has deleted Ginn's post. Of note, Ginn is a former 2012 Romney digital campaign staffer with no background in medicine or infectious disease.
We are leaving it up for anyone who wants to read, while also including a thread from a biologist who has refuted it. Click on the tweet below to read."
seemed a good article with many data points, perhaps these were challenged?
Just something to lighten the mood ,, a bit of the late great George Carlin on germs and the immune system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
Here is the WHO-China joint mission on COVID19 final report -
Lessons learned... page 21
"For countries with imported cases and/or outbreaks of COVID-19
1. Immediately activate the highest level of national Response Management
protocols to ensure the all-of-government and all-of-society approach needed to
contain COVID-19 with non-pharmaceutical public health measures;
2. Prioritize active, exhaustive case finding and immediate testing and isolation,
painstaking contact tracing and rigorous quarantine of close contacts;
3. Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in
preventing its spread;
4. Immediately expand surveillance to detect COVID-19 transmission chains, by
testing all patients with atypical pneumonias, conducting screening in some
patients with upper respiratory illnesses and/or recent COVID-19 exposure, and
adding testing for the COVID-19 virus to existing surveillance systems (e.g.
systems for influenza-like-illness and SARI); and
5. Conduct multi-sector scenario planning and simulations for the deployment of
even more stringent measures to interrupt transmission chains as needed (e.g.
the suspension of large-scale gatherings and the closure of schools and
Don't think the gov't has seen this, you might want to forward it thru.
Awesome stuff .....
( When questioned why the $550/ fortnight dole supplement wasn’t available till 27 April )
“ Minister for Government Services Stuart Robert said the timing was a matter for policy ministers, including Mr Frydenberg and Social Services Minister Anne Ruston. Mr Frydenberg's office said it was a matter for Senator Ruston. Senator Ruston's office said it was a matter for Mr Robert.“
Italy has already peaked....
A bit of confidence to be taken from the drastic measures employed to stem the spread of the virus.
Life goes on !
How long before the government starts handing out money to support the foreign university students it busted its arse to get here , despite every bit of common sense saying it was the wrong thing to do ?
Get this message sent so deep that it’s impossible to ignore. The tertiary education sector “ export “ industry has been a piss-take for a decade at least.
End that shit .....now !
Love him or hate him-
THE SHOW MUST GO ON
President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar with his thinking.
The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, want to ensure that the economic damage from a nationwide “social distancing” campaign doesn’t outweigh the potential toll from the virus itself, the people said.
“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” Trump tweeted late Sunday.
My mobile phone won’t send or receive calls.
I went on the Telstra App , jumpedthrough the hoops to finally get told on live chat that they are unavailable due to the call centre in Phillipines being closed.
Australia is so fucked. That’s an essential service.
Morning, Dow only down 700ish overnight... here's an intelligent article on Wolf Street (fast becoming the best US finance site with some Aus focus) concerning the Aussie construction industry:
-construction was already slowing
-one of the biggest firms is completely owned by a Chinese interest, maybe a SOE?
-they did perhaps top-of-boom contracts in places like Dubai, got defaulted on: it has smackings of Rio/Alcan or Gunns/Auspine 2007 about it
-will a bailout occur for this sector? Do we bailout a sector that runs overbudget repeatedly? One commenter suggested this is the same sector famous for the 125K pa lollipop positions... Maybe if everyone else is getting bailed out, I should ask for moar bailout too?
-nobody truly knows if residential RE will fall, hence the importance of the Swellnet RE price futures market, settlement being in cartons
Views from the cockpit ....Do you work out of Hong Kong ?
Fly Cathay Pacific ?
Negative on both :-)
And what of the 2.5 million temporary visa holders who are now unemployed and not eligible for welfare ?
I was thinking that yesterday - there were a couple behind me in Centrelink speaking only Portuguese and I thought, maybe it's time for some people to go home.
Australia's systems have got enough going on.
It would keep Qantas busy.
Also, I wondered about the WA cruise ship (Magnifica). If there really are 256 people with respiratory illness and it's coronavirus, do these people disembark and then take places the WA public will need in the hospital system? That's a tough one.
