2022 Election

blindboy's picture
blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

.

indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 4:42pm

God i wish woke was done.

Woke will never be done, not in the social media driven world we now live in because everyone wants to out do each other on anything and everything or silence the views of those they oppose (cancel culture)

Woke is about individuals (and organisations) wanting to be perceived in a certain way, a way of hey look at me I'm such a good person and role model, im so progressive that i believe in...insert whatever wokeness you want, I'm better than you because of my views and your a bad and lesser person if you don't agree with me.

This whole merry go round of trying to be perceived in a certain way above others sure isn't going away.

Wokeness has nothing to do with the right, most people with common sense call out the ridiculousness of wokeness.

bonza's picture
bonza's picture
bonza Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 4:45pm

I get triggered when i hear the word "triggered"

adam12's picture
adam12's picture
adam12 Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 6:08pm

Indo "Wokeness has nothing to do with the right"
Maybe not, but it is their over use of the term that devalues it. Like you calling Victorian voters "woke" for preferring Andrews as Premier. Have you had a good look at the Vic. Opposition?

I focus's picture
I focus's picture
I focus Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 6:13pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

God i wish woke was done.

Woke will never be done, not in the social media driven world we now live in because everyone wants to out do each other on anything and everything or silence the views of those they oppose (cancel culture)

Woke is about individuals (and organisations) wanting to be perceived in a certain way, a way of hey look at me I'm such a good person and role model, im so progressive that i believe in...insert whatever wokeness you want, I'm better than you because of my views and your a bad and lesser person if you don't agree with me.

This whole merry go round of trying to be perceived in a certain way above others sure isn't going away.

Wokeness has nothing to do with the right, most people with common sense call out the ridiculousness of wokeness.

Woke definition "alert to injustice in society, especially racism"

Out of interest Indo (not having a go...yet) what is the meaning of "woke" to you?

BTW hope the Indo trip went well for you and family.

indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 7:16pm
I focus wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

God i wish woke was done.

Woke will never be done, not in the social media driven world we now live in because everyone wants to out do each other on anything and everything or silence the views of those they oppose (cancel culture)

Woke is about individuals (and organisations) wanting to be perceived in a certain way, a way of hey look at me I'm such a good person and role model, im so progressive that i believe in...insert whatever wokeness you want, I'm better than you because of my views and your a bad and lesser person if you don't agree with me.

This whole merry go round of trying to be perceived in a certain way above others sure isn't going away.

Wokeness has nothing to do with the right, most people with common sense call out the ridiculousness of wokeness.

Woke definition "alert to injustice in society, especially racism"

Out of interest Indo (not having a go...yet) what is the meaning of "woke" to you?

BTW hope the Indo trip went well for you and family.

Firstly thanks, yeah had a good trip got some good wave too.

Yeah sure that's where the term Woke started the original meaning to be awake, but thats not what it means now, well not to a lot of people, just like the word gay is rarely used to mean happy anymore, sure it still means happy to some but its now evolved to be happy with the same sex.

Like many things words and meanings can evolve and change, i think the meaning of wok and wokeism has evolved quickly and spiralled out of control because of the competitive aspect of needing to out progressive each other for social prestige (see my previous post)

Take something like gender for instance, most people will agree okay maybe the word sex doesn't define things totally, most can accept we can use the word gender too describe the non biological aspect and that some people may identify as the other sex so we use gender instead.

But the woke extreme is to go, well that's not enough we need to go further, and we have things like gender fluidity, pangender etc and well an every growing list of genders and it seems they might have more to discover as it seems this list below is only up to O?

This extremeness and well craziness that lets face it is like a movement is called wokeness, most sane people would just say enough is enough and call bullshit, but below is a good example of wokeness a medical website accepting 72 genders.

See cut and pasted below

"Besides male and female, there are 72 other genders, which include the following:

Agender: A person who does not identify themselves with or experience any gender. Agender people are also called null-gender, genderless, gendervoid, or neutral gender.

Abimegender: Associated with being profound, deep, and infinite. The term abimegender may be used alone or in combination with other genders.

Adamas gender: A gender that is indefinable or indomitable. People identifying with this gender refuse to be categorized in any particular gender identity.

Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings.

Aesthetigender: Also called aesthetgender, it is a type of gender identity derived from aesthetics.

Affectugender: This is based on the person’s mood swings or fluctuations.

Agenderflux: A person with this gender identity is mostly agender with brief shifts of belonging to other gender types.

Alexigender: The person has a fluid gender identity between more than one type of gender although they cannot name the genders they feel fluid in.

