COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:03am
burleigh wrote:
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No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Yep, according to someone with nfi, a click of the fingers and viola..new hospitals appear.

won't need them pfizer to the rescue

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/tga-approves-two-new-covid19-...

So many cheap early treatment options but it’s only approved once’s big pharma can patient it. $$$$$$$

You daily show just how little awareness you have of what goes on in the real world.
The suggestions you offer are clueless and pissweak and as would be expected from the immature manchild you are. (it is funny tho)

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:08am
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it clearly appears to be a desperate manoeuvre (and play on semantics) for various governments who have decided to go it alone, as pointed out in the zerohedge article...

"The Chief Scientist of the World Health Organization has just crushed what little credibility the Biden administration's COVID response team had by confirming what most parents' common-sense already told them - that there is no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

Sypkan, I can't grant you a shred of credibility, when you respond to my fairly open comments about following advice of professors and health leaders in your country by sharing the most black and white, one sided, emotive, republican piece of text I've seen in a long time.

Sorry but any article, or whatever the hell Zero hedge actually is (a blog?), which uses the sentence "confirming what most parents' common-sense already told them" is playing straight into the emotional weak points of it's confused, angry readers.

Now, you raise some reasonable points about science not being agreed upon, but, you're barking up the wrong tree, by gazing lovingly into the eyes of effectively Trump supporters to hear what they have to say about this pandemic.

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:15am
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Think you mean the vaxers are scared lol

I love this trope, always get a good laugh when i see it. And I see it so much.

Anti vaxxers thinking people are getting vaccinated and responding effectively to a pandemic by following health advice, out of 'fear'.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

You know what hides fear, or is an attempt to hide fear? Denial. Denial that this is a serious disease, denial that actions need to be taken to mitigate it.

You know what shows fear? Not getting vaccinated because you reject the medical advice that the vaccines are safe and effective, but instead listened to one of the myriad of shameless grifters telling you that you're actually better off not doing anything, and you might die if you do get vaccinated.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:20am
Stok wrote:
Robo wrote:

Think you mean the vaxers are scared lol

I love this trope, always get a good laugh when i see it. And I see it so much.

Anti vaxxers thinking people are getting vaccinated and responding effectively to a pandemic by following health advice, out of 'fear'.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

You know what hides fear, or is an attempt to hide fear? Denial. Denial that this is a serious disease, denial that actions need to be taken to mitigate it.

You know what shows fear? Not getting vaccinated because you reject the medical advice that the vaccines are safe and effective, but instead listened to one of the myriad of shameless grifters telling you that you're actually better off not doing anything, and you might die if you do get vaccinated.

Wrong again Stok. It takes courage to stand up against the system.

Unlike your little piss weak self, who loves to be dominated by some deranged power loving premier.

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blindboy Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:21am

".....there is no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

No, because to the best of my knowledge there has been insufficient time anywhere, following their second shot, for enough data to be gathered. No evidence is exactly that. We don't know. The context of the statement was the importance of provoding booster shots to vulnerable populations. The danger of taking her statement completely out of context and posting it publicly is that it will, as intended, mislead people into thinking (a) they will never be necessary and/or (b) children do not need to be vaccinated at all. Par for the course for one of the usual ratbags.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:21am
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

No ICU beds in some locations…it’s not going to end well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-f...

Over 2 years to prepare. Did they have time to build covid jails like Australia?

You would think all the experts advising the government would have said new strains can be more infectious?

Yep, according to someone with nfi, a click of the fingers and viola..new hospitals appear.

won't need them pfizer to the rescue

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/tga-approves-two-new-covid19-...

So many cheap early treatment options but it’s only approved once’s big pharma can patient it. $$$$$$$

You daily show just how little awareness you have of what goes on in the real world.
The suggestions you offer are clueless and pissweak and as would be expected from the immature manchild you are. (it is funny tho)

Real world? You mean like your cafe scenario.

If you live in a glass house, don’t throw rocks

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:21am
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End of the day it all comes down to two things

1.
Q= Are children below 12 at risk of serious illness or death from Covid?

A= All the stats show clearly that no they are not at risk.

2
Q.=Does the vaccine prevent transmission?

A= Seeing both Aust & Israel have some of the highest tax rates in the world but also the two fastest Omicron growth rates, clearly they don't.

So why do kids need Covid vaxing again????

