Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 10:58am

"Then compound this with being afraid to walk the streets cause there’s mobs of violent fuvkwits who will beat down ordinary civilians".
"ordinary citizens"? Oh FFS blowin now you've really gone full idiot. Yes the radical fringe of ANTIFA can be violent but they never beat down "ordinary citizens". They beat the shit out of Neo-Nazis and other right wing thugs.
Here's your problem blowin. Saying ANTIFA is a terrorist organising is pure fascism. It criminalises thoughts and opinions. Marching in the street in support of oppressed people isn't a crime, but it would be if Trump got his way. Trump thinks he can ignore the US constitution, and his idiot statements may impress you, but that doesn't mean he can actually follow up his moronic statements.
You do realise you're supporting taking McCarthyism to an entirely new level. One where the death penalty can be imposed on people who stand up for racial inequality.
You really are an idiot.

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 10:54am

pretty funny hollywood stars getting around with signs defund the police

like to see how their little bubble would hold up with no police...

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 11:00am

pretty funny no one is worried about the social distancing of these protestors too

whilst those other ones...

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AndyM commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 11:29am

@Guy

And the same could be said about Australia.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 12:45pm

VL ANTIFA uses same flag 1920's Communist movement in Germany did, Hitler's brownshirts & SA ultimately overcame them, you'd think ANTIFA would be able to design a new logo with all the graphic designers around. And as always, follow the funding - go take a look at who funded 1917 Bolshevik revolutionaries, shipped them into Russia, paid them, supported them. Less glorious revolution and more 'confessions of an economic hitman' takedown of a society. Look at what a young Stalin did (socialist newspaper writer in BROOKYLN of all places...)

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 12:57pm
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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:24pm

wow those vids are heavy

burning homeless man's bed ...not cool... by the 'communists' apparently...

happy to see the amazon van go down, there's some rough justice there...

except for the poor driver

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:17pm

Looters have a unique running style.

There should be a special Olympics event for looters.

The 200 metres hurdles with big screen and boxed Air Jordans.

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stunet commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:20pm

Some of the Twitter feeds I've been sifting through are radical. Gunfire and flash bombs, more police brutality, police throwing KKK signs to the camera, swarms of people enaging in peaceful protests, but it's moved so far beyond George Floyd that incurring his name almost seems irrelevant now. This is an expression of something else.

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:26pm

I reckon we're well into the much touted pending civil war now

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267212624703479809

wait til the honkeys with guns see this one

there's no going back from the craziness we're seeing in the streets now

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:28pm

Stu....I reckon there’s a coordinated Antifa anarchy in motion with the motive to depose Trump by making the USA appear uncontrolled .

Which makes it politics insurgency against a democratically elected leader.

I agree that the original protest is becoming overwhelmed and there’s a shit load of ideological being pushed amongst the opportunistic criminal activity. I just think that there is that current of organised upheaval which needs to be quelled. Above and beyond a resentment at inequality, neoliberalism and disenchantment with modern USA.

I believe there’s a dedicated anti-Trump “ resistance “ being enacted through premeditated and orchestrated anarchy . That’s anti-democratic, not anti- fascist.

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:29pm

Antifa.

The Dream :

The Reality

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stunet commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:37pm

Maybe....though I have precisely zero sympathy for Trump.

From the get go he's exploited America's fragile fault lines. Not once during his tenure has he led for all of America, attempted to heal divisions and bring people together, instead he endlessly talks to his base.

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 1:37pm

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:00pm

Oh FFS Blowin.
ANTIFA is not a political movement capable of over throwing a president. That's just crazy-talk.
I fucking hate racism, have marched for reconciliation, and have helped undermine white supremacist groups in Australia. You'd call me ANTIFA for sure.
Judging from your fucked up posts, I'm part of a terrorist group that is "dedicated (to) anti-Trump “ resistance “ being enacted through premeditated and orchestrated anarchy."
Kind of like the time you wanted me executed for treason.
Hey blowin you absolute cooker, have you worked out how pathetic your comments are yet?

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:00pm

Stu....what do you call it when the Fake left democrats and the MSM blames White people for everything ?

Is it not fomenting racial division to pint the finger at White people and say. “ That whole race is responsible for your problems.” What message and concept do you think they are creating with the constant reinforcement that White privilege is the cause of life’s ills ?

It’s “ othering “ . No less. It’s promoting racial disharmony.

Go read the Guardian one day and pay attention to the “ X movement “ whereby First Nation’s hatred of white people is stoked and fuelled.

Same same.

It’s creating racism and delineating between skin colours. Actually, it’s not even skin colours anymore , now that interracial relationships and interracial children are so prevalent. It’s now purely antagonism between heritage.

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zenagain commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:01pm

Those vids are heartbreaking.

Pretty sure that was a Mazda, not a Benz.

How lucky we are. I'm feeling for the homeless fella and the people having their hardwork and livelihoods destroyed under the guise of justice for Floyd. If the burning and looting are trying to make a point, I'm having trouble seeing it.

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:04pm

Bullshit blowin. Which Fake left democrats and the MSM is saying “That whole race (White people) is responsible for your problems.”
Name names blowhard. You're talking absolute shit again.
And what the fuck is the "X Movement". Have you hit the piss early today?