Aliusgender: This gender identity stands apart from existing social gender constructs. It means having a strong specific gender identity that is neither male nor female.

Amaregender: Having a gender identity that changes depending on the person one is emotionally attached to.

Ambigender: Having two specific gender identities simultaneously without any fluidity or fluctuations.

Ambonec: The person identifies themselves as both man and woman and yet does not belong to either.

Amicagender: A gender-fluid identity where a person changes their gender depending on the friends they have.

Androgyne: A person feels a combination of feminine and masculine genders.

Anesigender: The person feels close to a specific type of gender despite being more comfortable in closely identifying themselves with another gender.

Angenital: The person desires to be without any primary sexual characteristics although they do not identify themselves as genderless.

Anogender: The gender identity fades in and out in intensity but always comes back to the same gendered feeling.

Anongender: The person has a gender identity but does not label it or would prefer to not have a label.

Antegender: A protean gender that can be anything but is formless and motionless.

Anxiegender: This gender identity has anxiety as its prominent characteristic.

Apagender: The person has apathy or a lack of feelings toward one's gender identity.

Apconsugender: It means knowing what are not the characteristics of gender but not knowing what are its characteristics. Thus, a person hides its primary characteristics from the individual.

Astergender: The person has a bright and celestial gender identity.

Astral gender: Having a gender identity that feels to be related to space.

Autigender: Having a gender identity that feels to be closely related to being autistic.

Autogender: Having a gender experience that is deeply connected and personal to oneself.

Axigender: A gender identity that is between the two extremes of agender and any other type of gender. Both the genders are experienced one at a time without any overlapping. The two genders are described as on the opposite ends of an axis.

Bigender: Having two gender identities at the same or different times.

Biogender: Having a gender that is closely related to nature.

Blurgender: Also called gender fuss, blurgender means having more than one gender identities that blur into each other so that no particular type of gender identity is clear.

Boyflux: The person identifies themselves as male, but they experience varying degrees of male identity. This may range from feeling agender to completely male.

Burstgender: Frequent bursts of intense feelings quickly move to the initial calm stage.

Caelgender: This gender identity shares the qualities or aesthetics of outer space.

Cassgender: It is associated with the feelings of considering the gender irrelevant or unimportant.

Cassflux: There is a fluctuating intensity of irrelevance toward gender.

Cavusgender: The person feels close to one gender when depressed and to another when not depressed.

Cendgender: The gender identity changes from one gender to its opposite.

Ceterogender: It is a nonbinary gender where the person has a specific masculine, feminine or neutral feelings.

Ceterofluid: Although the person is a ceterogender, their identity keeps fluctuating between different genders.

Cisgender: Being closely related to the gender assigned at birth during the entire life.

Cloudgender: The person’s gender cannot be comprehended or understood due to depersonalization and derealization disorder.

Collgender: Various genders are present at the same time in the individual.

Colorgender: In this category, colors are used to describe gender, for example, pink gender or black gender.

Commogender: The person knows that they are not cisgender yet continues to identify as one for a while.

Condigender: The person feels their gender only under specific circumstances.

Deliciagender: Associated with the feeling of having multiple genders but preferring one over the other.

Demifluid: Having multiple genders, some fluid while others are static.

Demiflux: A combination of multiple genders with some genders static, whereas others fluctuating in intensity.

Demigender: The individual has partial traits of one gender and the rest of the other gender.

Domgender: The individual has multiple genders with one dominating over the rest.

Duragender: Having more than one gender with one lasting longer than the others.

Egogender: It is a personal type of gender identified by the individual alone. It is based on the person’s experience within the self.

Epicene: It is associated with a strong feeling of not being able to relate to any of the two genders of the binary gender or both of the binary gender characteristics.

Esspigender: The individual relates their gender identity with spirits.

Exgender: The denial to identify with any gender on the gender spectrum.

Existigender: The person’s gender identity exists only when they make conscious efforts to realize it.

Femfluid: The person is fluid or fluctuating regarding the feminine genders.

Femgender: A nonbinary gender identity that is feminine.

Fluidflux: It means to be fluid between two or more genders with a fluctuation in the intensity of those genders.

Gemigender: The person has two genders that are opposite yet they flux and work together.

Genderblank: It is closely related to a blank space.

Genderflow: The gender identity is fluid between infinite feelings.

Genderfluid: The person does not consistently adhere to one fixed gender and may have many genders.

Genderfuzz: More than one gender is blurred together.

Genderflux: The gender fluctuates in intensity.