Surely its makes much more sense on educating parents on the real risk to children and concentrating on spending money and resources on getting his risk groups vaxed/bosted like the elderly.

I can attest I don't know the answers to this. I have young kids myself, who've both had covid and seemingly were/are fine. If they were of school age I'd be questioning whether to race off and get them vaccinated for sure.

But one thing I'm 100% sure of, is that this is a fucking tricky topic, best kept off a surf website where 75% of posters share essentially anti vax propaganda day in day out.

I'd probably go to a doctor, or ask a family member (who is a doctor), and make the decision personally myself. I wouldn't try to push my personal choice on others.

If it became mandated, for some reason, that kids get vaccinated (which it's not), I'd listen to the experts, and realise that only in fantasy land (i.e. Burleigh's head) would any expert body in Australia mandate the vaccination of kids without fully assessing and considering the risks to children and society as a whole.

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monkeyboy Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:23am
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/heparin-can-be-used-to-treat-covi...

My father in law is on wharfrin - similar to heparin, its a blood thinner basically used after a heart transplant for example to help prevent blood clots - similar to Aspirin. Didnt know it had anti viral properties too. Be awesome if we can find a cheap, proven, widely available treatment.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:23am
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".....there is no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

No, because to the best of my knowledge there has been insufficient time anywhere, following their second shot, for enough data to be gathered. No evidence is exactly that. We don't know. The context of the statement was the importance of provoding booster shots to vulnerable populations. The danger of taking her statement completely out of context and posting it publicly is that it will, as intended, mislead people into thinking (a) they will never be necessary and/or (b) children do not need to be vaccinated at all. Par for the course for one of the usual ratbags.

There is no evidence that children need any covid vaccine boosterboy.

The only evidence is in your own deranged mind where you want to inject kids to keep you “safe”

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:42am

Hahahahah maybe your fifth dose will work?

Do these experts count Vic? Or you want to listen to the paid experts in Australia that say your third is what’s needed?

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Matilda0213 Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:42am

I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask.
I have never seen a vaccine that required me to maintain my social distance.
I have never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination.
I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
I never saw discrimination for those who didn't get a vaccination.
I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends.
I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or
school.
I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent.
I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society.

As the social fabric tightens, we realize it is a powerful vaccine!

It does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:44am

WSL will soon order Kelly from his own bathtub.
The Ultimate Mass Psychosis Wipe Out.

WSL : "Ultimate Vaxed Surfers are doing the right thing by topping up our wavepool with positive pee!"
WSL Mandate : "We're clamping down on Hesitant's sprinkler loophole as a valid Medical Exemption!"

tbb : "Small part of me shrinks each time they introduce a new Hot VIP Bully Mandate!"

[ Factcheck! ]
Experts : " tbb's wild claims seem to hold water? "
Experts : " Ban tbb from his own microwavepool...Yes! Again! "

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bluediamond Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 9:57am
Matilda0213 wrote:

I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask.
I have never seen a vaccine that required me to maintain my social distance.
I have never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination.
I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
I never saw discrimination for those who didn't get a vaccination.
I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends.
I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or
school.
I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent.
I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society.

As the social fabric tightens, we realize it is a powerful vaccine!

It does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.

+1 to this. Brilliant.

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:02am
burleigh wrote:

Wrong again Stok. It takes courage to stand up against the system.

Unlike your little piss weak self, who loves to be dominated by some deranged power loving premier.

Hahahaha

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:05am
Matilda0213 wrote:

I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask.
I have never seen a vaccine that required me to maintain my social distance.
I have never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination.
I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
I never saw discrimination for those who didn't get a vaccination.
I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends.
I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or
school.
I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent.
I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society.

As the social fabric tightens, we realize it is a powerful vaccine!

It does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.

You see, this is why this thread needs to be closed.
Matilda here's just waltzed in and cut n pasted a post they saw, and liked, on TRUMP2024's Facebook page, didn't even bother to change the American spelling of immunisation, and BlueDiamond's cheering it on.

Doesn't matter that the post barely makes any sense.

