Submitted by Blowin on Fri, 06/21/2019 - 08:01
Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.
Defies logic that you've been able to fly in from the country where the source of most infections is.
And then when you arrive you just walk through to the taxi with no checks.
USA and Australia as John Howard says "joined at the hips"
VJ Meth is still a problem and yeah you do see the odd typical meth driver they stand out like the proverables.
Blowing its possible that some of the 4000 drivers doing the speed limit in front of me may have been indigenous but cannot be sure.........#realAussies
ID second wave is a thing, Spanish Flu had a much higher death rate second time around expect variations of lockdowns depending on infection rates.
More from our Shanghai correspondent received this am. Aussie expat 20+ years in the joint.
"Mate – I’ve just seen the front page – web page of the AFR.
Aside from David Rowe being very good today, it is a state of panic, not alarm …panic !
It’s ok – we will get through it all.
Everyone is in the same boat and the government and reserve bank are working together.
You have the best health system and brains in the world on an island (with borders already closed) with a small population and the health guys have been preparing, learning etc. since early Jan.
Australia is in a good position – really !
China economic activity is back to 80% retail ..ok, in the bigger cities where it starts 1st but they are we on the way….and who benefits from that most…..Australia.
Bill Ackman of Pershing is talking about US Inc where it is a different picture, more complicated and messy with a dysfunctional leadership and naturally alarmist media.
Hang in there."
Purely just interested Indo honestly not trying to push my beliefs, and thanks for the reply
It just seems to me this demonstrates how fragile we are, and so many people are going to be fucked...and management of it, the answer seems to be to adopt more socialistic principles
I am one of the very few people on the net to learn...not an expert at everything
And it actually makes me physically ill to enter a discussion about naming it chinavius or whatever...but honestly how could it possibly do any good
And just because you say you aren't a racist...doesn't make it so...no matter how you want to misspell it
Qantas Share price up 10 percent this morning after cancelling virtually all business activity, sticking 30,000 employees on the bench and having no medium term future to speak of ......nothing to see here !
Hoarding and profiteering is abhorrent, but a manifestation of human nature. Definitely not attributable to the ‘vibrant’ elements of our society Blowin. There’s plenty of examples from WW2 of the same behaviours in Australia (and worse in Britain) when the government announced rationing in mid ‘42. Guessing the ‘vibrancy’ was a little lower in those days?
BL: it’s shit behaviour, but it certainly isn’t one that is confined to, or absent from, any specific ethnicity or cultural group.
There’s organised gangs turning up to regional towns up in hired buses and towing caged box trailers with the express purpose of cleaning the shelves in order to onsell products at a profit.
The ability of these small town grocers to resupply is not the same as their big smoke brethren.
This is real. It’s happening and no amount of “ aww , shucks ....not the nice vibrants “ will alter the cold hard reality.
It’s a fucked up situation which is making a stressful and uncertain time for everyone exponentially worse.
Can you point us towards any credible evidence?
An article about the benefit of going hard early during a pandemic with limited evidence.
I have to admit , my thinking has come around 180 degrees on that.
Yeh , Andy I was watching a few vids of it online the other day. Just tried to find it with no success. It doesn’t please me to relate this news. It’s beyond belief as far as I’m concerned.
Freeride....that article was taking forever to load.
What was the crux and what’s your opinion now ?
better to go hard early with containment/suppression, even if data is limited.
Thats my opinion now, based on what I have learnt from very smart people.
My sister works at a white goods store on the Sunshine Coast and last week they completely sold out of freezers, one lady came in and bought 4.
Apparently people are using them to stockpile meat.
Also selling lots of bread makers.
Heard there was van load of people from the coast rock up to the Kyogle supermarket a few days ago, pretty sure they were regular people stocking up on things that were sold out in other towns.
saw it in melbourne with the baby formula and blackmores vitamin thing where chinese people would get bused around melbourne cleaning out the stores and pharmacies...was actually staying in the same hotel so got first hand view of them...
Same idea.....stock pile it and ship it back to china....who cares about the aussies....
Good luck shipping anything, anywhere in a few weeks. Reckon people might be over-estimating the returns on hoarded TP and food. Hope they lose money.
Went to the chemist to get a script filled at Pacific Fair shopping centre yesterday afternoon. A Chinese lady came in after visiting the doctors surgery next door and wanted to get 28 of those asthma inhaler’s. The counter assistant said there was a limit of one per customer.
