2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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Robwilliams Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 7:53pm

Tolerance or intolerance?

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Robwilliams Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 8:09pm

wokeness is anti truth? Or an overused word in place awareness in some regard? Injustice will always be present just as the revival of the term wokeness where argument-ally convenient. Right or left. It is limiting to label every argument of and for injustice woke for arguments sake. The label is often used to describe those who appose injustice not the ideas being put forth. Simple silencing regardless of factual truth. e,g Your woke so your opposition to injustice is meaningless under the definition of woke. A bit like political or social stonewalling.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wokeness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#:~:text=In%20the%2021st%20century's%20first,or%20racial%20discrimination%20and%20injustice%22.

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gsco Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 8:09pm

Is Australia starting to run the risk of being overly obsessed with left progressive wokeness, identity and gender politics, an indigenous voice, warfare on corporate profits, climate change politics, etc?

I think the basic, core issues that drive the strength of a nation need to be focused on: public health and education, economic stability and growth, productivity, research and development, housing affordability, real wages, military capability, regional political and economic integration, natural population growth, Asia-Pacific security, etc.

Seems that we’re running the risk of taking our eye off the ball.

Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China, which must think we’re a nation of retards trying to fuck a doorknob by getting caught up with things like gender politics.

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Robwilliams Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 8:17pm

We took are eye off the ball a long time ago regardless of the new found interest in political wokness. Smoke and mirrors as always. Who can you politically trust?

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andy-mac Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 8:15pm

The whole 'woke' thing is just a distraction as was 'reds under the bed' and '$100 lamb roasts' were...
Create a issue, rally up the mob and there ya go, non thinking population are in agreement....
Conservatives, Tories, Right Wingers or whatever you wish to label them have been at it for years....

https://m.

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Robwilliams Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 8:34pm

Of the important core issues that gsco mentions what have been some of the most soundly successful recent political implementations for long term future viability for all Australians?

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AndyM Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 9:07pm

“Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China,”

Not really, when there’s a big chunk of people out there who think if you criticise the Chinese it’s on racial grounds.

“ Create a issue, rally up the mob and there ya go, non thinking population are in agreement....”

Sure the right have done this forever but the “progressive left” have totally taken this on board.

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Robwilliams Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 9:26pm

And where the progressive limit greater understanding of their ideas is the ineffectual application and concept of applying non factual truth to their argument be it right or left.

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dandandan Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 9:54pm
gsco wrote:

Is Australia starting to run the risk of being overly obsessed with left progressive wokeness, identity and gender politics, an indigenous voice, warfare on corporate profits, climate change politics, etc?

I think the basic, core issues that drive the strength of a nation need to be focused on: public health and education, economic stability and growth, productivity, research and development, housing affordability, real wages, military capability, regional political and economic integration, natural population growth, Asia-Pacific security, etc.

Seems that we’re running the risk of taking our eye off the ball.

Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China, which must think we’re a nation of retards trying to fuck a doorknob by getting caught up with things like gender politics.

For what it's worth, much of that is what the Greens campaigned on during the election. Huge investments in public health, huge investments in public housing which people can own and live in for a lifetime, making TAFE and university free (and making public education genuinely free - any proper poor person can tell you it is not), resetting the tax settings that make billionaires and large corporations pay the level of taxes they should be (not sure how that is in any way "woke"), giving stronger rights to the 30% of Australians who rent their homes, addressing government interventions in the housing market by grandfathering negative gearing and fixing CGT concessions, raising the rates of the pension and Newstart etc. above the poverty line, and so on. Conservatives are far more obsessed with gender politics than any progressive person I know.

As an aside, would I be right in saying that the average age of people commenting on this thread is closer to 65 than it is to 35?

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Robwilliams Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 10:22pm

Conservatives are far mor concerned with gender based politics than the core issues as we have seen time and time again

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 10:47pm
Robwilliams wrote:

And where the progressive limit greater understanding of their ideas is the ineffectual application and concept of applying non factual truth to their argument be it right or left.

yep

it was / is all... 'swallow the indoctrination dogma whole, ...ask no questions, ...cite no statistics ...'

or...