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blindboy Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:08am

"Direct benefits against COVID-19 in children
The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been demonstrated to reduce COVID-19 in children 5-11 years of age. Within an ongoing clinical trial evaluating the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in children aged 6 months to 11 years of age, results have been reported for the age group 5 to 11 years.10 Among 2186 trial participants aged 5 to 11 years without evidence of prior COVID-19 infection, two doses of 10μg of paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine were 90.7% effective (95% CI [confidence interval]: 67.7 to 98.3%) at preventing laboratory-confirmed symptomatic COVID-19 from day 7 after dose 2 (with an interval of 3 weeks between doses). This was based on 3 observed cases among 1305 paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recipients compared to 16 cases among 663 placebo recipients reported between July and September 2021. The three cases in the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine group were mild and without fever, whereas most cases in the placebo group had documented fever. Multiple other symptoms were also observed more frequently among cases in the placebo group. There were no cases of severe COVID-19 in either group.
The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been shown to be immunogenic. Neutralising antibody titres after two 10μg doses of the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in 264 participants aged 5 to 11 years were comparable to those observed in 253 trial participants aged 16- to 25-year-old who received two 30μg doses of the adolescent/adult formulation, with a geometric mean ratio of 1.04 (95% CI: 0.93 to 1.18).10 The proportion achieving seroconversion was 99.2%. Additionally, in a small subset of 34 children studied who received the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, the increase in neutralisation titre against the Delta variant strain from pre-vaccination to after dose 2 was similar to the fold-increase observed for the reference strain (29.5- and 36.5-fold, respectively)."
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/12/atagi-re...

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:11am
Stok wrote:
burleigh wrote:

Wrong again Stok. It takes courage to stand up against the system.

Unlike your little piss weak self, who loves to be dominated by some deranged power loving premier.

Hahahaha

It is very funny. The replys are getting weaker and less interesting daily.

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:13am
bluediamond wrote:
Matilda0213 wrote:

I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask.
I have never seen a vaccine that required me to maintain my social distance.
I have never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination.
I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
I never saw discrimination for those who didn't get a vaccination.
I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends.
I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or
school.
I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent.
I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society.

As the social fabric tightens, we realize it is a powerful vaccine!

It does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.

+1 to this. Brilliant.

which part is brilliant?

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:14am
blindboy wrote:

"Direct benefits against COVID-19 in children
The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been demonstrated to reduce COVID-19 in children 5-11 years of age. Within an ongoing clinical trial evaluating the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in children aged 6 months to 11 years of age, results have been reported for the age group 5 to 11 years.10 Among 2186 trial participants aged 5 to 11 years without evidence of prior COVID-19 infection, two doses of 10μg of paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine were 90.7% effective (95% CI [confidence interval]: 67.7 to 98.3%) at preventing laboratory-confirmed symptomatic COVID-19 from day 7 after dose 2 (with an interval of 3 weeks between doses). This was based on 3 observed cases among 1305 paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recipients compared to 16 cases among 663 placebo recipients reported between July and September 2021. The three cases in the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine group were mild and without fever, whereas most cases in the placebo group had documented fever. Multiple other symptoms were also observed more frequently among cases in the placebo group. There were no cases of severe COVID-19 in either group.
The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been shown to be immunogenic. Neutralising antibody titres after two 10μg doses of the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in 264 participants aged 5 to 11 years were comparable to those observed in 253 trial participants aged 16- to 25-year-old who received two 30μg doses of the adolescent/adult formulation, with a geometric mean ratio of 1.04 (95% CI: 0.93 to 1.18).10 The proportion achieving seroconversion was 99.2%. Additionally, in a small subset of 34 children studied who received the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, the increase in neutralisation titre against the Delta variant strain from pre-vaccination to after dose 2 was similar to the fold-increase observed for the reference strain (29.5- and 36.5-fold, respectively)."
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/12/atagi-re...

The same organisation that told you 2 doses will give adults protection?

give me a break booster boy. You are again very quiet about Isreal saying the 4th dose offers fuck all protection against omi-con,

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:17am

Stok, what do you think about Isreal and their information about the 4th dose?

Want to put your head up your own ass to dodge this question also?

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:20am

From Dictator Dan this morning:

"To be properly protected, you need three doses. That is what the experts tell us and what I expect National Cabinet to reflect today.

"I want to be really clear with everybody, this is not two plus an optional extra. It is three doses in order to be protected against severe illness as well as to minimise the likelihood of you getting the virus or giving the virus to someone else.

"Let's hope our national framework reflects that practical scientific reality."

And you wonder why people don't trust the "experts" with Isreal saying 4 doses does fuck all.

