Interesting stuff
flollo wrote:And finally, he will definitely get heaps of people to pay $8. Vanity is a ‘terrible drug’ and exploiting it can be quite lucrative. And Elon is a global superstar, even if his own ‘fan club’ joins in it will bring a substantial amount of revenue.
Yep, you can only get a blue tick if you have some kind of status and can verify it, $8 is nothing and only makes having a blue tick more prestigious, so if you aren't really anybody special and too tight to pay $8 a month, who cares you can still have a normal twitter account.
He has said they will get more for that price than blue ticks do now too, i saw an interview where he explained it wasn't just about making money but a way to decrease chance of fake accounts, although im not exactly sure how that works.
Musk has been on a slide since that whole pedo tunnel thing. It was ego that got him to buy twitter, I spend a bit of time on it and most are hanging shit on him and hanging around to see what happens. There is a substantial drop in the number of ads already and many tweeps say they are leaving for Dorseys new twitter, Blue Sky, as soon as it sets up. Good chance it goes the way of MySpace and Elon burns plenty of cash like Rupert did. He is not well liked on twitter, very, very few positive Musk comments compared to negative ones. You should get on twitter Indo, you would like it, good fun and very informative.
Reporting is less transparent for a private company…if bots are at the figures Musk quoted they won’t be reported in truth…that would make Musk’s purchase price even more stupid…and more bots = less actual people = less ad revenue. And advertisers will leave in greater numbers. I don’t think many people will pay US$80 per year to post to a small and reducing base.
I find Twitter very entertaining and good for a laugh, also some interesting people and topics , some real characters. Good that you can block trolls and anybody that annoys you too much. I have only had to block a few scammers, don’t comment that much . The adds have dropped right off , not many now .
Who knows…If you are a celebrity or an influencer (or at least you think you are) you will have to pay $8 or explain why you didn’t pay when someone asks (and they will ask). Will they say they are broke? What kind of influencer is that? Many will definitely pay but the real question is, how many? Personally, if I cared about twitter I would definitely pay, who cares about $8.
flollo wrote:Who knows…If you are a celebrity or an influencer (or at least you think you are) you will have to pay $8 or explain why you didn’t pay when someone asks (and they will ask). Will they say they are broke? What kind of influencer is that? Many will definitely pay but the real question is, how many? Personally, if I cared about twitter I would definitely pay, who cares about $8.
Did you read what stephen king wrote ? I don’t think its the $8USD that bothers people , it’s giving Elon Musk $8USD a month that bothers people. I find Elon both interesting and also a bit of a knob , all that money and what’s he doing with it ? Trying to fly to mars and be the king of social media .
Well, that’s certainly a view by some. But I can’t see for example Kim Kardashian not willing to pay $8 because of some ‘ideals’. People pick their own problems in life, to some giving money to Elon is a problem. Others don’t even think about these things. I personally fall into this others category. I’ve got other problems to worry about, I don’t care what he does with my $8, that’s his own thing.
Mark Hunt defeats Sonny Bill Williams in 'unbelievable' boxing upsethttps://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/sonny-bill-williams-vs-mark-hunt-bo...
No real surprise there.
I was surprised Hunt lost to Gallen
Supafreak wrote:flollo wrote:Who knows…If you are a celebrity or an influencer (or at least you think you are) you will have to pay $8 or explain why you didn’t pay when someone asks (and they will ask). Will they say they are broke? What kind of influencer is that? Many will definitely pay but the real question is, how many? Personally, if I cared about twitter I would definitely pay, who cares about $8.
Did you read what stephen king wrote ? I don’t think its the $8USD that bothers people , it’s giving Elon Musk $8USD a month that bothers people. I find Elon both interesting and also a bit of a knob , all that money and what’s he doing with it ? Trying to fly to mars and be the king of social media .
Im sure there would be people like that but you would expect most wouldn't be so petty, most that whinge now will just suck it up and pay.
