COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:34am
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

Oh, so your moral code doesn't allow insults, (even though you throw around insults) but making up the most ridiculous bs statements to back up your bias and anti vax stance are acceptable?

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:35am

You can tell the boomers on here by the swear words used.

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:36am
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
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Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

Oh, so your moral code doesn't allow insults, (even though you throw around insults) but making up the most ridiculous bs statements to back up your bias and anti vax stance are acceptable?

can we hear your mother in the cafe scenario again please?

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:37am
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"@BB , which varient was your study referring too ? "

I doubt that they have that data supa.

"Do you think the risk benefit analysis needs to change for omicron ?"

No. We do not know the long term health risks to children from covid.

"I noticed in your post that no children in either group got very sick .
Also I now know more than 10 parents whose children age 6 and under have contracted and quickly recovered from covid in a few days , do you think these children should now be vaccinated ? Or any children that have recovered from covid ?"

Yes, the data is good that a correctly timed vaccination after infection produces higher immunity.

supa, you are free to make your own decision about vaccinating your children. From my reading the evidence suggests that vaccination is the safest route and that is the position of those with the best access to all the data and the greatest experience in the field. If you have not yet been able to bring yourself to the point of accepting that, then presumably you have made your choice and the odds are that your children will be fine anyway.
On a different note, after worsening cold symptoms, I had a PCR test thgis morning. I am thinking less than 50%. chance of it being covid, but I did have contact with a symptomless family member who later tested positive.

When ATAGI can show me the risk and benefit analysis for omicron then I can make an informed decision about what vaccines my daughter gets . In the meantime its a no from me .

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:42am
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

Oh, so your moral code doesn't allow insults, (even though you throw around insults) but making up the most ridiculous bs statements to back up your bias and anti vax stance are acceptable?

can we hear your mother in the cafe scenario again please?

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:46am
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

Oh, so your moral code doesn't allow insults, (even though you throw around insults) but making up the most ridiculous bs statements to back up your bias and anti vax stance are acceptable?

can we hear your mother in the cafe scenario again please?

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

All true, not made up pie in the sky scenario in a cafe lmaf.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:47am

Just wondering if Stok, VL and the others agree with the experts in the UK now they are getting rid of passports etc.

Or is it still just the paid experts in Australia you want to listen to?

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:11pm
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Indo.....we do not have one of the best health systems in the World. My personal experience is France blows away Australia's , Japan Blows away Australias.....read the Age article and see how overloaded our systems are.....PCR tests don't come back , hardly any anti-gen tests....it's getting worse......I have to go to hospital today I'll get back to you on what the Dr's and staff are saying and not concocted political statements .....
Why weren't we more prepared , because oh budgets?

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So Burleigh....what do you think about no state has prepared for more hosptalizations , and now health systems are going into meltdown.
On a personal note...I can no longer get my health/Cancer tests done.....

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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Offcourse they prepare as much as they can, but you can't magically get more staff and hospital beds etc.

Hospitals are under pressure but the biggest problem is staff off work from being close contacts or with Covid.

In reality Australia has one of the best hospital systems in the world and is not even close to a true melt down.

You want to see a true meltdown, that was Indonesia at its hospitalisation peak last year where the carparks were set up with big tents to house people and rooms crammed full of patients and beds in hallways, and you have to share air and only get to see a doctor after a few days.


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-th... https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-...

No heath system is designed to deal with a pandemic though, nothing in society is.

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:14pm
burleigh wrote:

Just wondering if Stok, VL and the others agree with the experts in the UK now they are getting rid of passports etc.

Or is it still just the paid experts in Australia you want to listen to?

Yes of course! Vaccine passports are, and always have been, a temporary solution.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:16pm

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:18pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
brutus wrote:

Indo.....we do not have one of the best health systems in the World. My personal experience is France blows away Australia's , Japan Blows away Australias.....read the Age article and see how overloaded our systems are.....PCR tests don't come back , hardly any anti-gen tests....it's getting worse......I have to go to hospital today I'll get back to you on what the Dr's and staff are saying and not concocted political statements .....
Why weren't we more prepared , because oh budgets?

