2022 Election
Amazing how comments which are close to the bone remain unanswered. Vic is a privileged white guy (his own admission) living the life of Riley but still can't help claiming 'woe is me'. No wonder the aboriginals are still feeling like victims, despite their living standards being improved astronomically since Cook's arrival. Went to Moulin Rouge last night and great show but felt physically ill by the welcome to country BS.
Cockee wrote:Amazing how comments which are close to the bone remain unanswered. Vic is a privileged white guy (his own admission) living the life of Riley but still can't help claiming 'woe is me'. No wonder the aboriginals are still feeling like victims, despite their living standards being improved astronomically since Cook's arrival. Went to Moulin Rouge last night and great show but felt physically ill by the welcome to country BS.
You felt physically ill? Really. probably has something to you being an utter flog.
Did the usher call you a wambulance?
Soggy writes ' Assange is guilty of nothing but journalism.
Gillard was a good PM too. Hanson does not compare.'
Suggest you get off the drugs soggy. Assange is charged with treason and rape, not journalism. Gillard got kicked-out by Rudd and Pauline has never been PM.
As for Vic, he is understandably listless and looking for cheap points in an attempt to justify his 'life of woe';
indo-dreaming wrote:As for Julian Assange you guys are dreaming if you think he is a journalist, if he is so innocent he would have no issue facing the music in the USA, but the reality is he is a very serious criminal with at least 18 charges against him including espionage, conspiracy to commit espionage, theft or conversion of property belonging to the United States government, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and general conspiracy.
And worst still when younger he had already been charged with similar things in Australia, so he really has no excuse, so should get no free pass at all.
Well after listening to Nilz Melzer, the UN Special Rapoeteur on Torture; Human rights Chair. Glasgow University; Vice President IIHL, Geneva Academy; Professor of International Law, explain how and why Julian Assange is innocent and that all charges that currently stand should be dropped as he received documents from an anonymous source and published them, that’s called journalism ID. , all this happening outside of the US, also not a US Citizen. The documents that revealed US war crimes.
If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.
Cockee……. I think you’re missing a “H” and a “D”. Take those two letters and see what you can do with your handle mate. Like a word jumble. Should keep you busy for a bit.
Edit: Treason you fucking goose. How can an Australian citizen be charged for treason against a country he’s not a citizen of, the USA. As for the rape, not enough evidence to even charge him!
Like I said mate, just work on the word jumble and we’ll go from there.
News flash - Soggy knows more than the international courts re Assange - the man's a genius! PS Give JA a call and I'm sure he'll engage you ASAP. PPS His wife or kid might take the call so be prepared to be on hold for a while.
Cockee wrote:News flash - Soggy knows more than the international courts re Assange - the man's a genius! PS Give JA a call and I'm sure he'll engage you ASAP. PPS His wife or kid might take the call so be prepared to be on hold for a while.
Read who provided the information I’m establishing my opinion from you goose. An expert on International Law.
How’s the word jumble going?
The only way a dog gets soggy is if the owner gives it a bath or jerks off over it - I'm guessing the latter in your case sog.
Cockee, Soggy didn't come down in the last sunshower. He is one of the more balanced on here and has a strong moral compass.
Maybe worth pondering before casting aspersions.
"Well after listening to Nilz Melzer, the UN Special Rapoeteur on Torture; Human rights Chair. Glasgow University; Vice President IIHL, Geneva Academy; Professor of International Law, explain how and why Julian Assange is innocent and that all charges that currently stand should be dropped as he received documents from an anonymous source and published them, that’s called journalism ID. , all this happening outside of the US, also not a US Citizen. The documents that revealed US war crimes.
If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about."
Good post Soggy.
Oh please get off your high horses gents - 'advocate of tyranny', 'Assange is guilty of nothing but journalism', 'Soggy has a strong moral compass', etc. When you think that you know more than those who have investigated a case for years, from the comfort of your armchair, you really can't be taken seriously. PS There is no such thing as a 'Rapoeteur'.
What exactly is Assange guilty of?
How does his actions differ from any other investigative journalism?
Serious question?
Australia diplomatically jumps up and down over free speech/ press when lecturing other countries, but cannot represent a citizen standing for these ideals.
The whole Timor Leste saga with witness K and secret trials thing is not the actions of a so called free democratic country.
Australia is on a slippery slope here....
Cockee, I got my information from the podcast “ Useful Idiots” with Matt Taibbi and Katie Harper. ( extremely credible independent journalist’s) The interview is with Nilz Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur for Torture. ( I mis-spelled it the first time) Episode was published on December 11 2021.
Melzer even states he had to overcome manufactured bias prior to starting his investigation. All of it from treason to the rape charges are bullshit. Check it out for yourself, make up your own mind. It seems you have a number of prejudices that need some work to become a useful member of society. Good luck.
andy-mac wrote:What exactly is Assange guilty of?
