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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 21 Nov 2019 at 2:21pm

For when one interesting things thread isn't enough.

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Dale -Cooper Sunday, 14 Jun 2020 at 1:16am

Speaking of the golden age of nonsense...

"I don’t really follow much of what goes on in America, Stu . I aren’t familiar with who anyone is in their political arena so it doesn’t interest me. I think I’ve heard Trump speak about three times."

Stop the ultracrepidarianism, Blowie. It ain't hard. Otherwise you're the problem, numbnuts.

Stick to what you kinda know. Your career as a child actor in TV commercials, say?

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Dale -Cooper Monday, 15 Jun 2020 at 10:46pm

Awae n bile yer heid, Boris, you fuckin' knobdobber.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/pkybdm/united-celtic-republic-positiv...

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Westofthelake Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 1:42pm

The moral fibre is almost threadbare in this lot, and where's Dutto? He deserves to be on the wall.

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Dale -Cooper Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 2:14pm

"Never let a good crisis go to waste” is the common sense of the rich and the powerful.

It’s been clear since the start that the Federal Government wants to use the current crisis to reshape higher education. Education Minister Dan Tehan revealed a lot more of the gruesome detail in this horror show when he spoke at the National Press Club at 12:30 today.

The centrepiece: a massive funding squeeze on the sector.

The scale is staggering. Today’s report in The Australian notes that there are around 270,000 domestic university students, and that the Government “expects to have 100,000 extra university places by 2030 to meet growing demand but will not be investing significant extra funding to cover the additional places”. The short online courses promoted by the government in their package back in April were the start of these latest cuts, reducing the amount paid for a teaching course from nearly $18,000 per year to $13,700.

The implications are vast - reduced quality of courses, ballooning student-staff ratios, grinding pressure on workloads, wages and conditions. The need for resistance is just as obvious.

There are other elements to the attacks. A massive attack on humanities courses, more than doubling their cost, serves a “culture wars” agenda (who needs to know the history of this country or engage in critical political and social thinking?) as well as a “divide and rule” one. This builds on the Howard Government’s introduction of differential HECS in 1997.

The government’s existing funding model was designed in 2017 by the Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong, currently trying to force through major pay cuts on his own staff. Rather than fund every place, this model limits funding increases to demographic shifts in the population as a whole - putting enormous pressure on universities to cut costs per student.

Dan Tehan says “we want to align the cost of the degree with the contribution they are making” and to get people into jobs. But where are the jobs? The vast gulf between the number of jobs and the number of people unemployed or underemployed just keeps growing. This can only apply additional pressure on wages for those already in jobs.

The Liberals want to see university workers divided and weakened. This means attacking humanities and other courses while promoting the so-called ‘vocational’ areas. It means pitting teaching against research and forcing the further commercialisation of both. More private funding for research, and more marketing to attract student ‘customers’.

Tehan’s announcement builds on all the other attacks over the past several decades which have pushed the financial costs of higher education onto students and workers.

There’s a simple alternative to all this - publicly funded education paid for by a progressive taxation system. So if someone uses their law degree to become a high flying corporate barrister, they pay a lot more than someone who uses that same degree to become an overworked Legal Aid lawyer. So that corporate executives and corporations which profit from the employment of skilled labour pay for its education. We need an education system which is a public good - a centre for education, research, and democratic ferment - not the neoliberalised, profit-oriented machine which we see today."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/university-fees-tertiary-educatio...

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AndyM Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 5:49pm

“we want to align the cost of the degree with the contribution they are making”

That's a frightening statement of ideology.

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Westofthelake Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 5:59pm

It's the economic rationalist way Andy. All dollars and no sense.

Under the tertiary education overhaul, humanities and communications will be in the same cost bracket as law degrees.

Now there's a statement of ideology.

Not to mention "...profit-oriented machine which we see today"

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Vic Local Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 6:03pm

Yep, absolutely scary situation. Right when we need more funding for tertiary eduction there isn't any. Right when we need more critical thinking, the government undermines humanities degrees.
I actually believe a humanities degree is going to be incredibly valuable in the future. They create flexible minds who know how to think and can join the dots. I wouldn't be studying for any technical job where the work can be transferred by computer. Those workers are going to be competing against people from South Korea, China, India and pretty much every country in the world.