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brutus wrote:

So Burleigh....what do you think about no state has prepared for more hosptalizations , and now health systems are going into meltdown.
On a personal note...I can no longer get my health/Cancer tests done.....

burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Offcourse they prepare as much as they can, but you can't magically get more staff and hospital beds etc.

Hospitals are under pressure but the biggest problem is staff off work from being close contacts or with Covid.

In reality Australia has one of the best hospital systems in the world and is not even close to a true melt down.

You want to see a true meltdown, that was Indonesia at its hospitalisation peak last year where the carparks were set up with big tents to house people and rooms crammed full of patients and beds in hallways, and you have to share air and only get to see a doctor after a few days.


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-th... https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-...

No heath system is design to deal with a pandemic though, nothing in society is.

100% agree with you here, Indo. "No heath system is design to deal with a pandemic though, nothing in society is."

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:20pm
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If this thread is taken down, does that mean people stop talking about this subject ? Just trying to understand what some believe will be accomplished by removing the topic . With nearly 95% vaccinated , why get all out of shape about what a minority write ?

You can talk about it Supa, just don't share ideas anonymously about contrarian healthcare advice and emergency pandemic response. I mean, you're free to do it, but it's just irresponsible.

In terms of why get out of shape about it, well, it's somewhat cathartic for me! I've actually also found it fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them.

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:26pm

"No heath system is design to deal with a pandemic though, nothing in society is."

Bang on Indo & Roadkill.

Unfortunately, there's opportunists out there who would rather see society be moved to a position which makes it worse off, in terms of pandemic preparedness, all for their own short term personal gain.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:28pm
Stok wrote:
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End of the day it all comes down to two things

1.
Q= Are children below 12 at risk of serious illness or death from Covid?

A= All the stats show clearly that no they are not at risk.

2
Q.=Does the vaccine prevent transmission?

A= Seeing both Aust & Israel have some of the highest tax rates in the world but also the two fastest Omicron growth rates, clearly they don't.

So why do kids need Covid vaxing again????

Surely its makes much more sense on educating parents on the real risk to children and concentrating on spending money and resources on getting his risk groups vaxed/bosted like the elderly.

I can attest I don't know the answers to this. I have young kids myself, who've both had covid and seemingly were/are fine. If they were of school age I'd be questioning whether to race off and get them vaccinated for sure.

But one thing I'm 100% sure of, is that this is a fucking tricky topic, best kept off a surf website where 75% of posters share essentially anti vax propaganda day in day out.

I'd probably go to a doctor, or ask a family member (who is a doctor), and make the decision personally myself. I wouldn't try to push my personal choice on others.

If it became mandated, for some reason, that kids get vaccinated (which it's not), I'd listen to the experts, and realise that only in fantasy land (i.e. Burleigh's head) would any expert body in Australia mandate the vaccination of kids without fully assessing and considering the risks to children and society as a whole.

Personally i think its more political the Government wants to be seen as doing all it can and the pharmaceutical companies have a product to sell, if the government didnt push the vaccine for kids the opposition would attack them on it saying they dont care about kids, it doesnt matter to either pharmaceutical companies or the government if kids really need it or not.

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gragagan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:29pm

Close this thread and start one called "coronavirus: the great hoax" or "Abuse people you don't know" or something

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:33pm
Robo wrote:
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Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

Oh, so your moral code doesn't allow insults, (even though you throw around insults) but making up the most ridiculous bs statements to back up your bias and anti vax stance are acceptable?

can we hear your mother in the cafe scenario again please?

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

All true, not made up pie in the sky scenario in a cafe lmaf.

Well Robo, now you have confirmed it is all true. I owe you an apology.
I am sorry, Robo. I should have taken what you said as truth. Afterall, it would be a pretty sick scummy person to use their family and friends and cancer diagnosis to discredit covid vaxxes. Same goes for the 4 people you know who have developed shingles after getting vaxxed. Poor form from me to again doubt you.

Sorry to doubt you.

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 12:47pm
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

Oh, so your moral code doesn't allow insults, (even though you throw around insults) but making up the most ridiculous bs statements to back up your bias and anti vax stance are acceptable?

can we hear your mother in the cafe scenario again please?

