COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 12:45pm
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or you and Craig and old-dog and V Local and all ya mates could stand up to what this shit show has been all along. You've paraded around supporting and defending the very thing that is screwing SG and now suggest small picture positive comments as the solution.... Brain explosion emoji.

No one ever said wishing someone stays safe is a solution. It's just a few words of support, that you can't bring yourself to give.

No big deal....you do you.

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Craig Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 12:41pm

You're a grub Shorty.

From the start of this whole thing my aim was to look out for the health and best interests for the community as a whole. Nothing else.

As the pandemic has evolved and the virus has mutated so has the science. Everything is 20/20 in hindsight but I tell you if you were in charge of a country of 25 million and chanced on taking on herd immunity by getting everyone infected and then totally overrunning the health system back in the early days you'd be crucified. Even if only the elderly died, the stress they'd put on the system wouldn't see it coping.

Looking back now some of the restrictions were over the top but this was a rapidly evolving and changing situation.

We all pulled together and made sacrifices. Now that we've got a less lethal variant and an idea on vaccine efficiency most have a clearer idea and choice regarding boosters etc. Mandates are being lifted, and we're slowly coming out of this.

To make me out to be part of the reason for hospitals to be overrun right now as well as workers being over stressed is cunty to say the least.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 1:01pm

Are hospitals being over-run? (That's the point of the thread) I didn't see SG's post. Visit to local hospital recently saw it busy, but trying to attain normality in the cancer treatments. It may have been where I picked it up.

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Rabbits68 Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 1:16pm
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You're a grub Shorty.

From the start of this whole thing my aim was to look out for the health and best interests for the community as a whole. Nothing else.

As the pandemic has evolved and the virus has mutated so has the science. Everything is 20/20 in hindsight but I tell you if you were in charge of a country of 25 million and chanced on taking on herd immunity by getting everyone infected and then totally overrunning the health system back in the early days you'd be crucified. Even if only the elderly died, the stress they'd put on the system wouldn't see it coping.

Looking back now some of the restrictions were over the top but this was a rapidly evolving and changing situation.

We all pulled together and made sacrifices. Now that we've got a less lethal variant and an idea on vaccine efficiency most have a clearer idea and choice regarding boosters etc. Mandates are being lifted, and we're slowly coming out of this.

To make me out to be part of the reason for hospitals to be overrun right now as well as workers being over stressed is cunty to say the least.

Exactly. Unfortunately the egomaniacs are blinded to this.

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garyg1412 Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 1:25pm
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This thread is worth the monthly subscription to Swellnet just for it's entertainment value alone. Yes there is a bit of surfing stuff going on, but comparing certain peoples views to Nazis and heroin junkies is the icing on the cake IMO. Absolute gold. To quote Hiccups "Fucking Idiots"

Here’s a story for you Gary.

A while back I decided to have a bit of a play on the share market. Nothing too serious, just playing around. Initially I made some money. Not through any skill, basically through luck. This inspired me to get more into it.

I started researching companies to the best of my ability. Self taught, delving into any avenue of learning I could get my hands on. After a while I believed I was getting a handle on things. Understanding the corporate jargon and the way companies develop potential. But I was not being as successful as I thought I should be. Before too long I realised that I was kidding myself. There was zero possibility I could sit on my computer and understand the internal workings of a company through the scant information available. I didn’t know the personalities of the people in charge, I didn’t know their motivations and i certainly didn’t know what was going on beneath the carefully crafted public veneer they presented to the world.

I knew nothing. This was an enlightening moment for me. Drop the ego and admit you’re a fucking kook. A funny thing happened on way to this revelation. I noticed that whilst I may not understand the workings of each company, as they were inherently unknowable to me, I could predict how the herd mentality of fellow ASX punters would react to various cues.

The way to make coin was to acknowledge that the ASX is like a poker game where the idea is to get the money off the other punters, not the house. You don’t have to know about the stocks, you just have to understand people and the way group think behaves. It wasn’t too hard to then recognise the signals indicating the sentiment of the herd and what triggers their buying and selling decisions. Perhaps the most reliable of these is the confidence gained by individuals when they see the thinking of the group coalesce around an idea. That’s why more people buy at the top and sell at the bottom….because that’s what everyone else is doing and so they are subconsciously outsourcing their decision making to what they believe is the surety of mass-belief.

I failed at understanding the machinations of the corporate world but I made enough money reading the mass stupidity of the hive mind to buy a house with cash.

Mass stupidity isn’t restricted to the ASX. It’s a society wide phenomenon. So when I start seeing people gather around a bit of information and the momentum of group think causes them to lose their ability to interpret the situation objectively I start paying extra vigilance to what’s unfolding. I’m not always right but when I see people in power saying something then contradicting it with their own behaviour, or when the things they say are lies and they know they are lying but the public starts to act as though these lies are inconsequential, I accept that the group think has taken over and it’s time to take a step back to get a clearer picture.

This group think is common between the way the truly stupid on this thread - the Roadkills, the VIC Locals and the Blindboys - and the German population who were led to believe that Jews were an existential threat to their community, to the point where they could publicly start baying for their persecution.

