2022 Election
"It's a pity we don't follow the positive aspects of Scandinavian model. "
As I keep saying, I really hope we keep moving towards something resembling a multi-party system :)
"Labor is preferable to the LNP, no doubt - ICAC, Indigenous voice, "progressive causes" etc.
Great stuff."
Careful what you wish for. As a shining example I bring you - tadaah - Ardern's NZ! A country split down the middle and going down the gurgler.
One thing is spouting all the rhetoric du jour, another is actually being a capable government.
AndyM wrote:"It's a pity we don't follow the positive aspects of Scandinavian model. "
As I keep saying, I really hope we keep moving towards something resembling a multi-party system :)
But sometimes it feels we are just debating seating plan on the Titanic....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/19/as-resistance-grow...
Island Bay wrote:"Labor is preferable to the LNP, no doubt - ICAC, Indigenous voice, "progressive causes" etc.
Great stuff."Careful what you wish for. As a shining example I bring you - tadaah - Ardern's NZ! A country split down the middle and going down the gurgler.
One thing is spouting all the rhetoric du jour, another is actually being a capable government.
100% her and her party has fallen behind in polls, because end of the day you can only distract people for so long with side issues and fake empathy, if you can't do the important things right you eventually get found out.
Same will happen here in Australia, the question is more how many terms it will take?
The way the leftovers are performing the new LNP PM hasn’t been born yet
"... if you can't do the important things right you eventually get found out."
You mean like the Coalition just were? With all its faults, and there are many, our version of democracy only works when there is competition between the parties and a relatively regular turn over of power. If not, complacency, greed and incompetency reign, as we have just observed. Let's see how it goes, you get another chance to have a say in 3 years time.
Supafreak wrote:The way the leftovers are performing the new LNP PM hasn’t been born yet
Haha that is so true..... Wait until ICAC gets going, they may no longer have a party.... Scotty and Angus could share a cell... :)
From Guardian.
"Australia signs economic pledge with Indonesia
Australia and Indonesia have pledged to increase economic cooperation ahead of a G20 finance ministers meeting, AAP reports.
The treasurer, Jim Chalmers, met with the Indonesian finance minister, Mulyani Indrawati, in Canberra on Monday to sign the memorandum of understanding.
The agreement will facilitate the exchange of departmental officials from both nations, with dialogue and cooperation to focus on areas such as tax policy and financial regulation."
Great to see a proper Australian government again engaging in a purposeful way with Indonesia. Mulyani Indrawati is a class act.
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:AndyM wrote:“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
Be interesting to know why lambie is speaking up now ? Admits she voted for it but didn’t say anything until labor came to power , that seems a bit strange . Most doubt Labor will go ahead with it in 2024 , it will be an election issue for sure .
Lambie is really just a populist looking for attention. If she voted for it at the time, why is she speaking up now. Hypocrite? Just join LNP Jacqui....
didn't labor vote for them at the time too?
what will labor be when (if) they finally pipe up against them?
...populist?
...wishy washy flip floppers, unable to keep their promises? (murdoch press)
...or, ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)
AndyM wrote:...It might even be worthwhile going over what neoliberalism actually is.
"Common to all definitions of neoliberalism is its affirmation of the superior effi
cacy of self-regulated or ‘free’ markets over government intervention.
Policy positions following from this stance include privatisation and a more general reduction of public provision, a preference for reduction of taxation and public expenditure, the elevation of inflation targeting over full employment and a restriction of government regulation.
Class-based analyses of neoliberalism focus on policies that privilege the interests of capital by reducing trade union power, increasing the degree of employer prerogative, eradicating the commons and resisting or removing accountability measures that might otherwise allow scrutiny of the decisions of those holding executive management positions.
Neoliberalisation in its implementation is an anti-democratic project.
It is an agenda to depoliticise politics, placing policy in the hands of technical experts or the hidden hand of the market and beyond the scrutiny of public debate."
good definition...
excellent definition... considering institutions like the IMF were denying its very existence less than 10 years ago...
many like to talk of incremental change... and that we cannot upturn the current accepted MO... i call bullshit!
the experience of average joe and the privatisation of things like power and water has been disasterous
yeh, there may have been gains in efficiency initially... but 20 years or so in, those savings most definitely are not filtering down to joe..
quite the opposite
and often those savings are now going to some of te richest corporate dogs on the planet... not even australian corporate dogs!
