COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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AndyM Thursday, 11 Aug 2022 at 10:23pm

Leave the kids alone?
What, to get polio?

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bonza Thursday, 11 Aug 2022 at 10:29pm

Ominous comments from Burleigh and I reckon reflective of a much larger cohort of vaccine hesitant compared to pre covid. Not at all surprising.

Well done public health officials and political leaders.

There’s a lot of juicy stuff in here for the reluctant and opportune.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01802-z

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burleigh Thursday, 11 Aug 2022 at 10:33pm
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Leave the kids alone?
What, to get polio?

Nobody in London has Polio. you must have missed that part. They found traces digging around in peoples shit. that is all.

You happy to vaccinate kids for polio when there is none, but not happy for them to eat healthy when their is MANY unhealthy kids in London?

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AndyM Thursday, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:46pm

"Nobody in London has Polio".

Yeah and the aim is to keep it that way.
It's around, it's spreading, but let's stick our head in the sand and hope for the best?
Fuck me, that's an awful plan.

"You happy to vaccinate kids for polio when there is none,"

Of course!
It's obviously there in the population, why wouldn't you take precautions and keep the numbers of kids with polio at zero?

Messaging with Covid was an embarrassing shitfight - it's not surprising that there was some confusion there.
But if you think something like polio can be combatted by "eating healthy", then you are truly delusional.
And dangerous.
You'd be a cruel and callous individual to tell the most vulnerable, kids under the age of 5, that they're on their own.
Criminal.

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Rabbits68 Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:04am

Yep. Burls showing his true colors right here. It clearly goes deeper than Covid for Burls. In denial of polio & the overwhelming effectiveness of the vaccine? Delusional at best.

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:06am

Yeah I always suspected that it went further.
Delusional at best.
And at worst?

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Rabbits68 Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:14am

And at worst? Perhaps Burls could picture one of, or all three of his beautiful kids in that picture above.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 7:02am
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"Nobody in London has Polio".

Yeah and the aim is to keep it that way.
It's around, it's spreading, but let's stick our head in the sand and hope for the best?
Fuck me, that's an awful plan.

"You happy to vaccinate kids for polio when there is none,"

Of course!
It's obviously there in the population, why wouldn't you take precautions and keep the numbers of kids with polio at zero?

Messaging with Covid was an embarrassing shitfight - it's not surprising that there was some confusion there.
But if you think something like polio can be combatted by "eating healthy", then you are truly delusional.
And dangerous.
You'd be a cruel and callous individual to tell the most vulnerable, kids under the age of 5, that they're on their own.
Criminal.

I never said healthy eating will combat Polio. I said it will fix their hospital crisis as heart disease is the biggest killer.

Fuck AndyM you’re the new roadkill. You stayed pretty quiet about the video I posted above too

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Supafreak Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 8:42am
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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 8:43am

Burleigh you seem confused, we were talking about whether or not to vaccinate against polio.

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Roadkill Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:04am

I still think burleigh could be Pete Evans. Has the same stupid attitude that food is medicine.

Mind you, pete Evans does actually surf, whereas burligh just trolls a surf forum.

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Roadkill Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:04am
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I still think burleigh could be Pete Evans. Has the same stupid attitude that food is medicine.

Mind you, Pete Evans does actually surf, whereas burligh just trolls a surf forum.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:24am
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500 a daily deaths but now the US relaxes rules , wonder what changed . https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/08/11/1116991600/with-new... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm

The “science” that you will never ever see

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:26am
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I still think burleigh could be Pete Evans. Has the same stupid attitude that food is medicine.

Mind you, pete Evans does actually surf, whereas burligh just trolls a surf forum.

Take some time off being a bed wetter and watch a documentary called “in defence of food”

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:30am
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Burleigh, do you have the capacity to understand 'reduces risk' vs 'stop'?

There may have been some media outlets, months ago, years ago even maybe, that said something along the lines of getting vaccinated is your best hope to stop you getting covid. It seems the anti vax portion of your brain anchored on to this point hard!

I've never seen anyone/group/organisation claim it stops infections. Just clowns like you who - surprise surprise - 'went off what the media tell you' - and have stuck with the line that apparently 'THEY' said the vaccinations will stop you getting covid!

All rational people, i.e. the 95%+ of people who got vaccinated, understood it would reduce the risks only, not stop. Reduce the likelihood of getting infected, not stop. Reduce the severity of infection, not stop. Reduce the likelihood of passing it on, not stop. A reduction in risk for essentially no cost (other than a sore arm and mild tiredness) is worth it, unless you're a idiot who would rather live in the dark ages prior to medicine.