If you and Hiccups want to form a little brains trust to declare otherwise that’s fine. As far as I’m concerned you’re just lumping yourself in with the other brain dead clowns. Glad you’re getting a bit of entertainment out of the thread. I know I do. Though it’s mostly satisfaction watching the roll back of the mass psychosis which is leaving only the truly, determinedly dmb cnts left supporting the various ridiculous notions as we saw become widely accepted during the peak of the fucked up period of the covid era. The only real disappointment is that there appears to be a fair few people who still refuse to review just what unfolded during that time. The direction politics took was stunning and its concerning that people haven’t given this more thought now that the majority pressure to conform is waning.

No brains trust for clowns here mate. But if you want to talk about truly stupid, dumb cunt, brain dead clowns then the mustard cuts both ways. In fact if you substituted a few Swellnet user names in your little novella it could be all about all the other truly stupid, dumb cunt, brain dead clowns on here.
I agree with paying extra vigilance as to how this is all unfolding, and like you, I make decisions based on what I see and hear, and whatever influences my decisions is my personal choice.
But when a group of people continuously roll out their soap box and bang on about mostly vaccinated people getting infected with Covid, that 99.95878787% of people survive Covid, etc, etc then at some point they deserve the truly stupid, dumb cunt, brain dead clown tag they receive.
Then if you want to go one step lower than that tag, just start comparing people with a differing opinion to yourselves as Vichy collaborators or worse still heroin addicts. That there bloke is some truly stupid shit.

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garyg1412 Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 1:33pm
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You're a grub Shorty.

From the start of this whole thing my aim was to look out for the health and best interests for the community as a whole. Nothing else.

As the pandemic has evolved and the virus has mutated so has the science. Everything is 20/20 in hindsight but I tell you if you were in charge of a country of 25 million and chanced on taking on herd immunity by getting everyone infected and then totally overrunning the health system back in the early days you'd be crucified. Even if only the elderly died, the stress they'd put on the system wouldn't see it coping.

Looking back now some of the restrictions were over the top but this was a rapidly evolving and changing situation.

We all pulled together and made sacrifices. Now that we've got a less lethal variant and an idea on vaccine efficiency most have a clearer idea and choice regarding boosters etc. Mandates are being lifted, and we're slowly coming out of this.

To make me out to be part of the reason for hospitals to be overrun right now as well as workers being over stressed is cunty to say the least.

Craig this is exactly what I've been trying to say all along but my sarcasm keeps getting in the way. Pretty much sums it all up for the 99,8987565% of us that can understand it.

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shortenism Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 1:35pm

And there you go again dancing around the real issue of the impact of forced medical procedures. You're calling me a grub for calling you out for your on-going support and defence of this approach?

& crucified by who anyway? The media? Crucified for not subjecting your community to an experimental injection (without choice?). That's what happens with leadership. Leaders gotta lead.

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burleigh Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 1:48pm

The unvaccinated have been made scapegoats from the beginning of this pandemic. Told that we are selfish, its a pandemic of the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated are driving the covid cases etc etc
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY for 18 months + yet here we are. 3rd wave of covid with 95% vaccination.

We were locked out of society, employment, cafes, restaurants, pubs, and couldn't even travel between states.

Our mental health has suffered greatly, our relationships have suffered, Fuck i still cant get to certain countries for my business that are super important.

People that supported mandates and these HARSH over the top measures are moronic bedwetting sooks and you should be called out.

Now look where we are. 95% vaccianted and hospitals over flowing, staff shortages and nurses like SG fucking over it.

You should be fucking outraged that governments built quarantine jails instead of hospitals, they they spent billions of your dollars on this.

You should be fucking outragged that the government has purchased 160 million covid doses but tells you 2 jabs is fully vaccinated.

You should be fucking outraged that a fat fuck can abuse their body for 20+ years, have a heart attack with covid and be classed as a covid death completely forgetting to tell you the fat fuck had blocked arteries. Yet turn on ANY sport and it's sponsored by fast food. Even my kids footy team has maccas logos on the jersey.

Too much money involved to care about KFC ads all over the state of origin field. You should give a fuck about this.

Lots of harm done to everybody, not just SG. Thousands of small businesses bankrupted. What happens to these people? you should give a fuck.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 2:25pm

Craig - We were lied to from the very beginning about the lethality and severity of the disease. We were lied to by authorities about our options to deal with the virus. We were lied to about the vaccines from go to whoa.

The ensuing outcomes such as lockdowns, vaccine mandates/ coercion and the other litany of rules which made our communities unrecognisable were all the result of the lies. We didn’t “band together to beat the virus” , we were told bullshit in order to make the changes imposed on us palatable. If anyone perpetuated the lies and shouted down those who questioned the lies then they are useful idiots who make a bad situation worse.

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monkeyboy Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 2:37pm
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Craig - We were lied to from the very beginning about the lethality and severity of the disease. We were lied to by authorities about our options to deal with the virus. We were lied to about the vaccines from go to whoa.

The ensuing outcomes such as lockdowns, vaccine mandates/ coercion and the other litany of rules which made our communities unrecognisable were all the result of the lies. We didn’t “band together to beat the virus” , we were told bullshit in order to make the changes imposed on us palatable. If anyone perpetuated the lies and shouted down those who questioned the lies then they are useful idiots who make a bad situation worse.