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Matilda0213 Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:22am
Stok wrote:
Matilda0213 wrote:

I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask.
I have never seen a vaccine that required me to maintain my social distance.
I have never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination.
I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
I never saw discrimination for those who didn't get a vaccination.
I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends.
I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or
school.
I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent.
I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society.

As the social fabric tightens, we realize it is a powerful vaccine!

It does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.

You see, this is why this thread needs to be closed.
Matilda here's just waltzed in and cut n pasted a post they saw, and liked, on TRUMP2024's Facebook page, didn't even bother to change the American spelling of immunisation, and BlueDiamond's cheering it on.

Doesn't matter that the post barely makes any sense.

Sorry i could of put quotation marks if you like but i didnt find it on any trump page. Just thought it sums up this thread and societys mental state pretty well. Ive encouraged people to get vaccinated im just shocked at the division its created in this country and many others.

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:28am
burleigh wrote:

Stok, what do you think about Isreal and their information about the 4th dose?

Want to put your head up your own ass to dodge this question also?

Coming from the king of dodge. bwaaaaaahahahahha
I demand you answer me, Stok!

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gray Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:31am
Stok wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

End of the day it all comes down to two things

1.
Q= Are children below 12 at risk of serious illness or death from Covid?

A= All the stats show clearly that no they are not at risk.

2
Q.=Does the vaccine prevent transmission?

A= Seeing both Aust & Israel have some of the highest tax rates in the world but also the two fastest Omicron growth rates, clearly they don't.

So why do kids need Covid vaxing again????

Surely its makes much more sense on educating parents on the real risk to children and concentrating on spending money and resources on getting his risk groups vaxed/bosted like the elderly.

I can attest I don't know the answers to this. I have young kids myself, who've both had covid and seemingly were/are fine. If they were of school age I'd be questioning whether to race off and get them vaccinated for sure.

But one thing I'm 100% sure of, is that this is a fucking tricky topic, best kept off a surf website where 75% of posters share essentially anti vax propaganda day in day out.

I'd probably go to a doctor, or ask a family member (who is a doctor), and make the decision personally myself. I wouldn't try to push my personal choice on others.

If it became mandated, for some reason, that kids get vaccinated (which it's not), I'd listen to the experts, and realise that only in fantasy land (i.e. Burleigh's head) would any expert body in Australia mandate the vaccination of kids without fully assessing and considering the risks to children and society as a whole.

Good post, Stok, sensible and to the point.
We have two sides on this 'chat' with very strong opinions on both sides, and plenty of degrading silly comments attacking at a personal level - which does nothing to assist the conversation / discussions either way. My gut-feel is that neither extreme will meet the other half-way, so there's really no point in abusing each other about it - unless this 'venting' feels good to you; it does nothing for me, so I'll not bother posting here anymore after this one. It's quite obvious that many of the 'tough guys' throwing insults at each other wouldn't do so if they were sitting opposite on a table having a beer or two and a chat. It's really quite sad, actually.

I guess I was hopeful that posting some factual stats about death vs population rate would make some people stop and reconsider the data, but that appears to not be the case - or those in question simply can't allow themselves to 'pause and think' for a bit. I can certainly understand the way entrenched views can lock people into a position which is hard to give up later. But ultimately the stats are in, the results are conclusive: the death rate is higher for those unvaxxed when averaged across the population. There is no argument about this - it is a simple math / stats fact now.

Earlier on, before solid stats data on death rates was available, the anti-vaxxers had something to hang on to, i.e., no large-scale proof that vaccination worked. Unfortunately for them, that proof is in on a global scale, across huge numbers of different age groups, races, vaccination types and approaches. Are they a cure-all? No. Do they completely prevent serious illness / death? No. Do they reduce those two aspects? YES.

For me personally I was hesitant about the booster shots as it seemed like this is a path meaning huge amounts of money to be spent and time for booking appts, going, etc. I wanted to be sure that this was actually necessary and had to spend quite a while looking for the two aspects related to this: firm proof via large-scale statistical study or studies showing that vaccination effectiveness dropped over time (found via the UK health research results), and - if so - a similar study showing the boosting of effectiveness from another vax shot (found via the Israel study, now amongst others). I'm not going to post those links here, they can be found reasonably easily, but do take some reading through to gain the basic outcome: yes, the effectiveness drops, and yes, a booster helps again. But please check through the data / links shown in the "References" section from here if you wish to see for yourself: https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/12/atagi-re...