Got back to clown college.

Hey Stok. You’re a bit quiet lately

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:35am

Burleigh I get the feeling you're backing away from your "no need to vax against polio" comment.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 9:48am
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Burleigh I get the feeling you're backing away from your "no need to vax against polio" comment.

Look, I don’t know about London, but don’t all babies get vaccinated for polio when they are born with the other 50 jabs they are given?

Nobody has polio in London, they are already vaccinated for Polio from birth. I would
Not be getting my already child vaccinated for a virus that nobody has.

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:01am

“ they are already vaccinated for Polio from birth”

Except for the ones that aren’t, right?

“ I would Not be getting my already child vaccinated for a virus that nobody has.”

Not exactly sure what this means but basically why would you wait until there’s an outbreak (which is clearly what London is concerned about) before you get vaxxed?
Kinda like looking for traffic after you’ve been hit by a car.

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old-dog Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:35am

Professor burleigh only believes things that come from the politicized U.S. extreme far right Trump camp. Remember Govt. and mainstream media is just to scare and control us brainwashed sheep. The polio vax is one of modern medicines miracles.
When I was young every second person was limping around with polio and then it was virtually wiped out overnight thanks to the vaccine.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:41am
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“ they are already vaccinated for Polio from birth”

Except for the ones that aren’t, right?

“ I would Not be getting my already child vaccinated for a virus that nobody has.”

Not exactly sure what this means but basically why would you wait until there’s an outbreak (which is clearly what London is concerned about) before you get vaxxed?
Kinda like looking for traffic after you’ve been hit by a car.

They should already be vaccinated. Why vaccinate AGAIN for polio when It hasn’t infected anybody in London.

They should stop digging through peoples shit to try find reasons to scare the public.

They should be more concerned about, alcohol, gambling and fast food plastered on every street corner and on their favourite sports stars jersey or the field if they want to help humans be better.

Sure, the ones that are not vaccinated, get it. But if you got it at birth why jab them again when NOBODY has it

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Roadkill Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:48am
burleigh wrote:
AndyM wrote:

Burleigh I get the feeling you're backing away from your "no need to vax against polio" comment.

Look, I don’t know about London, but don’t all babies get vaccinated for polio when they are born with the other 50 jabs they are given?

Nobody has polio in London, they are already vaccinated for Polio from birth. I would
Not be getting my already child vaccinated for a virus that nobody has.

burleigh "Nobody in London has Polio. you must have missed that part. "

2 posts later

burleigh "Look, I don’t know about London"

lmao

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andy-mac Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:54am

https://m.

My uncle had got polio as a kid, limping for life. Horrible disease that has pretty much been eliminated due to vaccination.
Let's keep it that way.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:57am
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDnrWpw3mk

My uncle had got polio as a kid, limping for life. Horrible disease that has pretty much been eliminated due to vaccination.
Let's keep it that way.

I’m not saying polio isn’t a serious disease, of course it is.
But if my child is already vaccinated against polio I won’t be rushing out to get them vaccinated again if nobody has polio.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:58am
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
AndyM wrote:

Burleigh I get the feeling you're backing away from your "no need to vax against polio" comment.

Look, I don’t know about London, but don’t all babies get vaccinated for polio when they are born with the other 50 jabs they are given?

Nobody has polio in London, they are already vaccinated for Polio from birth. I would
Not be getting my already child vaccinated for a virus that nobody has.

burleigh "Nobody in London has Polio. you must have missed that part. "

2 posts later

burleigh "Look, I don’t know about London"

lmao

Dumb dumb alert. Different context dopey.

Nothing unusual

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 11:03am

Seeming as it’s transmitted through faeces you better keep that mask on roadkill with the amount of shit you dribble out your mouth.

You’ll be a super spreader

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Roadkill Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:02pm
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Seeming as it’s transmitted through faeces you better keep that mask on roadkill with the amount of shit you dribble out your mouth.

You’ll be a super spreader

I am 100% protected !!!!!!!!!!!!...I ate an (organic) avacado for brekky and just had an acai bowl (organic obviously) with blueberries, raspberries and every other topping I could fit in.

Yo, food is medicine and prevents everything. Yes, it really is that simple. Polio won't catch me, brah.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:17pm

Roadkill : “ Haha! You sound like Pete Evans! That fruitloop with his discredited health advice!”

Also Roadkill : “ Unvaccinated people are murderers because they don’t have the vaccine which prevents transmission and infection as stated by the President of the United States and the Director of the World’s most powerful health authority, the US CDC!”