Im sure they would prefer to keep their blue tick especially if it comes with perks like boast in post, others will lose it and just have a standard account, some might leave but majority will stay and keep and pay for their blue tick, because its a status symbol and they want their voices heard hence why they are on twitter.
And the alternatives for getting a voice heard aren't great elsewhere like Facebook (need to pay to boast post if want a good reach) or Instagram (more a visual medium with same need to boast post) Youtube maybe best alternative but really its a bit different, its not as quickly digestible..
BTW. Who else with money in the world really does anything special?
Most just spend it on living the high life, it's only really Bill Gates or Richard Branson that seem to do anything half interesting.
But Elon is next level he has all these crazy projects going
-Tesla: Totally pushing the envelope on EV's including driverless cars clearly way ahead of any competitor.
-Tesla Energy- That does solar systems and batteries (power wall)
- Space X: That covers stuff from satellite internet system to all kinds of crazy space exploration projects ad rockets etc.
-Buying a social media platform because he doesn't believe its currently a level playing field.
Then on top of that he has started a whole heap of other companies and projects, some still going some sold or merged all kinds of crazy stuff (some a bit scary), he is also into a number of sports/hobbies.
The guy is a freak, no idea how he manages it all
Personally i love his mix, because he is so hard to pigeonhole, he is really vocal about being anti woke and free speech (hence left often dont like him)
But on the flip-side is is a big driver(no pun intended) in pushing EV's and solar system battery tech. (so lots of conservatives see him as a leftie and even dont trust him with buying Twitter)
Personally i love his mix and kind of love his smart arse twist, but I also get that he would rub others up the wrong way, plus lots of people just dont like others who are successful (tall poppy syndrome)
adam12 wrote:Musk has been on a slide since that whole pedo tunnel thing. It was ego that got him to buy twitter, I spend a bit of time on it and most are hanging shit on him and hanging around to see what happens. There is a substantial drop in the number of ads already and many tweeps say they are leaving for Dorseys new twitter, Blue Sky, as soon as it sets up. Good chance it goes the way of MySpace and Elon burns plenty of cash like Rupert did. He is not well liked on twitter, very, very few positive Musk comments compared to negative ones. You should get on twitter Indo, you would like it, good fun and very informative.
Id expect with most social media things, its all about the circles you are in to the view you get on a person or topic, all these new social media platforms are pretty irrelevant though its like trying to start a new search engine and compete against google but even harder in a way as they only become interesting when people are on them in large numbers and people you know or dig or if they can provide something a bit different like Tick tock or snap chat, not that I've ever used those.
Anyway Twitter seems to political for me plus i have enough social media in my life.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:flollo wrote:Who knows…If you are a celebrity or an influencer (or at least you think you are) you will have to pay $8 or explain why you didn’t pay when someone asks (and they will ask). Will they say they are broke? What kind of influencer is that? Many will definitely pay but the real question is, how many? Personally, if I cared about twitter I would definitely pay, who cares about $8.
Did you read what stephen king wrote ? I don’t think its the $8USD that bothers people , it’s giving Elon Musk $8USD a month that bothers people. I find Elon both interesting and also a bit of a knob , all that money and what’s he doing with it ? Trying to fly to mars and be the king of social media .
Im sure there would be people like that but you would expect most wouldn't be so petty, most that whinge now will just suck it up and pay.
Im sure they would prefer to keep their blue tick especially if it comes with perks like boast in post, others will lose it and just have a standard account, some might leave but majority will stay and keep and pay for their blue tick, because its a status symbol and they want their voices heard hence why they are on twitter.
And the alternatives for getting a voice heard aren't great elsewhere like Facebook (need to pay to boast post if want a good reach) or Instagram (more a visual medium with same need to boast post) Youtube maybe best alternative but really its a bit different, its not as quickly digestible..
BTW. Who else with money in the world really does anything special?
Most just spend it on living the high life, it's only really Bill Gates or Richard Branson that seem to do anything half interesting.