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:32am

Stok said “ You see, this is why this thread needs to be closed.
Matilda here's just waltzed in and cut n pasted a post they saw, and liked, on TRUMP2024's Facebook page, didn't even bother to change the American spelling of immunisation, and BlueDiamond's cheering it on. “ …….what’s next stok ? Book burning ? All social media sites to be shut down ? All news reports except the TNI to be banned ? Again if you don’t like this forum……. Don’t read it .

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:35am

Burleigh, I did share my thoughts on the Israel 4 doses thing the other day, I mean, it's been shared 500 times since then in various formats on this thread so I understand you thinking I may have dodged it.

The basic premise of it, as I remember, is that 4 doses didn't seem to give the boost in immunity against Omicron compared with 3. There's a short, 2 week study which is inconclusive.

My main response is - so fucking what?

We're talking about 3 doses here in Australia. 4 doses in inconclusive.

If you step out of your echo chamber where you and your anti vax mates dream up dystopian futures where everyone will get a vaccine booster monthly for covid for the rest of your lives, you may realise that properly qualified experts are still assessing things - you know, the ones you claim we shouldn't listen to. They're actually the ones saying 4 doses in not proven effective as yet.

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:36am

"Sypkan, I can't grant you a shred of credibility, when you respond to my fairly open comments about following advice of professors and health leaders in your country by sharing the most black and white, one sided, emotive, republican piece of text I've seen in a long time."

'fairly open comments'

you had about six paragraphs abusing people

stok, you are a tool

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:38am
Matilda0213 wrote:

Sorry i could of put quotation marks if you like but i didnt find it on any trump page. Just thought it sums up this thread and societys mental state pretty well. Ive encouraged people to get vaccinated im just shocked at the division its created in this country and many others.

Fair call Matilda, but rest assured, the division is almost purely created by anti vax propagandists, and far right 'freedom fighter' social media commentators. these people planted seeds everywhere, and are continuously 'crop dusting' with further divisive and emotive content designed to make you distrust the Governments.

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:41am

@Supa - no, not at all. Don't get carried away. But I don't like this thread, and I don't like it living on one of my favourite surf sites. I would actually pose a question to Ben/Stu as to the merits of keeping this thread. Of course, closing it would create the roar of 'censorship'! But leaving it open just creates a platform for people to anonymously push their anti vax tripe out on to anyone who'll dare to click.

@ Sypkan - Lol!

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:42am
blindboy wrote:

".....there is no evidence that healthy children need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

No, because to the best of my knowledge there has been insufficient time anywhere, following their second shot, for enough data to be gathered. No evidence is exactly that. We don't know. The context of the statement was the importance of provoding booster shots to vulnerable populations. The danger of taking her statement completely out of context and posting it publicly is that it will, as intended, mislead people into thinking (a) they will never be necessary and/or (b) children do not need to be vaccinated at all. Par for the course for one of the usual ratbags.

but it is not just about boosters bindboy

"There are currently no efficacy or safety data for children below the age of 12 years. Until such data are available, individuals below 12 years of age should not be routinely vaccinated.'

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-can-take-the-pf...

and it was not out of context if you watched the vid

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:41am
Stok wrote:
Matilda0213 wrote:

Sorry i could of put quotation marks if you like but i didnt find it on any trump page. Just thought it sums up this thread and societys mental state pretty well. Ive encouraged people to get vaccinated im just shocked at the division its created in this country and many others.

Fair call Matilda, but rest assured, the division is almost purely created by anti vax propagandists, and far right 'freedom fighter' social media commentators. these people planted seeds everywhere, and are continuously 'crop dusting' with further divisive and emotive content designed to make you distrust the Governments.

What a good little whipping boy you are Stok,
The government are doing a marvellous job of making people distrust all by themselves.

You just want someone to blame.

You’ve taken the title of the biggest tool in this thread by a mile.

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burleigh Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:43am
Stok wrote:

Burleigh, I did share my thoughts on the Israel 4 doses thing the other day, I mean, it's been shared 500 times since then in various formats on this thread so I understand you thinking I may have dodged it.

The basic premise of it, as I remember, is that 4 doses didn't seem to give the boost in immunity against Omicron compared with 3. There's a short, 2 week study which is inconclusive.

My main response is - so fucking what?

We're talking about 3 doses here in Australia. 4 doses in inconclusive.