Genderpuck: The person resists to fit in societal norms concerning genders.

Genderqueer: The individual blurs the preconceived boundaries of gender in relation to the gender binary or having just one gender type.

Gender witched: The person is inclined toward the notion of having one gender but does not know which.

Girlflux: The individual identifies themselves as a female but with varying intensities of female identities.

Healgender: A gender identity that gives the person peace, calm, and positivity.

Mirrorgender: Changing one's gender type based on the people surrounding.

Omnigender: Having or experiencing all genders."

https://www.medicinenet.com/what_are_the_72_other_genders/article.htm

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 7:26pm

gender list...

pure narcicism

Im wondering, what came first?

the 72 strong gender list, or instagram?

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 7:28pm
GuySmiley wrote:

Personally when I see someone describe something or someone as woke I think to myself what a wanker. It’s an lazy way of saying I disagree but don’t have the words nor intelligence to debate you

oh the irony!

soggydog's picture
soggydog's picture
soggydog Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 7:36pm

So it has been appropriated, probably negatively at first to dismiss its original intended meaning then applied to anything that one does not agree with to easily dismiss a position without engaging in discussion. Is that it Indo.

Not having a go mate. That’s just what I have seen.

I think the gender thing is just dog whistling too. But that’s just me. I don’t think these issues are worth the time that is spent on them. Issues that “woke” can be applied to now since it’s appropriation from its original meaning are red herrings diverting attention from the real problems that face society.

Fark, I was hoping not to get involved in these retarded discussions.

Happy you had a good time in Indo. Can’t wait till I’m on my way.

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 7:56pm

Reckon you are spot on Soggydog.
The gender thing is pure dog whistling blown way out of proportion and importance.... Geez I only got into a few on that list of 72.... Crikey...
Can we get back to the corruption and incompetence of the previous govt. Geez how good is Dutton!!! Haha :)

soggydog's picture
soggydog's picture
soggydog Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:09pm
andy-mac wrote:

Reckon you are spot on Soggydog.
The gender thing is pure dog whistling blown way out of proportion and importance.... Geez I only got into a few on that list of 72.... Crikey...
Can we get back to the corruption and incompetence of the previous govt. Geez how good is Dutton!!! Haha :)

Yeah, what happened to the east coast gas crisis. Companies gouging the fuck out of us, the Biden crime family waging a proxy war in Ukraine. So many fucked up things happening and people want to debate the legitimacy of “woke” or talk about gender politics which probably effects no one here.
I think it’s a little bit by design so people don’t unite to address the issues that effect all of us. I’m going to put rage against the machine on 11 and dream about burning it all down. Who’s with me?

gsco's picture
gsco's picture
gsco Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:14pm

The medicinenet page on 72 genders is just comedy relief and taking the piss right…no one actually believes there’s 72 genders…do they…?

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:18pm

As a non-Labor voter, I was just thinking what a reasonable job Albanese's been doing with the Indigenous voice to parliament.
First, the Statement From the Heart is as good a document as could be hoped for, and after the LNP's disgraceful dismissal of it, it's time has come.
Changing the Constitution is a good step, this means that future governments can't easily brush things aside.
At the same time, it's significant that Labor intend to keep representative democracy sacrosanct by not allowing unelected bodies too much power - Labor will clearly go to great length to ensure that this will be no third chamber.

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:30pm

"...I think the gender thing is just dog whistling too. But that’s just me. I don’t think these issues are worth the time that is spent on them. Issues that “woke” can be applied to now since it’s appropriation from its original meaning are red herrings diverting attention from the real problems that face society..."

but is it?

dog whistling?

"... I don’t think these issues are worth the time that is spent on them..."

I think the vast vast majority of people agree with this

absolutely it is not worth the time

but the twitter mob have gone all rabid about these very issues, ...cancelling all sorts of non 'transphobic' potential 'allies', all the way from jk rawling to hard core feminists such as germaine greer and her supposed TERFs

it is a battle within the left as much as any supposed murdoch-esqe stoking...

it was a huge issue back in the trump v clinton election, ...with even bernie sanders coming out and saying "...people are sick and tired of hearing about people's bathrooms..." ...as he desperately tried to get 'real' issues on the table...

as I said before, much of the stuff around the election of trump should have been taken as a warning shot across the bow for the more sensible parts of the left... but it wasn't... it was taken as a full war, as the totally delusional 'resistance' and more rabid twitter mobs went full feral...

they just played right into his hands

luckily australia has managed to avoid much of this madness, but it seems our legions of guardianistas and wankers cannot help themselves too...