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

All true, not made up pie in the sky scenario in a cafe lmaf.

Well Robo, now you have confirmed it is all true. I owe you an apology.
I am sorry, Robo. I should have taken what you said as truth. Afterall, it would be a pretty sick scummy person to use their family and friends and cancer diagnosis to discredit covid vaxxes. Same goes for the 4 people you know who have developed shingles after getting vaxxed. Poor form from me to again doubt you.

Sorry to doubt you.

No worries, I forgive you.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:07pm

That’s very kind of you robo and I must say a great deflection yet again from the roaddill

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:13pm

The resident Swellnet pin cushions are the kings of deflection.

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:15pm
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That’s very kind of you robo and I must say a great deflection yet again from the roaddill

How is it a deflection, SF?

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:36pm

"In terms of why get out of shape about it, well, it's somewhat cathartic for me! I've actually also found it fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them."

and how's this 'conspiracy' panning out for you stok?

sure is... 'fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them.'

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:48pm
sypkan wrote:

https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1483895439040647169?s=21

"In terms of why get out of shape about it, well, it's somewhat cathartic for me! I've actually also found it fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them."

and how's this 'conspiracy' panning out for you stok?

sure is... 'fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them.'

WOW, won't see that on the 6pm news.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 1:51pm
sypkan wrote:

https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1483895439040647169?s=21

"In terms of why get out of shape about it, well, it's somewhat cathartic for me! I've actually also found it fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them."

and how's this 'conspiracy' panning out for you stok?

sure is... 'fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them.'

More experts. Does VL & Stok want to listen to them?
Or does “trust the science” only work when it suits you?

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:15pm

I mean, come on, never heard of this dude before, but how can any self respecting professor prance around on Twitter proudly showing off their nickname 'Early Treatment'. LOL.

Also - 'Whoa, this is concrete'! That's completely a respectable way to communicate online. Let's trust this guy.

It's like you clowns have discovered the 'A Current Affair' side of the internet and social media, and have put the blinkers on to reality.

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:28pm

have you heard about the emails?

Im guessing no...

it's about the emails... not mr. early treatment m.d.

maybe stop attacking people and personalities and get up to speed...

champ

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:29pm
Supafreak wrote:

COVID patients are crossing state and international lines to get treatment from this Houston doctor. https://abc13.com/dr-joseph-varon-covid-treatments-houston-hospital-iver.... Same guy stok , still going. How different it could have been if the health authorities tried Borody’s formula .

@stok , did you get around to watching this or the earlier video on Dr Joseph Varon ?

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:45pm

No @Sypkan....sigh....I haven't heard of the emails. Silly me.

I bet you know all there is to know about it, the undoubted truth. You got to the bottom of it and collated all the evidence. Followed it for months.

But please, I beg you - do not share a link - what ever you do. For your own safety.

@Supa Sigh again. No i didn't watch the video. Truthfully, I'm just not at all vested or interested in a treatment option which people much more versed in the topic than me have questioned it's usefulness. i did click the link though, and read about how anti vaxxer were driving across the great old US of A to see this guy, desperate for treatment. Glad they got some help I guess. I mean, of course they could've just gotten vaccinated as recommended by probably all their local doctors, but nah, read online about this dude, gives out Ivermectin, roadtrip!

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 2:59pm
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No @Sypkan....sigh....I haven't heard of the emails. Silly me.

I bet you know all there is to know about it, the undoubted truth. You got to the bottom of it and collated all the evidence. Followed it for months.

But please, I beg you - do not share a link - what ever you do. For your own safety.

@Supa Sigh again. No i didn't watch the video. Truthfully, I'm just not at all vested or interested in a treatment option which people much more versed in the topic than me have questioned it's usefulness. i did click the link though, and read about how anti vaxxer were driving across the great old US of A to see this guy, desperate for treatment. Glad they got some help I guess. I mean, of course they could've just gotten vaccinated as recommended by probably all their local doctors, but nah, read online about this dude, gives out Ivermectin, roadtrip!