But Elon is next level he has all these crazy projects going
-Tesla: Totally pushing the envelope on EV's including driverless cars clearly way ahead of any competitor.
-Tesla Energy- That does solar systems and batteries (power wall)
- Space X: That covers stuff from satellite internet system to all kinds of crazy space exploration projects ad rockets etc.
-Buying a social media platform because he doesn't believe its currently a level playing field.
Then on top of that he has started a whole heap of other companies and projects, some still going some sold or merged all kinds of crazy stuff (some a bit scary), he is also into a number of sports/hobbies.
The guy is a freak, no idea how he manages it all
Personally i love his mix, because he is so hard to pigeonhole, he is really vocal about being anti woke and free speech (hence left often dont like him)
But on the flip-side is is a big driver(no pun intended) in pushing EV's and solar system battery tech. (so lots of conservatives see him as a leftie and even dont trust him with buying Twitter)
Personally i love his mix and kind of love his smart arse twist, but I also get that he would rub others up the wrong way, plus lots of people just dont like others who are successful (tall poppy syndrome)
Maybe was once a status symbol…now it’s something anyone can buy. It’s reduced to a meaningless income source.
Yeah i did see he is proposing anyone can validate an account.
Seems a but murky on what that would mean
Ive seen talk of a change of system, blue ticks as is with perks and grey ticks for other accounts that are properly verified not sure if they pay.
Expect they would as I expect this is how he aims to get rid of bot accounts.
If you dont pay your post and comments get far less exposure.
As it is one person can create thousands of bot accounts, but if those accounts comments aren't seen by people its irrelevant and if they were to pay to be active it wouldn't be viable to have many bot accounts.
Anyway will be interesting to watch what happens.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/11/07/elon-musk-twitter-changes-telsa-int... Elon Musk’s Twitter changes can be explained by this one simple number……….that’s a lot of blue ticks
"Coffee and a cookie!"
Yeah thanks Stu, I'm getting him in my recommendations regularly now thanks to one viewing.
Enthralling stuff.
He has some balls too.
Author Antonio Garcia Martinez explains how targeted ads work:
Living in a rapidly gentrifying town there's been an increase in Teslas on the road, and I wonder if those drivers are concerned their back left wheel might suddenly fall off or their brakes will fail.
If he was known for nothing else but this Twitter fuck up would you buy a car from Elon Musk?
Way it's going I wouldn't buy a whipper snipper from the centre aisle at Aldi if it had his name attached to it.
stunet wrote:Way it's going I wouldn't buy a whipper snipper from the centre aisle at Aldi if it had his name attached to it.
Turns out the 25.4cc Petrol Line Trimmer is in aisle 3.
https://www.aldi.com.au/en/special-buys/special-buys-sat-15-october/satu...
hahahaha......I have a bunch of Aldi whipper snippers in the shed here Stu, if you fancy a lightly used second handy.
Jeff Fenech wins super featherweight world title 31 years after controversial draw with Azumah Nelsonhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-09/jeff-fenech-wins-world-title-31-y.... I remember watching this title fight and thinking after the decision that boxing was truly a corrupted sport.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/musk-communicates-twitter-employees-bank... Musk communicates to Twitter employees that ‘bankruptcy is not out of the question’
Supafreak wrote:https://finance.yahoo.com/video/musk-communicates-twitter-employees-bank... Musk communicates to Twitter employees that ‘bankruptcy is not out of the question’
Employer of the year.
"I take full responsibility. You take your personal belongings as you are escorted from the premises/have your laptop wiped remotely."
Don’t think the blue tick is working out as good as Elon was hoping, still if it raises money to pay the bills , does he really care ? I can see some Russian and Chinese hacks having some cheap $8 a month fun with the blue tick .
This feature has been in place for less than one day pic.twitter.com/VvYFhSiX5I
— Matt Bevan (@MatthewBevan) November 10, 2022
The damage he's doing to Twitter and his own reputation.. I don't know if it's reversable.
