2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:50pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/20/scott-morrison-pr...

Again Scomo demonstrating he does not have a farking clue....
What a clown. Anyone who had ever been near a warehouse knows this is next level stupid....
What's next? Fast tracking some year 12 students to be heart surgeons.

I can see where you’re coming from Andy , there does seem to be some strange rules around ages for certain things though . When you look at kids that grow up on farms , they operate a variety of potentially dangerous machines . The minimum age for solo pilot seems pretty young. The first pilot license you will need to obtain is a student pilot license. This license allows you to start your flight training. In Australia, the minimum age to fly solo is 15.
https://www.aviationfly.com › how-t...
How to Become a Pilot in Australia 2021 - Aviationfly

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andy-mac Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:59pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/20/scott-morrison-pr...

Again Scomo demonstrating he does not have a farking clue....
What a clown. Anyone who had ever been near a warehouse knows this is next level stupid....
What's next? Fast tracking some year 12 students to be heart surgeons.

I can see where you’re coming from Andy , there does seem to be some strange rules around ages for certain things though . When you look at kids that grow up on farms , they operate a variety of potentially dangerous machines . The minimum age for solo pilot seems pretty young. The first pilot license you will need to obtain is a student pilot license. This license allows you to start your flight training. In Australia, the minimum age to fly solo is 15.
https://www.aviationfly.com › how-t...
How to Become a Pilot in Australia 2021 - Aviationfly

Agree with all your points there Supa. My annoyance is that the warehousing issues are (hopefully) a short to medium term problem and will be no longer a major issue once the Omicron wave subsides.
It is not so much age that concerns me, but the time required in training for the operation of a fork lift. You cannot just give a couple of lessons and then let someone go. I worked at a Woollies distribution centre back in 90's and it was a very busy place and not a place for unskilled fork drivers. Basically to become a fork lift driver you had to get your initial experience loading pallets still using heavy machinery. Some kids could do it, but I would not have trusted myself doing it when I was 15!!
Think this was just another Scomo brainfart and he will be denying he said it by tomorrow morning.....

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 4:27pm

Well andy , brain fart is his specialty

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andy-mac Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 5:01pm

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Yep, not a fan of Scomo....

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Roystein Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 5:45pm

I’m not a fan of ScoMo either but that video is gutter commentary lacking any substance at all.

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andy-mac Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 6:35pm
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I’m not a fan of ScoMo either but that video is gutter commentary lacking any substance at all.

Please point out where he is wrong and where he is using gutter journalism?
Defamation law in Australia seems to be a joke, Dutton suing tweet? Porter?

Jordan seems to go hard on some but is telling the truth, hence his videos on Scomo, Palmer and Bruz are still there and he has not been bankrupted.... Seems luckily defence of truth still holds some value in Oz.

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Roystein Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 7:37pm

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

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andy-mac Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 8:43pm
Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

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indo-dreaming Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:05pm
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Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

Those with money will always have a better ability to sue that's just life, but slander and defamation also affects people with a public profile much much more than it affects some nobody that doesn't actual have a public profile to begin with.

And there is a big difference between criticism and just outright lies designed purely to defame a person.

IMHO politicians and even other people with a public profile take way too much shit, they should go hard after a few people that really stir up shit and make examples of them like Dutton has with that refugee advocate, these people seem to have a belief that they can say and do anything without consequence.

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soggydog Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:31pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

Those with money will always have a better ability to sue that's just life, but slander and defamation also affects people with a public profile much much more than it affects some nobody that doesn't actual have a public profile to begin with.

And there is a big difference between criticism and just outright lies designed purely to defame a person.

IMHO politicians and even other people with a public profile take way too much shit, they should go hard after a few people that really stir up shit and make examples of them like Dutton has with that refugee advocate, these people seem to have a belief that they can say and do anything without consequence.

That’s a pretty scary wish ID

And is”these people think they can say and do anything without consequence” referring to Dutton Scummo Porter etc. Because not only are they doing that, they’re financially persecuting anyone who calls them out.

Not as great as you may think.

What’s next, Julian Assange. Lock up a guy for being a journalist. Cool?!

