Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.

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goofyfoot commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 12:27pm

Hmm I’d caution against it, old man and uncle did semi-serious time for going down that road. Silly enough to get caught

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Blowin commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 12:40pm

Went for a surf in some fun dogshit beach break on a foamie.

14 kms of beach - literally- and I have the entire stretch to myself. Then a bloke and his mate paddled out not too far away. Surfing the same peak but a bit removed. It was a nice morning so I yelled out to them “ At least we’re still allowed to surf .”

The fella yelled back without a smile “ Just keep your distance.”

Reminds me of the old joke :

What do you get when you cross a Mormon proselytiser with a Hell’s Angel bikie ?

Someone who comes round to your house , knocks on your door and tells YOU to fuck off.

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simba commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 1:34pm

Zen i know you will like this.......anyway kids save hard and maybe you can own one of these as a toy...
https://www.carshowroom.com.au/news/aston-martin-v12-speedster-is-a-figh...

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I focus commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 2:04pm

Blowin for a few years I used to wait for the first winter 5 m swell and head down and get barreled at the same wave, never was smart enough to buy a block.

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 2:37pm

I know wealthy graziers, landed gentry, in the dope growing game.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 2:55pm

Repost :

“I hope when this is all said and done, Australians take stock of how and why we were exposed to this crisis.

It’s not the Chinese or the Italians or the Iranians we should be looking at. But in our own back yard. Decades of weak and corrupt political leaders have put us at risk.

We are a continent of almost unlimited resources. Until recently we were the most affluent (on paper at least). We are a net exporter of food. We are one of the most technically advanced countries in the world. We have the intelligence, resources and ability to control the spread of this virus, care for our sick, and wait out all the supply issues while the rest of the world implodes.

And yet, here we are. We can’t protect our first responders because we can’t manufacture masks. Our hospitals will buckle under the weight of our sick because we’ve spent decades trying to force people into an American style private health system while neglecting the staff and resourcing of our public system.

We can’t even be adults and warn the public without freaking everyone out. We spent the months since the start of the crisis in China telling everyone not to worry – it’s just the flu bro. This was so pervasive that even some of our healthcare professionals are paying off the threat. And now we shame the people who, perhaps misguided, rushed out to protect their families when the collective realisation set in. That we don’t make anything in this country. Our medications, our antibiotics, anything not grown in the ground (except TP) is shipped in from China.

We all know this. We ship wool to China, they ship cheap T-Shirts to us. We ship coal and iron ore to China, they ship cheap steal to us. We import most of our oil. We can barely keep electricity affordable despite having some of the largest gas and coal reserves in the world. Our political leaders, from Keating, to Howard, to Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Abbot/Turnbull/Scotty from marketing. All they have achieved is the dismantling of Australian sovereignty. They have exported our security and turned us into a tributary state. People will die, not just from the virus, but from all the secondary complications caused by supply issues and overloaded hospitals. It is these people, their corporate overlords, and their media mates, who have traded the wealth of this country for beans.

They will not be affected by this. Their families are protected. Yours are not.”

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Blowin commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 3:01pm

NSW shutting down.

Scummo not involved in the conversation.

Progress.

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megzee commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 3:31pm

For the repost Blowin…….I stood up at my desk and gave you a standing ovation
Very nicely written.....
sad damning reality of a once great country...

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megzee commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 3:51pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISyddnnBdrw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa121BuRLgY

Please take 20 minutes to watch and absorb...….This is factual research and explanation

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 4:20pm

Vicco schools shut from Tuesday onwards.

It's no government's fault we don't manufacture stuff here, it's basic economics we priced ourselves out of it and people complain about the lack of wage growth, you want wage growth great but all it will do is make any manufacturing left in Australia go OS.

But that said with all this printing of money our dollar soon might be so devalued that manufacturing here might be viable again.

BTW. this is a time when we should be actually giving credit to Howard, Abbott and Scomo for fighting to control our borders, it does seem crazy now with all this, but the far left generally believe we shouldn't have borders.

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lostdoggy commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 4:27pm

Praise to Scomo who left it open to the US as long as he did?

They’re our white buddies so they’re fine I guess.