'you're a right wing fascist'

aside from being kind of fascist in itself...

its a great way to isolate any possible potential 'allies' that are capable of free thought...

capable of any thought at all actually...

it's was / is the biggest own goal ever...

well before the right sunk their teeth into it...

and 'factual truth' ... no such thing

apparently...

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:18pm
gsco wrote:

Is Australia starting to run the risk of being overly obsessed with left progressive wokeness, identity and gender politics, an indigenous voice, warfare on corporate profits, climate change politics, etc?

I think the basic, core issues that drive the strength of a nation need to be focused on: public health and education, economic stability and growth, productivity, research and development, housing affordability, real wages, military capability, regional political and economic integration, natural population growth, Asia-Pacific security, etc.

Seems that we’re running the risk of taking our eye off the ball.

Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China, which must think we’re a nation of retards trying to fuck a doorknob by getting caught up with things like gender politics.

absolutely!

couldn't agree more

wokeness was an ok indulgance 5 or 10 years ago... now it is just plain suicide...

or a society eating itself

haven't watched your k rudd vid (but will...)

but i have totally agreed with things I've seen him say of late, however, every time i see him, i just think to myself ... '...wtf were you thinking?' ...and... '...where the fuck were you 5 to 10 years ago?'

the writing has been on the wall for a long time re. china... but we weren't allowed to talk about it... (see andym's post)

for an 'expert' ...he's pretty late to the party...

not having a go btw

and, hate to drag your academic lectures down to commercial tv level...

but I got drawn into a 60 minutes episodes youtube china vids vortex a couple of days ago, south china seas, spies, unis, ccp infiltrating corporations / government, hong kong, etc. etc.

you cannot tell me (not you personally) that asio and co. haven't been aware of the goings on solely post covid... the uni's thing blew up in their faces pre covid....

but the 'public narrative' was...

dumb, self sacrificing, greedy, ignorant, bewildering and silenced

largely by you know who... well, what...

fuck, some of the cats on here would still have had us self scarficing if that dam wall hadn't broken thanks to corona...

'turkeys voting for christmss'

(to borrow a phrase)

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:28pm

and, in yet another ironical contotionist twist...

those that love to talk about all things russianbots and foriegn influence...

are totally silent about the bots and 'influencers' totally capitalising on all things woke

fukn turkey/s alright

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AndyM Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:37pm

“and 'factual truth' ... no such thing apparently...”

It’s just about the most toxic and divisive aspect of the postmodernist Left - the idea that everyone’s entitled to their own truth.
Or, in the words of a very well-know political scientist, intellectual and author, it’s a place where truth is malleable and it exists to justify an ideology.

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soggydog Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:44pm

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soggydog Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:43pm
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Indo, what is it with you and the gender thing? You often bring it up. Why does it bother you so much?

Yeah apparently it’s some left wing wokeness. But as we can clearly see it is only raised as a discussion point by RWNJ ala Indo Sypkan and Andy M. And my original post was more to do with your useless one liner “inner city latte sipping lefty”

Indo, you are the one who keeps this useless shit up. With help from Sypkan and Andy M. The rest of us want to actually discuss what’s happening. Do better gentleman.

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soggydog Thursday, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:54pm

Maybe read dandandan’s reply to gsco a couple of times lads. Then maybe get someone else to read it to you aloud. Then go and stand in front of a mirror and read it aloud again.
The only person who keeps raising gender politics is Indo, who then gets backed up by Sypkan, AndyM joins the fray and apparently it’s a left conspiracy. Yet those accused of wokeness never seem to raise the issue. FFS grow a brain lads. One between the three of you would be a vast improvement.

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sypkan Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 12:12am

"...But as we can clearly see it is only raised as a discussion point by RWNJ ala Indo Sypkan and Andy M...."

you just did it again!

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andy-mac Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 6:10am
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“Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China,”

Not really, when there’s a big chunk of people out there who think if you criticise the Chinese it’s on racial grounds.

“ Create a issue, rally up the mob and there ya go, non thinking population are in agreement....”

Sure the right have done this forever but the “progressive left” have totally taken this on board.