If you step out of your echo chamber where you and your anti vax mates dream up dystopian futures where everyone will get a vaccine booster monthly for covid for the rest of your lives, you may realise that properly qualified experts are still assessing things - you know, the ones you claim we shouldn't listen to. They're actually the ones saying 4 doses in not proven effective as yet.

Lol

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blindboy Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:47am

supa, ethical publishers fact check and remove misinformation from their sites or publish retractions if it appeared in hard copy. Ben has admitted in an earlier exchange that Swellnet is a publisher. Bottom line is that he is responsible for everything that appears in the forums. If his business model does not enable moderation, the forums should be closed, or at least restricted to the editorial content. This is not censorship, it is ethical behaviour. How would you feel about regular posts on the benefits of heroin addiction? Now that's an idea! He might actually have to do something then.

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sypkan Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:49am
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"Direct benefits against COVID-19 in children
The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been demonstrated to reduce COVID-19 in children 5-11 years of age. Within an ongoing clinical trial evaluating the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in children aged 6 months to 11 years of age, results have been reported for the age group 5 to 11 years.10 Among 2186 trial participants aged 5 to 11 years without evidence of prior COVID-19 infection, two doses of 10μg of paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine were 90.7% effective (95% CI [confidence interval]: 67.7 to 98.3%) at preventing laboratory-confirmed symptomatic COVID-19 from day 7 after dose 2 (with an interval of 3 weeks between doses). This was based on 3 observed cases among 1305 paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recipients compared to 16 cases among 663 placebo recipients reported between July and September 2021. The three cases in the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine group were mild and without fever, whereas most cases in the placebo group had documented fever. Multiple other symptoms were also observed more frequently among cases in the placebo group. There were no cases of severe COVID-19 in either group.
The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been shown to be immunogenic. Neutralising antibody titres after two 10μg doses of the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in 264 participants aged 5 to 11 years were comparable to those observed in 253 trial participants aged 16- to 25-year-old who received two 30μg doses of the adolescent/adult formulation, with a geometric mean ratio of 1.04 (95% CI: 0.93 to 1.18).10 The proportion achieving seroconversion was 99.2%. Additionally, in a small subset of 34 children studied who received the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, the increase in neutralisation titre against the Delta variant strain from pre-vaccination to after dose 2 was similar to the fold-increase observed for the reference strain (29.5- and 36.5-fold, respectively)."
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/12/atagi-re...

that's a lot of words and jargon...

to say, that vaccines take the already very mild effects of covid in children, and make them marginally milder...

certainly doesn't confrm children 'need' to be vaccinated

and as you so begrudgingly axknowledge, there's not enough 'evidence' yet to confirm the efficacy of boosters... amongst a heap of things...

so, pushing revolving door vaccines on kids is probably a little premature

probably, definitely, a lot...

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:51am
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You’ve taken the title of the biggest tool in this thread by a mile.

Coming from you Burleigh, I'll take that as a little win :)

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Stok Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:52am
blindboy wrote:

supa, ethical publishers fact check and remove misinformation from their sites or publish retractions if it appeared in hard copy. Ben has admitted in an earlier exchange that Swellnet is a publisher. Bottom line is that he is responsible for everything that appears in the forums. If his business model does not enable moderation, the forums should be closed, or at least restricted to the editorial content. This is not censorship, it is ethical behaviour. How would you feel about regular posts on the benefits of heroin addiction? Now that's an idea! He might actually have to do something then.

Yep....there might just be some misinformation in this thread....you know, just a couple of hundred posts here and there.

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:54am
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Stok wrote:
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Think you mean the vaxers are scared lol

I love this trope, always get a good laugh when i see it. And I see it so much.

Anti vaxxers thinking people are getting vaccinated and responding effectively to a pandemic by following health advice, out of 'fear'.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

You know what hides fear, or is an attempt to hide fear? Denial. Denial that this is a serious disease, denial that actions need to be taken to mitigate it.

You know what shows fear? Not getting vaccinated because you reject the medical advice that the vaccines are safe and effective, but instead listened to one of the myriad of shameless grifters telling you that you're actually better off not doing anything, and you might die if you do get vaccinated.

Wrong again Stok. It takes courage to stand up against the system.

Unlike your little piss weak self, who loves to be dominated by some deranged power loving premier.