“The far left generally believe we shouldn’t have borders”.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone argue for that so I don’t see how it could be a ‘general’ belief.
The amount of people in oz that want that would be minuscule.

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megzee commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 5:09pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owBNMGj0MJg

the most refreshing 7 minutes and 40 seconds you will get today....

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Balance commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 5:13pm

ID I would like to know the stats on how many people came here by boat, over a ten year period...compared to how many people walk through customs into Australia every day...to try to use this situation to make a point about asylum seekers and policies by Howard and co...it's a bit of a stretch

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 5:57pm

Well Balance when Rudd trialed an open border type policy we had about 18,000 people arrive in a year or less, before he did a 360 degree flip on policy.

How many people would that have snowballed to now if policy had not been changed?

Nobody knows but its fair to say it would be a lot more than 18,000 could be in hundreds to thousands, and if it was still allowed it would be IMPOSSIBLE to close borders like we have.

It's taken us years to get the situation truely under control, but yeah if you think it wouldn't be an issue in this kind of circumstance and a stretch well, i really dont know what to say, its pretty obvious how problematic it would now be.

But thats the problem with western mentality, its like a bubble, people think shit cant happen in Australia, or that governments over react, and like we saw with Bondi people just dont think things will happen here or to them.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 6:13pm

SA / NT / Tas / WA Borders Closed /Closing...
AFL is dead...
Vic / NSW schools gone!

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Statler commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 6:41pm

So when is the bullet being pulled from the carry on as usual Easter Holidays camping in caravan parks/camping grounds, 2000 people from around the country in a Holiday park in areas with no infections. Solid gold

Nothing everyone has gone full head in the sand. It will be alright we go here every year for our family reunion.

Local Councils want the money with disregard for their workers, Deluded people from infected areas want their holiday even though little Jimmy and Betty have a cough. They dance together trying to work out who gets the money if you cancel they cancel.

People still do not get it. I doubt they ever will until the bodies hit the floor

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synchrodogcal commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 6:44pm

What a great time to have an empty vessel as our esteemed leader

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synchrodogcal commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 7:00pm

Kind of interesting, especially when we need humour more than ever

https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/pornhub-offers-free-premium-service-in-ita...

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Westofthelake commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 8:16pm

nrl to kick on, at least until a player becomes infected...

I am both gob smacked and impressed that the government is going to double the fortnightly income for welfare recipients by $550 for 6 months. Obviously they are listening to the experts who recognise that those people will spend the money they get in the real economy, and this will greatly help the economy to keep functioning on life support.

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Terminal commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 8:58pm

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Terminal commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 8:56pm

Until it's in their bank accounts it's just empty pollie promises. I suspect they'll make it difficult for eligibles to claim too, in the hope that many will simply put it in the too hard basket. Forgive my cynicism, but this government seems to demonstrate time and time again that all that matters is a budget surplus and protecting big business, hope I'm wrong.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:16pm

Here it is....the fix is in.

This thing is a set up. One world government. They could see the wheels wobbling on globalisation with a hint of democracy getting in the way. They were going to go for it with Climate Change but lucky , lucky , lucky....along comes the virus.

Global currency by 2022 .

“At a global level, the OECD said it now appeared the coronavirus outbreak was likely to plunge the economy into a recession for the first six months of the year if not longer.

Secretary-General Angel Gurría said governments not only had to take their own efforts to protect their economies but work with each other.

“This is the third and greatest economic, financial and social shock of the 21st century, and it demands a modern, global effort akin to the last century’s Marshall Plan and New Deal – combined,” he said.

Under the Marshall Plan, the United States funded billions of reconstruction work across western Europe following World War Two. The New Deal was the spending initiative of US President Franklin Roosevelt in response to the Great Depression of the 1930s.“

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Terminal commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:22pm

Who do you think will they put as the leader?

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:26pm
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Blowin commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:28pm

Darth Vader ?

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Blowin commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:29pm

Rrrrrrrrrrat fucked !

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:33pm

Very interesting listening to the PM's address which came on during the 60 minutes program, concerning what has now been banned and how Australians didn't really take heed of the prior week's warning. It had a tone I hadn't heard since high school, the exasperated housemaster style of approach. Similar to:

"Well, we let you have access to the canteen after hours for hot chocolates, but someone has gone and put the school chooks into the kitchen and they've shat everywhere, sprayed tomato sauce all through the ladies toilet, and then taken the cutlery and stuck it in the pitch of the cricket oval. Since you can't be trusted with this privilege, we are closing the canteen at 5."