Yep, certainly true in some cases, although I don't really like the terms right and left ... Some terms have seemed have merged in recent times. Wellness hippy gurus types in some ways traditionally have left leaning views (peace, yoga, pot etc) in some regards, but very right wing in others (anti vax, qanon etc) ... Referring to more extreme fringes on both sides ..

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andy-mac Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 6:18am

And agree with Soggydog, only really hear the term wokeness being thrown around by what seems to be angry old white men or women ( referring to media not this thread) trying to get themselves and audience angrier...

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GuySmiley Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 8:43am
soggydog wrote:

Maybe read dandandan’s reply to gsco a couple of times lads. Then maybe get someone else to read it to you aloud. Then go and stand in front of a mirror and read it aloud again.
The only person who keeps raising gender politics is Indo, who then gets backed up by Sypkan, AndyM joins the fray and apparently it’s a left conspiracy. Yet those accused of wokeness never seem to raise the issue. FFS grow a brain lads. One between the three of you would be a vast improvement.

Bullseye

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AndyM Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 9:10am

Soggy can you point out where I back up Indo with regard to gender issues?

As for “anti wokeness” being a white thing, do I really have to list the people that signed the Harpers Letter?

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AndyM Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 9:34am

You don't have to look any further than Barack Obama if you need an example of a non-white person who has issues with "wokeness".

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 9:42am
gsco wrote:

Is Australia starting to run the risk of being overly obsessed with left progressive wokeness, identity and gender politics, an indigenous voice, warfare on corporate profits, climate change politics, etc?

I think the basic, core issues that drive the strength of a nation need to be focused on: public health and education, economic stability and growth, productivity, research and development, housing affordability, real wages, military capability, regional political and economic integration, natural population growth, Asia-Pacific security, etc.

Seems that we’re running the risk of taking our eye off the ball.

Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China, which must think we’re a nation of retards trying to fuck a doorknob by getting caught up with things like gender politics.

Actually wokeness is completely relevant, countries like China and Russia are just laughing at the west destroy themselves from the inside out fuelled by wokeness just look at the USA.

While other countries people are proud of their country and culture and what they have achieved, more and more the west hates itself and see's being proud of you country and culture as almost a negative, especially being nationalistic, imagine if we were in Ukraines position do you think we would defend our country like they have?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:02am
blackers wrote:

Indo, what is it with you and the gender thing? You often bring it up. Why does it bother you so much?

Pretty simple, gender issues & self identification, is without a doubt peak wokeness, and the best example to use when talking about wokeness because even moderate lefties cant take much of it seriously, it keeps the discussion on topic and stops it going into a heated discussion of name calling etc

If i used other woke issues as example like around race for instance, the topic would go elsewhere and go off the rails and get ugly.

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andy-mac Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:01am
indo-dreaming wrote:
gsco wrote:

Is Australia starting to run the risk of being overly obsessed with left progressive wokeness, identity and gender politics, an indigenous voice, warfare on corporate profits, climate change politics, etc?

I think the basic, core issues that drive the strength of a nation need to be focused on: public health and education, economic stability and growth, productivity, research and development, housing affordability, real wages, military capability, regional political and economic integration, natural population growth, Asia-Pacific security, etc.

Seems that we’re running the risk of taking our eye off the ball.

Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China, which must think we’re a nation of retards trying to fuck a doorknob by getting caught up with things like gender politics.

Actually wokeness is completely relevant, countries like China and Russia are just laughing at the west destroy themselves from the inside out fuelled by wokeness just look at the USA.

While other countries people are proud of their country and culture and what they have achieved, more and more the west hates itself and see's being proud of you country and culture as almost a negative, especially being nationalistic, imagine if we were in Ukraines position do you think we would defend our country like they have?

Wokeness destroying west...???
Absolute nonsense.... Neo liberal policies on steroids are exacerbating the division of wealth which is the primary cause the the vast majority of problems facing the west, USA, UK and Australia. Again using Wokeness as a distraction. The people that carry on about woke culture are generally the sock puppets of the media companies that are happy with the wealth trickling up to them as the planet is destroyed.