This lady started raising her voice demanding she be supplied the inhalers, and to call the doctor who gave her the script. People gathered around, some calling her rude which only set her off more. She started screaming in the pharmacist’s face and security was called as well as her doctor.
The senior pharmacist looked up her records and saw she had been to other pharmacy’s previously demanding to bulk buy ventilators.
She started crying and called someone speaking in Chinese but using the word ‘security’ in English.
Some bloke ended up telling her to get a plane ticket and fuck off home, not cool maybe, but understandable given the circumstances.
I’m with blowin on this one. I’ve got no doubt this sort of behaviour is widespread and leading to shortages of essential medication and supplies.
Anyone caught doing this should be deported or jailed given the dire circumstances we are now living in?
*Recapping Coronavirus clearing Atmosphere & Waterways
tbb recently asked of Corona Animal invasions...Due to Crow Wars in home town.
Internet was blank...slowly but surely we now have a menagerie to fill an Ark.
In that time Animal shelters are closing & Zoos are web casting shows!
Debate surrounds Dog Corona Outbreak in Oz / RSPCA: Avoid other dogs-(1.5m)
Animal invasions or mass killings are a shock so no need for a Horror Show...
Should crew wish a link...just say...it's hardly the end of the world or is it!
2020 Coronavirus Animal Migration is exclusive to #1 swellnet
Feel free to share it around...better if you do!
*Animal species that benefit (Short term Only)
Wild Exotic Animals- China banned Wildlife Wet Markets (The Virus Source)
Wild Boar in Italian Towns
Deer herds in Japanese Train Stations & Streets
Bears have trapped Russians in Towns
Horses linger in Italian Streets
Sheep flock to graze in Italian Streets
Dogs (Wild) Egypt are trapping then vaccinating & taming > housing wild dogs
Fish are swimming into clearer waters free of Boating Turbulence.
Dolphins are attracted to clearer fish pockets & trapping their prey!
Birds (Various!) Birdsong & Singing is now the sweetest sound in every city.
Swans have plenty of time to swan about without peak rush hour!
Pigeons in Europe are fed by selfie Stars + US Electoral Stool Pigeons
Seagulls are pampered & fed by China State...
Crows are moving into towns (some by the 1000)
Bush Turkeys are digging around in Sydneysider's back yards
Ducks (Chinese-100,000) are on loan to Pakistan to fight Biblical Locust Plague!
*Animals species (Not Wanted) Falling on hard times!
Various (Rats to Mega Fauna)
China (Mass Spraying) Kills off 17 species Wild Boar- Weasels-Blackbirds etc...)
Russia (Mass Extermination) Rats - to any Stray or Wild Animal is as good as dead!
Pet Dogs / Cats (Worldwide Mass extermination /abandonment by poor owners)
Village Monkeys fight over dwindling resource
Birds (Various) Have been falling from North American Skies) A lot more than usual!
Pigeons (Middle East- Sub Continent) Spraying & Relocating away from Towns
Seagulls are fighting over less resource (Less fortunate than Downtown Pigeons)
Happy to share...as animals have even less voice in current climate!
Please don't despair as just as many animal lovers respond to abandonment!
tbb wouldn't lie about that...China has some horrific slaughters but also saviours.
Salute those around us who foster stray / Wild animals without a 2nd thought.
Important: RSPCA have 15% stray increase & adoptions down by 10%
Coronavirus > 25% increase (Care costs / wages + rental leasing).https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/adopt-more-animals-says-rspca-c-754116
Coronavirus Care Links for Pet Ownershttps://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/is-there-any-risk-of-contracting-...
tbb is reading about fellow outlandish Panic Buyers! Huh!
You now have to spend more for less on the shit you never ever dreamed of buying..
Sardines! Who the fuck eats Sardines...gotta buy it cause that's the last of them!
Up front! tbb was pulled aside as a panic buy criminal... just yesterday...
Normally spend $3 Mixed Veges but all gone > 2 x $5 Packs of Mixed Veges
Then became the Only person ever to buy a pack of Homebrand Broccoli Stalks.
Up at the counter! Panic Buy buzzer & tbb is on trial...[ tbb labelled a Panic Buyer! ].
Had to put the Broccoli Stalks back on the never touched higher than the Sky pile!
tbb's deadly mix of 2 Veges + 1 stalks raised the alarm..All point at the Panic Buyer!
Go to shop once a fortnight yet I'm the Panic Buyer! Fark!
Having a lie down on the Panic Buy Retail Therapy Couch...
Must not dream of Broccoli Stalks! Must not dream of Broccoli Stalks!
