COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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sypkan Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:15pm

yeh, peter daszak's lancet letter

now there's some high calibre credible work...

what a journal!

above reproach

not to mention various bogus studies...

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Supafreak Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:21pm

@sypkan , can you hear crickets ?

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sypkan Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:26pm

I see zerohedge didn't make The Authority's shitlist of unapproved sites

so...

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/who-crushes-biden-covid-plan-says-no-...

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sypkan Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:25pm

WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan said Tuesday that "there is no evidence right now that healthy children or adolescents need boosters. No evidence at all."

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burleigh Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:33pm

WHO also doesn’t recommend vaccinating kids under 12.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-can-take-the-pf...

“There are currently no efficacy or safety data for children below the age of 12 years. Until such data are available, individuals below 12 years of age should not be routinely vaccinated.”

Do we listen to these experts Vic?

Or just the experts you choose?

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Supafreak Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:31pm

@sypkan , it actually doesn’t matter where the link comes from, it could be nature or science or BMJ, if it doesn’t fall in line with dr dicks stinking thinking then a bucket of abuse will follow . Shit , lets be real he doesn’t actually read or listen to any of the links, just rants and runs around like a headless henny penny .

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Vic Local Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:33pm

"I see zerohedge didn't make The... shitlist"
An accidental omission.
If you go to zero hedge for your medical information, you're a fucking moron. It's like going to a shaman to help with your golf swing.

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sypkan Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:34pm
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@sypkan , can you hear crickets ?

again...

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Supafreak Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:38pm

Just a “happy go lucky fellow “is how dr dick descibes himself , that one gave me a good giggle .

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sypkan Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:38pm

the WHO is the WHO, no matter who is running the vids...

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burleigh Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 9:49pm
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the WHO is the WHO, no matter who is running the vids...

https://youtu.be/oIa0hAimtfU

Shhhh, not these experts. Just the ones dickVocal hand picks from Australian politics.

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bonza Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 10:07pm
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WHO also doesn’t recommend vaccinating kids under 12.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-can-take-the-pf...

“There are currently no efficacy or safety data for children below the age of 12 years. Until such data are available, individuals below 12 years of age should not be routinely vaccinated.”

Wow.
And follows on from supa’s link today to the bmj

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o108

Definitely a diversion within or from the experts and or their communication around this atm.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 10:44pm

COVID patients are crossing state and international lines to get treatment from this Houston doctor. https://abc13.com/dr-joseph-varon-covid-treatments-houston-hospital-iver.... Same guy stok , still going. How different it could have been if the health authorities tried Borody’s formula .

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saltyone Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 10:40pm

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/WCH-At-Home...

For those who are going through it and feeling sick this might be helpful.

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Stok Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 10:55pm

Alright residents of clowntown, a sure sign that you gullible fools shouldn't be trusted is this:

The backbone of your feeble, anti vax, far right, anti gov narrative is that the experts have sold out and this is all some giant conspiracy. Now, you may believe it's about bowing down to lord big pharma, or you may think it's a way to sneak in communism or turn us into the new north Korea.

But, all of a sudden, when someone on your social network of fucking idiotic grifters shares a link to a WHO article with a short paragraph that seemingly matches YOUR narrative, all of a sudden the experts are right, we should listen.

Now, I'm no expert myself, so I can't explain why ATAGI, which is made up of a group of actual professors in relevant fields, have released their position stating vaccines are safe for 5-11yr olds due to a number of clinical study results, and this WHO article shared by Chief Clown Burleigh states something to the contrary.

But you know what, and this is fucking key so listen in, not everything in science needs to make perfect sense. Not everyone agrees, not everyone has the confidence or feels the evidence is strong enough to take a position. ATAGI do feel confident, so that's where we're at.

You see, anti vaxxers are inherently scared and anxious. The real world is too chaotic and scary for their liking. They don't want to make small sacrifices and changes in their lives, and they're scared of needles. So they'll happily accept a narrative that makes it seem there is someone out there in control, and they're evil, and they want to jab you and your kids. This puts the anti vaxxer at ease, because now they have an imaginary enemy they can demonise and fight against. This enemy, of course, is scientific experts.

So, unlike you clowns, I'm happily understanding the bounds of my own knowledge, and understanding that this pandemic is a natural disaster which the scientific world scrambled to fight back against. It doesn't all line up, and it doesn't have to. We have people who've committed their whole lives to infectious diseases and vaccinations providing recommendations. It's the best bet we have.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 11:04pm

@stok , do you have kids ?