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AndyM Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 6:07pm

And right when we need better and more Independent journalism the government undermines communication degrees.

Ruthless.

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Dale -Cooper Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 7:21pm

"Who needs to know the history of this country or engage in critical political and social thinking?"

Marry that with the increasingly degraded media landscape (Nine and Murdoch as the major corporate players; the ABC bashed and kowtowed...and privatised??), and see what kind of politics and politicians we end up with?!

And the state of the country!

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JQ Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 8:19pm

It should help quieten down criticism of the government though Dale.

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Dale -Cooper Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 8:33pm

A race to the bottom and Trumped!

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 10:21pm

"A race to the bottom and Trumped!"

You bought that to Swellnet a long time ago facto.....

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Dale -Cooper Friday, 19 Jun 2020 at 11:07pm

I "bought" it??

Is that you, Donald?

Tre-mendous.

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Dale -Cooper Saturday, 20 Jun 2020 at 3:51pm

As for recent talk about the Arts and Humanities in the university space, and not going into nuts and bolts regarding, say, the Dawkins reforms and the changing perceptions of what universities are, what they provide, what they are expected to be/provide etc, and post-Howard's neoliberalism on steroids, a simple way of looking at the 'value' of such degrees, that are not necessarily and explicitly 'vocational', is the maxim that they do not show and tell you what to think, but how to think. That alone - the ability to construct an argument; how to engage in critical political and social thinking; processing and assessing sources of information - is of worthy 'value', not just to the individual, but to society as a whole...and not just defined and confined by fiscal considerations.

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sypkan Saturday, 20 Jun 2020 at 4:09pm

yeh I said that

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Dale -Cooper Saturday, 20 Jun 2020 at 4:11pm

Unless you're into the whole neoliberal thing?

You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's...

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Vic Local Saturday, 20 Jun 2020 at 6:24pm

Nic post at 3.51pm DC.
You're better value when posting like this.
For those who don't understand the value of humanities, ask yourself this question, "why do dictators round up academics very early during their reigns?".

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Dale -Cooper Sunday, 21 Jun 2020 at 2:39am

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Vic Local Sunday, 21 Jun 2020 at 5:40pm

It's still the immigrants fault D-C.

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soggydog Sunday, 21 Jun 2020 at 6:50pm

Age old story, labour hire companies are nothing but fucking leaches. Government kick backs for signing people up with no intention of providing jobs. How much tax money has been handed to these cunts for nothing. Sickening.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 21 Jun 2020 at 7:54pm

This started the day of the GST.
Mums & Dads couldn't cover 1-10 x GST 10% on $5,000 Bulk site loads.
Howard's GST wiped out 100's of family tradies o/n per town.

Warehouse Suppliers gulped the lot - Bulk Site Materials, Sundries, Labour Hire
GST Gold Mine opened for Big Bosses & their new Girl Fridays to pocket receipts.

Friday Strippers or Booze-ups so tradies were to fried to check pay envelopes.
They know which order to hand them out..New 1st > Regulars get more free beer.
Come Monday -Fri am/pm the boss was gone...returns Friday as the Pimp.

The goal is to fleece the Tradies on Labour & Material receipts...
So you get called to window half sloshed to grab yer dinky envelope...(Sort it later!)
20- 100 workers x 10% of $300 materials + 10% of $2,000 labour is good money.
There's $230 / worker per week going in the boss's BAS kitty (Now try & find him!)
Most of us tradies lose 3 afternoons a week spying on the Boss's house.
Just waiting the Boss... Yeah! Yeah! Having trouble with the Computer he says.
Eventually camp out to get our dockets but lose days & days doing so!

Was never like that pre GST! Now the Receipts are GST Wonka Bank Notes.
You see the GST empowers the rich with even more stolen wealth...(Our receipts)

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Dale -Cooper Monday, 22 Jun 2020 at 4:12pm
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Vic Local Monday, 22 Jun 2020 at 4:57pm

Dragging The Age and The SMH to the right makes absolutely no commercial sense. The Australian makes a massive loss and there's not a big enough market for one national right wing newspapers. Trying to chase that market at a state level is crazy.
I get the feeling Nine is following Rupert's business model, where the media is just an unprofitable heavy baton to ensure compliance.