How does his actions differ from any other investigative journalism?
Serious question?
Australia diplomatically jumps up and down over free speech/ press when lecturing other countries, but cannot represent a citizen standing for these ideals.
The whole Timor Leste saga with witness K and secret trials thing is not the actions of a so called free democratic country.
Australia is on a slippery slope here....
Oh I would say we are well and truly there Andy, that’s why I find ID’s comments so infuriating. Seems like he’d be a good dude but he seems to put his shoulder behind the oppressive and punch down on the dissenters. Scared of putting truth to power.
soggydog wrote:If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.
Says the guy that thinks there is no crime in hacking into government systems and releasing classified files to the world, putting many life's at risk.
FFS if that isn't a crime then we might as well just legalise every criminal activity, i'ts not only a crime, it's about as serious crime as you can get.
BTW. It's 2022 there is a so called expert with an opposing view to pretty much everything these days, most recent example Robert Malone pioneer, of mRNA technology and his views on the risk associate with them but you find them in every field, it doesn't mean they are right.
Like i said send him to the USA and let the court decide, i highly doubt they will say he didn't commit a crime, there's a good reason why he never did the same for other countries like China or Russia, because he would be dead long ago.
Anyway as they say "play stupid games get stupid prizes"
He did not conduct the Hack, he received the documents from the hacker who kept himself anonymous.
Listen to the podcast ID, get the full story.
soggydog wrote:He did not conduct the Hack, he received the documents from the hacker who kept himself anonymous.
Listen to the podcast ID, get the full story.
How can a fair trial in the US be guaranteed when the charges are completely trumped up.
Whatever Indo…. You do you mate.
indo-dreaming][quote wrote:BTW. its irrelevant if he hacked the files himself, or got others to do so, or others sold info to him, it's all the same deal especially with his history of serious hacking crimes.
According to international law….you are wrong. Next
It's irrelevant if he hacked the files himself, or if he paid someone else to or if he bought he files of someone else, it's all the same deal.
Its like a criminal with a history off theft getting caught selling stolen goods, and saying oh i didnt know they were stolen, i got them from a friend.
It's pretty simple did he release secret documents?
Yes...guilty...end of story
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:If you’re ok with people being able to be sued by politicians with secret money (Porter) and extradited to foreign countries on bullshit charges for journalism and or whistle blowing, thier trials suppressed and evidence presented in secret even to the defence, then you are an advocate of tyranny. It’s that simple.
Any way you try and spin it is absolute bullshit and you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.Says the guy that thinks there is no crime in hacking into government systems and releasing classified files to the world, putting many life's at risk.
FFS if that isn't a crime then we might as well just legalise every criminal activity, i'ts not only a crime, it's about as serious crime as you can get.
BTW. It's 2022 there is a so called expert with an opposing view to pretty much everything these days, most recent example Robert Malone pioneer, of mRNA technology and his views on the risk associate with them but you find them in every field, it doesn't mean they are right.
Like i said send him to the USA and let the court decide, i highly doubt they will say he didn't commit a crime, there's a good reason why he never did the same for other countries like China or Russia, because he would be dead long ago.
Anyway as they say "play stupid games get stupid prizes"
My understanding is that Assange received information that had been hacked, he did not do the hacking. That is what journalists do, should do. He exposed crimes, some graphically exposed by video.
Are you ok with war crimes such as this being covered up and whistle blowers being prosecuted? Because that seems what you are advocating.
He initially worked with journalists from major media organisations and it was shown that he never put any lives at risk and had names redacted etc
Yes if he exposed China / Russia he may be in worse situation, but these examples are hardly countries you wish to hold up as free speech rule of law examples.
If Assange does eventually face a court in the USA, I would wager it will not be a open trial. More like a trial he would be facing if in China or Russia...
indo-dreaming wrote:It's irrelevant if he hacked the files himself, or if he paid someone else to or if he bought he files of someone else, it's all the same deal.
Its like a criminal with a history off theft getting caught selling stolen goods, and saying oh i didnt know they were stolen, i got them from a friend.
It's pretty simple did he release secret documents?
Yes...guilty...end of story
So what you are saying here is that it's ok, even lawful for the State to commit crimes. But if these crimes are exposed, the person responsible for the exposure is the criminal.
Got ya...
Think you may need to change your PDI picture to Suharto's Golkar.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ll put one last question to you Indo, given that you think Assange should face the music for whatever trumped up charges are layered against him. The Hacked US documents revealed US war crimes ( don’t miss this very important fact. Their own documents revealed their own war crimes), Who should face the music for that, when are they going to face a court, do you even know thier names?
You are baying for the blood of a Journalist in support of imperialistic war criminals. Forget Assange this is about the defence of the fourth estate.
I’m out gents, surf beckons.