...and because we laid down and obeyed our masters we have given our permission for it to happen again.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 3:24pm

au contraire monkeyboy, what I think has happened is rules are now optional, people are ropeable, governments are terrified of trying to enforce anything like them (Albo and masks in latest wave) or anything that is actually sensible in a historical context (foot & mouth). We all saw the 4x4s up at Ningaloo going wherever the fuck they wanted, selfishness now rules supreme, social media is justification. It's an intense, absolutely intense self-centredness and 'I'm alright Jack'. The idea of a community response to a pandemic is toast. I think we are without legislation that actually sees the health officers determine response early on in any future pandemic in Vic - pollies will decide what's popular. Big issue intervention to create a domestic gas supply - nope, way too big a deal to even consider. If you're part of a minority group (eg immune suppressed, or the 3-5% with big mortgages, small business in the face of collapsing consumer confidence) you get triaged and you're on your own. I gave up listening to any of them when they did that very abrupt about-face and just let it go, immediately after trying to control it. I've had some fun drives recently.
I think if they try anything like that again in the future it will be yellow vest time.
Covid, now it's out, we're going to get wave after wave of it and the waves are not automatically getting smaller as predicted. Deaths - if you believe any stats from anyone anymore are around 4000 in NSW and 4000 in Vic currently. The entire Vietnam war 1962-1972, which deeply divided Australian society, saw 500 service deaths.

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burleigh Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 3:41pm
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au contraire monkeyboy, what I think has happened is rules are now optional, people are ropeable, governments are terrified of trying to enforce anything like them (Albo and masks in latest wave) or anything that is actually sensible in a historical context (foot & mouth). We all saw the 4x4s up at Ningaloo going wherever the fuck they wanted, selfishness now rules supreme, social media is justification. It's an intense, absolutely intense self-centredness and 'I'm alright Jack'. The idea of a community response to a pandemic is toast. I think we are without legislation that actually sees the health officers determine response early on in any future pandemic in Vic - pollies will decide what's popular. Big issue intervention to create a domestic gas supply - nope, way too big a deal to even consider. If you're part of a minority group (eg immune suppressed, or the 3-5% with big mortgages, small business in the face of collapsing consumer confidence) you get triaged and you're on your own. I gave up listening to any of them when they did that very abrupt about-face and just let it go, immediately after trying to control it. I've had some fun drives recently.
I think if they try anything like that again in the future it will be yellow vest time.
Covid, now it's out, we're going to get wave after wave of it and the waves are not automatically getting smaller as predicted. Deaths - if you believe any stats from anyone anymore are around 4000 in NSW and 4000 in Vic currently. The entire Vietnam war 1962-1972, which deeply divided Australian society, saw 500 service deaths.

While your stats on deaths may be correct are threes extra deaths that would not have occurred? Seeming the average death age with covid is 83 or 85 I would think they are not extra deaths however deaths that would have happened but it just turns out they also had covid and that may have sped up the inevitable in the coming weeks or months.

People die.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 3:44pm

I don't disagree, maybe the stats are correct, maybe not, maybe co-morbidities too. It's pretty cold nonetheless, those are people with families but we've been desensitised.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 3:52pm

VJ…Whilst I fully commiserate with your plight I think you are overreacting. Covid is not necessarily a death sentence for the immune-compromised. I think it’s more the case that those on the precipice of death have their timelines brought forward. If you’re surfing you are not going to perish from covid.

Plus…I don’t believe there was or is a pandemic. I think there is a virus which spreads throughout the community but I don’t think the term pandemic is justified beyond its pedestrian application for influenza. Our nation should not have ever considered lockdown. We would never consider lockdowns for influenza and covid is not much worse with or without vaccines. This is the truth and has been the truth the whole time. It’s political, not a genuine medical emergency.

Forget your fear and live your life.

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truebluebasher Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:05pm

There is an outside possibility that the Public could be getting sold a pup!
Don't for a minute think tbb can't unearth Vax good news and vowed to do such.
Possibly & most likely only shit bored tbb would dig this crap up...however it sets the tone for today!

No! No & No! This wasn't on Breaky TV but it is bigger than all of their egos combined...(Maybe!)

Natcab Electioneering!
5th May 2022 natcab states teamed as one to ramp testing to peak at AEC [+] cut off date.
Warning! This data will transform any into a frothing Conspiracy Theorist...it's 100% compelling!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-ho...
Right! All on the same Page! tbb is not on acid & this did happen...All say Aye! But why?
Corruption? The reason was not political but logistical as AEC had growing Mass [+] Staff Shortage.
Recall we employed some Army dude to Orchestrate this Rollout as such...file it under War Games?
Natcab RBT nabbed 100,000's [+] & cleared as many Voters from soon record low Polling day.
Thus allowing AEC to close enough booths & muster a dad's army for often just one booth. Sorted!

It goes to show the power of Natcab to rig an election in plain site...media know nothing of this! Shh!
All know it's better to keep Dumbo up the back of our Freak Show Circus train.
Natcab interfered & altered electioneering in order to save AEC from itself! Massive untold Story!
Yes! Worthy of 4 corners but never gonna happen...all know this!