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Stok Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 11:06pm

Side note:

Wonder if there's a forum somewhere around the world, for say infection control experts, and there's a long running, much debated top about surfing? Maybe they debate the merits of using a ski at Kirra, or the politics of getting a wave as a Haole in Hawaii? Maybe when to use a quad or thruster?

And they're like:
"Look I've never surfed before, know nothing about it, but this article on The Inertia said foils are actually cool!"

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Supafreak Wednesday, 19 Jan 2022 at 11:20pm
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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:03am
Stok wrote:

Alright residents of clowntown, a sure sign that you gullible fools shouldn't be trusted is this:

The backbone of your feeble, anti vax, far right, anti gov narrative is that the experts have sold out and this is all some giant conspiracy. Now, you may believe it's about bowing down to lord big pharma, or you may think it's a way to sneak in communism or turn us into the new north Korea.

But, all of a sudden, when someone on your social network of fucking idiotic grifters shares a link to a WHO article with a short paragraph that seemingly matches YOUR narrative, all of a sudden the experts are right, we should listen.

Now, I'm no expert myself, so I can't explain why ATAGI, which is made up of a group of actual professors in relevant fields, have released their position stating vaccines are safe for 5-11yr olds due to a number of clinical study results, and this WHO article shared by Chief Clown Burleigh states something to the contrary.

But you know what, and this is fucking key so listen in, not everything in science needs to make perfect sense. Not everyone agrees, not everyone has the confidence or feels the evidence is strong enough to take a position. ATAGI do feel confident, so that's where we're at.

You see, anti vaxxers are inherently scared and anxious. The real world is too chaotic and scary for their liking. They don't want to make small sacrifices and changes in their lives, and they're scared of needles. So they'll happily accept a narrative that makes it seem there is someone out there in control, and they're evil, and they want to jab you and your kids. This puts the anti vaxxer at ease, because now they have an imaginary enemy they can demonise and fight against. This enemy, of course, is scientific experts.

So, unlike you clowns, I'm happily understanding the bounds of my own knowledge, and understanding that this pandemic is a natural disaster which the scientific world scrambled to fight back against. It doesn't all line up, and it doesn't have to. We have people who've committed their whole lives to infectious diseases and vaccinations providing recommendations. It's the best bet we have.

I'll ignore most of this, as stok-man is clearly all irate and triggered up, and pulling every lame-arse trick in the book to tar all with the same lame-arse labels and miserable accustions that we've all endured and been over a million times...

but I'll point out this...

"Now, I'm no expert myself, so I can't explain why ATAGI, which is made up of a group of actual professors in relevant fields, have released their position stating vaccines are safe for 5-11yr olds due to a number of clinical study results, and this WHO article shared by Chief Clown Burleigh states something to the contrary."

just because ATAGI recommends something as 'safe for 5 to 11 year olds' doesn't mean the best science recommends it as the best practice...

it clearly appears to be a desperate manoeuvre (and play on semantics) for various governments who have decided to go it alone, as pointed out in the zerohedge article...

"The Chief Scientist of the World Health Organization has just crushed what little credibility the Biden administration's COVID response team had by confirming what most parents' common-sense already told them - that there is no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

'need' and 'safe' are two different things

several high level staff have already left the US CDC because they didn't like biden and co. over riding the best advice

now it would seem australia is just following the US and Israels lead, in an attempt to 'boost themselves out of the pandemic', which the WHO has also raised as a problem...

so the point is, the science is not settled, there are a range of opinions, and it would seem the need for vaccinating kids is most certainly not agreed upon

so maybe just open that mind a little... and maybe tone down the misplaced moral indignation and name calling and possibly make an attempt to respect other's positions...

to be fair, the WHO has wider priorities with some of these statements, but the advice given re. kids in the WHO breifing vid above is pretty bloody non ambiguous...

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bluediamond Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:54am

@stok said 'You see, anti vaxxers are inherently scared and anxious. The real world is too chaotic and scary for their liking. They don't want to make small sacrifices and changes in their lives, and they're scared of needles. So they'll happily accept a narrative that makes it seem there is someone out there in control, and they're evil, and they want to jab you and your kids. This puts the anti vaxxer at ease, because now they have an imaginary enemy they can demonise and fight against. This enemy, of course, is scientific experts."
Stok you talk alot of shit,. I'm none of that above, just wary about bullshit, just like what you're continuously posting.
Jam your stereotyping and categorizing up your clacker mate.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 6:45am

LONDON -- Face masks will no longer be mandatory in public places and schools in England and COVID-19 passports will be dropped for large events as infections level off in large parts of the country, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said Wednesday.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/u-k-lifts-covid-19-restriction...

