Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 12:57pm

yep, it's the same as the bushfires...

in god's hands

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lostdoggy commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:00pm
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I focus commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:00pm

"Stu, doubt anyone would begrudge you bending the rules for a funeral.

Hope you're ok."

+1

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 7:28am

"...is that now the entire world well and truely hates Chinas guts"

let's keep the hate focussed on the government, and their way of governance hey...

explicitly not on the chinese people, many chinese people are calling this shit out, and have been calling a lot of this shit out, for a long long time

...but they've been kinda hobbled....

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:07pm

How’s this quote ( referring to hoarding food after telling Australians that the country is headed for indefinite lock down and not providing a single insight into how Australians will be fed or cared for during this time . )......

"Stop doing it. It's ridiculous! It's un-Australian, and it must stop, and I would ask people to do the right thing by each other in getting a handle on these sorts of practices," he said.“

Scummo, after a career spent subsuming the Australian identity under the flood of competing cultures , and a career spent stimulating and fomenting the exact same FOMO , Fuck-you-I’ve-got-mine attitude amongst the population to create the housing Ponzi scheme , is now falling back to an appeal to recollect the Australian communal spirit.

After doing everything within his power to destroy the concept of Australian society and replace it with an economic zone consisting of fractured multicultural sub-groups .

Scummo .....you’re a liability , son. Your inability to lead or think or act without first running it through a computation of corrupted profiteering and plausible deniability is unprecedented.

Fuck off....is too kind.

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Pupkin commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:07pm

What's the problem?

We voted for him and his proxies, so...?

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Pops commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:23pm

Shit Chook, that's no good.
You caught COVID-19?

Some on here will ridicule me for this, but I'm praying for a swift recover for ya.

He who hesitates is lost

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Craig commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:25pm

Yeah get better soon Chook.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:31pm

I sent Chook a burst of positive thought too.

Pictured him as a friendly fella in his ‘60s under the white sheets of a hospital bed. Gave him a good dose of indefatigable white blood cells through the ethereal realm.

Have a go to get a go , Chook !

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philosurphizing... commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:39pm

SD wrote 'we humans are funny creatures....we really need to be directly impacted by something tangible before we take action'
Which begs the question why aren't world leaders rounding up all the leading virology scientists and putting them all together in the biggest and most well equipped laboratory we have on this planet and get them working together.
This crisis solution needs to be bigger than pharmaceutical companies competing against each other for the $ prize for who will be first with a vaccine.
We need to look back in history at the Manhattan Project where all these incredible minds came together and also invite say 20 people with really high IQ's who the virology scientists can feed lots of information to, and get varied out of the box thinking feedback which might help speed up the process.

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philosurphizing... commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:45pm

Bummer Chook.
How do you think you caught it.

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:53pm

My thoughts & prayers with you Chook, so you can be healed and healthy, healthy and healed.

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 1:55pm

I went for the check in tiny clean waves today. Tried to avoid people, hmm, too many on the beach and cliff at this spot, go to another. Hmmm, cars parked and it's a narrow track in - thinking of ways to workaround to get to a little peak all by myself.

So if you see someone behaving strangely in the sand dunes, it may not be Gary G...

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 2:12pm

I went surfing at a spot with a crowded car park but a relatively empty lineup. It amazed me that crew were just chatting away as though nothing was going on whilst elsewhere there was armed guards patrolling the shit paper.

Crew around here treat the situation like a Boxing Day sale. Big opportunity to get some shopping done but otherwise it’s chilled as fuck.

Surf was fun enough. Too hot in a spring suit and it was nice to still be in boardies. The tropic brew wax was a nightmare however. Just about ripped myself another arsehole doing the splits-to-disaster recovery first wave.

Paddling well wide with no one around and having masses of garfish showering out of the chocolate brown water towards me put the pep back into my paddle stroke after batting the four knot current and the endless cleanup sets .

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 2:20pm

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simba commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 2:27pm

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 2:36pm
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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 2:38pm

"Hundreds of students attended the assembly, and one yelled "this isn't allowed, this isn't allowed" as the crowd gathered."

Congrats, young fella. You are the conscience of the school.

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Pupkin commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 2:40am

Chook, you've got Covid-19?8

Bugger. One of the good guys gets it. Fare thee well. Plenty of docos to watch in recovery.

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channel-bottom commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 3:06pm

Actual footage of VelocityJohnno after his sand dune surf check.

https://youtu.be/4z0cQOcvAxo

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Optimist commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 3:21pm

Simba that was really interesting.Good find.

