Interesting stuff
Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Spot on Roadkill, at the end of the day these are customers. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Holmes just got 11 years for the Theranos fraud. I wonder how many of those are coming? With money being thrown on startup founders in enormous amounts over the last decade one would expect a wave of upcoming fraud charges. FTX is a lesson that keeps on giving everyday, who’s next?
Reinstate former President Trump
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2022
Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Huh???
They aren't customers they are employees, he just wants employees who are normal people(not ideology driven or at least a broad mix of views) and decent workers.
9 out of 10 people that are going to leave twitter would have left already, but most are still on twitter doing what most people on twitter do giving their 2 cents worth.
It seems twitter is even receiving record user numbers.
Im certain the woke and left are just as welcome on twitter as anyone else, Musk and sensible people in general dont restrict or cancel people based on opposing thoughts or ideologies, they discuss or challenge opposing views instead, canceling is weak and only done by people that know their views are wrong.
BTW. Many of the biggest sponsors to leave or pause sponsorship were automobile companies, they left not because of fear of hate speech or uncertainty, but more because Musk owns Tesla and they fear their advertising won't get bang for buck or be suppressed or that he will use any data for Telsla benefit, or even anding money to Twitter is helping Musk/Tesla in a sense.
"Elon Musk begins unbanning some high-profile Twitter accounts, starting with Jordan Peterson and Kathy Griffin"
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-unbans-jordan-peterson-babylon...
He also unbanned Babylon bee.
This is great news Jordan was banned for using some Trans actors old name Elliot instead of Ellen.
Babylon bee similar
What’s a decent worker ? Someone that works 16 hours a day 7 days a week or someone that knows what they are actually doing and gets the job done efficiently in a minimal amount of time ? If you’re good at your job what’s the problem doing it from home ?
Its subjective and really up to the employer in this case Musk, but judging from things read and video it doesn't seem like much productivity has ever happened at twitter.
When you employee people you also want people who are on board with your vision, you dont want people who are suppose to be working for you working against you.
Supafreak wrote:What’s a decent worker ? Someone that works 16 hours a day 7 days a week or someone that knows what they are actually doing and gets the job done efficiently in a minimal amount of time ? If you’re good at your job what’s the problem doing it from home ?
It’s about the results. As long as they are achieved no one cares if someone did it in 6 or 10 hours. Musk is good in building from scratch which usually involves very lean resources and almost cult like dedication. But managing an established corporation is a different beast. It gets too big and cult effect drops off. Employees’ expectations and goals eventually get closer to the mean.
This guys take on what musk is doing at Twitter is similar to indo’s views . In the comments some agree , some have good points for why it doesn’t add up . Be interesting to see if Twitter survives until xmas . https://twitter.com/oliverbcampbell/status/1593434329153245185?s=46&t=cOjHAZjAuCcqnDBtIGRLYQ
Much of what he said made some kind of sense, but I still have a feeling Elon is flying by the seat of his pants right now.
Also unsure why Elon would spend $44 billion to give the above suggestion a whirl. There are other ways he could have achieved it (indeed, in April he had already become the largest shareholder).
There are going to be some grumpy punters.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/sports/soccer/world-cup-beer-qatar.html
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/112m-world-cup-sponsor-budweiser-c...
I 100% agree with that guys post.
I dont think it's just about work ethic though but also changing the overall culture too.
Obviously the risk is you lose people that know the ins and outs of things and retraining takes time.
BTW. Im sure normally i can only see the original post, but now i can see replies too, just wont let me view replies to replies
Supafreak wrote:. Be interesting to see if Twitter survives until xmas .
If it's going to fail surely it's going to take much longer than a few weeks id say more like 12 months plus, he could take losses for ages and cutting staff he is minimising loses and is likely to regain sponsors rather than lose more especially if user numbers are up.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:. Be interesting to see if Twitter survives until xmas .
If it's going to fail surely it's going to take much longer than a few weeks id say more like 12 months plus, he could take losses for ages and cutting staff he is minimising loses and is likely to regain sponsors rather than lose more especially if user numbers are up.
Yeah, I’m thinking more along the lines that Twitter will shutdown without the people to rectify a system failure .
indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Huh???
They aren't customers they are employees, he just wants employees who are normal people(not ideology driven or at least a broad mix of views) and decent workers.
9 out of 10 people that are going to leave twitter would have left already, but most are still on twitter doing what most people on twitter do giving their 2 cents worth.
It seems twitter is even receiving record user numbers.