I would argue albo getting in was a direct result of labor desperately distancing themselves from much of this, as advised by their own inquiries into the 'unloseable' elections of the past

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:28pm
gsco wrote:

The medicinenet page on 72 genders is just comedy relief and taking the piss right…no one actually believes there’s 72 genders…do they…?

sadly, some do take it seriously

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MedicineNet

gsco's picture
gsco's picture
gsco Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:32pm

Seems that somewhere along the way society has passed me by

soggydog's picture
soggydog's picture
soggydog Monday, 1 Aug 2022 at 8:41pm

Sypkan, fuck the Twitter mob. That’s part of the problem. It should be given no oxygen and not even acknowledge as a legitimate forum of debate. Like I said. Division by design.
If only they let Bernie win the primary, imagine the what could have been.

harrycoopr's picture
harrycoopr's picture
harrycoopr Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 11:38am
sypkan][quote=gsco wrote:

The medicinenet page on 72 genders is just comedy relief and taking the piss right…no one actually believes there’s 72 genders…do
sadly, some do take it seriously

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MedicineNet

Who gives a flying fuk how many genders some people want to have? How does it affect you? What are you threatened by or so worried about?
Tag team AndyM and sipcan you guys are just grumpy old men who need something to moan about. What's more important is what andy-mac states, the sheer blatant corruption of the previous government which did fuckall governing but plenty of rorting.
Stop whining you little bitches and woke the fuck up!
(and thanks for the time and effort u put into replying earlier sipcan... didn't finish it all but twas meaningless anyway... meaningless like yr moaning)

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 11:51am

If I'm a grumpy old man with regards to having reservations about the lunatic fringe of "progressives", then I'm in real good company.

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 11:55am

its not all about you... harriet

you don't seem to get that

there's a lot you don't seem to get...

wanker

just curious, how old are you?

and which gender did you choose for your insta?

harrycoopr's picture
harrycoopr's picture
harrycoopr Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 1:53pm
sypkan wrote:

its not all about you... harriet

you don't seem to get that

there's a lot you don't seem to get...

wanker

just curious, how old are you?

and which gender did you choose for your insta?

Sweet Jezuz... is that the best yous can do? Are u two on swellnet notification alarms or something... or feverishly checking for responses every few minutes? Like I said get a fucking life and quit ya moaning. Plenty of more serious issues.
Nobody gives a shit about u both being triggered and offended by woke-ness. What are yas anyway, some pommy married gay couple , or does that also offend yr wokeness? Just two more keyboard warriors who think what they got to say is so important... borrring.

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 2:59pm

I was actually being serious... a bit...

Im curious

and, you're sounding a bit homophobic there champ, amongst other things...

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 3:03pm

Omigod Syps, he's outted us old chap.

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 3:54pm

it's ok, i was ready

he's not much of an 'ally' though, I must say...

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 4:08pm

Aggressive blighter isn't he?

And not very bright if he thinks that reducing issues to binary discussions and false dichotomies, and aggressively shutting down anything else is good for the causes he claims to support.
Such a ninny.

indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming Tuesday, 2 Aug 2022 at 4:47pm
soggydog wrote:

So it has been appropriated, probably negatively at first to dismiss its original intended meaning then applied to anything that one does not agree with to easily dismiss a position without engaging in discussion. Is that it Indo.

Not having a go mate. That’s just what I have seen.

I think the gender thing is just dog whistling too. But that’s just me. I don’t think these issues are worth the time that is spent on them. Issues that “woke” can be applied to now since it’s appropriation from its original meaning are red herrings diverting attention from the real problems that face society.

Fark, I was hoping not to get involved in these retarded discussions.

Happy you had a good time in Indo. Can’t wait till I’m on my way.

I don't think putting a label on things as woke means we avoid discussing things, but sometimes the extremes are so crazy that we just go okay its not even worth discussing, even those that lean left here im sure roll their eyes at that list of genders and cant take it seriously, thats why i used it as an example because we can all agree on the craziness of it.

I think its okay to believe in whatever you want, but once you get to a stage where you force your beliefs on others then thats a bridge too far, that is happening in some spaces like social media platforms where misgendering or any criticism of some ideological beliefs can get you banned or is viewed as hate speech.