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 6:57am

No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

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Vic Local Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:16am

Anti-vax hero Novax Joker-vic is in the news. Wow. I mean wow. Looks like someone with a good backhand wants everyone to get covid.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/novak-djokovic-stake-biote...

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:24am
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Anti-vax hero Novax Joker-vic is in the news. Wow. I mean wow. Looks like someone with a good backhand wants everyone to get covid.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/novak-djokovic-stake-biote...

It’s a treatment not a vax…no money in healthy people. Gotta love a sicko to treat and bill and treat and bill and treat and bill.

Maybe, burleigh, sypkan, bd, sf, snowflake etc etc could put their hands up to be part of the trial. That is one way to help their hero.

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monkeyboy Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:30am

England has dropped all restrictions from Jan 26 (aside from health worker mandates).
This includes ending Vaccine passports, mask mandates.

Ah - just saw already posted. Cool.

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Vic Local wrote:

Anti-vax hero Novax Joker-vic is in the news. Wow. I mean wow. Looks like someone with a good backhand wants everyone to get covid.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/novak-djokovic-stake-biote...

Reply to all the other posts. Never heard you so quiet.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:37am

So now Novak is my hero ? Wow roadill making more shit up everyday confirming to everyone how dumb he is . The cafe statement will go down as the all time dumbest thing anybody could come up with. 0-FEB10-B8-3030-4972-9598-1-C2-CCBE254-BA Time for a surf

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:49am

Burleigh, demanding replies is funny…

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:51am
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So now Novak is my hero ? Wow roadill making more shit up everyday confirming to everyone how dumb he is . The cafe statement will go down as the all time dumbest thing anybody could come up with. 0-FEB10-B8-3030-4972-9598-1-C2-CCBE254-BA Time for a surf

I get it, sf. When you don’t understand something, It was way above your level of comprehension, that is not my problem though.

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Craig Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:54am
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235 cases everywhere between Port, Kempsey, Nambucca Valley, Bellingen shire and Coffs to Grafton today, the sky is falling in.
It’s the pandemic of the vaxed in the cities.

Robo, 344 just in the Tweed yesterday, 1,099 in Northern NSW. So your numbers are out.

*Likely a touch under this as there's a mix of RAT's and PCR from the same cases there.

And TD, no idea.

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brutus Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:54am

meanwhile ...Victoria's health system going into meltdown......getting worse everyday.....people will die because our health system is so underfunded , which is Andrews/Labors responsibility....Albo's new slogan , "prosperity" ....where the fuck is the well being of everybody?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ambulance-rationing-looms-as...

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:03am
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235 cases everywhere between Port, Kempsey, Nambucca Valley, Bellingen shire and Coffs to Grafton today, the sky is falling in.
It’s the pandemic of the vaxed in the cities.

Robo, 344 just in the Tweed yesterday, 1,099 in Northern NSW. So your numbers are out.

And TD, no idea.

*Likely a touch under this as there's a mix of RAT's and PCR from the same cases there.

It’s full on now, Craig.
Mur’bah is full of it. Have not heard too much about Mullumbimby and surrounds.
Mur’bah hospital has erected a tent out the back and is processing patients there.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:08am
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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

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brutus Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:07am

Kelly slater no chance of getting into OZ without being vaxxed!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/kelly-slater-has-no-chance-of-getting-in...

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:10am
Craig wrote:
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235 cases everywhere between Port, Kempsey, Nambucca Valley, Bellingen shire and Coffs to Grafton today, the sky is falling in.
It’s the pandemic of the vaxed in the cities.

Robo, 344 just in the Tweed yesterday, 1,099 in Northern NSW. So your numbers are out.

*Likely a touch under this as there's a mix of RAT's and PCR from the same cases there.

And TD, no idea.

well I got my figures from Mid coast area Health FB page, they update everyday I presume they would know, guess their no's are out, you better contact them.

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Kelly slater no chance of getting into OZ without being vaxxed!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/kelly-slater-has-no-chance-of-getting-in...

and Medina.