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andy-mac Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:34pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

Those with money will always have a better ability to sue that's just life, but slander and defamation also affects people with a public profile much much more than it affects some nobody that doesn't actual have a public profile to begin with.

And there is a big difference between criticism and just outright lies designed purely to defame a person.

IMHO politicians and even other people with a public profile take way too much shit, they should go hard after a few people that really stir up shit and make examples of them like Dutton has with that refugee advocate, these people seem to have a belief that they can say and do anything without consequence.

Was anything said untrue?
Think Dutton lost his in the total scheme of things as he makes up total mis-truths, black gangs, the boats the boats!! Etc.
Kind of strengthens my point re Jordan and Scomo. If not true sure Scomo would have taken him to court by now as Palmer would have.
Fark look at the shit Gillard got thrown at her, were you in the ring for her?

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andy-mac Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:43pm

And Jordies can seem like a one eyed Labor cheer leader, but then....

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Vic Local Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:15pm

Anyone been paying attention to the Pray and Pushback event today. This online event involved speakers from across the political spectrum. Well not exactly. It had speakers from the religious right, the racist right, and the batshit crazy right. The event was organised by a pentecostal nutter and it's a major part of scumo's re-election strategy.
Our turd PM has no chance of winning the election by standing on his woeful record of incompetence and corruption. He has nothing to offer Labor voters and is losing small l voters (especially women) by the truckload. To make up for all the deserting voters, the LNP have jumped into bed with the nutter right in a desperate attempt to win over some labor voters via anti-vax anti-lockdown shitfuckery.
It's a bizarre dance routine going on. The batshit right (one nation, UAP, and "rogue" LNP MPs and senators) are speaking at rallies and just flat out campaigning for the idiot vote. Meanwhile Scumo is trying to play sensible Dad, appealing to mainstream Australia, without upsetting the idiot anti-vaxxers too much. He still needs their preferences. What do you think the Djokovic shitshow was all about.
His govt is that fucking useless and unelectable, the only chance of re-election is with the help from Palmer's and Hanson's anti-vax useful idiots. God help us if they are successful.

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Cockee Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 8:50am

Gee, Vic, didn't realise a Federal Coalition govt had made your life so f...ing difficult and miserable. Maybe you could detail your tale of woe so that people in Tonga can send you some goodwill/funds to help you get through the difficult period until Labor wins the next election.

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Vic Local Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:09am
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Gee, Vic, didn't realise a Federal Coalition govt had made your life so f...ing difficult and miserable. Maybe you could detail your tale of woe so that people in Tonga can send you some goodwill/funds to help you get through the difficult period until Labor wins the next election.

They don't make my life miserable. They just make Australia more corrupt and less fair. I won the fucking lottery ticket being born white in middle class 1970s Australia. Any mug in my situation gets a very fair crack at life, but I want my taxes being spent giving others the same opportunities not being ripped off by millionaire scumbags who were private school chums with the minister.
Seriously Cockee. We could be so much more generous to Tonga, but you know, car parks in marginal electorates, and spending $30 mil on a $3mil block of land takes priority.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:48am
andy-mac wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

Those with money will always have a better ability to sue that's just life, but slander and defamation also affects people with a public profile much much more than it affects some nobody that doesn't actual have a public profile to begin with.

And there is a big difference between criticism and just outright lies designed purely to defame a person.

IMHO politicians and even other people with a public profile take way too much shit, they should go hard after a few people that really stir up shit and make examples of them like Dutton has with that refugee advocate, these people seem to have a belief that they can say and do anything without consequence.

Was anything said untrue?
Think Dutton lost his in the total scheme of things as he makes up total mis-truths, black gangs, the boats the boats!! Etc.
Kind of strengthens my point re Jordan and Scomo. If not true sure Scomo would have taken him to court by now as Palmer would have.
Fark look at the shit Gillard got thrown at her, were you in the ring for her?

I say leave it up to the courts to decide what is untrue or not, not you or me.