Isn’t it funny how some can issue provably fraudulent medical advice and be treated as a running joke yet others can issue provably fraudulent medical advice and still be running the USA and the CDC?

That’s what happens when authority is derived from power and not credibility.

This then trickles all the way down until the lies are repeated by the Roadkill-type bottom feeding dumb cnts. Who’ve also never been barrelled despite living at Burleigh Heads…..which would be all well and good if he didn’t then drag his poor judgement about who is and isn’t a kook all over the good pages of Swellnet.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:19pm
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:

Seeming as it’s transmitted through faeces you better keep that mask on roadkill with the amount of shit you dribble out your mouth.

You’ll be a super spreader

I am 100% protected !!!!!!!!!!!!...I ate an (organic) avacado for brekky and just had an acai bowl (organic obviously) with blueberries, raspberries and every other topping I could fit in.

Yo, food is medicine and prevents everything. Yes, it really is that simple. Polio won't catch me, brah.

Seriously bloke….you are kept alive by medication as your body is so frail it can’t survive on its own. You really think you should be taking the piss out of the lifestyle decisions of the healthy strong people around you?

You should be begging them for advice Bloke.

On food, health and surfing.

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Roadkill Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:31pm

buleigh's liddle bitsch has arrived.

Rantingly funny as usual.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:59pm

Little bitch?

Bloke, you were on here the other day crying into cyberspace because you had the Wu-sniffles and thought your pea heart was going to give up the ghost. Now you’re calling other people little bitches?

Bloke….you’re a bed wetting, MAMIL serial pest with the constitution of a 200 year old woman, who swallowed the laughably obvious “Sky is falling “ covid pisstake long after even the stupidest of the stupid had realised it was a hoax and who’s never been barrelled. You really think anyone can take a word you say seriously?

Come on bloke….you’re on a covid thread on a surf forum, you are uniquely unqualified to contribute anything worth hearing.

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 1:55pm

Burleigh you say that governments should stop digging through peoples shit but then you acknowledge that polio is spread via faecal matter.

And as is being reported, vax rates for polio in the UK have fallen below what is necessary to keep it under control, hence the recommendations to get vaxxed.
Plus, max efficacy comes with a series of shots over quite a few years - just because you’ve had a jab at 6 months doesn’t mean that’s the end of it.
You should do some reading Burleigh and lose the paranoia.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 2:03pm

Not really fair to blame the public for loss of confidence in institutional declarations after institutions have shown reckless disregard for their own credibility over recent history.

Cynicism towards government hasn’t arrived from immaculate conception.

Prior to the covid fiasco I had a default leaning towards belief in government and institutional motivation on the whole. Not anymore. Not discussing the polio topic, just the overall discrediting of government and agency integrity as far as I can attribute my own mood as representative of a certain portion of the population.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 2:03pm

BREAKING: The CDC in the United States of America has put out advice that their COVID-19 prevention recommendations now recognises natural immunity by stating the agency "no longer differentiate based on a person’s vaccination status because breakthrough infections occur, though they are generally mild (16), and persons who have had COVID-19 but are not vaccinated have some degree of protection against severe illness from their previous infection"

Full Summary Available Here:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 2:05pm
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BREAKING: The CDC in the United States of America has put out advice that their COVID-19 prevention recommendations now recognises natural immunity by stating the agency "no longer differentiate based on a person’s vaccination status because breakthrough infections occur, though they are generally mild (16), and persons who have had COVID-19 but are not vaccinated have some degree of protection against severe illness from their previous infection"

Full Summary Available Here:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm

Yet another pillar of lies crumples in the face of reality.

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 2:19pm

“ Not really fair to blame the public for loss of confidence in institutional declarations ”
If you don’t believe in the efficacy of something like the polio vaccination well that’s just next level wilful ignorance, it’s flat earth level shit.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 2:40pm

As I said, the cynicism was bred, not born. I have no doubt the polio vaccines eradicated polio. Yet if Joe Biden, Anthony Fauci and their ilk were my only source of information on the topic I’d be very hesitant to believe them.

That’s not through any fault of my own. It’s based purely on the steady stream of lies recently fed to us via these figureheads of unquestionable authority.

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bonza Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 2:42pm

Maybe AndyM but it doesn't really change the result of falling (noncovid) vaccination rates. you can scream blue murder at them all day long but why would they believe you or any expert
I can't blame anyone not trusting elected officials and public health messaging given the last 2 year shit show. They really fucked it. Have made the world significantly more dangerous.
Have a hell of a lot of work ahead to regain the people's trust.