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Dale -Cooper Tuesday, 23 Jun 2020 at 6:33pm

Never ending story.

https://www.protectningaloo.org.au/stop-industrialisation/?fbclid=IwAR3t...

Signed solidarity wouldn't go astray.

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Blowin Tuesday, 23 Jun 2020 at 6:09pm

That’s fucked up.

Thing is , the bastards will never , ever let up. It’s the modern world and the continuous expansion of population and greed .

Neoliberalism =

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Dale -Cooper Tuesday, 23 Jun 2020 at 6:30pm

Cheers for the nonsensical comment, comrade.

Anyway...

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Blowin Tuesday, 23 Jun 2020 at 7:19pm

Meanwhile....I was boots on the ground combating the last attempt to fuck the reef. Whilst you were breaking a rib trying to suck your own cock down south.

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Dale -Cooper Tuesday, 23 Jun 2020 at 9:33pm

Oi Blowie, what happened to your embarrassing 'shooting-yourself-in-the-foot' thread?

Dad told ya to pull your boozy head in?

I was gonna add yet another one of your 'psychological projections':

"Whilst you were breaking a rib trying to suck your own cock down south."

Anyway, back in the real world...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-will-fight-oil-and-gas-move-off-ninga...

The public can comment on the proposed areas until June 29.

https://consult.industry.gov.au/offshore-exploration/2020-acreage-releas...

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blowfly Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 1:57pm

Bullshit, tedious bullshit, tedious racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist aggressive bullshit. Distortions of the truth, fake news, outright lies, non sequiturs, strawmen, appeals to ignorance, false dichotomies, slippery slopes, circular arguments, wild generalisations, red herrings, tu quoque, appeals to authority, appeals to pity, equivocation, correlation equals causation. Ad hominen attacks, insults, sexual insults, racist insults, sexist insults, gross racist sexist sexual insults, always kicking down. Crawling, grovelling, arse licking, always up. Sad pathetic weirdo ramblings, intoxicated ravings. Bullshit, tedious bullshit, tedious racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist aggressive bullshit. Distortions of the truth, fake news, outright lies, non sequiturs, strawmen, appeals to ignorance, false dichotomies, slippery slopes, circular arguments, wild generalisations, red herrings, tu quoque, appeals to authority, appeals to pity, equivocation, correlation equals causation. Ad hominen attacks, insults, sexual insults, racist insults, sexist insults, gross racist sexist sexual insults, always kicking down. Crawling, grovelling, arse licking, always up. Sad pathetic weirdo ramblings, intoxicated ravings. Bullshit, tedious bullshit, tedious racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist aggressive bullshit. Distortions of the truth, fake news, outright lies, non sequiturs, strawmen, appeals to ignorance, false dichotomies, slippery slopes, circular arguments, wild generalisations, red herrings, tu quoque, appeals to authority, appeals to pity, equivocation, correlation equals causation. Ad hominen attacks, insults, sexual insults, racist insults, sexist insults, gross racist sexist sexual insults, always kicking down. Crawling, grovelling, arse licking, always up. Sad pathetic weirdo ramblings, intoxicated ravings. Bullshit, tedious bullshit, tedious racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist aggressive bullshit. Distortions of the truth, fake news, outright lies, non sequiturs, strawmen, appeals to ignorance, false dichotomies, slippery slopes, circular arguments, wild generalisations, red herrings, tu quoque, appeals to authority, appeals to pity, equivocation, correlation equals causation. Ad hominen attacks, insults, sexual insults, racist insults, sexist insults, gross racist sexist sexual insults, always kicking down. Crawling, grovelling, arse licking, always up. Sad pathetic weirdo ramblings, intoxicated ravings. Bullshit, tedious bullshit, tedious racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist bullshit, tedious toxic racist aggressive bullshit. Distortions of the truth, fake news, outright lies, non sequiturs, strawmen, appeals to ignorance, false dichotomies, slippery slopes, circular arguments, wild generalisations, red herrings, tu quoque, appeals to authority, appeals to pity, equivocation, correlation equals causation. Ad hominen attacks, insults, sexual insults, racist insults, sexist insults, gross racist sexist sexual insults, always kicking down. Crawling, grovelling, arse licking, always up. Sad pathetic weirdo ramblings, intoxicated ravings.