As for Gillard she got it very soft compared to what Pauline has copped for about 25 years now and no its not just her views that are attacked so much of what is directed at her is misogynistic driven, i dont agree with half her views, but I have huge respect for her resilience and strength, most people (not just women) would have crumbled after a year or two with the shit she has had to take.

The reason I think more politicians don't go after guys like that completed and utter fuck witt labor stooge Jordie, is because doing so brings them attention and only boost their profile and sadly lots of people end up seeing them as the victims and the actual person being defamed as the bad guy, so would do them no favours politically, its fucking crazy.

As for Julien assange Soggy dog, he is in no way a journalist, personally it does my head in that he has been able to play the games he has and can avoid being sent to the USA to face the music.

The only real silver lining is his life is pretty much destroyed, fingers crossed he still ends up getting sent to the USA though.

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I focus Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:43am
Vic Local wrote:
Cockee wrote:

Gee, Vic, didn't realise a Federal Coalition govt had made your life so f...ing difficult and miserable. Maybe you could detail your tale of woe so that people in Tonga can send you some goodwill/funds to help you get through the difficult period until Labor wins the next election.

They don't make my life miserable. They just make Australia more corrupt and less fair. I won the fucking lottery ticket being born white in middle class 1970s Australia. Any mug in my situation gets a very fair crack at life, but I want my taxes being spent giving others the same opportunities not being ripped off by millionaire scumbags who were private school chums with the minister.
Seriously Cockee. We could be so much more generous to Tonga, but you know, car parks in marginal electorates, and spending $30 mil on a $3mil block of land takes priority.

Don't forget giving away $40 bil to profitable company's leaving the tax payers on the hook for and running the credit out to a trill will cause pain.

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Cockee Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 11:54am

So we have now established that Vic's life is neither difficult nor (according to him but contrary to all evidence) miserable. Tongans, please send your prayers (no funds necessary unless you can't resist) to Vic via the Torquay post office.

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andy-mac Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 12:36pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

Those with money will always have a better ability to sue that's just life, but slander and defamation also affects people with a public profile much much more than it affects some nobody that doesn't actual have a public profile to begin with.

And there is a big difference between criticism and just outright lies designed purely to defame a person.

IMHO politicians and even other people with a public profile take way too much shit, they should go hard after a few people that really stir up shit and make examples of them like Dutton has with that refugee advocate, these people seem to have a belief that they can say and do anything without consequence.

Was anything said untrue?
Think Dutton lost his in the total scheme of things as he makes up total mis-truths, black gangs, the boats the boats!! Etc.
Kind of strengthens my point re Jordan and Scomo. If not true sure Scomo would have taken him to court by now as Palmer would have.
Fark look at the shit Gillard got thrown at her, were you in the ring for her?

I say leave it up to the courts to decide what is untrue or not, not you or me.

As for Gillard she got it very soft compared to what Pauline has copped for about 25 years now and no its not just her views that are attacked so much of what is directed at her is misogynistic driven, i dont agree with half her views, but I have huge respect for her resilience and strength, most people (not just women) would have crumbled after a year or two with the shit she has had to take.

The reason I think more politicians don't go after guys like that completed and utter fuck witt labor stooge Jordie, is because doing so brings them attention and only boost their profile and sadly lots of people end up seeing them as the victims and the actual person being defamed as the bad guy, so would do them no favours politically, its fucking crazy.

As for Julien assange Soggy dog, he is in no way a journalist, personally it does my head in that he has been able to play the games he has and can avoid being sent to the USA to face the music.

The only real silver lining is his life is pretty much destroyed, fingers crossed he still ends up getting sent to the USA though.

Got lots on today so will be brief, but 3 main points.
1. Hanson has always had a platform run on toxic negativity targeting minorities, whether indigenous Australians, Asians ( yes my family has contributed to the swamping), and Muslims. She has never had anything positive in any way to contribute to Australia or Australians and is a grifter of the highest order. Her own side went after he the hardest ie Abbott for which she did time. There is no comparison to Gillard who was our PM who for all her perceived faults tried to unite and improve the lot for Australians. Hanson actively seeks media attention such as Burka in parliament FFS. Not shedding a tear for her.