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:05pm

Stu....maybe I’m wrong here , but I’m not aware of any instances where Trump has promoted divisions between black and white Americans.

He has created more black employment than any previous President.

Maybe you could show me something concrete ?

Has Trump ever said a racial slur against black people ? As far as I’m aware , Black people are over represented in the lower socioeconomic classes that Trump gave voice to and claimed to champion.

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:22pm

killermike's on the money (not that I know who he is...)

speaking some sense...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267212624703479809

cnn gets a mention

"I love CNN ... but what I'd like to say to CNN right now- karma's a mother..." Killer Mike said. "Stop feeding fear and anger every day. Stop making people so fearful. Give them hope!"

can I get a 'yeeehhhh mike!!!!!'

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:11pm

antifa are a fucking joke

and, they are totally organised

and, they are the privelaged offspring of 'the resistance'

so once again, it's actually viclocal that's full of shit...

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:13pm

Indigenous X?

guardian flogs it almost daily

full of shit again

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:14pm

viclocal that is....

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goofyfoot commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:34pm

Sypkan that video is so fucked up. Fucking weak as piss

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mikehunt207 commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:41pm

So Vic is saying Racists attacking people and acting up = bad, anti racists attacking people and acting up = good? Really Vic ? All I see are opportunists of every colour being cunts and taking advantage of a very seriously fucked situation. What a mess.

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stunet commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:42pm

Don't really know anything about IndigenuosX but just searched and looked back through six months worth of articles.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/indigenousx

Blowin and Sypkan, it's not the colour of your skin you should be worried about but how thin it is.

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AndyM commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:44pm

Seems like you're close to "peak Karen" today Vic :)

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AndyM commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:54pm

Bloody close to Brenda, even.
Mate do you have to get your hair styled after each time you go boogie boarding?

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:55pm

So blowin is going to make sweeping generalisations and accusations, and provide zero evidence to back it up. Now there's a surprise, said nobody ever.
"So Vic is saying Racists attacking people and acting up = bad, anti racists attacking people and acting up = good?"
No Mikehunt. Where exactly did I say that again? That's one of the most pathetic straw man arguments I've ever seen.

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:00pm

Stu.....I took a look at your link and none of those articles are what I was referring to. I was thinking of the articles promoting irreconcilable divisions between First Nations and white Australia. Not sure how to locate them now , not particularly inclined to do so either.

If you want to think I’m thin skinned cause I reject the idea that I’m a perpetual guest in my native land then good luck and so be it . I’m not about to cede my right to be considered as Australian as anyone in thought or action .

If it makes you feel better to touch your toes and spread your cheeks whilst people with 1/16th blackfella in them tell you that you will never belong in Australia, then it’s less about your dermal layers and more about your lack of ability to sort what’s right from what’s self indulgent rubbish.

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Snuffy Smith commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 2:59pm

China,Antifa left right right left what's left to hate?Oh privileged offspring?Hey if you surf or have surfed on a regular basis in the last 30yrs in Australia your going to fall into that privileged offspring category seems that some have more/ less of a social conscience than others.

Balls of fire

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:03pm

"Seems like you're close to "peak Karen" today Vic :)"

central park karen?

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:06pm

Stu....either way , my point is proven about the MSM promoting racial division. Sure , you might not be affected cause you’ve got the tolerance and enlightenment of a zen Buddhist.

Doesn’t mean the effect the articles have on people like myself aren’t intentional. The MSM plays the race card to divide the populace. It’s not just about empowering the minority, it’s also about disempowering White people.

What do you think the whole white privilege trope is about ?

This was my original point , in that it’s hardly appropriate to finger point Trump as the primary instigator of racial division in the USA when the fake left MSM and politics is more than guilty of it themselves.

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AndyM commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:05pm

You leash those comments Syppo ;)

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stunet commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:06pm

"Doesn’t mean the effect the articles have on people like myself aren’t intentional. "

What articles?

If you're talking about IndigX stuff, they're telling their stories as remaining members of a beaten down race.

It's not about you.

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stunet commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:08pm

"my point is proven about the MSM promoting racial division."

Where? How?

In this thread or somewhere else?

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:09pm

"Stu....either way , my point is proven about the MSM promoting racial division."
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Blowin, You didn't provide any evidence at all. All you did was make a statement. I'm fucking glad you're not my defence lawyer.
"My client is innocent. I rest my case" would be the best I could hope for.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:10pm

Stu....the articles are out there . You can go,look and find them if you want.

The articles I’m talking about reinforce divisions between white and black Australians. They objectify the entirety of white Australia as guilty , perpetuating oppression and illegitimate Australians.

There’s another journo in the guardian who specialises in it too.

And yes....that is about me.

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:19pm

Stu....my point is proven because the Guardian is unambiguously harping on the fact that Black Australians and white Australians are seperate. Rather than playing to the strengths of our commonality and shared culture , our unity in modern Australia or our future together, they focus on that which comes between us. That which divides us.

This is promoting racial division.