Some people just like being told what to do

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andy-mac Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 10:54am

TGA has approved Novavax...
Know some who were holding out for this, so I guess good news ..

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:02am

@BB , which varient was your study referring too ? Do you think the risk benefit analysis needs to change for omicron ? I noticed in your post that no children in either group got very sick . Also I now know more than 10 parents whose children age 6 and under have contracted and quickly recovered from covid in a few days , do you think these children should now be vaccinated ? Or any children that have recovered from covid ?

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:08am
blindboy wrote:

supa, ethical publishers fact check and remove misinformation from their sites or publish retractions if it appeared in hard copy. Ben has admitted in an earlier exchange that Swellnet is a publisher. Bottom line is that he is responsible for everything that appears in the forums. If his business model does not enable moderation, the forums should be closed, or at least restricted to the editorial content. This is not censorship, it is ethical behaviour. How would you feel about regular posts on the benefits of heroin addiction? Now that's an idea! He might actually have to do something then.

Yep, even Craig had a shot at me with my stats from yesterday I got from Mid Coast Area Health lol, (didn't suit his narrative) with no evidence of his own he showed.

You can say whatever you want on here to someone, with the most foul language one could dream up. Viclocal is the king, he wouldn't say to your face though I bet, small dog syndrome all bark no bite lol.

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mikehunt207 Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:10am

Only 11 am on the east coast and burleigh is 10 posts deep with the exact same "courageous" self affirmations and nothing new to say....... yawnnnnn

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:15am
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Only 11 am on the east coast and burleigh is 10 posts deep with the exact same "courageous" self affirmations and nothing new to say....... yawnnnnn

says the person who said nothing lol
bit weird counting someone posts haha

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bluediamond Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:19am
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Matilda0213 wrote:

Sorry i could of put quotation marks if you like but i didnt find it on any trump page. Just thought it sums up this thread and societys mental state pretty well. Ive encouraged people to get vaccinated im just shocked at the division its created in this country and many others.

Fair call Matilda, but rest assured, the division is almost purely created by anti vax propagandists, and far right 'freedom fighter' social media commentators. these people planted seeds everywhere, and are continuously 'crop dusting' with further divisive and emotive content designed to make you distrust the Governments.

What a good little whipping boy you are Stok,
The government are doing a marvellous job of making people distrust all by themselves.

You just want someone to blame.

You’ve taken the title of the biggest tool in this thread by a mile.

100%. Again, brilliant

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Roadkill Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:19am

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:31am
Roadkill wrote:

Quote "You can say whatever you want on here to someone"

A few (3 or more) family member have developed cancer after getting vaxxed.

A friend with leukemia caught covid, NSW health sent to guys with oxygen to her house...she was in the pool having fun, 2 guys left.

I know 4 people who have got shingles from getting vaxxed....

Imagine saying whatever you want :)

I was talking about foul mouthed insults.
You really do have no life if you have time to go back over people posts. Like others keep saying, After your cafe comment you have lost all credibility lol, hide your head in shame.

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Robo Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:30am

Can the roadkills cafe scenario be a sticky at top of page so all the new comers can see what they are dealing with, HELLO any moderators out there.

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Supafreak Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:32am

If this thread is taken down, does that mean people stop talking about this subject ? Just trying to understand what some believe will be accomplished by removing the topic . With nearly 95% vaccinated , why get all out of shape about what a minority write ?

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blindboy Thursday, 20 Jan 2022 at 11:32am

"@BB , which varient was your study referring too ? "

I doubt that they have that data supa.

"Do you think the risk benefit analysis needs to change for omicron ?"

No. We do not know the long term health risks to children from covid.

"I noticed in your post that no children in either group got very sick .
Also I now know more than 10 parents whose children age 6 and under have contracted and quickly recovered from covid in a few days , do you think these children should now be vaccinated ? Or any children that have recovered from covid ?"

Yes, the data is good that a correctly timed vaccination after infection produces higher immunity.

supa, you are free to make your own decision about vaccinating your children. From my reading the evidence suggests that vaccination is the safest route and that is the position of those with the best access to all the data and the greatest experience in the field. If you have not yet been able to bring yourself to the point of accepting that, then presumably you have made your choice and the odds are that your children will be fine anyway.
On a different note, after worsening cold symptoms, I had a PCR test thgis morning. I am thinking less than 50%. chance of it being covid, but I did have contact with a symptomless family member who later tested positive.