2. Yes let the courts decide, if Palmer or Scomo had a ice cube chance in hell of going after Jordies, they would have. Palmer sent him a legal notice which he humorously ripped apart. If interested, check Fatty McFuckhead.
Attacking the individual as a Labor stooge buy not being able to argue the points he brings up. I can understand a lot of people not liking his style and find him vulgar etc. But he does the research with help from other such as Michael West. When someone plays the man, not the ball you know they have lost the argument.

4. You ok with journalists/ individuals being indefinitely locked up by the state for reporting war crimes or whistle blowing? Then I can understand clearly how our view differs in how a free democratic country should look like. Assange did not commit any crime ..

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soggydog Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 5:43pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
Roystein wrote:

Equating public slander and defamation and abuse (which is what trolling often is) and what the laws are designed to stop to quelling free speech is drawing a long bow
Not saying that we shouldn’t be wary of the current way our government are operating or any government for that matter, but I’m sorry this sort of rubbish that fills our online spaces doesn’t add anything to developing a mature and progressive social and political discourse that our flailing country so desperately needs.

My main concern is the imbalance of power that some Australian's presently have under Australian law. Politicians being able to have the power and means by to sue someone making a Twitter comment (Dutton) with something they disagree with.
Online trolling is a big problem with kids( have worked in education and it is a serious matter) but weakening laws where politicians can chase down critics is a very slippery slope. My interpretation of the Jordie video is him calling this out, nothing much more or less. They (politicians) will not go after big media, but individuals that do not have the means or power to properly represent themselves...
In regards to Jordies; I believe he has to be extremely careful in this regard as he had obviously upset and had a go at some very powerful people. Honestly, I fear for his welfare in this regard

Those with money will always have a better ability to sue that's just life, but slander and defamation also affects people with a public profile much much more than it affects some nobody that doesn't actual have a public profile to begin with.

And there is a big difference between criticism and just outright lies designed purely to defame a person.

IMHO politicians and even other people with a public profile take way too much shit, they should go hard after a few people that really stir up shit and make examples of them like Dutton has with that refugee advocate, these people seem to have a belief that they can say and do anything without consequence.

Was anything said untrue?
Think Dutton lost his in the total scheme of things as he makes up total mis-truths, black gangs, the boats the boats!! Etc.
Kind of strengthens my point re Jordan and Scomo. If not true sure Scomo would have taken him to court by now as Palmer would have.
Fark look at the shit Gillard got thrown at her, were you in the ring for her?

I say leave it up to the courts to decide what is untrue or not, not you or me.

As for Gillard she got it very soft compared to what Pauline has copped for about 25 years now and no its not just her views that are attacked so much of what is directed at her is misogynistic driven, i dont agree with half her views, but I have huge respect for her resilience and strength, most people (not just women) would have crumbled after a year or two with the shit she has had to take.

The reason I think more politicians don't go after guys like that completed and utter fuck witt labor stooge Jordie, is because doing so brings them attention and only boost their profile and sadly lots of people end up seeing them as the victims and the actual person being defamed as the bad guy, so would do them no favours politically, its fucking crazy.

As for Julien assange Soggy dog, he is in no way a journalist, personally it does my head in that he has been able to play the games he has and can avoid being sent to the USA to face the music.

The only real silver lining is his life is pretty much destroyed, fingers crossed he still ends up getting sent to the USA though.

Assange is guilty of nothing but journalism. It baffles me how often you want to lay the boots in or find glee in the downfall in people who actually have your best interest and the interest of humanity at heart. While at the same time wishing for harsher more draconian actions to suppress any dissent, or now talking about government shitfuckery. What sort of country do you want to live in mate because it sounds a bit fucked?

Gillard was a good PM too. Hanson does not compare.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 6:57pm

1. I dont agree, I think Pauline has brought up some real important issues through her political life i dont see her as either toxic or hateful she just isn't scared to say what she and many others think, not that i agree with everything she says, id say 50/50 but as far as strong women go, she has my respect there.

Multiculturalism can be a good thing, but it can also cause problems if not managed correctly.