(Bondi beach and Manly beach look at each other and quietly snigger)

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:46pm

Sadly thats basically true velocityjohnno, pretty clear from yesterdays Bondi scene and just what I've seen around where i live that a lot of people aren't really taking things seriously.

Ive also seen on my facebook feed at least two stories of people pissed off at others friends that have returned from OS and are not doing the self quarantine thing, even one story about some guy who has returned from OS has some flue and not self quarantining and going about as all is fine and wont get tested either.

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Terminal commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 9:48pm

POL101, first lecture "how to shift blame on to someone else"

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mikehunt207 commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 11:33pm

Plenty of info on virus being spread by coughing , sneezing , liquid stuff, anything about jizz? Just asking for a friend

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views from the ... commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:29am

Some perspective here:

A) 150,000 people
Of the roughly 150,000 people who die each day across the globe, about two thirds—100,000 per day—die of age-related causes.

So how many of the CV deaths were imminent anyway?

B) Coronavirus Cases:
318,329
Deaths:
13,671
Recovered:
96,010
Check the worldometer on the CV stats-
Of interest is the Country breakdowns and figures.
Note the number of critical cases, number per million of population and number of recovered (especially China).

Looks like most will recover with natural immunity for the future.

Greatest concern is that the majority are being dragged into financial pandemonium for no genuine reason.
Thats when we ALL will suffer. Except the very rich and corrupt!

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philosurphizing... commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 8:01am

Looks like most will recover with natural immunity for the future.

Virologists are saying they are unsure how long natural immunity will last.

Therefore because this is a new strain they cannot KNOW until it is proven or disproven over time.

Two years ago I had Ross River virus which you get from a mossie bite and get confirmed by a blood test.
Antibiotics are ineffective, your immune system fights it off.
I am now immune to Ross River virus.
But not Barmah forest virus.

Can you get Corona virus twice.
Note this guy is sceptical (belief)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/doubt-over-contracting-coronaviru...

Big difference between believing and knowing.

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 8:57am

Agree views from the ...

Im all for a two week lockdown and for people to then restrict other aspects within reason and social distancing, changing habits etc

But if things dragged on longer and people cant work and business go under and kids cant go to school, it's going to fuck everyone over, the effects are going to be irreversible, almost everyone is going to be ficked over.

It's almost better if it cant be controlled in the next few weeks to just say okay lets try to still minimise its impact but we will just have to let it runs it's course, people will die, the health system may become overwhelmed, but end of the day the majority will get through okay.

If it goes the way its going the majority are going to be fucked over financially.

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Westofthelake commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 9:00am

On a lighter note, an alternative to TP ?

https://www.facebook.com/hot.ivan/videos/2927674247288274/

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Blowin commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 9:56am

Let me guess , Indo....you assume that yourself and your family will be some of the survivors ?

Or are you saying that it’d be all cool if your missus and kids ( or yourself) died as long as the economy played on ?

Would you be willing to throw your family into the volcano to ensure next year’s harvest ?

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Blowin commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 10:26am

There’s two conflicting narratives which dictate the reality of this virus :

1/ The China figures are accurate .

80,000 infected for 3000 dead. In a population of 1600,000,000 people this is so insignificant as to not even justify a headline anywhere except China. So why did China shut down and why are we following suit ?

2/ The China figures are pure NumberWang*

Fake Chinese stats are undermining every attempt to lend gravity to the virus. If the disease is truly horrific then the world should be united in our defence. Unfortunately this effort is impossible because many people see the 3000 deaths from China as evidence that the issue is overblown and they act ( or fail to act ) accordingly.

If the virus is truly devastating then governments need to publicly address the figures from China. Otherwise people just see Italy as an unrepresentative outlier. They may not wish to offend China , but if China is so obviously not giving a fuck about the world by continuously lying about a deadly virus then there is nothing to gain by preserving any sentiment towards them. The Chinese statistics are the reason that people don’t take the virus seriously.