What a shambles and shit show.
Craig wrote:The damage he's doing to Twitter and his own reputation.. I don't know if it's reversable.
What a shambles and shit show.
I dunno...
for every 'triggered liberal' hating on him, there's at least an anti triggered liberal loving his work
('anti triggered liberal' does not necessarily equate to rwnj ... not for some of us anyway...)
no doubt he's doing damage to the 'elitist' nature and reputation of twitter, but I dare say he's engaging a whole new audience...
I signed up just for the shit show, I have not been disappointed
sypkan wrote:Craig wrote:The damage he's doing to Twitter and his own reputation.. I don't know if it's reversable.
What a shambles and shit show.
I dunno...
for every 'triggered liberal' hating on him, there's at least an anti triggered liberal loving his work
('anti triggered liberal' does not necessarily equate to rwnj ... not for some of us anyway...)
no doubt he's doing damage to the 'elitist' nature and reputation of twitter, but I dare say he's engaging a whole new audience...
I signed up just for the shit show, I have not been disappointed
There’s some classic trump quotes surfacing
This part seems interesting. pic.twitter.com/9jOwiuMtyj
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) November 11, 2022
"...still if it raises money to pay the bills , does he really care ?"
I honestly don't think he gives a shit
his issue is more about the damage twitter was doing to the public discourse from what I can gather
he knows he paid way too much for it, I dare say he went through with the sale because he saw the pending court case as too much of an inconvenience as much as anything
having said that, apparently he has big plans about how the whole thing operates, planning to make it more similar to the chinese 'wechat'
...whatever that means...
but i did hear he plans to make it more of an all encompassing platform, where you can buy shit and have a credit account and stuff
I honestly think he sees his buy as a community service more than anything, but if he has to totally reform the product to turn a profit when he loses all the 'triggered liberals', then he'll do that too...
fwiw, I think he's a bit of a wanker, and shows it when he gets loose at the hip. and I think his vote republican comment was dumb and the biggest mistake he has made, ...but generally I've enjoyed some of his comments and interactions with the usual suspects... and it seems he's enjoying himself too...
44bil... pffffffff... chicken feed...
(or so it seems)
Supafreak wrote:Don’t think the blue tick is working out as good as Elon was hoping, still if it raises money to pay the bills , does he really care ? I can see some Russian and Chinese hacks having some cheap $8 a month fun with the blue tick . https://twitter.com/matthewbevan/status/1590651058174693376?s=46&t=5_b6W...
this kinda post would have been high fived all-round post 2003 invasion. why is this not funny now. what's the problem?
I love when people complain about Twitter … on Twitter 🤣🤣
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 10, 2022
Usage of Twitter continues to rise. One thing is for sure: it isn’t boring!
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 10, 2022
Hit all-time high of active users today
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 11, 2022
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dunno how sustainable it is
but maybe his business plan is working...
It's weird how there is so much negativity towards Elon and Twitter anything he does seems to be attacked, firing workers or making any changes.
The guy is one of the worlds most successful business man, if it's possible to make twitter work, for the company to make money and be a platform where people are treated equally and as fairly as possible, he will make it happen, but he marches to the beat of his own drum and likes to tinker things in real time and it won't happen over night.
BTW. Interesting that Facebook an established business this week laid off 13% (11,000) employees but that got little press.
There’s plenty of media reporting the layoffs at meta , if you can’t recognise that Elon has fucked up then you’re not paying attention. Oh and BTW Elon doesn’t consider himself a businessman, he see’s himself as an engineer.
ID, perhaps you don't understand the gravity of this evolving catastrophe with Twitter. There's a very real chance that one of the world's biggest social media platforms could be gone within 6-12 months. Irrespective of whether you like Twitter or Elon, that's a staggering development just two weeks in.