WOW great reply stok , good to see you have a openmind to what’s happening in other parts of the world. Don’t look stok in case of what you find smashes your belief system, that would be crushing and I understand why you and others won’t dare look .

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shoredump Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:09pm

Now now Sypkan, no making fun of the dopey / gullible fcuks like Stok & BB (etc etc) who day in day out prove they’re unable to think for themselves. Putting 2 & 2 together is not so easy for everybody.
People are allowed to be different/ retarded you know?

sypkan wrote:

https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1483895439040647169?s=21

"In terms of why get out of shape about it, well, it's somewhat cathartic for me! I've actually also found it fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them."

and how's this 'conspiracy' panning out for you stok?

sure is... 'fascinating watching the conspiracies evolve, and the people I know/public figures fall for them.'

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:11pm
Stok wrote:

No @Sypkan....sigh....I haven't heard of the emails. Silly me.

I bet you know all there is to know about it, the undoubted truth. You got to the bottom of it and collated all the evidence. Followed it for months.

But please, I beg you - do not share a link - what ever you do. For your own safety.

@Supa Sigh again. No i didn't watch the video. Truthfully, I'm just not at all vested or interested in a treatment option which people much more versed in the topic than me have questioned it's usefulness. i did click the link though, and read about how anti vaxxer were driving across the great old US of A to see this guy, desperate for treatment. Glad they got some help I guess. I mean, of course they could've just gotten vaccinated as recommended by probably all their local doctors, but nah, read online about this dude, gives out Ivermectin, roadtrip!

stok... sigh... then maybe back off on all the 'conspiracy' bullshit then...

because your ignorance is astounding for someone who wants to tell us all how it is

same vid, the hill... who I am sure you've also never heard of... but be assured, they're about as unbiased and credible as it gets

https://m.

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:12pm

https://m.

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:13pm

and yet more 'conspiracy' at the hill...

https://m.

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:17pm

and just to undermine my building (struggling) credibility...

russel brand and faucci emails

https://m.

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shoredump Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:22pm

Put your bets on a Trump re election, now

He clearly knew something was up with Fauci

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:24pm
sypkan wrote:

and yet more 'conspiracy' at the hill...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GrFKef23CoI

She nailed that all so true, 800,00 a day woah. If you cant agree with what she said you really are a just sheep just following along and like being told where and what to do..

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:29pm
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Put your bets on a Trump re election, now

He clearly knew something was up with Fauci

yep

absolutely amazing he didn't say something

it's trump the master impulsive bullshitting blameshifter after all...

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:44pm

Ok Sypkan, I'm bored enough to play ball - what are you getting at with the lab leak possibility? What does this mean, in terms of Australia's pandemic response, the advisers at ATAGI and the TGA? The doctors and nurses who work within our healthcare system.

I'm aware of gain of function labs, and the potentially frightening viruses they hold (for varying reasons). It's nightmarish stuff.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 3:53pm
sypkan wrote:

and yet more 'conspiracy' at the hill...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GrFKef23CoI

Kim Iverson gets better and better, tells it like it is , had to laugh when Ryan ‘s turn of reply came ( sputter sputter ) and as always the comments section gives great examples of how the public sees it .

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Ben Harding Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 4:10pm
Stok wrote:
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Sorry i could of put quotation marks if you like but i didnt find it on any trump page. Just thought it sums up this thread and societys mental state pretty well. Ive encouraged people to get vaccinated im just shocked at the division its created in this country and many others.

Fair call Matilda, but rest assured, the division is almost purely created by anti vax propagandists, and far right 'freedom fighter' social media commentators. these people planted seeds everywhere, and are continuously 'crop dusting' with further divisive and emotive content designed to make you distrust the Governments.

“Rest assured, the division is almost purely created by anti vax propagandists, and far right 'freedom fighter' social media commentators”

Almost purely created? Hyperbole 101.

IMO, this is a disingenuously simplistic take on an incredibly layered/complex/unprecedented time in recent history. Having a crack at burleigh and robo for not doing some headwork and expanding their viewpoints. Reading a couple of your comments gives me the impression you are still stuck in 2nd gear yourself Stok.