Supafreak's picture
Supafreak's picture
Supafreak Wednesday, 3 Aug 2022 at 6:59pm

GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley Wednesday, 3 Aug 2022 at 7:31pm

Speaking at the IPA no less - whenever looking for a motive look no further then self interest. She keeps this up she’ll be keeping Hanson company in the crazy stupid corner

GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley Wednesday, 3 Aug 2022 at 7:31pm

Speaking at the IPA no less - whenever looking for a motive look no further then self interest. She keeps this up she’ll be keeping Hanson company in the crazy stupid corner

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Wednesday, 3 Aug 2022 at 7:33pm
Supafreak wrote:

https://twitter.com/lnptruthlibrary/status/1554726125292556288?s=21&t=Kz...

Fark speaking at IPA praising Murdoch.... Mmmm interesting.

soggydog's picture
soggydog's picture
soggydog Wednesday, 3 Aug 2022 at 8:18pm

I didn’t know they had comedy events presented by the IPA these days.

Rabbits68's picture
Rabbits68's picture
Rabbits68 Thursday, 4 Aug 2022 at 9:16pm

Shame on you Labor.
Shame on you Tanya Plibersek.

“Excruciating.
That’s the only word to describe the plight of local residents at Gelorup, south of Perth, as the bulldozers moved in on Monday to flatten their woodland to make way for the Bunbury Outer Ring Road.
The Gelorup corridor woodland is alive with rare and threatened species. While there are good options for the Bunbury bypass, which would equally shorten the car or truck trip from Perth to Busselton or Margaret River by fifteen minutes, there are none for the Gelorup patch of banksia, tuart trees and wildlife.
Last weekend, I flew to Bunbury to show our Foundation's support for this courageous group of community members who have been battling to save this beautiful patch of threatened, wildlife-filled woodland.

Here is a video of my speech at this weekend of community action (see below).
Besides the sight of bulldozers and escalators moving in to kill their beloved woods and waterway, the agony is so much worse because this destruction was authorised by Australia’s most powerful environmentalist, Tanya Plibersek.
At her National Press Club speech, in which she made public the latest State of the Environment Report (which the Morrison government had hidden away), the new minister spoke of her shock at reading how fragmentation of habitats and clearing of vegetation were prime causes for Australia having one of the worst extinction rates in the world. “Too much clearing of habitat has already occurred. Too many ecosystems and species are under threat,” she told the club.
“Australia is one of the world’s deforestation hotspots. Between the years 2000 and 2017, Australia cleared over 7.7 million hectares of threatened species habitat across the country. That’s an area bigger than Tasmania. Much of this clearing occurred in small increments. More than 90 per cent of it was never assessed under our environment laws. When we destroy these habitats - and when we don’t restore them elsewhere - endangered creatures lose their homes. And that has consequences.”
“… our environment is not getting the protection it needs. Which is why, in this term of government, I will be guided by three essential goals. To protect, to restore, and to manage Australia’s environment. We need to protect our environment and heritage for the future. We need to restore environments that have already been damaged.
And we need to actively manage our landscapes, oceans and waterways, and the critical places we’ve vowed to protect … that’s our agenda,” the new minister added, raising environmental hopes across the nation.
So how can it be that, with Plibersek’s signed approval, five weeks of agonising destruction of the Gelorup woodland has begun? Her approval came with conditions largely concocted by the Western Australian Labor government’s Main Roads proponents of the bypass. These include blandishments such as trees with nests of the critically-endangered possums must be gently bulldozed over in daylight hours so that the bewildered creatures can run down the trunks and be ‘shepherded’ into trees adjacent to the proposed highway. Anyone with bush knowledge knows that possums are territorial and this plan will lead to deaths. The adjacent habitat will not be vacant unless it is already in an unsurvivable, hostile condition (eg, with predators like dogs or human trappers).
The ‘shepherds’ will attach collars to the possums to allow for monitoring. But a study has found that even light collars greatly reduce the marsupials’ chance of survival. The exiled possums will be studied to death.
The Gelorup woods are also important habitat for three of Western Australia’s struggling species of Great Black Cockatoos, rare orchids and the world’s two largest mistletoes. One of the largest (8 metres round) tuart trees left after the extensive historic destruction of WA’s southwest forests will, at best, be left stranded beside the four-lane motorway. The internationally-listed rare Black-striped Minnow fish will have its important Gelorup habitat bisected by the highway.
Minister Plibersek received a rousing ovation when she told an international conference on the environment that “under the new Australian government, the environment is back – front and centre.”
So whatever possessed her to give this desecration of National Heritage the nod just a month into her ministry? And what can excuse for her stonewalling the Friends of the Gelorup Corridor who have been campaigning for two decades to have the highway rerouted across nearby cleared land. She has not responded to these good people. Not a call or letter, let alone a visit to see what could be done.
Imagine Anthony Albanese’s new Treasurer, Minister for Trade, or Minister for Resources, ignoring pleas from a corporate entity that sought their urgent attention.
Tanya Plibersek has also stonewalled us as we campaign to save the takayna / Tarkine rainforest from Chinese mining giant MMG’s proposed waste dump. The courts have given her time to reconsider her predecessor’s mistake. On the day the machines were moving in on the Gelorup forest, MMG’s machines were moving out of the Tarkine forest, under direction from Federal Court Judge Mark Moshinsky who found that Sussan Ley had got it wrong when she gave those bulldozers the green flag. Ley had failed to adequately, with active intelligence, take into account the precautionary principle which says that if you don’t know enough about the status of a threatened species (in this case the Tasmanian Masked Owl) that lack of knowledge should not go against the species.
The very same day that I was with the Gelorup residents in WA, our Foundation's staff and volunteers were overseeing the expulsion of mining giant MMG from takayna's rainforest, following our successful Federal Court case against MMG's toxic waste dump.