I think Elon's ego got way ahead of himself, and subsequently he's found himself in a difficult position - owning Twitter, but having made grand statements about free speech, which unfortunately (for him) can't be reconciled in a commercial world. And he's taken on a shitload of debt to finance the purchase (interest repayments alone are $1.2 billion per year, which is way more than the business makes in revenue).
Re: Facebook - it's had stacks of press. And for sure, this week's lay-offs are terrible.
But, for a little more context, Facebook's employee count was 71,970 in December 2021. Last week (prior to the lay-offs) they totaled around 87,000. Which means they've hired 15,000 people in the last eleven months. So, they're still up 4,000 employees since last December.
indo-dreaming wrote:It's weird how there is so much negativity towards Elon and Twitter anything he does seems to be attacked, firing workers or making any changes.
BTW. Interesting that Facebook an established business this week laid off 13% (11,000) employees but that got little press.
Not that weird. Though undoubtedly successful with Tesla and SpaceX he's been cocky and pugnacious so there'll be many people looking to see him brought down a peg or two. Such thinking isn't reserved for him, it's human nature.
His mouth got him into this train wreck. If he said nothing he wouldn't have been legally bound to follow through. I foresee a day when 'musk' becomes a synonym for a horrible fuck up: "You really musked up that takeoff'.
Elon's also proving to be a bit naive when it comes to free speech. It's one thing to spout platitudes about free speech when there's no consequences to yourself - every now and again someone pops up on Swellnet saying as much - but it's another when reality bites. Saying he's a "free speech absolutist" was an absurd position, as is clearly being shown now.
This is an issue of our time so it's no wonder people are following it.
Personally, I have no beef with him but I struggle to reconcile someone so gifted as to create Tesla and SpaceX being so silly as to label themselves a free speech absolutist then spend $44 billion on a platform that needs advertising to survive.
Also, Facebook is a whole other issue. Those employees were hired recently under the Meta expansion, so not part of the core business. A failed side-venture is all.
Seems to be a comprehensive blanket left woke anti-Trump politically-motivated pro-covid pro-censorship anti-free speech motivated war on Musk trying to silence any positive comments or independent thought about Musk and his purchase of twitter.
It’s even playing out in here.
It’s exactly the same censorship event we just went through for 2.5 yrs of covid that cancelled any questioning or independent thought about what’s going on - any wrongthink.
Seems that people are now programmed to try to cancel any views they simply “don’t like” or that doesn’t align with their woke anti-Trump pro-covid etc groupthink or political ideology.
From what I understand a major motivation of Musk purchasing twitter is to go to war with this mass woke left progressive anti-free speech pro-censorship cancel culture that we now live in.
If that’s the case then I hope Musk also buys out meta, google etc and fixes things there too.
gsco wrote:Seems to be a comprehensive blanket left woke anti-Trump politically-motivated pro-covid pro-censorship anti-free speech motivated war on Musk trying to silence any positive comments or independent thought about Musk and his purchase of twitter.
It’s even playing out in here.
It’s exactly the same censorship event we just went through for 2.5 yrs of covid that cancelled any questioning or independent thought about what’s going on - any wrongthink.
Seems that people are now programmed to try to cancel any views they simply “don’t like” or that doesn’t align with their woke anti-Trump pro-covid etc groupthink or political ideology.
From what I understand a major motivation of Musk purchasing twitter is to go to war with this mass woke left progressive anti-free speech pro-censorship cancel culture that we now live in.
If that’s the case then I hope Musk also buys out meta, google etc and fixes things there too.
Wot.
indo-dreaming wrote:The guy is one of the worlds most successful business man, if it's possible to make twitter work, for the company to make money and be a platform where people are treated equally and as fairly as possible, he will make it happen, but he marches to the beat of his own drum and likes to tinker things in real time and it won't happen over night.
I suppose you are referring to this:
Please note that Twitter will do lots of dumb things in coming months.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 9, 2022
We will keep what works & change what doesn’t.
How about this then?