...as consumers just get shafted more and more... to the point of it now being so blatent, greedy and gratuitous, the only surprising thing is why consumers aren't tearing shit apart due to lack of representation by our leaders... the gas situation being a prime exampke
incremebtal...
gentle boat rocking...
yeh nah, the political (and moral) ground is ripe for the taking...
labor just need to show some balls
(instead of attacking their former voters who worked hard, got lucky, or just got smart, within the corrupted system they were dealt... 'the big end of town' ... pfffffff ...their cluelessness is truly astounding)
andy-mac wrote:From Guardian.
"Australia signs economic pledge with Indonesia
Australia and Indonesia have pledged to increase economic cooperation ahead of a G20 finance ministers meeting, AAP reports.The treasurer, Jim Chalmers, met with the Indonesian finance minister, Mulyani Indrawati, in Canberra on Monday to sign the memorandum of understanding.
The agreement will facilitate the exchange of departmental officials from both nations, with dialogue and cooperation to focus on areas such as tax policy and financial regulation."
Great to see a proper Australian government again engaging in a purposeful way with Indonesia. Mulyani Indrawati is a class act.
I wouldn't get too excited...
"The agreement will facilitate the exchange of departmental officials from both nations, with dialogue and cooperation to focus on areas such as tax policy and financial regulation."
the translation of that isn't as appealing as it sounds
sypkan wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:AndyM wrote:“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
Be interesting to know why lambie is speaking up now ? Admits she voted for it but didn’t say anything until labor came to power , that seems a bit strange . Most doubt Labor will go ahead with it in 2024 , it will be an election issue for sure .
Lambie is really just a populist looking for attention. If she voted for it at the time, why is she speaking up now. Hypocrite? Just join LNP Jacqui....
didn't labor vote for them at the time too?
what will labor be when (if) they finally pipe up against them?
...populist?
...wishy washy flip floppers, unable to keep their promises? (murdoch press)
...or, ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)
Labor would not be in government if they opposed them. The LNP tried to wedge them by putting lower income tax cuts together with higher income in same legislation. They opposed the higher end at the time but let the legislation through. If opposed Murdoch Morrison and every other man and his dog would have been screaming Labor are high taxing blah blah blah de farking blah until election and we would be now throwing up in our mouths as Morrison carries on in England tugging his forelock.
Great to be ideological in politics, but got to be in government to make real change and that required compromise, not screaming from outside. Saying that if Labor do let the tax legislation through as is I will be in the below category.
.. ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)[/quote
sypkan wrote:andy-mac wrote:From Guardian.
"Australia signs economic pledge with Indonesia
Australia and Indonesia have pledged to increase economic cooperation ahead of a G20 finance ministers meeting, AAP reports.The treasurer, Jim Chalmers, met with the Indonesian finance minister, Mulyani Indrawati, in Canberra on Monday to sign the memorandum of understanding.
The agreement will facilitate the exchange of departmental officials from both nations, with dialogue and cooperation to focus on areas such as tax policy and financial regulation."
Great to see a proper Australian government again engaging in a purposeful way with Indonesia. Mulyani Indrawati is a class act.
I wouldn't get too excited...
"The agreement will facilitate the exchange of departmental officials from both nations, with dialogue and cooperation to focus on areas such as tax policy and financial regulation."
the translation of that isn't as appealing as it sounds
At least we are talking and engaging... That is a start!
Supafreak wrote:The way the leftovers are performing the new LNP PM hasn’t been born yet
Mate if complete arse hat clowns like Albo or Biden can get voted into power then literally anyone with a pulse can get voted in, the bar has never been set lower.
andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:AndyM wrote:“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
Be interesting to know why lambie is speaking up now ? Admits she voted for it but didn’t say anything until labor came to power , that seems a bit strange . Most doubt Labor will go ahead with it in 2024 , it will be an election issue for sure .