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 3:20pm

Maybe then, at some stage we will get shocked out of our comfortable complacency by something really nasty, either new or something old revisited.
Tonga had 83 measles-related deaths with 87% being kids under the age of 5.
It seems this wasn’t close enough to home though.
I guess we need polio cases or whooping cough cases in our faces.
But then you’d still have simpletons and charlatans making excuses and offering alternatives.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 3:30pm

Science catching up to conspiracy theory’s at a rapid rate.

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truebluebasher Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 3:54pm

Cloudy with Covid ~ Behind North Korea's Zero Covid.
26th May 2022 Overload Forecaster North Korea exclusive Review / Data
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/833879

Covid Cases (Peak 755k/day) > 29th July (Last Case)
Total 4.8m / 26m pop resulting in 74 deaths ( Last death on 5th July )
North Korea Daily Data / Graphs continued...
https://www.38north.org/2022/08/north-korean-covid-19-fever-data-tracker/

On the road to recovery with recurring Quarantine Headaches
https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-hamgyong-province-lecture-condemns...
https://www.dailynk.com/english/n-korea-intensifies-disease-control-meas...

Claims / Reports
*Little sister claims South Korean's ballooned in propaganda & money laced with Covid
This infected her big bro who made a Hero recovery.
Lil Sis: "We will retaliate for Crimes against Humanity by kick startin' the Nukes!"
Evil Emporess claims 'we will eradicate the Virus' & The South Korean Authorities.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kim-jong-un-seriously-ill-in-north-korea...
South Korea responded by claiming his little Sister was acting rather scary & rude!

3rd Aug : "Epidemic is in it's terminal Stage...further work...etc...!"
https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1659515626-759430358/anti-epidemic-situa...
11/12th Aug Leader: "Optimistic about sure Victory, in a favourable situation in war on the Virus!"
https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1660218025-360141509/brilliant-victory-g...
Full Text...
http://rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2022-08-11...

Leader: " End of State Emergency "
All accompanying text is full of the ongoing fight against Covid...none mention completed eradication?

Not sure why 100% of MSM are Headlining Leader defeats Covid?
Govt kicked it's arse to end State of Emergency & the current outbreaks are under control!
Much delayed & downplayed from what other World Hero Govts are posturing.

eg: Oz Home run of own goals.
17th April Victorious Oz Govt end Covid Emergency > 21st July record illness / 29th July record deaths
24th May Victorious SA Govt end Covid Emergency > 21st July record illness / July record wave of death
1st July Victorious Tasmania ends Covid Emergency > 12th July record illness / 18th July record deaths

Victorious Oz still punches out way more Covid Crisis in a day than most Nations in a year.

Putting North Korea Covid into context...
Data shows South Korean (March /April outbreak) fuelled the North Korean (May outbreak)
Current Data shows South Korean ( July/Aug outbreak) will likely fuel a North Korean ('Oct outbreak')
Can recently infected 0% vaxed North fight off 87% Mass Vaxed Southern Wane of 150k infections/day
World can argue over semantics all it likes & typically MSM ignore the larger elephant in the room.

Oz saw zero covid Qld & WA invite record waves of neighbouring virus within weeks...it is what it is!

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 4:00pm

Remember when they banned #naturalimmunity from social network channels.

Should they be held accountable now cdc now recognises it?

Every single scientist / doctor that said you are not protected with natural immunity should be questioned as to why.

If the “conspiracy theorists” knew this information, they did too.

Another win for the unjabbed that stood true to their values.

My trust for governments, doctor and scientists will never be the same.

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bonza Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 4:08pm
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Maybe then, at some stage we will get shocked out of our comfortable complacency by something really nasty, either new or something old revisited.
Tonga had 83 measles-related deaths with 87% being kids under the age of 5.
It seems this wasn’t close enough to home though.
I guess we need polio cases or whooping cough cases in our faces.
But then you’d still have simpletons and charlatans making excuses and offering alternatives.

Exactly. I have posted about it previously. trust was already at dire levels re vaccination and towards our democratic institutions as well as big pharma. huge wasted opportunity to overcome that distrust during the covid period. so much good will pissed away cynically by our leaders. all they did was escalate distrust though their bumbling, mistakes and yes.. lies. Now when the next crisis comes the job is going to be so much harder. I don't blame the anti-vaxxers and conspirators at all despite their beliefs. I am furious at our governments and leaders for abusing our trust. They treated us like idiots.