* https://youtu.be/0obMRztklqU

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uncle_leroy commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 10:31am

Blowin, maybe it's just that china take it more seriously than other countries? Our care free aussie attitude will be our undoing. Watch this - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=195374658555718

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Blowin commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 10:47am

No chance.

China doesn’t shut its entire population down for 3000 dead people.

Apparently no one was getting tested in Wuhan for weeks. The authorities were persecuting anyone who dared suggest that it was an issue. It was allowed to run rampant unchecked through entire cities. Worse than Italy . Worse than here.

And then 5 million crew from Hubei province bolted throughout China when word got out .

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 11:13am

Fuck ,interesting clip Blowin, and New Zealand are ahead of us, just confirmation how fucked we are and how seriously China is taking it. Self isolation is and has not been taken nearly seriously enough so will result extreme measures for everyone eventually......

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 11:15am

I like the magnetic door strip idea to keep the cunts at home, innovative and cheap too

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views from the ... commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 12:17pm

Just to reiterate, I find the figures reflect the real story. Scroll through the worldometer CV website.
Italy with a population of 60 million and the second oldest age of citizens globally is going to have greater figures naturally. Old people are particularly susceptible to pneumonia and respiratory diseases.
However it is still only 978 people infected per 1 million and only five and half odd thousand dead.
In the scheme of things -thats nothing.

And I'll back an educated wise old Nobel winners expertise and scepticism over anybody else.

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Blowin commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 12:30pm

Cool story , bro.

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Patrick commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:09pm

To add to what Views said, the Italian national health authority's study on persons tested positive for covid19 and died ~
"The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-...

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Patrick commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:20pm

According to the WHO, 800,000 people die by suicide every year, that's approximately 2,247 every day (I presume a mix of ages, health conditions, lifestyles)
Daily global death rate from covid19 so far is 173. (Based on 12,777 confirmed deaths to 22nd March and that being 74 days since first confirmed death on 9th January).

According to the data from Italy, 99% of the covid19 dead had either high blood pressure, diabetes or heart disease or a combination of the above.

How will tanking the global economy affect people's health?

There are 7.8 billion people on the planet, about 150,000 die every day.

WHO suicide stats: https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/

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adam12 commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:19pm

The first wave of Spanish Flu in Jan. 1918 hit mostly the very young and the older generation, by the middle of the year or a bit later it was waning and people thought the worst was over, the second and third more deadly waves hit in October and the months following, and that hit the young adults hard causing the majority of deaths. It lasted until December 1920. Estimates go up to 100 million dead.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:24pm

Can you get Coronavirus Twice ? > (14% in Southern China were Reinfected)
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-02-26/14-of-recovered-covid-19-patient...

Veneto was the first Italian town to record a death, now 100% clean for 10 days?
How are they turning the tide with all falling around them...(Test! Test! Test!)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/one-italian-town-is-bucking-the-c...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/coronavirus-testing-experiment-in-italian-...

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Patrick commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:54pm

Hmmm, apparently during the 'great depression' of the thirties, mortality rates didn't change (causes yes, but total numbers about the same).

"Our study provides evidence that even major depressions do not imply mortality crises," says study lead author David Stuckler, of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. "Whether health improves or worsens during hard times depends mainly on how governments choose to respond." https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/great-depression-had-littl...

Only had a quick squizz on the topic...

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AndyM commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 2:16pm

Wild to see hospitality workers from different businesses across different towns all descend en-mass on Centrelink!
It’s like some kind of special brotherhood :)
Queue starting to extend down the street.

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AndyM commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 2:19pm

Fella next to me has his Gene Simmons boots on!
Classic.


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sypkan commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 2:35pm

"Wild to see hospitality workers from different businesses across different towns all descend en-mass on Centrelink!
It’s like some kind of special brotherhood :)
Queue starting to extend down the street."

... like some special brotherhood of disease distribution...

so dumb, just shows how much they haven't thought this through

who would've though they'd be a rush on centrelink?

all those grumpy people, standing orderly in line whilst guarding one's place, leaning, stroking, breathing, sneezing, coughing, a big ball of humanity sharing...

and barely a face mask is sight I bet... culture... sigh...

all across the country

all across sydney!!

who would've thought?