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adam12 Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:11am

If someone self identifies as Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse does that make them woke?
Asking for a friend.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:19am

Thank you Andy for giving us an example of what I'm talking about, this self hate type thing.

The reality is western countries lead the world in pretty much every area.

Democracy, Freedom, Wealth & individual average wealth, Lowest poverty rates, life expectancy rates etc.

Im going to say heath, but yes our success has also lead to us basically over eating ourselves to bad health.

But still more and more we see this attitude of the west being bad and our systems being bad, which in some cases is even seeing young people thinking alternative systems are worth exploring again.

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andy-mac Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:30am
indo-dreaming wrote:

Thank you Andy for giving us an example of what I'm talking about, this self hate type thing.

The reality is western countries lead the world in pretty much every area.

Democracy, Freedom, Wealth & individual average wealth, Lowest poverty rates, life expectancy rates etc.

Im going to say heath, but yes our success has also lead to us basically over eating ourselves to bad health.

But still more and more we see this attitude of the west being bad and our systems being bad, which in some cases is even seeing young people thinking alternative systems are worth exploring again.

Cannot see anything in my post that is self hating or west hating? Quite to the contrary, the things you mentioned such as freedom, democracy etc are all being attacked by neo liberal policies which are increasing the disparity in wealth in western countries... I believe in all those things passionately. Our last PM obviously did not believe in democratic institutions though ey.

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stunet Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:31am

Just shooting the shit, but I guess some people see Western success as a hollow artifice based upon superficiality and greed, erected at the expense of community and social connection, and which, if it continues, will ravage the environment leaving subsequent generations with a diminished quality of life.

Perhaps that's why they care not about KPIs like wealth and increased life expectancy?

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blackers Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:40am
indo-dreaming wrote:
blackers wrote:

Indo, what is it with you and the gender thing? You often bring it up. Why does it bother you so much?

Pretty simple, gender issues & self identification, is without a doubt peak wokeness, and the best example to use when talking about wokeness because even moderate lefties cant take much of it seriously, it keeps the discussion on topic and stops it going into a heated discussion of name calling etc

If i used other woke issues as example like around race for instance, the topic would go elsewhere and go off the rails and get ugly.

Fair point with the last bit but it doesnt really answer my question. I cant see how someone identifying themselves differently has any impact on you (or me to that matter) in your day to day life. Other than finding it irritating, self indulgent or simply dumb, what does it matter? If someone wants to be referred to as "they", or pan-sexual or whatever I cant see the harm. It's not my bag but who am I to tell them how they should feel about themselves? As has been pointed out above, there are many more important things we need to be concerned about.
Anyhoo, carry on.

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sypkan Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:51am
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indo-dreaming wrote:
gsco wrote:

Is Australia starting to run the risk of being overly obsessed with left progressive wokeness, identity and gender politics, an indigenous voice, warfare on corporate profits, climate change politics, etc?

I think the basic, core issues that drive the strength of a nation need to be focused on: public health and education, economic stability and growth, productivity, research and development, housing affordability, real wages, military capability, regional political and economic integration, natural population growth, Asia-Pacific security, etc.

Seems that we’re running the risk of taking our eye off the ball.

Wokeness is completely fucking irrelevant when we’re locked into a cold and heating up war with China, which must think we’re a nation of retards trying to fuck a doorknob by getting caught up with things like gender politics.

Actually wokeness is completely relevant, countries like China and Russia are just laughing at the west destroy themselves from the inside out fuelled by wokeness just look at the USA.

While other countries people are proud of their country and culture and what they have achieved, more and more the west hates itself and see's being proud of you country and culture as almost a negative, especially being nationalistic, imagine if we were in Ukraines position do you think we would defend our country like they have?