Recurring nightmares of Seniors whacking me with their canes
tbb admits guilt & apologies for later shopper/s who could stomach broccoli stalks.
That's freaky tbb! (Says from under rock)
After the panic buying, the quiet:
"An article about the benefit of going hard early during a pandemic with limited evidence.
I have to admit , my thinking has come around 180 degrees on that."
Totally, that was both a gut feeling, as well as my read once I got seeing some of the early Wuhan footage smuggled out via VPNs, before they shut the lid on it.
Aus response, they did well early shutting China flights, and wore the heat, but I think they've stuffed it now, they haven't clamped down as hard when they could have and are caught arguing semiotics of distance or numbers per indoor event/area. Just shut it down, schools and unis too. The economy will probably take more of a whack now with months of pain, rather than an early, brutal shutdown but people being confident the infection was not where they are. And the healthcare system would be much better able to respond if flights and ingress were halted early. Maybe Tassie might be able to control it, coming from such a low number, hope they trace well. Mainland east - and West - is fucked.
Well that's just it...all the affordable product lines are exhausted...
30% of actual product is exhausted & not being replaced.
Trolley 'load' now costs 30% more than what families budget.
It's interesting as that figure now mirrors pet/school abandonment..
Each day more kids are filling our Complex Pool.(Not at school)
Each Home has different Online speed to Teacher...Home schooling is No Option.
Class of 2020 looks set to be kept back...Wow! The setback for a Nation!
Imagine the impact of National state school kids labelled as failures because of poor parents!
World will need to have an urgent Summit on waving thru a lost year or Repeat!
As it stands rich kids are buying a whole extra grade above state schools!
That sort of inequality breaks friendships only 25% of rich kids will go to schoolies!
PM stopped State schools + extra $ > private on-line links + extra freedom to adapt.
Pause! PM regards these as our essential Services.
Rather than a concerted effort to maintain the frontline it is collapsing by the hour.
So frontline is at best a 70% motley crew and is fading fast..
Should frontline products fall beneath half...then disorder becomes normality.
National Guard will step in! All here can see that decline is hastening...
tbb expects 50% frontline stock next time round...(Not normal & alarming)
Someone or Something must legislate a base (Frontline *Normal 50% capacity)
Oz goes below 50% normal we lose control & security of health supply
To be blunt! We may have a cure but no service to safely supply (critical care)
Dont want to sound to pessamistic but i will cause its going to be a different world for a lot of us if not all of us when this thing resolves itself......We are obviously in a recession now but what will follow is frightening.My kids are always saying 'our generation' fucked it all up,used to half laugh it off but i think their right now.....we did.
I'm kind of staggered by the blasé attitude of the baby boomers I see around here.
Cafes packed, hanging out in restuarants etc etc.
I guess they are spending money locally but social distancing of any kind does not seem to be part of the equation.
"Four people aboard a cruise ship that berthed in Sydney on Thursday morning have tested positive for coronavirus, and other passengers who may have been exposed have disembarked."
"Mr Hazzard said it was possible other passengers who disembarked in Sydney unknowingly contracted coronavirus.
"Our big concern, the very big concern, is that those people came off the cruise with no knowledge of COVID actually being on their ship," he said.
"If they think that it's not necessary to do the 14 days, and if they think that it's okay to be wandering around, the clear message from me ... is, no, it's not.
"It is actually serious because if we had 2700 passengers on that ship we want to know that every single one of them is in quarantine.”"
I must admit I'm scratching my head trying to work out how this fits in with the lockdown response.
No mate . No generation fucked up .
We were like a bunch of lambs to the slaughter. As much as I take the piss out of individuals for their financial predicament, I certainly don’t think that the fault is all their own. Or even mostly their fault . Raised to trust in government, institutions and the system from birth. 90 percent of everyone we ever looked towards telling us to have faith in power.
All the while we have been assiduously corralled into modern semi-slavery.
Double income . Child minding. 30 year mortgages.
Cheap debt baiting the hook.
Now the people are trapped and compliant. Goaded and psychologically prompted at every turn. Lifetimes of servitude sold under the duress of FEAR ( of missing out ).
And to ice the cake of FEAR we need a little GREED , encouraged and massaged until it’s sickly sweet taste barely registers any more.
Humanity led willingly into a debt trap slaughterhouse.