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simba commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 3:35pm

Trouble is if its that obvious why dont they do it....?......

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Craig commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 3:49pm

Surely not that easy. I'm guessing because that's where it starts from but then moves into the greater body and once it's done that, that heat treatment, if it works, won't work any more.

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Optimist commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 4:19pm

Are there any hospitals with access to saunas? would be interesting to try it out on a few folk.
Steamed chook may be on the menu.

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shoredump commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 4:34pm

If you’re over 70, do it twice a day for the rest of the year

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indo-dreaming commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 5:26pm

If only people would listen to people like Bill Gates and Dick Smith, them dudes are always a few steps ahead.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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megzee commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 6:29pm

Quote:
“The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.” Unquote
Billy boy Gates- same TED presentation with the pink cardy...

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Fliplid commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 6:49pm

If you've got Netflix you might enjoy this then Indo. He is definitely on another level

https://www.netflix.com/au/title/80184771

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:04pm

VJ @10.28am -
Swap you for some bog roll :)

Ballina IGA is the quietest shop in town, normally there's about half a dozen people in the whole supermarket.
But this afternoon was like Christmas Eve, and the place had been stripped - no milk, no bread, little meat, and of course nothing resembling TP, sanitiser etc.

But at least before I went to the IGA I got some wax.

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chook commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 8:02pm

Thanks for the kind wishes.
I have a virus, but they won’t test for covid as there are no breathing problems or fever. I get the impression they are rationing the tests. Sore all over and a cracking headache. No energy no appetite.

I’ve been self isolating from day one of news from wuhan. I work from home. I canceled going to three gigs I had tickets to. I didn’t even go to my joint 54th birthday last week. I’ve been wearing rubber gloves when I go out. I’m a shoulder hopper, so been keeping my distance in the lineup. So no idea at all.

On the upside, they been feeding me major opiate painkillers. First taste of the poppy in 34 years.

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 8:07pm

Good to hear from you Chook, milk of the poppy is good. Have had talks with veteran nurses who wish they would use pethidine (sp?) again - that stuff was ace. Take care, our wishes with you.

Andy, I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of TP at our place....

(down here I tend to do the orange base coat and a green top coat. When a grom gets their first board and goes for wax, it's usually so funny when they see this brand...)

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 8:25pm

"I’m a shoulder hopper, so been keeping my distance in the lineup."

I see you haven't lost your sense of humour Chook ;)

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 8:26pm

Keep the TP on the DL VJ.

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 10:26pm

Coronavirus heals our Blue Planet.
Blue Skies seen over China & Italy.
Swans / Dolphins / Fish grace ultra clear rapturous Venice Canals.
World is freaking out...simply remove Humans & it becomes a Paradise!
Who could've guessed that? All know what we must do now.. Durr!

China: (Cleaned up Filthy Smog!)
https://www.capeandislands.org/post/why-chinas-air-has-been-cleaner-duri...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/china-pollution-coronavirus-hnk-...

Italy: (That Dirty smut all gone!)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/03/13/italy-emis...

Venice: Never been healthier! Ask the Dolphins...the Wot!...those feathered things!
Them weird things with the Fins are the Swans...pretty sure of that!
https://in.mashable.com/culture/12283/dolphins-swans-return-to-venice-ca...

https://www.wantedinmilan.com/news/in-a-deserted-venice-the-canals-becom...

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Pupkin commented Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 11:22pm

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

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Eugene Green commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 12:30am

This line of thinking is so trendy right now isn’t it Blumpkin? Do the people who think this way include themselves, their friends and family members? Or is it just the people they don’t know that are the problem?
A planet or universe without humans is................pointless?

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 1:05am

having just travelled through dps four times with a clear growing amount of awareness and security, I've gotta totally agree with this guy, oz is a joke...

upstaged by denpasar, nice one smoco and co.

"...Is Australia taking this thing seriously? There were no temperature scanners in Sydney airport. No other travellers were asked anything about their health. A friend of mine arrived in Melbourne a few days ago direct from Italy, and she says she asked some detailed questions of a customs official about self-isolation. The official just smiled at her: "Just do your best darl."

Australia is heading for trouble. This isn't a country in lockdown, it's a country going through the motions.

Just a week before we left Italy, no one there was taking coronavirus too seriously. People were joking about it. They weren't changing their habits or changing their way of life. My family and I were the same.

But then everything changed. As it will here. Soon."

https://www.traveller.com.au/coronavirus-in-australia-i-just-flew-in-fro...