ID, your take on Assange is pretty ridiculous. He essentially created an encryption system where people can blow the whistle on criminals with anonymity.
It's pretty bloody obvious the US government does not want videos of their soldiers murdering innocent civilians floating around the general public, This is why they've gone after Assange so hard. He needs to be punished and others need to be warned not to do the same.
BTW, why does it not shock me you respect that poor white trash Hanson? Not really a surprise given how much you hate ANTIFA and the BLM movement. Some might be making a few assumptions champ.
Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway.
indo-dreaming wrote:Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway.
Yep, war is the crime ..
Hopefully one day humanity will evolve out of the need to kill each other..
indo-dreaming wrote:Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway.
Just another shit take from you ID.
Did you see any of the footage leaked via the Wikileaks platform?
The most devastating clip involved about a dozen people (innocent civilians) standing around a truck, a voice can be heard saying "yep light em up". Then you see all of them murdered from a long rang strike.
But hey, according to you it's Assange who is the problem and you think the concept of war crimes is ridiculous.
Indo "Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway."
Remember those ridiculous Nuremberg Trials.
Each to their own.
adam12 wrote:Indo "Each to their own but personally I've always found the whole concept of war crimes and rules of war ridiculous anyway."
Remember those ridiculous Nuremberg Trials.
Each to their own.
Oh and when some mad ISIS bastards chops off the head of some poor journalist or aid worker, that's all cool, normal, and fair game for ID.
What I think ID means is war crimes by his side is fine, but if others do it that's bad.
@VL
It's called war, the aim is to kill and defeat the other side, i get why there is so called rules of war, but it is also silly at the same time and kind of a contradiction, most enemies the west fights against or one day might come up against wouldn't care for rules of war anyway.
Its why they say "all's fair in love and war"
I do respect military though like Israel that do things like give warning before a missile attack on a building rather than Palestine who just shoot missiles aimlessly into civilian areas.
The irony of Assange hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy (a country with a storied history of corruption and human rights abuses) appears lost on the likes of Vic, andy and sog.
I’m going to give you the benefit of me thinking that no one could be that much of a dickhead Indo and see it for what your comments probably (I hope) are, a bit of Sunday recreational trolling.
soggydog wrote:I’m going to give you the benefit of me thinking that no one could be that much of a dickhead Indo and see it for what your comments probably (I hope) are, a bit of Sunday recreational trolling.
Say's the guy who thinks it's okay to hack into secret government files and release them to the world, you probably think he deserves an award too or something stupid.
You far lefties really do my head in, it's like you live in this alternative universe without logic, reason and common sense.
Oh and double standards always double standards.
“... it's like you live in this alternative universe without logic, reason and common sense”.
@info is having a day out proving yet again he lacks all sense of self reflection, irony or nuance.
The pea-brained far right brain farting recalcitrant that attempts on a daily basis to out stoooopid himself.
Today’s contributions (????) further insults the intelligence.
So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.
Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Doubt that VL would agree GS as VL would be first cab off the swellnet rank.
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:I’m going to give you the benefit of me thinking that no one could be that much of a dickhead Indo and see it for what your comments probably (I hope) are, a bit of Sunday recreational trolling.
Say's the guy who thinks it's okay to hack into secret government files and release them to the world, you probably think he deserves an award too or something stupid.
You far lefties really do my head in, it's like you live in this alternative universe without logic, reason and common sense.
Oh and double standards always double standards.
Listen to the Episode I referenced above Indo and then we’ll talk, I do not have double standards.
It’s about the protection of the press when exposing the truth. The Assange fiasco is nothing more than the US flexing their muscles because somebody said something they didn’t like and exposed them to be killing innocent people. Like VL said. It’s a message.
Nah fuck it Indo, I’m in a good mood and I’m just about to head out for a second surf.
You’ve been provided numerous reasons and avenues of investigation to support the argument that what myself and VL are saying yet you still stick to your fascist bully boy mentality. Would you pull the trigger yourself Indo or just happy to sit at home and wave the flag?
No double standard either. But strong humanitarian standards, yes.
“The Assange fiasco is nothing more than the US flexing their muscles because somebody said something they didn’t like and exposed them to be killing innocent people....”
It’s also about Assange being a citizen of a subservient arse licking country to the US that hasn’t got the balls to say to the yanks fuck off he’s ours and he has rights.
Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.
That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
You really are a flaming nong Indo.
GuySmiley wrote:Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Id much rather Swellnet get rid of fucking trolls like you that add zero to the conversation, but just snipe in with the same lame one liners again and again.
indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
It depends on who's at war, it can often be both sides that don't care about the rules of war, and there is also 100 shades of grey, its impossible even for a country like the USA do not take out civilians in air strikes etc no matter how much they try not too especially when the other side is actually using civilians as a shield.