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Dale -Cooper Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 5:54pm

...and as always, worthy stuff gets lost in his slurry.

"Meanwhile...

some info from the heart.

https://fromtheheart.com.au/ "

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 3:51pm

I disagree with much that is said here, sometimes infuriating so, but at the end of the day we’re all in the same boat seeking a few good waves so hoping we just all chill out some and we’re okay at the end of the day. Less stress more stoke.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 8:09pm

More craziness

"John Adams slams ABC Sydney radio show for discussion over whether chess is ‘racist’

A Sydney radio station has come under fire from a former player for organising a segment to discuss whether chess was racist.

Former Australian chess representative John Adams has slammed the ABC for organising a radio segment discussing whether the popular board game is racist.

Professional economist Adams received a call from a Sydney-based ABC producer on Tuesday asking whether the game was racist because white always moves first.

“I just received a phone call from an ABC Sydney based producer seeking a comment about the game of chess,” Adams posted to Twitter.

“The ABC have taken the view that chess is RACIST given that white always go first!

“They are seeking comment from a chess official as to whether the rules of chess need to be altered!

“Trust the taxpayer-funded national broadcaster to apply ideological Marxist frameworks to anything and everything in Australia!

“With all the drama resulting from COVID-19, I am amazed that the ABC is broadcasting on irrelevant topics!”

(BTW. those last two sentences were not mine, they are also from the article that continues in the link)

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/john-adams-slams-abc-sydney-ra...

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mikehunt207 Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 8:40pm

Faaark what next?
At least Chess is gender correct with the all powerful queen being able to go any direction as many moves as she likes while the king just one move in any direction and pretty much good for fuck all.
Surfboard blanks are white too, might have to start staining that foam Burton / Dion / churchill etc.
Redskins and Chicos are changing their names also to suit also btw, not sure what the alternatives will be but in spanish chicos means kids so not sure if they have thought it out much but perhaps the colour of the lolly might be the issue there rather than the name? Redskins fair enough I guess but they get us through the weekend as grommets from the local beach kiosk, 5c each so a dollar went a long way. Fags became fads years ago . Lolly politics.

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Eugene Green Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 9:18pm

Jordan Peterson is back.
Seems he was right about everything.
Can he save the west?

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lostdoggy Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 3:45am

Indo, the ABC never said that chess was racist.
After a twitter post by someone, they decided to look at the topic and ask Adams his thoughts and he had a hissy fit for some reason. He’s clearly already anti abc.

The chess official
they interviewed instead ended up saying it was not racist.

Re. Adams saying - “The ABC have taken the view that chess is RACIST given that white always go first!

Not sure where this was ever shown to be the view of the ABC?

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:01am

ABC may not have technically said chess was racist, but by posing this question they are saying something...

...and that may be, that they've got nothing better to do with millions of dollars of resources than pose flippant silly questions that tend to signnal one's virtues...

seriously, all the heavy shit currently going down in the world and this is what the abc is pushing?

I want my 8c back!

(16.5c with inflation including gst)

I love my abc, and don't support funding cuts, but it's just getting more and more difficult to maintain this position...

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:21am

"Right wing sausage party"

Is this where we come rage about all things left, vegan, and feminine?

or is this where the fake left wannabe carpet munchers come to comtinue pushing their ip apologist expansionist economic colonisation* of the world?

*includes but not limited to;

corporate diversity push
tolerance totalitarianism
agenda 21
globalisation 2.0
aka - neoliberalism

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stunet Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:19am

Partisan news is now no longer an affectation but an expectation?

You're sounding more and more like the ideologue, Sypkan.

You understand that by posing a question there is every chance it will come back in the negative, hence showing the "virtue signallers" to be the superficial twats they are. 