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 1:55am

Eugene Green has a point...no denying the fact that Humans are the weakest link!
How to hide our faces from the lowest lifeforms for infinity & beyond...priceless!

Virus Made Mankind do over...who predicted the do nothing Climate Change twist?
Nostradamus...'Corona do cleanse Earth as d' beast maketh man resemble amoeba.

Corona Mega series will cost $ Trillion Gazillion & screen nightly forever & a day!

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 2:13am

"...Unsurprisingly, China also has enablers abroad helping to whitewash Beijing’s culpability. World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus refused for months to declare a pandemic, and instead thanked China for “making us safer,” a comment straight out of an Orwell novel. This is the same WHO that has refused to allow Taiwan membership, due undoubtedly to Beijing’s influence over the WHO’s purse strings."

taiwan who totally nailed it in their virus response I'll add...

"...Most egregiously, some Chinese government officials have gone so far as to claim that the Wuhan virus was not indigenous to China at all, while others, like Mr. Tedros, suggest that China’s response somehow bought the world “time” to deal with the crisis. That such lines are being repeated by global officials and talking heads shows how effectively China’s propaganda machine is shaping the global narrative. The world is quickly coming to praise the Communist Party’s governance model, instead of condemn it.

The reality is that China did not tell its own people about the risk for weeks and refused to let in major foreign epidemiological teams, including from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Thus, the world could not get accurate information and laboratory samples early on. By then, it was too late to stop the virus from spreading, and other world capitals were as lax in imposing meaningful travel bans and quarantines as was Beijing.

Because of China’s initial failures, governments around the world, including democratic ones, now are being forced to take extraordinary actions that mimic to one degree or another Beijing’s authoritarian tendencies, thus remaking the world more in China’s image. Not least of the changes will be in more intrusive digital surveillance of citizens, so as to be able to better track and stop the spread of future epidemics, a step that might not have been necessary if Beijing was more open about the virus back in December and if the WHO had fulfilled its responsibilities earlier.

The Stakes for China and Globalization

Regardless of how much some governments and global voices praise China, Xi and the Communist Party care about dominating the propaganda war because the Wuhan virus has stood their nation on a razor’s edge. Xi’s own legitimacy is not merely at stake. His government is ferociously fighting to divert blame and attention, fearing that the world rightfully may utterly reassess modern China, from its technocratic prowess to its safety. Decades of a carefully curated global image may crumble if nations around the globe start paying attention to China’s lax public health care, incompetent and intrusive government, and generally less developed domestic conditions.

Xi’s fears are well founded, as a global reconsideration of China is long overdue. Legitimate criticisms and doubts about China’s governance and growth model were long suppressed by Chinese pressure and the willingness of many to buy into the Communist Party’s public line. Public shaming of foreign corporations, global influence operations, and “elite capture” -- all are policies Beijing has deployed to maintain China’s public image.

That carefully tended image is now cracked. Those concerned with global health issues may wonder why it is that China is wracked regularly by viral epidemics in addition to coronavirus, such as SARS, African Swine Fever, and avian flu (another outbreak is happening right now). Others may begin to look more carefully at China’s environmental devastation and the hundreds of thousands of premature deaths each year from air and water pollution."

"...More broadly, the pandemic of 2020 has brought doubts about globalization into the mainstream. Decades of open borders, unceasing intercontinental travel, study abroad, just-in-time inventory systems, and the like have created unexpected vulnerabilities in populations and economies thanks to unfettered openness. To worry about such weaknesses is not to adopt a Luddite reactionary stance, but to try and salvage the bases of the post-World War II global economic architecture."

"unexpected vulnerabilties"

...bahahahahahaha... that's one way to describe flat out dismissal and denial I guess ..decades of it...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/beijing_fears_covi...

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 2:34am

"....Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

And the Chinese government’s attempt to silence doctors warning others about the disease:

As word of a mysterious virus mounted, Li Wenliang shared suspicions in a private chat with his fellow medical school graduates.

The doctor said that seven people seemed to have contracted SARS — the respiratory illness that spread from China to more than two dozen countries and left hundreds dead in the early 2000s. One patient was quarantined at his hospital in Wuhan, China, Li said. He urged people to be careful.

Li and seven other doctors were quickly summoned by Chinese authorities for propagating “rumors” about SARS-like cases in the area — but their warnings were prescient. Soon, health officials worldwide would be scrambling to combat a novel virus with a striking genetic resemblance to SARS."

Oh yeh, but it's all good over at the WHO...