“Hello and welcome to your SpaceX flight. Please note that will do lots of dumb things in the coming hours. We will keep what works & change what doesn’t. Enjoy your flight!”
— The Shovel (@TheShovel) November 10, 2022
stunet wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:It's weird how there is so much negativity towards Elon and Twitter anything he does seems to be attacked, firing workers or making any changes.
BTW. Interesting that Facebook an established business this week laid off 13% (11,000) employees but that got little press.
Not that weird. Though undoubtedly successful with Tesla and SpaceX he's been cocky and pugnacious so there'll be many people looking to see him brought down a peg or two. Such thinking isn't reserved for him, it's human nature.
His mouth got him into this train wreck. If he said nothing he wouldn't have been legally bound to follow through. I foresee a day when 'musk' becomes a synonym for a horrible fuck up: "You really musked up that takeoff'.
Elon's also proving to be a bit naive when it comes to free speech. It's one thing to spout platitudes about free speech when there's no consequences to yourself - every now and again someone pops up on Swellnet saying as much - but it's another when reality bites. Saying he's a "free speech absolutist" was an absurd position, as is clearly being shown now.
This is an issue of our time so it's no wonder people are following it.
Personally, I have no beef with him but I struggle to reconcile someone so gifted as to create Tesla and SpaceX being so silly as to label themselves a free speech absolutist then spend $44 billion on a platform that needs advertising to survive.
Also, Facebook is a whole other issue. Those employees were hired recently under the Meta expansion, so not part of the core business. A failed side-venture is all.
Musk never created Tesla.
stunet wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:It's weird how there is so much negativity towards Elon and Twitter anything he does seems to be attacked, firing workers or making any changes.
BTW. Interesting that Facebook an established business this week laid off 13% (11,000) employees but that got little press.
Not that weird. Though undoubtedly successful with Tesla and SpaceX he's been cocky and pugnacious so there'll be many people looking to see him brought down a peg or two. Such thinking isn't reserved for him, it's human nature.
His mouth got him into this train wreck. If he said nothing he wouldn't have been legally bound to follow through. I foresee a day when 'musk' becomes a synonym for a horrible fuck up: "You really musked up that takeoff'.
Elon's also proving to be a bit naive when it comes to free speech. It's one thing to spout platitudes about free speech when there's no consequences to yourself - every now and again someone pops up on Swellnet saying as much - but it's another when reality bites. Saying he's a "free speech absolutist" was an absurd position, as is clearly being shown now.
This is an issue of our time so it's no wonder people are following it.
Personally, I have no beef with him but I struggle to reconcile someone so gifted as to create Tesla and SpaceX being so silly as to label themselves a free speech absolutist then spend $44 billion on a platform that needs advertising to survive.
Also, Facebook is a whole other issue. Those employees were hired recently under the Meta expansion, so not part of the core business. A failed side-venture is all.
Musk never created Tesla.
The commercial world/history is littered with previously highly successful international companies buying non core business only to find their expertise, IP, capital is spread too thinly. Most survive at a loss after divestment but some don’t. Let’s see how this lands
gsco wrote:Seems to be a comprehensive blanket left woke anti-Trump politically-motivated pro-covid pro-censorship anti-free speech motivated war on Musk trying to silence any positive comments or independent thought about Musk and his purchase of twitter.
It’s even playing out in here.
Where's it playing out in here?
seems to me that the main thing people are petrified about with Musk buying twitter is him opening it back up to actual free speech and removing a lot of the (particularly politically motivated) censorship
Edit: where's it playing out in here? Seems that everyone is trying to cancel indo for having independent thoughts.
Business case should be evaluated independent of Elon’s character which was very questionable well before the twitter deal. The company is in jeopardy because it took on an enormous amount of debt to finance the deal. Although I will question the valuation I will not question the structure of the deal which in my view makes perfect sense. Debt should be loaded onto the business and if business has great product offering it will survive the rest of time. If not, it will fall into oblivion.
Have it cunts