Pretty sure viclocal is Jackie Lambie.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/no-chance-antivax-surfing-lege...

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:12am
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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Yep, according to someone with nfi, a click of the fingers and viola..new hospitals appear.

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brutus Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:17am

So Burleigh....what do you think about no state has prepared for more hosptalizations , and now health systems are going into meltdown.
On a personal note...I can no longer get my health/Cancer tests done.....

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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:24am
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Stok wrote:

Alright residents of clowntown, a sure sign that you gullible fools shouldn't be trusted is this:

The backbone of your feeble, anti vax, far right, anti gov narrative is that the experts have sold out and this is all some giant conspiracy. Now, you may believe it's about bowing down to lord big pharma, or you may think it's a way to sneak in communism or turn us into the new north Korea.

But, all of a sudden, when someone on your social network of fucking idiotic grifters shares a link to a WHO article with a short paragraph that seemingly matches YOUR narrative, all of a sudden the experts are right, we should listen.

Now, I'm no expert myself, so I can't explain why ATAGI, which is made up of a group of actual professors in relevant fields, have released their position stating vaccines are safe for 5-11yr olds due to a number of clinical study results, and this WHO article shared by Chief Clown Burleigh states something to the contrary.

But you know what, and this is fucking key so listen in, not everything in science needs to make perfect sense. Not everyone agrees, not everyone has the confidence or feels the evidence is strong enough to take a position. ATAGI do feel confident, so that's where we're at.

You see, anti vaxxers are inherently scared and anxious. The real world is too chaotic and scary for their liking. They don't want to make small sacrifices and changes in their lives, and they're scared of needles. So they'll happily accept a narrative that makes it seem there is someone out there in control, and they're evil, and they want to jab you and your kids. This puts the anti vaxxer at ease, because now they have an imaginary enemy they can demonise and fight against. This enemy, of course, is scientific experts.

So, unlike you clowns, I'm happily understanding the bounds of my own knowledge, and understanding that this pandemic is a natural disaster which the scientific world scrambled to fight back against. It doesn't all line up, and it doesn't have to. We have people who've committed their whole lives to infectious diseases and vaccinations providing recommendations. It's the best bet we have.

I'll ignore most of this, as stok-man is clearly all irate and triggered up, and pulling every lame-arse trick in the book to tar all with the same lame-arse labels and miserable accustions that we've all endured and been over a million times...

but I'll point out this...

"Now, I'm no expert myself, so I can't explain why ATAGI, which is made up of a group of actual professors in relevant fields, have released their position stating vaccines are safe for 5-11yr olds due to a number of clinical study results, and this WHO article shared by Chief Clown Burleigh states something to the contrary."

just because ATAGI recommends something as 'safe for 5 to 11 year olds' doesn't mean the best science recommends it as the best practice...

it clearly appears to be a desperate manoeuvre (and play on semantics) for various governments who have decided to go it alone, as pointed out in the zerohedge article...

"The Chief Scientist of the World Health Organization has just crushed what little credibility the Biden administration's COVID response team had by confirming what most parents' common-sense already told them - that there is no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

'need' and 'safe' are two different things

several high level staff have already left the US CDC because they didn't like biden and co. over riding the best advice

now it would seem australia is just following the US and Israels lead, in an attempt to 'boost themselves out of the pandemic', which the WHO has also raised as a problem...

so the point is, the science is not settled, there are a range of opinions, and it would seem the need for vaccinating kids is most certainly not agreed upon

so maybe just open that mind a little... and maybe tone down the misplaced moral indignation and name calling and possibly make an attempt to respect other's positions...

to be fair, the WHO has wider priorities with some of these statements, but the advice given re. kids in the WHO breifing vid above is pretty bloody non ambiguous...

End of the day it all comes down to two things

1.
Q= Are children below 12 at risk of serious illness or death from Covid?

A= All the stats show clearly that no they are not at risk.

2
Q.=Does the vaccine prevent transmission?

A= Seeing both Aust & Israel have some of the highest tax rates in the world but also the two fastest Omicron growth rates, clearly they don't.

So why do kids need Covid vaxing again????

Surely its makes much more sense on educating parents on the real risk to children and concentrating on spending money and resources on getting his risk groups vaxed/bosted like the elderly.

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:23am
Stok wrote:

Alright residents of clowntown, a sure sign that you gullible fools shouldn't be trusted is this:

The backbone of your feeble, anti vax, far right, anti gov narrative is that the experts have sold out and this is all some giant conspiracy. Now, you may believe it's about bowing down to lord big pharma, or you may think it's a way to sneak in communism or turn us into the new north Korea.