Wokeness destroying west...???
Absolute nonsense.... Neo liberal policies on steroids are exacerbating the division of wealth which is the primary cause the the vast majority of problems facing the west, USA, UK and Australia. Again using Wokeness as a distraction. The people that carry on about woke culture are generally the sock puppets of the media companies that are happy with the wealth trickling up to them as the planet is destroyed.

wokeness versus neoliberalism...

aren't they one and the same?

an excellent article, from well before the shit well and truly hit the fan

an almost prophetic article in other regards

'peak identity politics'

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sypkan Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:59am
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blackers wrote:

Indo, what is it with you and the gender thing? You often bring it up. Why does it bother you so much?

Pretty simple, gender issues & self identification, is without a doubt peak wokeness, and the best example to use when talking about wokeness because even moderate lefties cant take much of it seriously, it keeps the discussion on topic and stops it going into a heated discussion of name calling etc

If i used other woke issues as example like around race for instance, the topic would go elsewhere and go off the rails and get ugly.

'peak wokeness'

indo is more on the money here than he even realises...

the gender issue encapsulates the whole woke ideology on so many levels...

identifying

his / her 'truth'

the cancelling

the rabidness

the post modernism indoctrination

the anti science agenda

the selective statistics

it really is the epiome of the 'choose your own adventure' ideology

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:01am
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it really is the epiome of the 'choose your own adventure' ideology

Ha ha too true.

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sypkan Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:09am
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blackers wrote:

Indo, what is it with you and the gender thing? You often bring it up. Why does it bother you so much?

Pretty simple, gender issues & self identification, is without a doubt peak wokeness, and the best example to use when talking about wokeness because even moderate lefties cant take much of it seriously, it keeps the discussion on topic and stops it going into a heated discussion of name calling etc

If i used other woke issues as example like around race for instance, the topic would go elsewhere and go off the rails and get ugly.

Fair point with the last bit but it doesnt really answer my question. I cant see how someone identifying themselves differently has any impact on you (or me to that matter) in your day to day life. Other than finding it irritating, self indulgent or simply dumb, what does it matter? If someone wants to be referred to as "they", or pan-sexual or whatever I cant see the harm. It's not my bag but who am I to tell them how they should feel about themselves? As has been pointed out above, there are many more important things we need to be concerned about.
Anyhoo, carry on.

because it has infiltrated every level of society

from academia and HR all the way down to primary school and childcare

the medical profession is up to all sorts of questionable antics due to what is a pretty radical idea and theory

and just that is the problem...

its all well and truly still in the realms of theory...

and the irreversible negative outcomes of this theory are just coming to the surface now

and, perhaps most importantly, parents don't like the state messing with their kids...

the state should stay the fuck out of people's private lives and beliefs

none of that means you cannot have empathy and respect for transgender kids

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:31am
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indo-dreaming wrote:
blackers wrote:

Indo, what is it with you and the gender thing? You often bring it up. Why does it bother you so much?

Pretty simple, gender issues & self identification, is without a doubt peak wokeness, and the best example to use when talking about wokeness because even moderate lefties cant take much of it seriously, it keeps the discussion on topic and stops it going into a heated discussion of name calling etc

If i used other woke issues as example like around race for instance, the topic would go elsewhere and go off the rails and get ugly.

Fair point with the last bit but it doesnt really answer my question. I cant see how someone identifying themselves differently has any impact on you (or me to that matter) in your day to day life. Other than finding it irritating, self indulgent or simply dumb, what does it matter? If someone wants to be referred to as "they", or pan-sexual or whatever I cant see the harm. It's not my bag but who am I to tell them how they should feel about themselves? As has been pointed out above, there are many more important things we need to be concerned about.
Anyhoo, carry on.

I don't care how anyone identifies im sure i even mentioned it in a post the other week about having no issues addressing a man who has transitioned to a women as a women, i dont care less.

But the problem comes in when people are forced to tow certain views and any other views or criticism even misgendering is viewed as hate speech and people are banned from social media etc

To me its like religion, I'm not religious but i respect others right to believe what they like, but i still should be able to say there is no god or criticise their beliefs.

We should all have the right to say, okay you believe that, but i dont accept it, its not my belief.

Also agree with what Sypkan said.

BTW. Im sure people might think I'm transphobic or something, im honestly not, to give you an example about ten years ago my wife worked with a guy who identified as a women, he didn't pull it off very good as was solid and tall so he just looked like a man trying to be a women unlike some you see in Indo where you go okay she is actually not bad looking.