Premiers, pollies, the media, and world leaders have done a pretty good job of sowing the seeds of division, and tending to that crop on a daily basis. I can’t think of a time where those three institutions have totally influenced and dictated national thought and actions on a global scale for a sustained 24 month, 24/7 (and counting) period. It’s nuts. I see some 2gb crew and some mainstream mastheads are finally starting to report on other news though on page 1.

“But I don't like this thread, and I don't like it living on one of my favorite surf sites. I would actually pose a question to Ben/Stu as to the merits of keeping this thread. Of course, closing it would create the roar of 'censorship'! But leaving it open just creates a platform for people to anonymously push their anti vax tripe out on to anyone who'll dare to click.”

For someone that doesnt like this thread, you sure do hammer home your own perspective on the pandemic to anyone who bites back/listens. Luckily this thread isn't about you and what you like. You're close to my age, early to mid 30s, surely you have gotten over things that you don’t like which aren't in your control by now? Sure tell people to get a grip, but that question to Ben/Stu has been answered, multiple times over. And it always comes from the other end of the spectrum to the so-called crew who are “anti-vax”. Misinformation doesn't choose sides either, anti-vax crew don't have a mortgage on spewing bullshit and or throwing up skewered or (intentionally or unintentionally) misinterpreted data.

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 4:08pm

I think the idea of barody administering ivermectin as an anal suppository, turns SF on. He is 100% full into barody

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 4:21pm
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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 4:25pm
Roadkill wrote:

I think the idea of barody administering ivermectin as an anal suppository, turns SF on. He is 100% full into barody

What’s a barody ? You get dumber by the minute , get back to the cafe , weasel

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 5:00pm
Supafreak wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

I think the idea of barody administering ivermectin as an anal suppository, turns SF on. He is 100% full into barody

What’s a barody ? You get dumber by the minute , get back to the cafe , weasel

Lube up big boy, you know you want it.

I have actually been treated by the good Dr for C diff.

FMT as developed by him does some amazing stuff, although he tends to over preach it’s benefits for some issues. He is no crackpot snake oil salesman.

The jury is still out on ivermectin as a treatment for covid.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 5:12pm

So what’s a barody ?

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 5:40pm

As usual roaddill making as much sense as his cafe scenario.

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 5:49pm

SF, the problem with getting all high and mighty over spelling and gramma is, if you are not 100% perfect with your own spelling and gramma, you come off as a complete dickhead.

You are a complete dickhead. Lol.

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 5:57pm
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No @Sypkan....sigh....I haven't heard of the emails. Silly me.

I bet you know all there is to know about it, the undoubted truth. You got to the bottom of it and collated all the evidence. Followed it for months.

But please, I beg you - do not share a link - what ever you do. For your own safety.

@Supa Sigh again. No i didn't watch the video. Truthfully, I'm just not at all vested or interested in a treatment option which people much more versed in the topic than me have questioned it's usefulness. i did click the link though, and read about how anti vaxxer were driving across the great old US of A to see this guy, desperate for treatment. Glad they got some help I guess. I mean, of course they could've just gotten vaccinated as recommended by probably all their local doctors, but nah, read online about this dude, gives out Ivermectin, roadtrip!

WOW great reply stok , good to see you have a openmind to what’s happening in other parts of the world. Don’t look stok in case of what you find smashes your belief system, that would be crushing and I understand why you and others won’t dare look .

Wow, great reply(,) stok. (G)ood to see you have a(n) openmind (open mind)

I could go on, SF, you fucking idiot….ha ha ha ha

Seriously…no one with half a brain gives a fuck about spelling in a chat group.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 6:01pm

As long a you make sense to you roaddill , that’s what’s important, seriously what’s a barody ?

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 6:07pm

"Prior COVID infection more protective than vaccination during Delta surge -U.S. study

People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, suggesting that natural immunity was a more potent shield than vaccines against that variant, California and New York health officials reported on Wednesday.

Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found."

Continued here

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-...

Study here https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 7:06pm

Negotiations underway to export Spikogen vaccine
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/469200/Negotiations-underway-to-export-...

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