Lambie is really just a populist looking for attention. If she voted for it at the time, why is she speaking up now. Hypocrite? Just join LNP Jacqui....
didn't labor vote for them at the time too?
what will labor be when (if) they finally pipe up against them?
...populist?
...wishy washy flip floppers, unable to keep their promises? (murdoch press)
...or, ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)
Labor would not be in government if they opposed them. The LNP tried to wedge them by putting lower income tax cuts together with higher income in same legislation. They opposed the higher end at the time but let the legislation through. If opposed Murdoch Morrison and every other man and his dog would have been screaming Labor are high taxing blah blah blah de farking blah until election and we would be now throwing up in our mouths as Morrison carries on in England tugging his forelock.
Great to be ideological in politics, but got to be in government to make real change and that required compromise, not screaming from outside. Saying that if Labor do let the tax legislation through as is I will be in the below category.
.. ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)[/quote
I agree...
but labor saying they still support them now - with some conviction - is setting themselves up for a soundbite nightmare later...
that's assuming they change their position - pressure is building!
they are now wedgey-ing themselves, trying to be too smart
Couple more to add to your list Indo: Morrison, Abbott, Trump, Boris… no bigger arse hats going around than them.
"At least we are talking and engaging... That is a start!"
whilst I agree re. other countries... significantly so... I'd argue the current chalmers shuffle is just a continuation of what morrison's government were doing... working towards a free trade agreement I guess... but morrison and co. had already made significant developements around visas and stuff
much overdue developements around visas... before corona shut shit down...
re. 'stuff', significant data sharing capacities between indo banks and institutions...
be alert but not alarmed mum and dad investors!
meanwhile... big business just hired another legion of lawyers and tax consultants...
jimmy looking after the little guy
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:The way the leftovers are performing the new LNP PM hasn’t been born yet
Mate if complete arse hat clowns like Albo or Biden can get voted into power then literally anyone with a pulse can get voted in, the bar has never been set lower.
And then there’s the dynamic duos 
It's alright Indo, you can rock yourself to sleep thinking about Angus Taylor.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:The way the leftovers are performing the new LNP PM hasn’t been born yet
Mate if complete arse hat clowns like Albo or Biden can get voted into power then literally anyone with a pulse can get voted in, the bar has never been set lower.
Comedy gold!!!!!
sypkan wrote:andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:AndyM wrote:“Jacqui Lambie has accused Labor of betraying its values by proceeding with the planned stage three tax cuts while refusing to lift the JobSeeker payment, and urged “lazy voters” to blow up the major party system by deliberately voting against sitting MPs.”
Lambie telling it how it is.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-shames-labor-over-tax-...
Be interesting to know why lambie is speaking up now ? Admits she voted for it but didn’t say anything until labor came to power , that seems a bit strange . Most doubt Labor will go ahead with it in 2024 , it will be an election issue for sure .
Lambie is really just a populist looking for attention. If she voted for it at the time, why is she speaking up now. Hypocrite? Just join LNP Jacqui....
didn't labor vote for them at the time too?
what will labor be when (if) they finally pipe up against them?
...populist?
...wishy washy flip floppers, unable to keep their promises? (murdoch press)
...or, ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)
Labor would not be in government if they opposed them. The LNP tried to wedge them by putting lower income tax cuts together with higher income in same legislation. They opposed the higher end at the time but let the legislation through. If opposed Murdoch Morrison and every other man and his dog would have been screaming Labor are high taxing blah blah blah de farking blah until election and we would be now throwing up in our mouths as Morrison carries on in England tugging his forelock.
Great to be ideological in politics, but got to be in government to make real change and that required compromise, not screaming from outside. Saying that if Labor do let the tax legislation through as is I will be in the below category.