Im certain the woke and left are just as welcome on twitter as anyone else, Musk and sensible people in general dont restrict or cancel people based on opposing thoughts or ideologies, they discuss or challenge opposing views instead, canceling is weak and only done by people that know their views are wrong.
BTW. Many of the biggest sponsors to leave or pause sponsorship were automobile companies, they left not because of fear of hate speech or uncertainty, but more because Musk owns Tesla and they fear their advertising won't get bang for buck or be suppressed or that he will use any data for Telsla benefit, or even anding money to Twitter is helping Musk/Tesla in a sense.
Woke workers cater to and understand a woke customer base. Get rid of the woke twitter staff and replace with a right wing group think and you drive a huge customer base away. Business needs to understand who their base is and where their revenue comes from.
A mix of ideas and staff is important.
Btw, how do you know the staff Musk is getting rid of are not normal people? And they are lazy?
Maybe you should offer your considerable knowledge of all things staff to Musk, you could be a consultant.
Another train wreck.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/remarkably-deluded-fifa...
Lots of billionaire simps in the surfing world ay?
Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Huh???
They aren't customers they are employees, he just wants employees who are normal people(not ideology driven or at least a broad mix of views) and decent workers.
9 out of 10 people that are going to leave twitter would have left already, but most are still on twitter doing what most people on twitter do giving their 2 cents worth.
It seems twitter is even receiving record user numbers.
Im certain the woke and left are just as welcome on twitter as anyone else, Musk and sensible people in general dont restrict or cancel people based on opposing thoughts or ideologies, they discuss or challenge opposing views instead, canceling is weak and only done by people that know their views are wrong.
BTW. Many of the biggest sponsors to leave or pause sponsorship were automobile companies, they left not because of fear of hate speech or uncertainty, but more because Musk owns Tesla and they fear their advertising won't get bang for buck or be suppressed or that he will use any data for Telsla benefit, or even anding money to Twitter is helping Musk/Tesla in a sense.
Woke workers cater to and understand a woke customer base. Get rid of the woke twitter staff and replace with a right wing group think and you drive a huge customer base away. Business needs to understand who their base is and where their revenue comes from.
A mix of ideas and staff is important.Btw, how do you know the staff Musk is getting rid of are not normal people? And they are lazy?
Maybe you should offer your considerable knowledge of all things staff to Musk, you could be a consultant.
Twitter in the past has clearly been very ideological driven from top down to the point Musk who doesn't belong to left or right a true centrist, purchased it to get rid of the ideology and create a platform that treats people fairly as possible where ideas can be debated and not canceled.
While lots of woke people use twitter, i highly doubt the user base is woke, the majority of people in society aren't woke or left or right, its fair to assume twitter users overall are the same. (BTW. again I'm certain those woke users are just as welcome by Musk to use twitter as others, and just as welcome to share their crazy views, like men can have babies etc, that's what free speech is about)
And why on earth would you think Musk wants to replace staff "with a right wing group think"???
That would be just as bad as having a a woke ideology driven platform, it goes against the whole purpose of buying twitter.
In regard to staff, the company clearly needed a clear out and a change of culture, if they are hard workers and not ideological driven then I'm sure they wouldn't want to leave and he wouldn't want to lose them.
135 tonnes with nowhere to go...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-11-18/new-york-farms-have-a...
“Twitter in the past has clearly been very ideological driven from top down to the point Musk who doesn't belong to left or right a true centrist, purchased it to get rid of the ideology….”
Do you truly believe that Indo?
@indo , you say musk is all for freedom of speech and people shouldn’t be canceled, instead their views should be debated. This all sounds good but it’s not what he’s done with Twitter ( yet ) . There’s plenty of people, some professionals and well known in their fields that were canceled during covid and haven’t been allowed back . If he can so easily reinstate the people he canceled why not reinstate others ? Trump has stated he won’t come back even if invited and Musk would probably love to have him back because it would attract more viewers. Musk has started a few surveys but is having problems with bots , which is something he said he’d remove . The main adds I’m seeing at the moment are for gambling and meeting slavic women. I don’t gamble and not I’m not interested in dating sites .
Musk…i’m all for freedom of speech.
Engineers (multiple)….Um, actually Elon that is incorrect.
Musk…You're (all) fired.
Musk is actually a bit of a precious snowflake and can’t really take criticism or having his shortcoming or lack of knowledge / understanding highlighted.
blackers wrote:“Twitter in the past has clearly been very ideological driven from top down to the point Musk who doesn't belong to left or right a true centrist, purchased it to get rid of the ideology….”
Do you truly believe that Indo?
Indo has absolutely no idea what left and right mean apart from maybe applying them to who people vote for.