But, all of a sudden, when someone on your social network of fucking idiotic grifters shares a link to a WHO article with a short paragraph that seemingly matches YOUR narrative, all of a sudden the experts are right, we should listen.

Now, I'm no expert myself, so I can't explain why ATAGI, which is made up of a group of actual professors in relevant fields, have released their position stating vaccines are safe for 5-11yr olds due to a number of clinical study results, and this WHO article shared by Chief Clown Burleigh states something to the contrary.

But you know what, and this is fucking key so listen in, not everything in science needs to make perfect sense. Not everyone agrees, not everyone has the confidence or feels the evidence is strong enough to take a position. ATAGI do feel confident, so that's where we're at.

You see, anti vaxxers are inherently scared and anxious. The real world is too chaotic and scary for their liking. They don't want to make small sacrifices and changes in their lives, and they're scared of needles. So they'll happily accept a narrative that makes it seem there is someone out there in control, and they're evil, and they want to jab you and your kids. This puts the anti vaxxer at ease, because now they have an imaginary enemy they can demonise and fight against. This enemy, of course, is scientific experts.

So, unlike you clowns, I'm happily understanding the bounds of my own knowledge, and understanding that this pandemic is a natural disaster which the scientific world scrambled to fight back against. It doesn't all line up, and it doesn't have to. We have people who've committed their whole lives to infectious diseases and vaccinations providing recommendations. It's the best bet we have.

Think you mean the vaxers are scared lol

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:29am
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burleigh wrote:
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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Yep, according to someone with nfi, a click of the fingers and viola..new hospitals appear.

won't need them pfizer to the rescue

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/tga-approves-two-new-covid19-...

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:33am
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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:34am
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So Burleigh....what do you think about no state has prepared for more hosptalizations , and now health systems are going into meltdown.
On a personal note...I can no longer get my health/Cancer tests done.....

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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Offcourse they prepare as much as they can, but you can't magically get more staff and hospital beds etc.

Hospitals are under pressure but the biggest problem is staff off work from being close contacts or with Covid.

In reality Australia has one of the best hospital systems in the world and is not even close to a true melt down.

You want to see a true meltdown, that was Indonesia at its hospitalisation peak last year where the carparks were set up with big tents to house people and rooms crammed full of patients and beds in hallways, and you have to share air and only get to see a doctor after a few days.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:37am
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Yep, according to someone with nfi, a click of the fingers and viola..new hospitals appear.

2 years with a “deadly” pandemic is not clicking the fingers.

Did NZ fire healthcare staff for not taking the poison also?

They manage to put the poison in the arms, you think an expert would have said that It won’t work for new strains

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:42am

Was never about the virus.

"I think quite a few players had it when they arrived. Quite a few players I think have it now. We're not getting tested, so I think if we would get tested there would be probably more positives than there are now, in a way."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/zverev-australian-open-covid-test...

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Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Yep, according to someone with nfi, a click of the fingers and viola..new hospitals appear.

won't need them pfizer to the rescue

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/tga-approves-two-new-covid19-...

So many cheap early treatment options but it’s only approved once’s big pharma can patient it. $$$$$$$

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brutus Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 8:45am

Indo.....we do not have one of the best health systems in the World. My personal experience is France blows away Australia's , Japan Blows away Australias.....read the Age article and see how overloaded our systems are.....PCR tests don't come back , hardly any anti-gen tests....it's getting worse......I have to go to hospital today I'll get back to you on what the Dr's and staff are saying and not concocted political statements .....
Why weren't we more prepared , because oh budgets?

indo-dreaming wrote:
brutus wrote:

So Burleigh....what do you think about no state has prepared for more hosptalizations , and now health systems are going into meltdown.
On a personal note...I can no longer get my health/Cancer tests done.....

burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Offcourse they prepare as much as they can, but you can't magically get more staff and hospital beds etc.

Hospitals are under pressure but the biggest problem is staff off work from being close contacts or with Covid.

In reality Australia has one of the best hospital systems in the world and is not even close to a true melt down.

You want to see a true meltdown, that was Indonesia at its hospitalisation peak last year where the carparks were set up with big tents to house people and rooms crammed full of patients and beds in hallways, and you have to share air and only get to see a doctor after a few days.