Moral and ethical dilemmas.
Is Christmas island now empty?
VJ re cruise ship I think they are setting up Fiona Stanley for those people.
Info turned out to be incorrect apparently, ship being refuelled and headed to Dubai now . They are claiming it was a miscommunication - no Australians on board . Also Rottnest Island is being cleared of all tourists as of today , seems like it may be going back to its original use as a lockdown facility, for the sick this time instead of poor aboriginal prisoners. Actually seems like a practical idea from the state gov, easier to contain a virus on an island - although quokka selfies may be kept to a minimum .
I heard rotto was getting prepped as a spot to put those that don't follow quarrentine rules...
if you still need some motivation to battle your stubborness to do the right thing re. the new rules, then there it is right there!!
hmmmmm . ...don't follow quarrentine rules...
...a heap of uni vice chancillors, chancillors, and their useful idiot entourages?
This is literally the bottom of the barrel for Australia. It’s done. We’ve been raped in every orifice by the scum of the Earth. Is this as bad as it gets ?
Comments are worth a read.
Companion piece : https://flightaware.com/live/airport/YSSY
In summation....we’ve just had our entire airline industry mothballed, workers laid off even though international flights are still continuing unabated. Please tell me again why we aren’t sending these cunts straight home ?
Peak neoliberalism right here . Taxpayers giving cash handouts to the fuckers who were here to push down their living standards.
Scummo needs to be fed to the pigs for a start. We can take it from there.
Remember this when your relatives are dying at home cause they can’t get a hospital bed because some vibrant’s unemployed, unproductive and uninvited spouse is lying in it instead.
Remember when I said Scummo would do absolutely anything to prop up real estate ?
That’s what the above is all about.
2.4 million renters paying the mortgages on speculative investment properties. Can’t let an investor take a hit !
The first rat to bail the sinking ship
This is what revolution sounds like ( From Crikey ) :
“The Centrelink lines are going round the block, the government has made vague announcements of rent assistance, twitter buzzes with notes from the newly laid-off wondering how they’ll put food on the table and pay the rent and the mortgage.
Here’s a suggestion. Do the former by omitting the latter.
If you have lost most or all of your income, or are about to, don’t pay your rent, don’t pay your mortgage. Write to your landlord or bank and tell them you won’t be paying for the next X months, and that you don’t regard this as a deferral, but as non-rent/non-mortgage months.
There’s a silver lining to every turd dropping from heaven, and the shining fringe around COVID-19 is that it will make it clear just how much of our economy is composed of dead value, non-productive ownership and the payment going to it: the rent.
The rent and the mortgage swallow up 30%, 40%, 50% of our incomes. They go into the maw of a property system whose prices have been ludicrously inflated by the privatisation of urban land development, land banking and the hidden inflation of a decade of quantitative easing; pumping trillions into a global economy in which neither production nor full-time jobs rose to anything like the levels intended.
So don’t pay it. Or negotiate a sharp reduction. Or negotiate a figure which covers part of the rates and part of maintenance and repair. If the landlord says they have a mortgage to pay, tell them to go on mortgage strike.“
Coalition are twitching seeing the lines outside centrelink offices urging people to use the non functioning web site, very aware it will be associated with the Coalition for a long time regardless of the circumstances.
that myGov website is a wrist slitter at the best of times.
Libs have made an art form of torturing poor people or anyone who needs to use those services.
Kafka couldn't have dreamed up a bigger bureaucratic nightmare.
Now they reap what they sow.
Agree Blowin, debt holidays MUST be on the agenda.
Serious question: Would you sign a petition to get the Australian army to takeover from the government with the handling of the virus ?
I just saw one. Only a single signature , by the fella who created it I’m assuming . It’s basically a democratic coup.
I haven’t had time to think about it but I know this ...
1/ ..Scott Morrison refused to shut the international borders until the Ferrari F1 team had landed from the European centre of the virus.
2/ Scott Morrison is refusing to close schools until the University census date ( 29 March ) when the school can officially close and students are not eligible for a refund on their fees. He pulled his own kids out last week.