Smart countries like Singapore have things like the ethic integration policy to ensure diversity in housing units etc

2. I dont agree just because they have a case doesn't mean they would bother, because it might not favour them politically and I'm sure most poltitians have enough on their plate

Each to their own, i just cant stand him, ive watched his videos before when people have posted them but wont anymore, if i bag him its not different to how others bag someone like Avi and wont watch his videos.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 6:55pm

As for Julian Assange you guys are dreaming if you think he is a journalist, if he is so innocent he would have no issue facing the music in the USA, but the reality is he is a very serious criminal with at least 18 charges against him including espionage, conspiracy to commit espionage, theft or conversion of property belonging to the United States government, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and general conspiracy.

And worst still when younger he had already been charged with similar things in Australia, so he really has no excuse, so should get no free pass at all.

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Cockee Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 8:03pm

Amazing how comments which are close to the bone remain unanswered. Vic is a privileged white guy (his own admission) living the life of Riley but still can't help claiming 'woe is me'. No wonder the aboriginals are still feeling like victims, despite their living standards being improved astronomically since Cook's arrival. Went to Moulin Rouge last night and great show but felt physically ill by the welcome to country BS.

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Vic Local Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 8:52pm
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Amazing how comments which are close to the bone remain unanswered. Vic is a privileged white guy (his own admission) living the life of Riley but still can't help claiming 'woe is me'. No wonder the aboriginals are still feeling like victims, despite their living standards being improved astronomically since Cook's arrival. Went to Moulin Rouge last night and great show but felt physically ill by the welcome to country BS.

You felt physically ill? Really. probably has something to you being an utter flog.
Did the usher call you a wambulance?

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Cockee Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 8:57pm

Soggy writes ' Assange is guilty of nothing but journalism.
Gillard was a good PM too. Hanson does not compare.'

Suggest you get off the drugs soggy. Assange is charged with treason and rape, not journalism. Gillard got kicked-out by Rudd and Pauline has never been PM.

As for Vic, he is understandably listless and looking for cheap points in an attempt to justify his 'life of woe';

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soggydog Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:08pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

As for Julian Assange you guys are dreaming if you think he is a journalist, if he is so innocent he would have no issue facing the music in the USA, but the reality is he is a very serious criminal with at least 18 charges against him including espionage, conspiracy to commit espionage, theft or conversion of property belonging to the United States government, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and general conspiracy.

And worst still when younger he had already been charged with similar things in Australia, so he really has no excuse, so should get no free pass at all.

Well after listening to Nilz Melzer, the UN Special Rapoeteur on Torture; Human rights Chair. Glasgow University; Vice President IIHL, Geneva Academy; Professor of International Law, explain how and why Julian Assange is innocent and that all charges that currently stand should be dropped as he received documents from an anonymous source and published them, that’s called journalism ID. , all this happening outside of the US, also not a US Citizen. The documents that revealed US war crimes.

If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

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soggydog Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:15pm

Cockee……. I think you’re missing a “H” and a “D”. Take those two letters and see what you can do with your handle mate. Like a word jumble. Should keep you busy for a bit.

Edit: Treason you fucking goose. How can an Australian citizen be charged for treason against a country he’s not a citizen of, the USA. As for the rape, not enough evidence to even charge him!
Like I said mate, just work on the word jumble and we’ll go from there.

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Cockee Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:13pm

News flash - Soggy knows more than the international courts re Assange - the man's a genius! PS Give JA a call and I'm sure he'll engage you ASAP. PPS His wife or kid might take the call so be prepared to be on hold for a while.

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soggydog Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:17pm
Cockee wrote:

News flash - Soggy knows more than the international courts re Assange - the man's a genius! PS Give JA a call and I'm sure he'll engage you ASAP. PPS His wife or kid might take the call so be prepared to be on hold for a while.

Read who provided the information I’m establishing my opinion from you goose. An expert on International Law.

How’s the word jumble going?

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Cockee Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 9:40pm

The only way a dog gets soggy is if the owner gives it a bath or jerks off over it - I'm guessing the latter in your case sog.