FF to now...tbb & Crew can rollout any number of diminishing unvaxed stats...but!
We all noticed the Unvaxed death stats don't fall as quick or easy as Unvaxed hospital / ICU stats...
Now that there is yer smoking gun...tbb argued > Are Unvaxed denied Health Care & die on the steps?

Now! We have called out this absurd fast declining Unvaxed Hospital ratio to slower Death count!
Both vaxed & unvaxed can assume something shady is going down...another Natcab hand of God?
Well! Lets see if we can gain access to the Star Chamber thru the Shark Tank...who's game?

All can see right now that Cases / Hospital Stats are being clipped as they climb...
Natcab seems hellbent on clipping, not so much cases but Hospital Peak from breaching Omicron Peak.
https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-hospitalised/aus
Sure sign of Leadership Fail...(Vax or not!) Albo + Premier's do not wanna wear this Crown.
It shows their desperate will & immediate concern is to first save their own arses...all else can wait.
It also shows they will direct all resource to their #1 cause...Defend the Holy Grail at all cost!

If tbb was a half decent evil expert as bad arse as ours...(Impossible!) This is wot would go down!
* Commence standard End of the World Panic to shift $6b wasted pile of 75% near expired Vax (Tick!)
* Have Senior ranked Premier of Outbreak to start proceedings early > 5th July (Tick!)
* Halve yer Testing to lowest possible case ratio...Too easy...did it ahead of ya! Really! Go Anna! (Tick)
* Engage Private Hospitals for something more sinister! (Tick!)
* Treat unvaxed in Private Wards to keep VIP troops clean & happy...so sneaky-luv it! ...C'mon! (Tick me!)
* Private Home Patients / Hospitals need not count as State Health Patients...that's brilliant (Mass Tick!)
* This shaves off the peak from breaching Omicron Peak = No Vax Policy Failure (Huge Win-Tick for Me!)
* Cushion rising Vaxed Data by misconstruing % Rates & dusting off the Wayback Death Machine (Tick!)
* State Coroner records unvaxed deaths as high/higher above unvaxed rate! (Classic ending-Tears-Tick!)
All say Aye! Business as usual...Sign Here! (Mass Vax Crisis diverted for another week or 4 days!)

Main aim of the Game is to cover our eyes while Godzilla chews thru our Aussie Hospitals!

Crew know wot tbb is saying...Govts could be exploiting Testing / Private Unvaxed to curb Sticky Peak.
tbb's home state laughs off Vax data, it makes sense for Qld to stick the first pin into the Voodoo doll.
5th July Anna Stabbed the poor thing right the way thru...geez! Anna don't muck around will ya! Brutal!
Please do check this above as it defies belief in Health System...not about us...saving their own arses!
Sticky date recipe -Cases 10k >20k (vs) Testing 20k >10k...starved the beast...Turn on yer Telly! Score!
'Go on...Check my Hospital Score!'.... Crisis Diverted! Hi 5's All Round...every kiddie gets a prize!

Lowest tests ratio > Lowers cases > Private Health lowers patient data...
Qld > Vic > ACT = Lowered testing to widest -poorest Test/Case ratio of Pandemic! = (Sold us out!)
Not realistic or healthy in current climate...obvious slap in the face rort to lower their record Outbreak!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-ho...

They seem to be relaying set quotas to juggle each state peak to balance #1 Holy Grail from spilling.
Explains Case / Hospital Data slowdown amidst panic & ultra low Unvaxed Ward showing...
Just saying...they have done this before & would do this again & again in a heartbeat to save face!
Also natcab meet twice a week and agree on everything quicker & Hospital Peak is the Holy Grail.

tbb is Not Anti Vax or Pro No Vax...just yer everyday lame can of worms opener!
Only trying to slow the rot to save our lot ...Vaxed/Unvaxed...All in this together!
Can believe wot ya like ...just sharing wot Natcab secrets are going down...by hook or crook!
Only coz our MSM are on the take & refuse to even mention our Star Chamber! (So Scary...Shaking!)

Crew can argue if we're gettin' played...only know they can't hold out forever as our luck runs out soon!
Happy to share such nonsense...only wish tbb could present something less stupid from the Top.
This is our lot for now! Cheer on our trusted gallant Natcab fighting the Dragon of their own fairytale.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 3:56pm
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I don't disagree, maybe the stats are correct, maybe not, maybe co-morbidities too. It's pretty cold nonetheless, those are people with families but we've been desensitised.

We have not been desensitised. We have been OVERSENSITISED to the health outcomes of one particular health issue out of all the health issues known to humanity. We shut our entire lives down for Christ’s sake. We were forced to hide in our homes as though Armageddon was imminent. It is all a lie. Take your mask off and go enjoy your life. Living in fear is not living. Putting your life on hold because of fear is not living. One day you will be dying for real and you’ll look back with utter regret at the days wasted cowering because of this political bullshit.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:04pm

Here's one for you tbb
Chris Billington has introduced a 'SIR' chart which differs to the regular chart with different input parameters:

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_NSW.html

NSW as example. SIR chart assumes only catching about 1/3 of infections, but assumes some form of built up immunity/adoption of different behaviours. In current wave, the regular and SIR charts show very different R(Eff) paths. Wonder which will prove more accurate?