I’d actually like to see trump back on Twitter for entertainment but even if I could sign up to truth social I would give it a pass .
. Some believe the poll is a bot trap which would actually be pretty smart if true. Comments are entertaining as always.Trump was asked today about Elon Musk’s poll to reinstate him: “He’s a character. I tend to like characters. But I have something called Truth Social. It’s doing phenomenally well. Engagement is much better. I’ll be staying there. I don’t see it. I don’t see any reason for it.” pic.twitter.com/TuZDi7aCB3
— Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 (@RonFilipkowski) November 19, 2022
What bewilders me is how someone who: self describes himself as someone who spent his formative school years drawing instead of listening to teachers; says he doesn’t read books; and recently claimed he nolonger engages with any social media can seek to explain here such complex executive management functions like corporate change, restructuring and culture. I guess it’s possible but it’s bewildering nonetheless
Trump will be back on Twitter in a heartbeat if he gets a chance.
freeride76 wrote:Trump will be back on Twitter in a heartbeat if he gets a chance.
Definitely
AndyM wrote:blackers wrote:“Twitter in the past has clearly been very ideological driven from top down to the point Musk who doesn't belong to left or right a true centrist, purchased it to get rid of the ideology….”
Do you truly believe that Indo?Indo has absolutely no idea what left and right mean apart from maybe applying them to who people vote for.
He only has a tenuous grasp on what "woke" means, despite liberally throwing the word around.
Supafreak wrote:What’s a decent worker ? Someone that works 16 hours a day 7 days a week or someone that knows what they are actually doing and gets the job done efficiently in a minimal amount of time ? If you’re good at your job what’s the problem doing it from home ?
Now things are back to normal, it is time to get everyone back to the office 9-5. Elon has exactly the right idea. The surf has been way too crowded, and so many people out is scaring the fish ;)
To me it seems that Elon is doing... exactly what he said he'd do.
Here's a timeline of his whole approach to takeover:
https://www.ign.com/articles/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-and-the-chaos-t...
Poll results
Reinstate former President Trump
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2022
Whaling and culling interesting too
freeride76 wrote:Trump will be back on Twitter in a heartbeat if he gets a chance.
I'm curious on this.. what happens to Truth Social then? Would quickly lose the primary reason for its existence. But would Trump shut it down if it started losing traffic?
The people have spoken.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 20, 2022
Trump will be reinstated.
Vox Populi, Vox Dei. https://t.co/jmkhFuyfkv
that's fast democracy
Trump loves the attention of getting him back on twitter. Twitter needs Trump more than Trump needs twitter. Trump knows this.
Everything Trump says and does is reported in various media, so twitter does not offer Trump a more wider audience than what he reaches now.
I would imagine truth social offers Trump more and with TS he is 100% in control. He may go back to twitter in the future if TS does not gain a huge number of new signups. TS is right and I don’t think too many from the left will sign up and it may be twitter than can allow him to wind up and trigger the left..depending on how many stay with twitter.
I did predict Trump running in 2024 (he's announced - doesn't mean he'll win the Republican ticket) and twitter clearance being necessary upthread...
blackers wrote:“Twitter in the past has clearly been very ideological driven from top down to the point Musk who doesn't belong to left or right a true centrist, purchased it to get rid of the ideology….”
Do you truly believe that Indo?
Im honestly confused which bit you wouldn't agree with???
1. The ideological driven bit?
2. Musk political leanings?
3. Or reason for twitter purchase?
Supafreak wrote:@indo , you say musk is all for freedom of speech and people shouldn’t be canceled, instead their views should be debated. This all sounds good but it’s not what he’s done with Twitter ( yet ) . There’s plenty of people, some professionals and well known in their fields that were canceled during covid and haven’t been allowed back . If he can so easily reinstate the people he canceled why not reinstate others ? Trump has stated he won’t come back even if invited and Musk would probably love to have him back because it would attract more viewers. Musk has started a few surveys but is having problems with bots , which is something he said he’d remove . The main adds I’m seeing at the moment are for gambling and meeting slavic women. I don’t gamble and not I’m not interested in dating sites .
The first lift on banning only happened yesterday, they seemed the most obvious high profile bans to be lifted they were bans that made no sense to most people to begin with and very ideology driven.
Who knows what other well know bans will be lifted, obviously you start with the easy decisions first and work towards the harder ones.
Obviously many people banned have been banned for real reasons, so it doesn't mean everyone who's been banned will receive ban lifts.
And you are also never going to keep everyone happy but the aim is obviously to just find some sensible middle ground that has been missing.