It seems the WHO Wu flu may be an appropriate name...

.... just going with naming conventions ans stuff...

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-crisis-caused-by-decis...

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shoredump commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 7:17am

CV is so bad, it’s going to be Australia’s 2nd worst disease this year. Yep, that bad! Now I’m freaking out, and it could even end up worse than heart disease.
The facts don’t lie, give them both equal respect.
Make no mistake, you could end up with CV just by walking into a bakery

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 7:25am

heart disease is a lifestyle disease - manageable, avoidable

the only thing lifestyle about this desease, is it's about to take yours away

...for a very long time..

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 7:24am

from lostdoggy at the top of the page. these are the people we should trust?

"Reading articles with hindsight.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/federal-government-must-lift-ban-an..."

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shoredump commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 9:20am

Hey Spykan, what are your figures, including true inflection rate, for people with a healthy lifestyle, whose lives are being taken away by CV?

Let’s talk about your serious scare mongering that I’m about to die from Covid-19 in 6 months time

Remember, I’m not saying this disease isn’t going to kill a lot of people, I’m just saying it’s been happening all the time anyway.

Do you have an opinion on the 15,000 children under 5 that die each day?
Poor and black so don’t matter I assume

We could have fixed Africa with this response. No joke

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garyg1412 commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 10:23am

Shoredump once this thing gets a head of steam in Africa you are going to see what it is truly capable of. No joke and no scare mongering!!! You have non existent health care systems in most countries and pre condition diseases that we don't have in the developed world, that combined with this virus, are apparently lethal. Add to this the fact that the rest of the world is pre occupied with their own problems there will be no international response unfortunately like there normally is for your ebola type incidents.

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 10:49am

I've got no figures shoredump, and the truth is, no one does, ...no figures that are much good anyway, they're all makng it up atm, which is the real concern for me. the language from docs and pollies...

I'm not talking about you falling from the perch, you seem fit enough to survive, me too probably. I'm talking about lockdown mate. possibly six months or more the way they are talking today

eveeyone's talking about the least crowded indo season ever. when really we're looking at the most uncrowded oz season ever...

burliegh to yourself maybe? north narra? well, you and the few wildmen who slip through the security net, before getting massive fines...

may happen, may not... but I can almost guarentee one of our big cities will be on lockdown in a month or so. willing to take bets if you are a betting man? (I'm not, ....but willing, serious!) .....$500 to some little black person charity say?

the black kids thing is a disaster mate, and the exact reason I gave money to a certain charity for years. and I feel rather guilty that I've dropped out of that habit actually...

no scaremongering mate, just trying to prepare the heap of people who are massively in denial. mainly due to a massive misinformation canpaign from our illustrious leader

its what he does

its all he does

its all he knows...

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mikehunt207 commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 11:23am

Why such inaction with border security/ closure. A mate came home through the airport the other day, same time a plane load from Japan arrived. Everyone just straight through , no screening or anything. Is the last drips of tourist dollars is more important to the Gov than the health of Australians. We are well and truly fucked under this (lack of) leadership

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 11:26am

mate, there's backpackers galore in Byron bay, many of whom arrived from Europe in the last week or so.

how the fuck will they police that?

answer: they won't.

Byron Farmers market this morning was three times as busy as usual with panic buying of fresh food.

never seen anything like it.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 11:48am

"Peter Dutton said he will send the police and the border force to investigate panic-buying, which he believes has a criminal motive."

Can't wait to see cops lined up to prosecute wealthy boomers who brought into the Byron life-style for panic buying organic food.

Blackly comic.

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sypkan commented Thursday, 19 Mar 2020 at 12:13pm

I came through customs sunday morning, it was s bloody joke. no different to 2 months ago, ...a lot has happened in that 2 months!

tbh the coronavirus health department lady, hanging in the shadows (still just waiting for volunteers) seem to have a bit more plastic on, but besides that, nothing

no temp checks, no serious questions, nothing. I could have come from anywhere via dps. even dps had temp checks for the second half of my trip, even in domestic!

for a country that has obsessively protected its borders from infection for decades, I honestly do not understand what is going on

desperate for bucks? maybe, you'd think bali would be more desperate. they are! that's probably why they are looking after their little money tree

we are either too lazy, stupid, apathetic....

or our government are so blinded by ideology they cannot see the forest for the trees

yes there will be economic pain, but it seems like the virus, most countries are now realising going faster harder earlier is key to addressing the issues long term

its beyond belief, hence my "scaremongering"