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:22pm

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

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truebluebasher Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:26pm

velocityjohnno is right to share such...1/3 across all states can be seen in the test / case data.
It's more about Star Chamber exploiting Testing to politicize Health Outcomes for own survival.

They can raise or lower Covid outbreaks to shape fellow Leader's Polls...that there, crosses the line!
They will...if need be, rig state election outbreaks if it suits them & for wot secret unchecked trade offs.
New Star chamber has untold powers that can pick & choose the next leader of Oz State or Nation!
Needs to be a separation of Powers for Health to reclaim their data from this Goon Squad Gameboard.

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burleigh Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:26pm
velocityjohnno wrote:

I don't disagree, maybe the stats are correct, maybe not, maybe co-morbidities too. It's pretty cold nonetheless, those are people with families but we've been desensitised.

Desensitised? 2 years of “covid deaths” shoved down out throats have over sensitised us.

Every death read out by premiers giving their condolences on live TV.

Yet i have seen no evidence of an increase in deaths.

So if we’re not seeing an increase in yearly deaths, are we really in a pandemic?

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burleigh Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:27pm
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We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Never lied too? Hahahahahahahahaha crawl back in your hole toady

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:34pm
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We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Never lied too? Hahahahahahahahaha crawl back in your hole toady

From the outset we were never lied to. Is what I said. When it all started decisions were made with the current info available.

I didn’t say no lies were told. That you fail to grasp what I said is no surprise.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:36pm
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velocityjohnno wrote:

I don't disagree, maybe the stats are correct, maybe not, maybe co-morbidities too. It's pretty cold nonetheless, those are people with families but we've been desensitised.

We have not been desensitised. We have been OVERSENSITISED to the health outcomes of one particular health issue out of all the health issues known to humanity. We shut our entire lives down for Christ’s sake. We were forced to hide in our homes as though Armageddon was imminent. It is all a lie. Take your mask off and go enjoy your life. Living in fear is not living. Putting your life on hold because of fear is not living. One day you will be dying for real and you’ll look back with utter regret at the days wasted cowering because of this political bullshit.

You are conflating deaths being fobbed off as statistics (what I meant by 'desensitised'; desensitised to a loss of human life) with an individual's response to onerous impositions upon them. I do not disagree with your assertion to live one's life, or that regret may form looking back at the end of it if one doesn't do the things they might have wanted to. Interestingly I was 1 day off hitting the road for WA when I got infected; that trip will happen in a bit as I still have to organise ongoing treatment. Fun times. Total freedom, don't have to be anywhere but where I want to. yip yip

Re death: you ever had a close call blowin? Like touch and go? It's funny the times when I have, what I yearned for was more of the normal days where one sees their family, is happy with them, in normal settings, you know, the day to day stuff. All the travel and raising the kids doing this is just icing on the cake.

Agree also that it was/is political bullshit, they have burned any remaining stock they had here, will never listen to them again for life.

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burleigh Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:38pm
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We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Never lied too? Hahahahahahahahaha crawl back in your hole toady

From the outset we were never lied to. Is what I said. When it all started decisions were made with the current info available.

I didn’t say no lies were told. That you fail to grasp what I said is no surprise.

You were so brainwashed you believed if your mother caught covid and died from an unvaccinated person you could hold them responsible for her death.

You’re an absolute fruitloop and the last person anyone should listen to about covid

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:39pm
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velocityjohnno is right to share such...1/3 across all states can be seen in the test / case data.
It's more about Star Chamber exploiting Testing to politicize Health Outcomes for own survival.

They can raise or lower Covid outbreaks to shape fellow Leader's Polls...that there, crosses the line!
They will...if need be, rig state election outbreaks if it suits them & for wot secret unchecked trade offs.
New Star chamber has untold powers that can pick & choose the next leader of Oz State or Nation!
Needs to be a separation of Powers for Health to reclaim their data from this Goon Squad Gameboard.

outbreak in a local area for a by election, try that pollsters :)

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:53pm
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Rubbish.

From day one we were told to expect an unprecedented Spanish Flu situation which was causing healthy Chinese people cruising down streets to spontaneously keel over dead. These are the images which bolstered the concept of everything which followed from lockdowns to enforced vaccinations.

These images were fraudulent and the control measures which followed were fraudulent. Officials knew at the time that anyone not on the precipice of death was almost guaranteed to suffer nothing worse than a transient illness. The official narrative was to make everyone believe that they were all equally vulnerable and then the narrative switched to conjure personal responsibility if any member of society died of the specifically promoted illness.

People love to try and claim that the ( fraudulently established) covid death rate is ALMOST the number one killer in Australia. They bust a gut to emphasise how terrible covid must be according to this metric. What they fail to mention is that Australia’s number one killer is eminently preventable for most people. Less strident measures could be taken by government to prevent almost all of the Number 1 killer deaths than were enforced to prevent covid. But these measures aren’t even promoted as a possible lifestyle alternative by the government. This shows, in no uncertain terms, just how politicised the covid HOAX is. When there’s an illness killing more people and it’s completely overlooked, whist Covid is used as justification for shutting down the lives of every single person and forcing them to hide in their homes until the government gives them permission to emerge….you know you’ve been had big time!