Id expect its impossible to get rid of bots completely, when ive heard Musk talk its been about reducing the incentive for bots and reducing exposure to bots through algorithms, id expect that will take time.
You really need to let go of this idea that Twitter will magically become perfect overnight, things always take time the guy is literally rebuilding a company in all kinds of ways, you would expect it will take months to reshape things as needed could even take a year or so to reach his vision.
Indo said “ You really need to let go of this idea that Twitter will magically become perfect overnight, “ this is hilarious indo , you need to let go of this idea that everything is going to plan .
indo-dreaming wrote:blackers wrote:“Twitter in the past has clearly been very ideological driven from top down to the point Musk who doesn't belong to left or right a true centrist, purchased it to get rid of the ideology….”
Do you truly believe that Indo?Im honestly confused which bit you wouldn't agree with???
1. The ideological driven bit?
2. Musk political leanings?
3. Or reason for twitter purchase?
All of it really, but principally the reason for buying Twitter. Coz if it is true then your idealogy argument becomes irrelevant as the purchase is an idealogical move. The bloke is a business man, he does stuff to make money, anything said otherwise is just Snake oil showpony shit. As shown by how hard he tried to pull back from the deal once he realised he had offered well over the odds. As for all the earlier discussion of productivity and the 10% of staff who do v 90% dead weight, it would be interesting to see the basis for those figures. They sound pretty much made up to support an idealogical viewpoint to me. Anyways, enjoy your day.
thermalben wrote:freeride76 wrote:Trump will be back on Twitter in a heartbeat if he gets a chance.
I'm curious on this.. what happens to Truth Social then? Would quickly lose the primary reason for its existence. But would Trump shut it down if it started losing traffic?
I'm just guessing, but I think he will do both.
Maintain TS for his base and go back onto Twitter to get back his "mainstream" audience.
Trump's twitter ban definitely reduced his media reach.
Truth social has just over 4 million subscribers, trump had 86 million followers on Twitter. Truth social isn’t trumps money and has some problems of its own . https://time.com/6216670/trump-truth-social-struggles/
Supafreak wrote:Truth social has just over 4 million subscribers, trump had 86 million followers on Twitter. Truth social isn’t trumps money and has some problems of its own . https://time.com/6216670/trump-truth-social-struggles/
Truth Social is Trumps vanity / ego play. That ego / vanity is used in 99% of decisions Trump makes.
Will be an interesting battle to watch play out.
Supafreak wrote:Indo said “ You really need to let go of this idea that Twitter will magically become perfect overnight, “ this is hilarious indo , you need to let go of this idea that everything is going to plan .
My understanding from what others have said in interviews and from Musk is he doesn't work like how you might expect, this is the plan and we follow it and we either succeed or fail.
I think he works more with a basic plan and idea but then adjust as needed, he is constantly adapting and re evaluating things and isn't scared to make mistakes or admit when he does or care at all what others think, this is the way he works and the process he uses.
This was reconfirmed to me yesterday listening to a podcast with Robert Zubrin American aerospace engineer about getting to Mars and living on mars ect, he has worked with Elon and has great respect for him and says he will get his flight going to mars and was explaining that Musk might blow up six ships getting there but by doing so each time he will learn and improve, this is the process he uses.
If something doesnt work out, its not a failure its an experience to learn from and part of the process, I guess thats the difference between people like Musk and most of us, we look at things as either failure or success instead of looking at things as a process to success.
So why buy it in the first place, if you don't know exactly how to fix it? $44 billion is a lot for a bit of a larf.
I reckon this bloke has the most accurate take on what's happened.
So here's my hypothesis on the whole Musk twitter deal. 1/
— skullsinthestars (@drskyskull) November 18, 2022
Absolutely Indo, try and if you don't succeed, refine or replan and try again
And he’s back. Fun times ahead.
Elon Musk reinstates Donald Trump's Twitter account after 15 million accounts respond to poll - ABC News
thermalben wrote:So why buy it in the first place, if you don't know exactly how to fix it? $44 billion is a lot for a bit of a larf.
I reckon this bloke has the most accurate take on what's happened.
Why buy it? Ego, vanity, god complex…? Irrationality is complex but it exists and we need to live with it.
thermalben wrote:So why buy it in the first place, if you don't know exactly how to fix it? $44 billion is a lot for a bit of a larf.
I reckon this bloke has the most accurate take on what's happened.
That is an epic read
thermalben wrote:So why buy it in the first place, if you don't know exactly how to fix it? $44 billion is a lot for a bit of a larf.
I reckon this bloke has the most accurate take on what's happened.
Haha, right wing, mouth breathers!
Have it cunts