A great example of this is Hamas that use civilians to shield themselves, Israel does their best to not take out civilians and even gives them time to get people off site, but it's still likely there is casualties.
indo-dreaming wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Id much rather Swellnet get rid of fucking trolls like you that add zero to the conversation, but just snipe in with the same lame one liners again and again.
You truly are delusional if you think you “add” to a conversation you pillock, today’s “contribution” a case in point.
indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
It depends on who's at war, it can often be both sides that don't care about the rules of war, and there is also 100 shades of grey, its impossible even for a country like the USA do not take out civilians in air strikes etc no matter how much they try not too especially when the other side is actually using civilians as a shield.
A great example of this is Hamas that use civilians to shield themselves, Israel does their best to not take out civilians and even gives them time to get people off site, but it's still likely there is casualties.
That's hilarious ID. This conversation started with your anti-Assange post, and now you're saying the USA and Israel really try hard to avoid civilian casualties. What a fucking joke. Assange created a platform that allowed a whistle blower to show that the USA didn't try to avoid civilian casualties at all.
You've just got the shits with Assange because he exposed your "good guys at war" theory to be complete and utter crap.
And yes, some Australian troops also committed murder in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you want the journos who exposed those crimes locked up as well?
You really haven't thought this through have you champ.
GuySmiley wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Hey VL, what do you reckon? SN introduce a mercy rule, show enough stupidity and you get timed out for a week or three. Mmmm ..... info free forums
Id much rather Swellnet get rid of fucking trolls like you that add zero to the conversation, but just snipe in with the same lame one liners again and again.
You truly are delusional if you think you “add” to a conversation you pillock, today’s “contribution” a case in point.
It's pretty clear that you are extremely narrow minded and believe the only views that should be voiced are the ones you believe in, which is basically whatever was printed in the Guardian yesterday.
Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:So when the planes hit the twin towers ID, killing 3000 innocent civilians, did you say "It's all fair in love and war" or did you want the thugs pulling the string of the hijackers brought to justice?
This sure as shit looks like you accept our boys killing innocent civilians while holding others to an entirely different set of standards.That's the whole point rules of war are kind of pointless, one side generally doesn't abide by them do they, because it's not some game its war.
One side? Which side would that be then ID?
I'm genuinely intrigued about where you are going with this topic.
It depends on who's at war, it can often be both sides that don't care about the rules of war, and there is also 100 shades of grey, its impossible even for a country like the USA do not take out civilians in air strikes etc no matter how much they try not too especially when the other side is actually using civilians as a shield.
A great example of this is Hamas that use civilians to shield themselves, Israel does their best to not take out civilians and even gives them time to get people off site, but it's still likely there is casualties.
That's hilarious ID. This conversation started with your anti-Assange post, and now you're saying the USA and Israel really try hard to avoid civilian casualties. What a fucking joke. Assange created a platform that allowed a whistle blower to show that the USA didn't try to avoid civilian casualties at all.
You've just got the shits with Assange because he exposed your "good guys at war" theory to be complete and utter crap.
And yes, some Australian troops also committed murder in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you want the journos who exposed those crimes locked up as well?
You really haven't thought this through have you champ.
There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else.
I dont have the shits with Assange, i just think he deserve's everything that he gets and hope to see him face courts in the USA, because he is a criminal that has broken some very serious laws, and i honestly cant understand how others can think otherwise.
BTW. Just for the record for anyone reading thinking my views on Assange are typical of conservatives, they aren't really, i think it's a moderate conservative view, but more right wing conservative views are in favour of Assange, even in a recent interview with Candace with Trump she was drilling him on why he didn't pardon him, from memory he didnt give a real straight answer, more just there is a lot you dont know type of thing and basically that there is two sides to it and that you cant just go hacking into government files and exposing them to the world putting people in danger etc and expect to get off Scott free.
GuySmiley wrote:It’s also about Assange being a citizen of a subservient arse licking country to the US that hasn’t got the balls to say to the yanks fuck off he’s ours and he has rights.
Spot on.
"There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else."
Oh my ID, you really are clueless about how these things work.
The reason why you hear about the rogue soldiers isn't because the military are keen to prosecute their own. You hear about the rogue soldiers who murder innocent civilians because of people like Assange, brave whistleblowers and the media. did you see how long the SAS shitshow went on before we actually found out about the civilian murders?
What's painfully fucking obvious to everyone except people like you is our military does have rogue soldiers, our normal soldiers can't or won't blow the whistle on them, and our really brave soldiers go through the media and Wikileaks to expose war crimes. They often pay a very high price for exposing the uncomfortable truth. You'd like to lock them up, I reckon they deserve a medal and they play an important role in keeping our soldiers accountable.
I still reckon the main reason why you hate Assange soooooooo much is because he made you look at really uncomfortable things that completely clashed with your world view.
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