Anyway she invited my wife to go see a movie one night and i honestly had no issues with her doing so, while if it was a male friend that i didn't know maybe i might not feel the same way.

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sypkan Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:32am

a tragic tale of not doing due diligence and misdiagnonsis fuelled by ideology

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/absolutely-devastat...

it would seem the mixed kid was gay, nothing more, nothing less...

but a trigger happy, self serving, agenda driven, industry totally missed the mark

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some context...

"...Because of family rejection and discrimination in education and employment, many transgender people have limited employment options and work in informal economies like sex work. When this work is criminalized, sex workers are at particular risk of being assaulted or killed by clients and report being reluctant to seek assistance from law enforcement for fear of being harassed or prosecuted..."

one could argue they don't really rrally need to resort to sex work...

but they do

and they also put themselves in other vulnerable situations

call it victim blaming if you want...

but I would take a more nuanced approah around homophobia, and the associated self loathing of 'men' who are desperate and in denial...

a possible self loathing that only arises after the bolt is blown

"...“Simply condemning violence after it happens is too little, too late,” Thoreson said. “If lawmakers are serious about stopping anti-transgender violence, they need to address the poverty and discrimination that put so many transgender people in harm’s way.”..."

like most contemporary identity politics arguments, one could pretty much trace many problems back to class issues...

but thats not very fashionable at this point in time... this very selective consciousness point in time ...of 'peak identity politics and 'peak neoliberalism'...

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 12:48pm
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Yep, certainly true in some cases, although I don't really like the terms right and left ... Some terms have seemed have merged in recent times. Wellness hippy gurus types in some ways traditionally have left leaning views (peace, yoga, pot etc) in some regards, but very right wing in others (anti vax, qanon etc) ... Referring to more extreme fringes on both sides ..

I had to laugh at some of this, although i do agree on the lines being totally blurred.

Im sorry but prior to Covid i dont think anti vax was ever associated with the right, its always been a far left hippy/alternative keep my body clean type thing, it really only became a right wing thing during Covid because conservative generally value freedoms pretty highly, and suddenly having to get vaxed was seen as being anti freedom as was face mask wearing etc

Yeah okay things like pot smoking or drug taking in general have been traditionally left wing in a sense, i guess because conservatives in the west have come from a Christian base and Christians generally believe excessive drinking or drug taking is forbidden because of the loss of control, but i see a different bred of conservatives these days that are often pots smokers.

For instance I was watching the Joe Rogan podcast last week with guys from Trigonometry podcast, and Joe as he does brought out a joint, and they were super stoked and had a smoke too, and i know others like Tim Pool are smokers

Yeah sure i know all these guys say they are not conservatives and even claim to be on the left and always back it up by saying, i support public health care or some social wealth fare ect (as i do myself)

But i just laugh when they say that, i think they just say it to avoid getting cancelled by Youtube because i agree with pretty much everything they say on most social and political issues and i dont think im left leaning at all.

To me there is a new type of conservative that is not religious in any way, but also not anti religious, but still generally hold conservative values socially and politically, to me its a type of progressive conservatism.

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GuySmiley Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 12:48pm

I heard recently there are a million empty dwellings in AU and yet we have a rent crisis, a homeless crisis, families flooded out of their homes up/down the coast and single mums paying $800 a week in caravan parks to avoid couch surfing and yet what is exercising the minds of the Swellnet intelligentsia?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 1:00pm
GuySmiley wrote:

I heard recently there are a million empty dwellings in AU and yet we have a rent crisis, a homeless crisis, families flooded out of their homes up/down the coast and single mums paying $800 a week in caravan parks to avoid couch surfing and yet what is exercising the minds of the Swellnet intelligentsia?

The whole housing topic is an interesting one and still very active and up to it's 65th page
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/853962#comment-853962

If you want talk about brain dead threads 372 pages of Covid and people are still posting about it, but different strokes for different folks i guess.