.. ideogically lacking pathetic morons, with no moral compass and a (new) populist bent? (me)[/quoteI agree...
but labor saying they still support them now - with some conviction - is setting themselves up for a soundbite nightmare later...
that's assuming they change their position - pressure is building!
they are now wedgey-ing themselves, trying to be too smart
But are they saying that with conviction. I thought more that no change of plans as to what they said at election. You could be right and they are over cooking it. But maybe they will come out in 12 months time and say we have listened to the people and will modify or drop tax. Then gain the political capital??? Dunno, have to wait and see ....
the usual deer in the headlights conviction from albo...
but he did explicitly say they would support them
seemed very non negotiable, explicitly stated, deer in headlights..
soundbite gold
sypkan wrote:the usual deer in the headlights conviction from albo...
but he did explicitly say they would support them
seemed very non negotiable, explicitly stated, deer in headlights..
soundbite gold
Time will tell. .....
Really good comment AndyM on neoliberal capitalism, very accurate I think.
What I've found interesting (and dumbfounding) is my experience of doing a degree in economics vs reality.
In studying economics one gets a very balanced and moderate - a sensible - picture of things like the role and failures of markets, the role and size of government, policies for protecting the environment, labour market regulation, competition policy, privatisation, taxation, globalisation, etc. Not all economics graduates are neoliberalists!
Aus was once fairly aligned with this balanced, sensible picture, but long since drifted away from it. The US is a well out there pathological basket case. A lot of the nordic model countries cluster around being very sensible.
Why is Aus going this direction? There seems to be other forces at work than economic common sense and sanity, and a desire for balanced and fair outcomes for all. I always thought the Labor party is supposed to be the one that pulls things back to the centre, but yes politics doesn't seem to work like that anymore...
Another area that has fascinated me is the environment and climate change. There's lots of economic approaches that can be used, but many seem to get shot down and slaughtered. I've even seen it argued that things like an emissions trading scheme are "licences" to pollute...this is completely backwards thinking...
“Why is Aus going this direction?”
Well Australia’s been, shall we say, “strongly encouraged to” for the past 50-odd years.
Obviously the forces of globalised neoliberalism are immensely strong and quite ruthless.
They intended to become hegemonic and they are.
Most people don’t really question where we’re at, to the extent that a centre-right party with socially progressive efforts is seen as left of centre.
That’s the power of hegemony.
Having said that, the old days of the simple Left-Right political spectrum appear to be behind us and now we need to navigate more complex political and ideological definitions.
I wonder if the murdoch press will pick this story up ? Might still be too busy with QE2 ……….. Scott Morrison’s secretive cabinet committee of one had hundreds of meetings, FOI documents suggest. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/21/scott-morrisons-s...
Secrets and allies: Tribunal jobs raise questions about transparency and cronyism https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/secrets-and-allies-tribunal-jobs...
Supafreak wrote:Secrets and allies: Tribunal jobs raise questions about transparency and cronyism https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/secrets-and-allies-tribunal-jobs...
Just read that, astounding.
“…an independent legal tribunal should not be a retirement village for Liberal mates.”
Supafreak wrote:Secrets and allies: Tribunal jobs raise questions about transparency and cronyism https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/secrets-and-allies-tribunal-jobs...
Not surprised, seems to be waft of corruption with everything LNP touch. Think major purge of LNP appointments needs to happen. ICAC cannot get going soon enough.
The present GG has seemed to disgrace the office. Sad ....
This could be entertaining , not sure how much longer boof head can hang on though .
Next up on Four Corners - can the Liberals succeed under Peter Dutton? #auspol2022 #auspol pic.twitter.com/MSMFJrzbG4
— Four Corners (@4corners) September 23, 2022
Supafreak wrote:This could be entertaining , not sure how much longer boof head can hang on though . https://twitter.com/4corners/status/1573116503288840193?s=46&t=5pvrYNoSv...
https://m.
&t=391sLet's not forget this......
Supafreak wrote:This could be entertaining , not sure how much longer boof head can hang on though . https://twitter.com/4corners/status/1573116503288840193?s=46&t=5pvrYNoSv...
As Albo said, I wish him a long career as leader of opposition.... PM yeah nah....
Jane Hume tells #Insiders that she has serious concerns that Labor’s Fed ICAC will cause politicians to
— stranger (@strangerous10) September 24, 2022
“take their own lives”
Wonder if she also shares same concerns for any crook out there who may be found guilty? Or only her crooked work friends? 😒
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1573822532062351360?s=46&t=-kom...