Tanya Plibersek is tasked with reviewing Sussan Ley’s Tarkine decision in light of new and compelling information that giant Masked Owls are resident and breeding in the targeted rainforest. As at Gelorup, there are options for MMG outside the Tarkine.
After Gelorup, many of the Tasmanian campaigners’ hopes have turned to foreboding. Is Minister Plibersek there to protect the environment or the Labor Party which has traditionally backed mining, logging and roading over environmental imperatives?
Even at this eleventh hour, so early in such a promising ministry, Tanya Plibersek has the opportunity to get back on track. There is new information about the failure of WA Main Roads to prevent death and injury to Western Ringtail Possums in its recent other road works. Her approval at Gelorup was on the condition that none of these critically endangered possums will suffer injury or mortality: that requirement cannot and will not be met. She should urgently review her decision and save their ancient Gelorup woodland habitat. Minister Plibersek should also require MMG to treat its acid wastes outside the Tarkine. In both cases, she can avoid the destruction of magnificent Australian places and wildlife because there are prudent and feasible project alternatives.
As Tanya Plibersek told the Press Club: “If we continue on the trajectory we are on, the precious places, landscapes, animals and plants that we think of when we think of home, may not be here for our kids and grandkids.”
Minister Plibersek is uniquely placed to change that trajectory. Gelorup and takayna would be the perfect places to start.
For Earth,”

– Bob Brown, Patron

Robwilliams's picture
Robwilliams's picture
Robwilliams Thursday, 4 Aug 2022 at 9:52pm

Thanks for this update rabbit
Progress at all costs in the south west by the looks get onboard and support the cause if its near and dear to you
The great sw rape and pillage crusade sadly continues
Enevetible but some what preventable with better planning and consultation but they don't have time for that do they full steam ahead as normal with little foresight shown again and again long gone Colin Barnett and his cohorts will be able to save an extra fifteen at the wineries whilst admiring the view and discussing the new road in all in the glittering glow of progress

Robwilliams's picture
Robwilliams's picture
Robwilliams Thursday, 4 Aug 2022 at 10:23pm

bob makes some strong points in regards to this development.

Rabbits68's picture
Rabbits68's picture
Rabbits68 Thursday, 4 Aug 2022 at 11:05pm
Robwilliams wrote:

bob makes some strong points in regards to this development.

Yes he sure does. Good on ya Rob for taking an interest. My beautiful, inspirational Mother who is in her late 70’s is an active member of Nannas for Native Forests & is often on the frontline (even having recently been arrested for taking part in a peaceful protest with other like minded Nannas). Go you good thing Mum!

The short sightedness & ignorance of these catastrophic decisions, when alternative, viable options are available is simply wrong. When we will we ever learn from the past. What do we truly want to leave for the future generations? Saving 15 minutes on a trip down south? FFS…

indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 8:34am
Supafreak wrote:

https://twitter.com/lnptruthlibrary/status/1554726125292556288?s=21&t=Kz...

Ha ha this is gold she is pretty much just trolling the left the whole Murdoch this and that cliché boogie man lines that the left always thrown around that you just have to roll your eyes at.

But really she owes Murdoch no other media would dare to print articles with her views on indigenous issues and the exposure has helped her get her views out there that in part has got her where she is, the ABC (who she sued) or Guardian or Crikey sure dont give her a voice.

Anyway good to see her getting attention even in left wing circles the more people who learn who she is and her views the better and i noticed her social media following has sky rocketed in the last week or two.