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andy-mac Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 1:09pm
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Yep, certainly true in some cases, although I don't really like the terms right and left ... Some terms have seemed have merged in recent times. Wellness hippy gurus types in some ways traditionally have left leaning views (peace, yoga, pot etc) in some regards, but very right wing in others (anti vax, qanon etc) ... Referring to more extreme fringes on both sides ..

I had to laugh at some of this, although i do agree on the lines being totally blurred.

Im sorry but prior to Covid i dont think anti vax was ever associated with the right, its always been a far left hippy/alternative keep my body clean type thing, it really only became a right wing thing during Covid because conservative generally value freedoms pretty highly, and suddenly having to get vaxed was seen as being anti freedom as was face mask wearing etc

Yeah okay things like pot smoking or drug taking in general have been traditionally left wing in a sense, i guess because conservatives in the west have come from a Christian base and Christians generally believe excessive drinking or drug taking is forbidden because of the loss of control, but i see a different bred of conservatives these days that are often pots smokers.

For instance I was watching the Joe Rogan podcast last week with guys from Trigonometry podcast, and Joe as he does brought out a joint, and they were super stoked and had a smoke too, and i know others like Tim Pool are smokers

Yeah sure i know all these guys say they are not conservatives and even claim to be on the left and always back it up by saying, i support public health care or some social wealth fare ect (as i do myself)

But i just laugh when they say that, i think they just say it to avoid getting cancelled by Youtube because i agree with pretty much everything they say on most social and political issues and i dont think im left leaning at all.

To me there is a new type of conservative that is not religious in any way, but also not anti religious, but still generally hold conservative values socially and politically, to me its a type of progressive conservatism.

It's funny how things have changed... Have quite a few mates who you would no way class as conservative in any traditional sense, partied hard, liberal social views, surf etc. But politically very rightish in my view. As you say Covid brought this out with the anti vax thing etc. The whole wellness thing which I personally think has a lot of positives has very much tended to attract more people with a crazy right outlook than loopy left .
Interesting times, but reckon it is a distraction that is working well, eg this forum....

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indo-dreaming Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 1:32pm

The whole Covid & vax, mask, lockdowns, etc certainly brought some weird separations and views, kind of an eye opener to see who took a certain view, often people you would never expect, i still have friends now that love Indo and generally go every year but havent gone back yet back because they won't get vaxed, to me thats crazy that you can deny yourself of something you love some much because of a vaccine.

The whole anti vax thing seems real popular among Indo expats too, so i don know how hey are every going to come back to Australia to visit as cant re enter Indo if not vaxed.

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Hiccups Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 1:43pm
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some context...

"...Because of family rejection and discrimination in education and employment, many transgender people have limited employment options and work in informal economies like sex work. When this work is criminalized, sex workers are at particular risk of being assaulted or killed by clients and report being reluctant to seek assistance from law enforcement for fear of being harassed or prosecuted..."

one could argue they don't really rrally need to resort to sex work...

but they do

and they also put themselves in other vulnerable situations

call it victim blaming if you want...

You're victim blaming.

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adam12 Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 1:55pm

To my way of thinking if people being woke or trans or whatever they choose bothers you then you lack basic empathy. You are the problem, not them.
Everyone self identifies as something.
Just fuck off.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 2:16pm
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To my way of thinking if people being woke or trans or whatever they choose bothers you then you lack basic empathy. You are the problem, not them.
Everyone self identifies as something.
Just fuck off.

How bout you fuck off bloke.

Being woke ain’t there same as being born into a dismorphic physicality. Being woke is a conscious decision to be a reactionary authoritarian fuckstik. Reams of evidence of woke cnts betraying their underlying shit attitudes on these threads. Go read a bit of Vic “ Woke Bloke” Local’s posts for a primo example.

Hey Adam…..you’re a bit of a dumb cnt hey mate. Always was , Always will be…..a dmb cnt.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 2:18pm

Oh yeah ….just saw Hiccup’s post. Didn’t read it. Just know that you can put his/ hers/ sandy vagina in the same bracket as Adam.

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tubeshooter Friday, 26 Aug 2022 at 2:26pm

Get woke.