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zenagain Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 10:47pm

Cockee, Soggy didn't come down in the last sunshower. He is one of the more balanced on here and has a strong moral compass.

Maybe worth pondering before casting aspersions.

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AndyM Saturday, 22 Jan 2022 at 11:58pm

"Well after listening to Nilz Melzer, the UN Special Rapoeteur on Torture; Human rights Chair. Glasgow University; Vice President IIHL, Geneva Academy; Professor of International Law, explain how and why Julian Assange is innocent and that all charges that currently stand should be dropped as he received documents from an anonymous source and published them, that’s called journalism ID. , all this happening outside of the US, also not a US Citizen. The documents that revealed US war crimes.

If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about."

Good post Soggy.

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Cockee Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 8:30am

Oh please get off your high horses gents - 'advocate of tyranny', 'Assange is guilty of nothing but journalism', 'Soggy has a strong moral compass', etc. When you think that you know more than those who have investigated a case for years, from the comfort of your armchair, you really can't be taken seriously. PS There is no such thing as a 'Rapoeteur'.

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andy-mac Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 8:43am

What exactly is Assange guilty of?
How does his actions differ from any other investigative journalism?
Serious question?
Australia diplomatically jumps up and down over free speech/ press when lecturing other countries, but cannot represent a citizen standing for these ideals.
The whole Timor Leste saga with witness K and secret trials thing is not the actions of a so called free democratic country.
Australia is on a slippery slope here....

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soggydog Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:01am

Cockee, I got my information from the podcast “ Useful Idiots” with Matt Taibbi and Katie Harper. ( extremely credible independent journalist’s) The interview is with Nilz Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur for Torture. ( I mis-spelled it the first time) Episode was published on December 11 2021.
Melzer even states he had to overcome manufactured bias prior to starting his investigation. All of it from treason to the rape charges are bullshit. Check it out for yourself, make up your own mind. It seems you have a number of prejudices that need some work to become a useful member of society. Good luck.

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soggydog Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:00am
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What exactly is Assange guilty of?
How does his actions differ from any other investigative journalism?
Serious question?
Australia diplomatically jumps up and down over free speech/ press when lecturing other countries, but cannot represent a citizen standing for these ideals.
The whole Timor Leste saga with witness K and secret trials thing is not the actions of a so called free democratic country.
Australia is on a slippery slope here....

Oh I would say we are well and truly there Andy, that’s why I find ID’s comments so infuriating. Seems like he’d be a good dude but he seems to put his shoulder behind the oppressive and punch down on the dissenters. Scared of putting truth to power.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:08am
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If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

Says the guy that thinks there is no crime in hacking into government systems and releasing classified files to the world, putting many life's at risk.

FFS if that isn't a crime then we might as well just legalise every criminal activity, i'ts not only a crime, it's about as serious crime as you can get.

BTW. It's 2022 there is a so called expert with an opposing view to pretty much everything these days, most recent example Robert Malone pioneer, of mRNA technology and his views on the risk associate with them but you find them in every field, it doesn't mean they are right.

Like i said send him to the USA and let the court decide, i highly doubt they will say he didn't commit a crime, there's a good reason why he never did the same for other countries like China or Russia, because he would be dead long ago.

Anyway as they say "play stupid games get stupid prizes"

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soggydog Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:04am

He did not conduct the Hack, he received the documents from the hacker who kept himself anonymous.
Listen to the podcast ID, get the full story.

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soggydog Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:07am
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He did not conduct the Hack, he received the documents from the hacker who kept himself anonymous.
Listen to the podcast ID, get the full story.

How can a fair trial in the US be guaranteed when the charges are completely trumped up.

Whatever Indo…. You do you mate.

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soggydog Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:09am
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BTW. its irrelevant if he hacked the files himself, or got others to do so, or others sold info to him, it's all the same deal especially with his history of serious hacking crimes.

According to international law….you are wrong. Next

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:11am

It's irrelevant if he hacked the files himself, or if he paid someone else to or if he bought he files of someone else, it's all the same deal.

Its like a criminal with a history off theft getting caught selling stolen goods, and saying oh i didnt know they were stolen, i got them from a friend.