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Supafreak Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 4:24pm

The Fauci effect , did he really say “ consistency ? I suppose he did consistently do backflips

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 4:42pm
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Maybe then, at some stage we will get shocked out of our comfortable complacency by something really nasty, either new or something old revisited.
Tonga had 83 measles-related deaths with 87% being kids under the age of 5.
It seems this wasn’t close enough to home though.
I guess we need polio cases or whooping cough cases in our faces.
But then you’d still have simpletons and charlatans making excuses and offering alternatives.

Exactly. I have posted about it previously. trust was already at dire levels re vaccination and towards our democratic institutions as well as big pharma. huge wasted opportunity to overcome that distrust during the covid period. so much good will pissed away cynically by our leaders. all they did was escalate distrust though their bumbling, mistakes and yes.. lies. Now when the next crisis comes the job is going to be so much harder. I don't blame the anti-vaxxers and conspirators at all despite their beliefs. I am furious at our governments and leaders for abusing our trust. They treated us like idiots.

All I can suggest is that yes, we stay very wary of the politicians and other professional bullshit artists and instead find a consensus of reputable scientific institutions, which actually isn't that difficult. These reputable people do not include those peddling "wellness" alternatives and are not found on Facebook or standing on a street corner, foaming at the mouth.

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AndyM Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 4:41pm

Yeew, Twitter, Instagram!
That shit is sooo cool, I truly believe it.

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burleigh Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 4:43pm
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Yeew, Twitter, Instagram!
That shit is sooo cool, I truly believe it.

The doctors that were banned from social media, had their reputations dragged through the mud during covid turned out to be correct.

I would suggest starting to listen to these people for future issues.

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bonza Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 5:17pm
AndyM wrote:

All I can suggest is that yes, we stay very wary of the politicians and other professional bullshit artists and instead find a consensus of reputable scientific institutions, which actually isn't that difficult. These reputable people do not include those peddling "wellness" alternatives and are not found on Facebook or standing on a street corner, foaming at the mouth.

I disagree. its actually very difficult in the case of Covid that has been such a fluid beast of real time research with conflicting findings amplified by misleading or misinterpreted media reports.
This is the result of the last 2 years. Inequality has amplified. Poverty has grown. House prices have exploded. Rental availability next to nil. Rental prices exploded. People scrambling for tent sites. Corporate profits have ballooned. Preventable disease treatments ceased or delayed. Mental health outcomes exploded. Children's education and social skills delayed, disrupted. Loved ones separated. Small businesses and jobs ruined. Industries lost. QE exploded. Big corporate hand outs. Supply driven inflation explosion. Fuckin great times if you drew the longer stick.

who wouldn't be foaming at the mouth.

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truebluebasher Friday, 12 Aug 2022 at 5:38pm

Continuing with running theme of Govt mishandling of Pandemic.
[Factcheck] Each mandated Mass Vaxed World Leader suffered 5% drop in Polls with each dose of lies.
Dose of lies drop 5% > 2 doses of lies drop 10% > 3 doses of lies drop 15% > 4 doses of lies drop 20%
Highest vaxed world leaders popularity all dropped 60% >40% & some even dropped 40%
Some were outed others nervously re-elected on smaller 40% margin = (No worldwide Vax Mandate)

https://morningconsult.com/global-leader-approval/

Lower vaxed or non mandated national leaders kept same popularity rating & trust thru-out Rollout.
Including the most popular Low Vaxed leaders all averaging or climbing from 60% > 80%.
It's a no brainer : 40% difference in popularity from Casual Vax to Mandated Evil Mass Vax Maniacs.
World wants these Vax overlords out sooner than later...#1 reason no one Vaxes anymore!

Can double check that if you like....
Each mandated Dictator's Vaxed lie set back National Childhood inoculation program 5 years
1 dose of lies lost 5 years Vax > 2nd dose of lies lose 10 years > 3rd dose of lies = now 15 years behind.
Experts are backpedaling all gains to 2008...( All down to prioritizing the Great Mass Vax Race! )
https://www.who.int/news/item/15-07-2022-covid-19-pandemic-fuels-largest...

Amazing that VIP mass hypnosis skips around this perfumed shit pile...Wake up! Mass Vax is pure evil.
It you luv Vax then call out our Expert's lies before they destroy whatever trust left in Vaccines.

We are living thru the greatest Vaccine Crisis of our own making with up to 75% being wasted.
Enough Lies...man up & come up with a plan to mop up #1 Vax crime of all time!