People may scoff when I suggest that a transnational coterie is at work consciously influencing human trajectory but I don’t GAF . That’s what’s going on. People like to believe that human societal evolution is an unencumbered stumbling in the dark , I think otherwise. People don’t believe that humanity is capable of the intricate machinations and the macro scale determinations required to achieve this type of planned and visionary outcome .
I’ve watched entire mini- cities spring forth from barren desert sands , built entirely from a single fundamental thought originating from the other side of the planet , which was then acted upon and coordinated by tens of thousands of unique individuals all working in unison whilst sight unseen from each other at thousands of different locations across the world.
Same basic technique employed to financialise every aspect of human existence : Conceive, design , create.
Yep, so many kids today opting out - they can see the future, they can see the double income lifetime of work just to own a house and they ain't happy.
Do I feel sorry for them? Yeah I do.
The only thing is, blaming the 'boomers' is too lazy and too easy. As a generalisation, they might have been greedy but they were only operating inside the system.
VJ it's a joke.
At this point, how can authorities allow a cruise ship (or even a plane) to disgorge its passengers and have them just walk away?
I mean, they don't even pull out a thermometer??
And this is yesterday.
What a fucking slack country.
Cunts don't appear to be taking it seriously at all.
My time in isolation has been interesting.
We are so far behind other countries it is joke, what's the magic number of infections before they start taking it seriously?
Where are the temperature guns to monitor mass movements of people, they should be at every train station, airports then again when getting on or off a plane, ferry dock, before you go into a shopping centre, before you go into an office space, public service buildings etc, in the words of Derryn Hinch, 'shame shame shame'
Seems like that's what a shit-together country would do Uncle.
These are troubled times, but may I suggest using the other arm, or even enticing the Mrs.
Actually the biggest problem under isolation for many parents might be that the kids are home. "I've hidden some chockies out in the back yard around the cubby house, kids..."
Look for baby boom in about 9, 10 months...
Early on I got pretty timely info from this site, then it all got depressing and I haven't looked for a couple of weeks. But I did again and found this in the text:
"Florida and Texas have finally shut down most of the beaches where thousands of undaunted spring breakers have continued to party."
So that's beaches closed there I guess. Party season over too?
Some of the summary points are pretty full on:
"Coronavirus death toll in Italy surpasses China
Confirmed cases in the US double in two days
Mnuchin says wants to get checks in Americans' hands within 3 weeks
CA Governor issues state-wide 'stay at home' order
UK nears 3k cases
BoE cuts rates, launches QE after 'emergency' meeting
Confirmed cases in the US climbs ~50% as testing ramps up
Carnival confirms it will lend government ships for virus response
Connecticut reports 2nd death as US death toll hits 137
Cuomo reports nearly 2k new cases, bringing NY total north of 4k
Covid-19 'cluster' confirmed in South Brooklyn
Republican Senators introduce $1 trillion aid package
Minnesota designates grocery workers as 'essential employees', giving them access to child care
Total number of Covid-19 cases passes 10k
Cuomo signs NY unemployment-benefit expansion benefit package, warns of 'astronomical jump' in cases
China reports zero new cases in Wuhan for first time in months.
Treasury weighing 50- and 25-year bonds to finance stimulus package
South Africa case total passes 150
India halts incoming international flights for a week
Hong Kong doctors find virus inside 2nd dog
Spain total cases climb 28% overnight
Italian death toll expected to pass China's on Thursday
Pentagon says 2,000 nat'l guardsman deployed around the country
NY implements 90-day delay on mortgage payments due to hardship
FedEx says drop in deliveries in China was smaller than expected
Trump and Xi reportedly agree to deepen medical research ties
State Department advises Americans not to travel abroad
UK gov't denies plans for London lockdown
Amazon closes warehouse for 'deep clean' after worker tests positive
2 Lakers players test positive
Germany death toll climbs to 43
Treatment trial in Wuhan yields disappointing results
Australia confirms 3 passengers, 1 crew test positive aboard Ruby Princess cruise ship
Germany's Bafin bans short selling
Russia reports first death
SPR to buy 30 million barrels immediately, will eventually buy 70 million
Wuhan police erase record of 'admonition' delivered to Dr. Li Wenliang
German gov plans to suspend debt brake on Monday
Netherlands reports another jump in cases after unveiling stimulus package outline
Switzerland warns situation rapidly deteriorating along the Italian border
Tiffany closes all US stores"
How hopeless has Australia become ?
Now we can’t even man a phone in an emergency. It better not eventuate that this “ hotline “ is located in another country as the result of outsourcing.
Smoko has a plan...