Cannot remember her expressing concerns with Robodebt suicides???
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1573822532062351360?s=46&t=-kom...
Cannot remember her expressing concerns with Robodebt suicides???
She also states that now that LNP is no longer in government that they don’t have any policies.
I like to hear him say bigus dickus
There were some lovely tributes to the Queen in parliament this week but we couldn't help but notice Peter Dutton's Latin pronunciation might need some work #Insiders #auspol pic.twitter.com/8p3VThzIk1
— Insiders ABC (@InsidersABC) September 25, 2022
Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1573822532062351360?s=46&t=-kom...
Cannot remember her expressing concerns with Robodebt suicides???
She also states that now that LNP is no longer in government that they don’t have any policies.
They had no policies* when in government, so no surprise there!!
* Except funneling money to their donors mates.....
Supafreak wrote:I like to hear him say bigus dickus https://twitter.com/insidersabc/status/1573824609279000581?s=46&t=-kom8R...
https://m.
Probably funniest movie ever made!
I think morriscum is going to be fairly busy for the next few years between the robo debt royal commission and ICAC . He’s only just sitting around collecting tax payers dollars and doing a few speeches here and there so he’s got the time . https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/27/federal-community...
From Guardian:
"Angus Taylor wants to see details of federal anti-corruption body legislation
Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor is speaking to ABC TV. He’s talking about the coalition’s “alternative economic agenda”, but he’s asked first about the anticorruption legislation. He says:
We support introduction of the legislation but it has to be right. The detail has to be right. I haven’t seen the detail of the legislation yet. We don’t want to see show trials and we have seen in the past there can be dire consequences if you get this wrong. We have seen suicides and very unfortunate outcomes. It is important that this be the right legislation, done the right way."
Fark off, if he is happy with ICAC it will be as weak as piss as he would be one of the first cabs off the rank to be in front of a judge...... Jam Land, Cayman Islands, Clover Moore..... FFS I think Angus may be stressing!!!
Beggars belief how Taylor and Joyce didn’t bring the whole government down at the time let alone politically survive (thrive?) given the watergate scandal.
If he is (they) ever made to appear in front of a fed icac i hope it’s in a town hall public invite held in Griffith.
Dont forget to fill up with fuel today before prices rise again after airbus Albo puts the fuel excise tax back on tonight.
Labor and Albo fulfilling their promise of helping Australians deal with rising living cost just as promised.
Not!
indo-dreaming wrote:Dont forget to fill up with fuel today before prices rise again after airbus Albo puts the fuel excise tax back on tonight.
Labor and Albo fulfilling their promise of helping Australians deal with rising living cost just as promised.
Not!
Yeah right haha, you didn't get woke in there with Airbus Albo.... Clutching at straws there. Remember the LNP don't have policies or a position as they are in opposition. Not much difference really from when were in government....
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bonza wrote:Beggars belief how Taylor and Joyce didn’t bring the whole government down at the time let alone politically survive (thrive?) given the watergate scandal.
If he is (they) ever made to appear in front of a fed icac i hope it’s in a town hall public invite held in Griffith.
If ICAC investigate Watergate, they could be off to jail .... In a fair world if the same rules applied to them as you or I.
I want to see these fuckers strung up.
Andy-mac, that interview is an absolute shambles. What a joke.
So far, the only tax reform the government has committed to is making sure multinational corporations pay a fairer share of tax. https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2022/09/27/consumer-confidence-highes...
indo-dreaming wrote:Dont forget to fill up with fuel today before prices rise again after airbus Albo puts the fuel excise tax back on tonight.
Labor and Albo fulfilling their promise of helping Australians deal with rising living cost just as promised.
Not!
OMG must fill up the RAM today.
How will I ever be able to run it without the subsidy of the good old Aussie taxpayer?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-13/fact-check-is-the-coalition-austr... Jim Chalmers says the two highest-taxing governments of the past 30 years have been Coalition governments. Is that correct?
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