#Jacintaforpm

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 9:30am

Price “probably” won’t support an Indigenous voice to parliament so no wonder the Murdoch press are keen to give her coverage.

soggydog's picture
soggydog's picture
soggydog Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 9:35am
indo-dreaming wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

https://twitter.com/lnptruthlibrary/status/1554726125292556288?s=21&t=Kz...

Ha ha this is gold she is pretty much just trolling the left the whole Murdoch this and that cliché boogie man lines that the left always thrown around that you just have to roll your eyes at.

But really she owes Murdoch no other media would dare to print articles with her views on indigenous issues and the exposure has helped her get her views out there that in part has got her where she is, the ABC (who she sued) or Guardian or Crikey sure dont give her a voice.

Anyway good to see her getting attention even in left wing circles the more people who learn who she is and her views the better and i noticed her social media following has sky rocketed in the last week or two.

#Jacintaforpm

Did you watch the whole speech Indo. I don’t think it was trolling. She was paying homage to her donors. Apart from that she didn’t say anything else.

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 9:51am

she was great on q and a the other night

and not for the reasons peoole like to make miserable assumptions about me

in fact the whole panel was great, with stan grant showing he does a fantastic job at giving all voices a go

a bit slow at times, but Id go as far as saying one of the best q and a's ever... and I generally don't like it anymore...

https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2022-07-31/13977922

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 9:51am

"She was paying homage to her donors"

Totally.
She thinks a "successful" aboriginal community is one that has a bauxite mine on it.
She's a puppet for the big boys.

sypkan's picture
sypkan's picture
sypkan Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 9:57am

and, i should say, it was pretty much conflict free... because if you go watching for the usual qanda contrived setup stoushes... you'll be disappointed

garyg1412's picture
garyg1412's picture
garyg1412 Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 10:01am
Robwilliams wrote:

$46 million per km

That kind of cost comparison just goes straight over the head of most people. But when you consider the whole City Link project in Melbourne around 1996-2000 cost about $2.2 billion and included all that infrastructure, then a $1.25 billion tag for a bypass should surely be scrutinized by someone with half a brain.
It seems these large scale government funded infrastructure contracts have a common thread in that their cost consultants are fairly useless in:
a) Preparing realistic budgets up front, and
b) Controlling cost blow outs during construction

Robwilliams's picture
Robwilliams's picture
Robwilliams Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 10:29am
Rabbits68 wrote:
Robwilliams wrote:

bob makes some strong points in regards to this development.

Yes he sure does. Good on ya Rob for taking an interest. My beautiful, inspirational Mother who is in her late 70’s is an active member of Nannas for Native Forests & is often on the frontline (even having recently been arrested for taking part in a peaceful protest with other like minded Nannas). Go you good thing Mum!

The short sightedness & ignorance of these catastrophic decisions, when alternative, viable options are available is simply wrong. When we will we ever learn from the past. What do we truly want to leave for the future generations? Saving 15 minutes on a trip down south? FFS…

The grannies have seen massive change some are highly educated in their fields I admire that they often rally together and get things started through their expertise and action massive part of the community representation in getting things done or brought to light no doubt governments wish they would die out but they are resilient honest and passionate about their causes often with lived experiences and knowledge environmental or other issues

they add allot to communities through effort and often by volunteering long hours
No wonder government let aged care slip they don't see value where there isn't a buck or a cause to be served in some situations

screwing the communities and issues over that the grannies so often represent I look at it as passion for where someone lives and putting a human face and voice to value of the issues that can't raise awareness on their own accord

I sound like a green nutter but it's the knowledge of what often remains hidden from public domain that must sometimes be publicly addressed in a communities best interests are to be preserved Tanya didn't give a damn she stayed silent from a position of leadership she's getting called out by concerned Australian tax payers who are effected or concerned

why won't she front up because it's easier to turn the cheek from a position of power

she's effectively dismissing concerns of community we see this often in politics when it gets brought to light on many issues Australia wide

environments are a concerning topic as are many others at the moment

would the minister please front up or reveal the reason they wish to remain silent or is that to much to ask for from concerned Australian citizens on a number of issues utter bullshit from the top down

AlfredWallace's picture
AlfredWallace's picture
AlfredWallace Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 11:33am
Rabbits68 wrote:
Robwilliams wrote:

bob makes some strong points in regards to this development.

Yes he sure does. Good on ya Rob for taking an interest. My beautiful, inspirational Mother who is in her late 70’s is an active member of Nannas for Native Forests & is often on the frontline (even having recently been arrested for taking part in a peaceful protest with other like minded Nannas). Go you good thing Mum!