I’ll believe covid is serious when the government starts giving a single fuck about the preventable illness’s such as heart disease and diabetes which have killed millions and millions of Australians. Until then the entire “government concern- no ask is too great to save a single life” schtick is so transparent and fake that it’s embarrassing.

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Roadkill Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 4:56pm

It’s not a hoax, it’s a HOAX.

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Stok Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 5:00pm

Hope you realise the sensationalism seen in the early days of covid were trumpeted from the same trashmedia sources which have since flipped and led the anti-science/anti-gov propaganda which you're obviously well acquainted with.

The decisions to inact emergency measures were not based on this at all, contrary to you I'll informed, grossly ovetsimplefied world view.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 5:01pm
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VJ…Whilst I fully commiserate with your plight I think you are overreacting. Covid is not necessarily a death sentence for the immune-compromised. I think it’s more the case that those on the precipice of death have their timelines brought forward. If you’re surfing you are not going to perish from covid.

Plus…I don’t believe there was or is a pandemic. I think there is a virus which spreads throughout the community but I don’t think the term pandemic is justified beyond its pedestrian application for influenza. Our nation should not have ever considered lockdown. We would never consider lockdowns for influenza and covid is not much worse with or without vaccines. This is the truth and has been the truth the whole time. It’s political, not a genuine medical emergency.

Forget your fear and live your life.

thank you for this, only just seen it. It is true I have survived an infection, so there's that, so you are correct.
I think there's a little more to it than just a virus (and these are personal views, nobody take them as fact) - I think it had nefarious origins so I didn't wish it in my body, or to rip through my community and the young who had yet to have children - same for vaccines. I took in info like a sponge early on (the tb insert...) During the precursor SARS, my father caught that and was put on a ventilator (he was hallucinating spiders coming out of the ceiling when he came out of the induced coma) and SARS was a similar coronavirus.
In terms of how I experienced it, there was a little more to it than normal - like experiencing multiple vectors of what flus can do, all at once but I was very calm, sat around meditating to be honest, when not lying in bed and watching The Big Lez show. Temps fell after 3 days.

Did I over-react? I don't think so, given regular flus tend to spur the immune system and then burst blood cells. Pissing blood with a flu is not fun: but due to treatment that no longer happens, thank fuck. Could it with covid, who knew? Death sentence? 4 weeks in ICU before, I've experienced that before and I'm in no hurry to do so again. There's a moment when you decide to live when in such an experience, glad I had mine and that was beautiful, visually so beautiful.

Living in fear... the only concern I have presently is a wondering if my body is aging for the surf. I'm a bit younger than you. I've been Peter Pan for 25 years... They say 35 to 45 is the peak of performance, I am wondering if that nexus of experience and strength/power can be extended.
Having had it is like lifting of the 'what if' veil. I disagree with you, I think the response initially was correct and was in line with what health authorities were supposed to do in a pandemic (ie in law and written long ago as such). It will now keep coming back and mutating and if it does have nefarious origins, people are going to cop a lot of it and that's not ideal for their bodies.

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burleigh Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 5:19pm
Stok wrote:

Hope you realise the sensationalism seen in the early days of covid were trumpeted from the same trashmedia sources which have since flipped and led the anti-science/anti-gov propaganda which you're obviously well acquainted with.

The decisions to inact emergency measures were not based on this at all, contrary to you I'll informed, grossly ovetsimplefied world view.

Here he is.

Dan Andrew’s number one knob jockey.

Cheered on the world longest lockdown and now what?

Dopey of the year

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bonza Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 5:28pm
Stok wrote:

Hope you realise the sensationalism seen in the early days of covid were trumpeted from the same trashmedia sources which have since flipped and led the anti-science/anti-gov propaganda which you're obviously well acquainted with.

The decisions to inact emergency measures were not based on this at all, contrary to you I'll informed, grossly ovetsimplefied world view.

like this? https://twitter.com/Dave_Brophy/status/1246928895913287680/photo/1

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sypkan Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 6:19pm

"au contraire monkeyboy, what I think has happened is rules are now optional, people are ropeable, governments are terrified of trying to enforce anything like them (Albo and masks in latest wave) or anything that is actually sensible in a historical context (foot & mouth)..."

yep, the tentativeness of those in authority this time round is palpable to say the least... perhaps appropritely so...

but a little concerning to say the least...

"...We all saw the 4x4s up at Ningaloo going wherever the fuck they wanted, selfishness now rules supreme, social media is justification. It's an intense, absolutely intense self-centredness and 'I'm alright Jack'. The idea of a community response to a pandemic is toast..."

totally!

but the self centredness wasn't totally unfostered...

public good will squandered on a massive scale!

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sypkan Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 6:33pm

"...Agree also that it was/is political bullshit, they have burned any remaining stock they had here, will never listen to them again for life."

scary to think well educated conservative (moderate not political) intelligent people can feel like this, after such a supposedly 'uniting' experience such as the 'pandemic' we just went through...

joe public is scarred and scorned

moderate, well educated, often the voice of reason joe public

big big lessons for the forever deplorable basketing stoks of the world in there...

such a divided future is truly frightening

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Snuffy Smith Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 7:11pm
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Right now Roadkill is basically the Good German in late 1945. He’s just spent the past few years dobbing in Jews to the authorities and spreading as much anti-Semitic filth as he possibly can. Now that Germany is losing the war he’s starting to say - “ The science on Jews being the root of all evil has changed. A level headed person recognises when it’s time to think about not feeding them into the gas chambers.”