As I’ve told you before , I’ve got nothing but love and time for First Nations people. The best moments are when there is nothing between us. When the whole white / black delineation is forgotten.

The blackfellas may have a slightly different perspective, but so do the Australians I meet who are city oriented or the Australians I meet who live way inland and have no attachment to the coast .

We are all Australians. Different, but United.

I don’t get that feeling of unity when I’m reading articles promoting separation between white and black Australia. The intention to foster that division is promoting racial disharmony .

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:27pm

I agree Blowin those that claim to be against division both media, groups and individuals are often the most divisive and damaging..

BTW. Just glad we are not USA.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Blowin commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:28pm

Some of the articles I read do as much for racial harmony as Clementine Ford does for gender harmony.

It’s all finger pointing, recriminations and stark highlighting of any divisions . They’re confrontational and place the subjects in opposition.

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:38pm

yep

us and them

hatefilled in it's delivery

clementine fucking ford!!!

the irony, again...

how was her latest misadventure?

naaaassstty

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 3:44pm

Oh FFS blowin, link an article to back up your argument. You talk absolute shit and can't back any of it up.
Where is the article "promoting separation between white and black Australia."?
You made the claim so back it up. Don't give us that "You can go look and find them if you want" bullshit.
"There’s another journo in the guardian who specialises in it (promoting racial tension) too." Who is it blowin? You don't even have a fucking name ya clown.

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:14pm

You know Vic Local for someone that preaches peace and tolerance you do come across very aggressive especially with that gun profile pic..

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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JQ commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:16pm

Funny you should mention Clementine Ford Blowin, I see you as very very similar to her. She sees sexism in anything and everything and has a sub-nanometre skin.

You see your particular grievances in everything and are wildly offended by the slightest of criticism.

Your point is not proven at all Blowin, it is all your opinion, which you seem unwilling or unable top separate from fact. How come you can't find the supposedly damning indigenous X article? Is it perhaps because it only exists in your memory or a Bolt opinion piece? I've read a few of those indigenous X articles, I don't see anything as extreme as you do, you are reading so much more into it than there is (just like Clementine Ford) and I'm not saying it's a difference of opinion either, you are literally taking it so far beyond what is printed and just running with it. I don't understand why a reasonably articulate adult like yourself has to make these dishonest and tenuous leaps you so often do.

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JQ commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:34pm

This is an interesting point you raise Blowin:

'This alone would be treasonous, but they are actually increasing racial disharmony by falsely aligning their movement with the tragedy of discrimination against African Americans. Every violent assault on an innocent person , every burning library , every looted shop removes a little bit of public empathy with the legitimate protest by African Americans. To have Antifa premeditate as many of these actions as they can under cover of sympathy with the Black protest is harmful to that black protest.'

But, as usual, you've viewed it through your own personal grievance / political lens.

1. None of the agitators arrested have faced court yet - their affiliations and motivations are nothing but speculation at the moment. To attribute it all, or even mostly, to Antifa is not a reasonable conclusion at this point.

2. Whilst I don't doubt Antifa has substantial overlaps with anarchists, this really isn't their typical MO is it. Their standard is violent counter protests when right wing protests / demonstrations are taking place. Why would they (aside from aforementioned plain anarchists) want to get involved in this.

3. Again, no one has been in court yet, to claim this is premeditated is a leap at this stage.

4. You correctly identify that violence initiated by outsiders diminishes the point of the original protest and is harmful to the righteous cause they are concerned about - namely the institutional racism of the US police force that leads to unnecessary deaths of racial minorities. Now, tell me, does that result sound desirable to any particular groups to you? Perhaps white nationalist militia types? Now again, no one arrested has faced a judge yet, so all speculation now but have a look at something like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement

To insinuate, as you have done, that this violence is solely, or even mostly, down to Antifa is completely unreasonable and laughable given the current available information. As you do so often here Blowin, you've taken the available information and filled the gaps in with your own opinions to suit your particular political desires and pretended like the results are verifiable facts.

The bottom line is that there are many groups in the US who will take an opportunity like this to sow discord, try and breed hatred and division and plenty who just want to flat out break shit.

Just be thankful that our country, while it has its own problems, is in a much healthier state than the US.

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AndyM commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:46pm

Are headlines such as this divisive or supporting an undoubtably struggling minority or both?
Consciously or not?

https://www.abc.net.au/?WT.z_navMenu=abcNavLogo&WT.z_srcSite=tv&WT.z_lin...

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AndyM commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:51pm

Fucking hell...

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Vic Local commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:57pm

Spot on JQ.
Blowin's MO is to take a position that re-enforces his prejudices and pre-conceived ideas and then he tries to reverse engineer the "facts" to suit his conclusion. It's one of the reasons why he struggles so hard to back up any of his arguments. When he makes a wild claim, like ANTIFA being the driving force behind and organised campaign to overthrow a democratically elected president, his evidence goes MIA.

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velocityjohnno commented Monday, 1 Jun 2020 at 4:57pm

If you can divide a nation into colours and genders and sexualities and have it constantly in-fighting based on these, you can strip mine and loot it of the wealth, productive ability, resources and quality of life its people enjoyed and they won't notice; as they are too busy fighting amongst themselves.