3/ The NSW Health minister released 2500 voyagers on a contagion death ship into the Australian community weeks after cruise ships had been banned from docking .
4/ The WA premier is still spruiking that WA is “ Open for business “ with a once in a century plague ready to swarm the land.
5/ Dan Andrews ( Victorian premiere ) Declares that a 300,000 strong race crowd must be allowed to watch cars go vroom vroom a few days ago. Commonsense overwhelmed his economic short- termism with literal minutes to spare.
6/ Schools , public transport and block- long Centrelink queues are going ahead right this second. Perfect transmission vectors all signed off by our current breed of wankers.
Would the Armed forced crew trained in emergency response and critical thinking under extreme pressure be any worse just cause they’ve got a few tanks and rifles ?
I agree, blow in...with Guy Rundle the author of that Crikey piece.
Your military coup stuff above though??
It's kinda funny, but also kinda tragic. But then comedy is tragedy plus time. Apparently.
Does this self-isolation shtuff mean you're gonna be spraying on here every 5 friggin' minutes, blow in?!
Why not come up with some good practical ideas and relevant local solutions. Panic, chaos and blaming achieve nothing Blowy.
Short piece on Holland's non lockdown, slow the virus, herd immunity strategy.
Surely our health care system and small population size makes this a better alternative than putting millions at the mercy of the welfare system?
Interesting stuff- Australian cash limit plan gets a special mention.
"Short piece on Holland's non lockdown, slow the virus, herd immunity strategy.
Surely our health care system and small population size makes this a better alternative than putting millions at the mercy of the welfare system?"
Im not convinced either way, but i have thought the same thing.
It's going to interesting to watch and see how they go with this approach.
A few things have been puzzling me so I hope there is someone on here that is qualified to accurately provide some clarity.
1. How is the Corona Virus test actually conducted to determine a definitive positive result while ruling out other viruses?- What test result clearly isolates CV from other viruses?
2. How long does it take to confirm positive test results?
3. Is a positive result immediate or are laboratory or clinical test procedures required?
Interesting stuff- Australian cash limit plan gets a special mention."
Hmmm seems like something Jim Banks would post on FB, so yeah nah.
But the virus and money thing, im glad i generally use PayWave no dirty money or pressing dirty buttons.
Good watch Megzee, very close to the mark I believe....as Ive always said, don't be an idiot and destroy our world...Pay cash. Draw out your money on pay day and pay cash for everything otherwise you are part/cause of the future human slave trade. Our wisdom and resistance to the cashless society will keep us free.
Interesting fact #1: I don't call toilet paper, 'TP'.
Interesting fact #2: Our house hasn't bought any TP since this whole Covid-19 thing began.
Blowin; not sure about all of them but census date for Newcastle Uni was 20 March.
Interesting, Stu. I haven’t bought any tomato paste since this thing started too.
I’m not surprised , Stu.
If I’d eaten the hottest chilli in the world I’d be too scared to take a dump too.
Stu pre-virus hoarded!
Once Stu heard Carissa Moore said she was taking year off, he knew some apocalyptic shit was about to go down.
I've got the kids down to four sheets an ablution and when the rolls run out the old Yellow Pages will find a new home next to the throne.
Stu, that's just cruel. Call me i know a guy who knows a guy etc etc. And if you're feeding your kids that chilli blowin is talking about....
Could have posted this on another thread but seems best here
Spoke to one of my family tonight who work at a large regional hospital in management. The directive is that they will deal with spikes of the virus controlled by the health system to manage capacity in hospitals.
COVID19 at this stage is unlike SARS which randomly at some point mutated to stop being transferred via community contact. They have no idea why SARS did that. At this stage COVID19 is showing no signs of mutating. Which is seriously freaking the medical profession out.
The spike theory is that they will cut access to the system and let people die so to relieve the pressure on the hospitals. These timelines and bed flow situations are already being modelled. If any of us need a wake up call that we are on the same track as Europe, know that this is coming as a senior directive to management in hospitals in NSW.
Scomo, it's just the economy bro