Then he makes snide comments about people who said he shouldn’t be killing people over religion in the first place.

?????

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velocityjohnno Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 8:07pm

Just thought I'd throw this in here.

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Alana_a Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 8:12pm
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Want are you talking about ?? Jesus Christ mate do you honestly believe that their are people out there that do not know exactly where this virus started? ? It’s been a cover up from day 1. Cover up/ lie, who gives a stuff , it’s still dishonest
Do you not think that the smartest * scientist in the world couldnt determine that after taking a vaccine we were fully protected? I’d give them one day if that to work out. So why come out and say we were when we were not
So if they lied about that then what’s to say they’re not lying when they be carry on saying it’s safe for 6month olds and above?
The lies are never ending , they’re staring you straight in the face. Fk knows why you can’t see it. You and your mates have shitted me the whole way through it. So smug.
Credit to ya. I guess.

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troppo dichotomy Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 8:33pm

Through the pandemic I've been out buying booze,surf boards,wax n condoms(yes in that exact order) whilst the public started panic buying and stock piling freaking toilet paper?
Toilet paper,that one i didn't see coming?I don't use it
but it did make me realize how full of shit people are!

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Snuffy Smith Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 9:34pm
Alana_a wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Want are you talking about ?? Jesus Christ mate do you honestly believe that their are people out there that do not know exactly where this virus started? ? It’s been a cover up from day 1. Cover up/ lie, who gives a stuff , it’s still dishonest
Do you not think that the smartest * scientist in the world couldnt determine that after taking a vaccine we were fully protected? I’d give them one day if that to work out. So why come out and say we were when we were not
So if they lied about that then what’s to say they’re not lying when they be carry on saying it’s safe for 6month olds and above?
The lies are never ending , they’re staring you straight in the face. Fk knows why you can’t see it. You and your mates have shitted me the whole way through it. So smug.
Credit to ya. I guess.

It hasn't even started yet the horror is coming.Get stuff done while you can the last couple of years have been a cakewalk.

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AndyM Friday, 22 Jul 2022 at 9:41pm
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https://twitter.com/NBCNewYork/status/1550164891142602752

Just thought I'd throw this in here.

It’s alright VJ, if you’ve got a healthy immune system you’ve got nothing to worry about.
Anything else is fear mongering.

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Roadkill Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 6:35am
Alana_a wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Want are you talking about ?? Jesus Christ mate do you honestly believe that their are people out there that do not know exactly where this virus started? ? It’s been a cover up from day 1. Cover up/ lie, who gives a stuff , it’s still dishonest
Do you not think that the smartest * scientist in the world couldnt determine that after taking a vaccine we were fully protected? I’d give them one day if that to work out. So why come out and say we were when we were not
So if they lied about that then what’s to say they’re not lying when they be carry on saying it’s safe for 6month olds and above?
The lies are never ending , they’re staring you straight in the face. Fk knows why you can’t see it. You and your mates have shitted me the whole way through it. So smug.
Credit to ya. I guess.

Draw a timeline, ya village idiot. Then at least try and understand how things started and changed over the next few years.

Just to help you, the WHO declared covid a worldwide pandemic on 11 March 2020.

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Alana_a Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 6:35am
Snuffy Smith wrote:
Alana_a wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Want are you talking about ?? Jesus Christ mate do you honestly believe that their are people out there that do not know exactly where this virus started? ? It’s been a cover up from day 1. Cover up/ lie, who gives a stuff , it’s still dishonest
Do you not think that the smartest * scientist in the world couldnt determine that after taking a vaccine we were fully protected? I’d give them one day if that to work out. So why come out and say we were when we were not
So if they lied about that then what’s to say they’re not lying when they be carry on saying it’s safe for 6month olds and above?
The lies are never ending , they’re staring you straight in the face. Fk knows why you can’t see it. You and your mates have shitted me the whole way through it. So smug.
Credit to ya. I guess.

It hasn't even started yet the horror is coming.Get stuff done while you can the last couple of years have been a cakewalk.

Nah nah I’m just pointing out a few things to a bloke who’s ignorantly held the same line the whole way through and he’s not the only one. You’re in there too. Then he has the audacity the other day to claim he’s actually one of very few on here that’s made concessions along the way. Fkn lol.

It’s all good snuff, it’ll all blow over soon.

In a strange way I’m glad I lived through a pandemic* like this. I’m not ashamed to say it’s wised me up.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Alana_a Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 6:37am
Roadkill wrote:
Alana_a wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Want are you talking about ?? Jesus Christ mate do you honestly believe that their are people out there that do not know exactly where this virus started? ? It’s been a cover up from day 1. Cover up/ lie, who gives a stuff , it’s still dishonest
Do you not think that the smartest * scientist in the world couldnt determine that after taking a vaccine we were fully protected? I’d give them one day if that to work out. So why come out and say we were when we were not
So if they lied about that then what’s to say they’re not lying when they be carry on saying it’s safe for 6month olds and above?
The lies are never ending , they’re staring you straight in the face. Fk knows why you can’t see it. You and your mates have shitted me the whole way through it. So smug.
Credit to ya. I guess.