Which is what happened.

It's quaint, I know, that news-style of old. And it means the ABC can never win, just check how Indo reported on the second-hand news story.

Check also how Sky and the RWNJs reported on it. Not one of them sought comment from the ABC, which would be the minimal expecation of classic news reporting, but sadly no longer.

It's point scoring and nothing more.

Checkmate.

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:26am

"You understand that by posing a question there is every chance it will come back in the negative, hence showing the "virtue signallers" to be the superficial twats they are. "

so a win win then...

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:27am

"...which would be the minimal expecation of classic news reporting, but sadly no longer."

glass houses and all that...

not you, abc...

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Westofthelake Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:30am

Just more right whinger nonsense from the news.com tabloid and perpetuation by the Sky news puff producers....courtesy of the Info channel.

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:49am

"nonsense"

who bloody started it? .....this nonsense you speak of?

as I've said many times... ya really gotta stop giving em so much material...

please!

they are winning the race of the ridiculous purely on volume

there's a perpetual fountain with no letting up in sight...

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stunet Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 8:55am

"so a win win then..."

Well no, you were on the side of the RWNJs till corrected.

Yesterday we ran a video of Dane Reynolds and a spiel penned by him about media misinformation. On this site and others people commented about how media is evolving, mourning the changes. But I'm not so sure about the concerns coming from a very large cohort. Reckon it's a case of crocodile tears.

You see, I think people want to be lied to as it affirms their prejudice and bias. Like your bias was on display those last few posts - classic case of it. You could've checked the sources, would've been very easy for a smart man like yourself, but instead you took biased second-hand stories for gospel - complete misinformation - stood resolute, then put in the boot ending on a tired old joke about wanting your taxpayer money back.

It may even be unwitting, but you, like others, seem to want media misinformation - in this case ABC supposedly pandering to shallow identity politics. I dunno for sure, but I assume it makes a shift to the right easier to resolve.

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Dale -Cooper Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 9:39am

Ouch!

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mikehunt207 Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 9:48am

How happy is the moron
He doesnt give a damm
I wish I was a moron
My god perhaps I am....

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sypkan Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 12:55pm

actually stunet, I knew the back story, I'd read it elsewhere, but I went with it anyway

because of this...

"ABC may not have technically said chess was racist, but by posing this question they are saying something..."

that's what I said, and I still believe it to be true

my point is about abc values, not gratuitous slander. they display those values proudly eveeyday, and rightly so...

its just that, they can come across a bit distant, a little bit karen...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-police.ht...®ion=footer

and not very self aware of their actual listeners

as mikehunt pointed out a few days ago

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 2:43pm

"Indo, the ABC never said that chess was racist.
After a twitter post by someone, they decided to look at the topic and ask Adams his thoughts and he had a hissy fit for some reason. He’s clearly already anti abc."

The question is why would they even bother making it a story?

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Vic Local Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 2:50pm

"The question is why would they even bother making it a story?"
Probably has something to do with chronic under-funding, and an ABC producer needing a "break glass in case of emergency" story to fill three minutes.
Quality costs money, so expect more of this type of thing as the LNP tries to destroy the ABC.
The ABC has had approximately $800 million cut from their budget by the Abbott / Turnbull/Morrison govt. That's about the same amount of corporate welfare given to News Limited during the same period. The funny thing is News Limited is still trusted much less than the ABC.

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stunet Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 3:00pm

"The question is why would they even bother making it a story?"

Because it shows the limits of systemic racism.

It should be a story that culture warriors agree with, except they're not listening to the content just reacting to the symbolism.

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Dale -Cooper Thursday, 25 Jun 2020 at 3:53pm

"they are winning the race of the ridiculous purely on volume

there's a perpetual fountain with no letting up in sight..."

You are talking about the corporate media, yes?

The ones with the profit model regarding news media?

And in particular the largest megaphone in town, the Murdoch stable, with their misrepresentations, distortions, disproportions, and outright mistruths ie bullshit, specifically tailored to a market that makes them a buck, and/or at least keeps them solvent?

You're Right, Sypkan!

There's a sucker born every nanosecond.