It's pretty simple did he release secret documents?

Yes...guilty...end of story

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andy-mac Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:17am
indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:

If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

Says the guy that thinks there is no crime in hacking into government systems and releasing classified files to the world, putting many life's at risk.

FFS if that isn't a crime then we might as well just legalise every criminal activity, i'ts not only a crime, it's about as serious crime as you can get.

BTW. It's 2022 there is a so called expert with an opposing view to pretty much everything these days, most recent example Robert Malone pioneer, of mRNA technology and his views on the risk associate with them but you find them in every field, it doesn't mean they are right.

Like i said send him to the USA and let the court decide, i highly doubt they will say he didn't commit a crime, there's a good reason why he never did the same for other countries like China or Russia, because he would be dead long ago.

Anyway as they say "play stupid games get stupid prizes"

My understanding is that Assange received information that had been hacked, he did not do the hacking. That is what journalists do, should do. He exposed crimes, some graphically exposed by video.
Are you ok with war crimes such as this being covered up and whistle blowers being prosecuted? Because that seems what you are advocating.
He initially worked with journalists from major media organisations and it was shown that he never put any lives at risk and had names redacted etc
Yes if he exposed China / Russia he may be in worse situation, but these examples are hardly countries you wish to hold up as free speech rule of law examples.
If Assange does eventually face a court in the USA, I would wager it will not be a open trial. More like a trial he would be facing if in China or Russia...

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andy-mac Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:22am
indo-dreaming wrote:

It's irrelevant if he hacked the files himself, or if he paid someone else to or if he bought he files of someone else, it's all the same deal.

Its like a criminal with a history off theft getting caught selling stolen goods, and saying oh i didnt know they were stolen, i got them from a friend.

It's pretty simple did he release secret documents?

Yes...guilty...end of story

So what you are saying here is that it's ok, even lawful for the State to commit crimes. But if these crimes are exposed, the person responsible for the exposure is the criminal.
Got ya...
Think you may need to change your PDI picture to Suharto's Golkar.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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soggydog Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:25am

I’ll put one last question to you Indo, given that you think Assange should face the music for whatever trumped up charges are layered against him. The Hacked US documents revealed US war crimes ( don’t miss this very important fact. Their own documents revealed their own war crimes), Who should face the music for that, when are they going to face a court, do you even know thier names?
You are baying for the blood of a Journalist in support of imperialistic war criminals. Forget Assange this is about the defence of the fourth estate.

I’m out gents, surf beckons.

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Vic Local Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:42am

ID, your take on Assange is pretty ridiculous. He essentially created an encryption system where people can blow the whistle on criminals with anonymity.
It's pretty bloody obvious the US government does not want videos of their soldiers murdering innocent civilians floating around the general public, This is why they've gone after Assange so hard. He needs to be punished and others need to be warned not to do the same.
BTW, why does it not shock me you respect that poor white trash Hanson? Not really a surprise given how much you hate ANTIFA and the BLM movement. Some might be making a few assumptions champ.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 9:47am

Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway.

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andy-mac Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 10:01am
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Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway.

Yep, war is the crime ..
Hopefully one day humanity will evolve out of the need to kill each other..

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Vic Local Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 10:10am
indo-dreaming wrote:

Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway.

Just another shit take from you ID.
Did you see any of the footage leaked via the Wikileaks platform?
The most devastating clip involved about a dozen people (innocent civilians) standing around a truck, a voice can be heard saying "yep light em up". Then you see all of them murdered from a long rang strike.
But hey, according to you it's Assange who is the problem and you think the concept of war crimes is ridiculous.

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adam12 Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:29pm

Indo "Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway."
Remember those ridiculous Nuremberg Trials.
Each to their own.

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Vic Local Sunday, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:42pm
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Indo "Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway."
Remember those ridiculous Nuremberg Trials.
Each to their own.

Oh and when some mad ISIS bastards chops off the head of some poor journalist or aid worker, that's all cool, normal, and fair game for ID.
What I think ID means is war crimes by his side is fine, but if others do it that's bad.