The short sightedness & ignorance of these catastrophic decisions, when alternative, viable options are available is simply wrong. When we will we ever learn from the past. What do we truly want to leave for the future generations? Saving 15 minutes on a trip down south? FFS…

Robwilliams, Rabbit68. Bob always make sense and it sounds like Mother Rabbits68 does also. Age is no barrier to caring about the things I/we/you respect. How can people not see the beauty in Australia’s flora and fauna, unique to the world and the envy of some countries. Here we go again and again and again, more unnecessary land clearing for what, a few minutes of quicker travel, makes me sick, this obsession with getting to places quicker and quicker year after year, if you break it down, we humans are the sick puppies here. What’s next ?. A Bibbulmum Track super highway to the SW of W.A just to funnel the masses to the Margaret River region and once again destroy the very place just a few flocked to decades ago. Plenty of templates in existence NOT to follow, Byron Bay, Noosa Heads etc.

indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming's picture
indo-dreaming Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 1:15pm
AndyM wrote:

"She was paying homage to her donors"

Totally.
She thinks a "successful" aboriginal community is one that has a bauxite mine on it.
She's a puppet for the big boys.

What absolute tripe Jacinta is nobodies puppet, she is a strong focused passionate women that says it how she see's it and has lived and breathed the things she is passionate about.

You on the other hand are just an old white guy clearly threatened by the fact an indigenous women doesn't think and say the things you think she should.

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 1:51pm

Hahaha, let me guess - I'm racist and misogynist!

Yeah nah, she's clearly a stooge for the big end of town..

soggydog's picture
soggydog's picture
soggydog Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 2:09pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
AndyM wrote:

"She was paying homage to her donors"

Totally.
She thinks a "successful" aboriginal community is one that has a bauxite mine on it.
She's a puppet for the big boys.

What absolute tripe Jacinta is nobodies puppet, she is a strong focused passionate women that says it how she see's it and has lived and breathed the things she is passionate about.

You on the other hand are just an old white guy clearly threatened by the fact an indigenous women doesn't think and say the things you think she should.

Nope, the fact that she is speaking at the IPA, praising Gina Reinhardt, Tony Abbot and the Murdoch’s seriously damages her credibility as an independent voice. She will have no free vote in parliament and will be heavily influenced by what her donors wish when voting on legislation. Remember the IPA was set up to discredit climate scientists and write legislation to support the interests of mining companies. The plight of Aboriginal Australians and more so Aboriginal women would not even be a talking point.

She sold her credibility, hope she got a nice house and car.

I focus's picture
I focus's picture
I focus Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 2:18pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

What absolute tripe Jacinta is nobodies puppet, she is a strong focused passionate women that says it how she see's it and has lived and breathed the things she is passionate about.

You on the other hand are just an old white guy clearly threatened by the fact an indigenous women doesn't think and say the things you think she should.

Actually to quote indigenous I used to hang out with when talking about other indigenous she sounds "white".

It was a major insult but often appropriate you sort of have to live it to understand.

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 3:21pm

https://m.

Ah a bit of venting.....

Side note, if ya speaking at IPA function, you are a LNP Murdoch stooge no matter what ya religion, skin colour, or hairstyle is... End of story.

GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley's picture
GuySmiley Friday, 5 Aug 2022 at 3:29pm
soggydog wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
AndyM wrote:

"She was paying homage to her donors"

Totally.
She thinks a "successful" aboriginal community is one that has a bauxite mine on it.
She's a puppet for the big boys.

What absolute tripe Jacinta is nobodies puppet, she is a strong focused passionate women that says it how she see's it and has lived and breathed the things she is passionate about.

You on the other hand are just an old white guy clearly threatened by the fact an indigenous women doesn't think and say the things you think she should.

Nope, the fact that she is speaking at the IPA, praising Gina Reinhardt, Tony Abbot and the Murdoch’s seriously damages her credibility as an independent voice. She will have no free vote in parliament and will be heavily influenced by what her donors wish when voting on legislation. Remember the IPA was set up to discredit climate scientists and write legislation to support the interests of mining companies. The plight of Aboriginal Australians and more so Aboriginal women would not even be a talking point.

She sold her credibility, hope she got a nice house and car.

I see Price as a Hanson clone, promoted to chase the same demographic of perennially angry bottom feeders. Likely to be more successful that Hanson in pulling headlines and ca$h at least in the short-term given her support of (and from) the hard right. She'll rightfully fade into insignificance once the referendum is resolved.