Draw a timeline, ya village idiot. Then at least try and understand how things started and changed over the next few years.

Just to help you, the WHO declared covid a worldwide pandemic on 11 March 2020.

So what?

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Alana_a Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 6:43am

I e just drawn one roady and looking at the data from the Swellnet forum.. we can conclude you’ve had your head up your arse the whole way through

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burleigh Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 7:44am

I liked it when roadkill referred to himself as level headed.

What a warped human.

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Roadkill Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 8:10am
Alana_a wrote:
Snuffy Smith wrote:
Alana_a wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

We were never lied to from day 1. Decisions were made based off current info and certain desired outcomes. Public health was of paramount concern when the whole show started. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

Want are you talking about ?? Jesus Christ mate do you honestly believe that their are people out there that do not know exactly where this virus started? ? It’s been a cover up from day 1. Cover up/ lie, who gives a stuff , it’s still dishonest
Do you not think that the smartest * scientist in the world couldnt determine that after taking a vaccine we were fully protected? I’d give them one day if that to work out. So why come out and say we were when we were not
So if they lied about that then what’s to say they’re not lying when they be carry on saying it’s safe for 6month olds and above?
The lies are never ending , they’re staring you straight in the face. Fk knows why you can’t see it. You and your mates have shitted me the whole way through it. So smug.
Credit to ya. I guess.

It hasn't even started yet the horror is coming.Get stuff done while you can the last couple of years have been a cakewalk.

Nah nah I’m just pointing out a few things to a bloke who’s ignorantly held the same line the whole way through and he’s not the only one. You’re in there too. Then he has the audacity the other day to claim he’s actually one of very few on here that’s made concessions along the way. Fkn lol.

It’s all good snuff, it’ll all blow over soon.

In a strange way I’m glad I lived through a pandemic* like this. I’m not ashamed to say it’s wised me up.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

“I’m not ashamed to say it’s wised me up.”

Coming off such a low base, not too much to be proud of.

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Alana_a Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 8:39am

Good on ya mate, keep advocating to keep people from seeing their loved ones whilst they pass away alone.

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GuySmiley Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 12:50pm

A you can’t argue against this article for the let it rip crowd

https://www.theage.com.au/national/grandmother-hypothesis-revisited-the-...

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Alana_a Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 1:31pm

No doubt GS.
But what was the advice / alternatives to treat the illness? Bugger all info at all at the time and doctors who suggested out of the box treatments were threatened with de rego. It’s mellowed now and it’s great to see the elderly out and about more but I can guarantee there’s still a considerable amount who will live out the rest of lives locked in doors such was the amount of fear mongering coming from the tvs and radio.
It’s quiet clear now that the abuse or desensitisation of the elder has been going on way before COVID came around.
To link anti vaxers to not giving a Fk about the elderly is a long stretch of the bow.

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sypkan Saturday, 23 Jul 2022 at 2:03pm

first comment to come up on that article sums it up...

"So, people over 50 may have some value to the rest of the community. Wow. Who knew?"

https://www.theage.com.au/national/grandmother-hypothesis-revisited-the-...
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a certain side of politics has spent recent decades demonising 'old white dudes' incessantly ... with some fall out no doubt falling on old white dudettes...

they have also gone hard dismantling the family unit, 'the nuclear family', and a heap of other institutions...

the modern western world has little respect for old people - whereas in asian cultures, rich or poor, there is the utmost respect for their elders, and they are valued and cared for appropriately, for the wisdom of age as much as anything else...

yes, old people have had way too much pull in the past, (and baby boomers have way too much money and self interested sway in politics...)

...or moreso, in the recent past, young people's concerns and idealism have been far too readily dismissed... but those days are well passed...

we now have a hollywood culture (of uber wokester, corona fear peddlng faucci lovers ironically) totally obsessed with youth, to the point of being perverse... and young people are now also greatly empowered with the growth of the 'digital natives' and 'digital immigrants' divide forever gaining pace, ...to the point where anyone over 50 was thrown on the scrap heap... not so long ago...

one great benefit of the post corona / 'nativist' movement full employment revolution, is oldies can actually get a job now, and their worth has found new appreciation ...only through neccesity!

our current thinking and predicament has many catalysts, and sadly, the genie will probably never go back in the bottle

it doesn't have to be 'let her rip' versus full blown authoritarian nanny state...

asian cultures, and many poorer nations, have dealt with covid with great success and respect, with sparse resources, not over the top nanny state-ness, and, not with an elderly population locked away in old person home corona incubators...

whilst I agree with much sentiment in the article, it also comes from a very narrow, cherry picked insular australian perspective

it's been a long road to here, with many 'developments' contributing to our 'fuck you, Im alright jack' attitudes, not least the re-pogramming of neoliberalism - from both sides of politics! - and all hat that brings...

sadly, I believe it now almost impossible to undo these 'developments'. and know that most of our current supposedly overloaded hospital woes, are more the result of under investment, over the top migration, the private health system lobbyists, and some really poor channeling of investment post the spawning of corona...

it really ain't that bad... now... but some have a narrative they are so so heavily invested in, they will just continue to sell it...

regardless

of anything!