2.4 m Visas overstay Corona, can't fly out & got no Health (Corona time bombs)
State Health / Farmers / Woolies & Coles / Maccas all smell ripe backpacker flesh.
Untested Corona visas on shit pay & no health, scores spew bucket bridging Visas.
Bosses can sack wornout frontline Aussies for these cheaper Corona carcasses...
For promise of a Bridging Visa if they Mop up the Corona spew in Isle 4.
Maccas told my Son he loses hours from next week (Friday 27th March )
Due to cheaper schoolkidz...
Strange as School Holidays don't start until following Friday (3rd April )
Looks like Maccas Decide on cheap shit Visas & Kidz School hours.
Dogsbody Slave Visa Rort sounds like business as usual...that be right Smoko?
US Moms are pesterin' Repeat Year...(US: under 175 school days is repeat!)
Proms are cancelled...if any do graduate the Prom is online (cry! cry!)
Schoolies will deny Corona, take kidz money then crash'n'burn...all Oz knows this!
Parents be like-how mean is that! ACA Tracy be like...how did your kid graduate?https://www.schoolies.com/2020
Lots of good posts on swellnet always informative, entertaining or plain deluded, read them often for shits and giggles in awe of the time you people have to waste.
Surprised no one has put the obvious together Whilst i agree with how fucked our country has become and encourage everyone to visit Micheal West to realise how fucked we will become from this
If YOU were running the country dealing with business and other stakeholders including schools talking about loss of business what would be the magical date you decide to shut down if needed
Its a simple answer how to stop the impact to business and the panic... we are in holding mode till people go on hols.
Public hols Friday 10th-13th April Easter Hols
School Hols Vic ends 27th March
QLD 3rd April
Every other state 9th April
3rd of April or 27th March Who wants to call it
I am In an area where no reported cases, however all the local accommodation is booked out for Easter .............Family should be infected by May-June
Sad we cannot close the roads
What do you do for a living, Statler ?
Here’s some cold hard facts from that untrustworthy country that appeared to want us to catch the disease that has sent the world into a global depression
Population: 1.5 billion
Today’s new cases: 39
(it’s almost stopped)
Total percentage of population that have contracted Covid-19:
You’ve been had my friends
Would be the smart thing to reduce all internal travelling around states now , help stop it spreading from the big population centres to regional areas but they wont. So very likely we will all be in full lockdown by Easter holidays. Too many people just not getting it when it comes to self isolation, heaps kids taken out of schools already by parents who then take them around to their friends houses or the beach or the shops etc so effectively fucking the whole point of self isolation. They will have to enforce a lockdown situation just to try and get a handle on it by easter (too late again) . Then schools will close permantly and rules galore will be worked out , then we will be where Italy, Spain, France, California etc etc are now and that,s when the squealing will really start.
So, arrive into Australia from overseas. No checks just fill out form. Home to self isolate.
Red Cross is contracted by Queensland Health to welfare check self isolators.
If self isolators aren't complying the Red Cross "won't dob" it's not their job.
Police will fine you $13000 for not self isolating but Queensland police won't check for compliance unless requested by Queensland Health.
Queensland Health don't know because Red Cross don't tell.
This is starting to feel like a slow train wreck gathering speed
Yeah nah you want to see a train wreck, check out Hollands approach.
Looks like they are basically going to let it move through the community and just protect older people etc with the hope it will build up herd immunity. (UK considered it but decided not to go ahead and play it safe)
That's pretty crazy, dare i say down right reckless, it's not even a sure thing that we build up resistance to the virus.
Going to be interesting to see how they go, i guess high risk high reward, but could also end up a complete mess.
BTW. Luckily here in Vicco School holidays start next weekend, going to be interesting to see if our stats change compared to other states.
From the link above -
"These are the moments that define us as a country and as a people."
You said it.
Must have a lot of confidence in their health care system
a little scary...
"...all the medical staff urge other nations to see what's happening and lock their nations down right now or face this"
how many warnings you need oz?
I heard Trumpy rename it the "China Virus" the other day. Someone yelled out "dont call it that". He replied...It is what it is.."The China Virus"...Perfect...Lest We Forget.
Harvard professor and chair of chemical biology just caught working with China
doesn't most of academia work for the CCP anyway?
Very good link that is worth reading and understanding:
The reason China reporting so few cases (if you can believe their numbers) - SKorea reporting getting on top of it, Taiwan, HK/Singapore - is they went hard on Option C, and early for the latter 4 of them. This is what we want to do if we want to preserve the health system's capacity.