2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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sypkan Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 11:40am

"Everyone I know from any political persuasion is over lock downs and Covid..."

yep

that does seem to have great difficulties penetrating the labor brains trust though...

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AndyM Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 2:12pm

Hey Indo, I found this the other day - you lose it?

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 4:13pm

Is he really still around?.

Ha ha sorry ive never voted for him or that party or even considered it.

Funny how people picture others.

I think last time i voted was the first time ever I've voted conservative, i put One Nation first, with LNP second, i don't agree with half of One nations policies, but it was more a protest type vote because Aljazeera media went after Pauline, i just hated the fact they were trying to mess in our politics did it right before and election.

I will probably just vote LNP number one this time, for the first time ever.

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groundswell Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 4:24pm

Most people i speak to love Mcgowans lockout policies but there are some people who hate him. Probably been stuck here away from families im guessing but i reckon he has done a great job keeping WA relatively covid free.
Even Scott Morrison calling him names hasn't faded him. I wont be voting for Scott next election.

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AndyM Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 4:31pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Is he really still around?.

Ha ha sorry ive never voted for him or that party or even considered it.

Funny how people picture others.

I think last time i voted was the first time ever I've voted conservative, i put One Nation first, with LNP second, i don't agree with half of One nations policies, but it was more a protest type vote because Aljazeera media went after Pauline, i just hated the fact they were trying to mess in our politics did it right before and election.

I will probably just vote LNP number one this time, for the first time ever.

Just stirring you Indo, you're pretty right-wing but The Reverend Fred doesn't seem like your cup of tea.
Found this buried under some shit at work and it's just too funny to throw out.

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andy-mac Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:30pm

Fred use to be loopy on scheme of things, in Morrison govt he would be classed as a lefty!! Haha...

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tubeshooter Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 10:57pm

haha The Rev was a classic.
Joh for PM (RIP)

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tubeshooter Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 11:10pm

No sign of a comeback from Mr Trumble.

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Craig Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 11:04am

How bloody good :/

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lostdoggy Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 11:11am

Then add staffing costs on top of the wholesale price too
Just read it - +$4.30 for handling.
Not sure that covers it or not.
Doubt it.

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andy-mac Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 11:09am

I don't hold a RAT mate.....

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blackers Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 11:25am

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gragagan Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 11:19am

Who are the fuckwits who voted these arseholes in?
I've always had a theory that anyone who votes for the LNP are either:
a/ evil, in that they know what they are voting for and actually support it (cuts to healthcare, aged care, education etc, corruption, dodgy contracts for their 'mates', increasing military spending (the list goes on).
or: b/ Really fucking stupid, like serious brain-injury stupid, in that they believe the propaganda BS from "scotty from marketing". Or religious stupid, they vote for them because they're christian too.

They've done absolutely NOTHING for aged care, except cut funding. Even after the Royal Commission, even with covid spreading. And now they try to stop the exodus of staff with a $400 cash payment. And "we can't increase wages because the industry can't sustain it"? Of course it can't sustain it you idiots keep cutting funding. They hand over $40 billion of taxpayers money to profitable private corporations, yet nothing for aged care. Minimum wage is only $21 an hour or something, junior check-out chicks get paid more. Staff are leaving in droves, elderly people are being neglected. All facilities that I know of are down at least several staff per shift. And no it's not from vaccine mandates, the anti-vaxxers left the industry a few years ago when they brought in yearly mandatory flu shots.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-01/unions-slam-aged-care-cash-paymen...

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AndyM Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 12:55pm

"They hand over $40 billion of taxpayers money to profitable private corporations, yet nothing for aged care."

This c### walked into work the other day and started mouthing off about how he supports small government and how the government should stand back and let the market do its thing with regards to RATs.
Fella obviously had no idea what he was talking about.
I wondered if he'd heard it somewhere and was just trying to sound knowledgeable or be controversial.
Imagine letting the likes of Gerry Harvey corner the market.

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AndyM Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 12:58pm

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andy-mac Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 3:03pm
gragagan wrote:

Who are the fuckwits who voted these arseholes in?
I've always had a theory that anyone who votes for the LNP are either:
a/ evil, in that they know what they are voting for and actually support it (cuts to healthcare, aged care, education etc, corruption, dodgy contracts for their 'mates', increasing military spending (the list goes on).
or: b/ Really fucking stupid, like serious brain-injury stupid, in that they believe the propaganda BS from "scotty from marketing". Or religious stupid, they vote for them because they're christian too.

They've done absolutely NOTHING for aged care, except cut funding. Even after the Royal Commission, even with covid spreading. And now they try to stop the exodus of staff with a $400 cash payment. And "we can't increase wages because the industry can't sustain it"? Of course it can't sustain it you idiots keep cutting funding. They hand over $40 billion of taxpayers money to profitable private corporations, yet nothing for aged care. Minimum wage is only $21 an hour or something, junior check-out chicks get paid more. Staff are leaving in droves, elderly people are being neglected. All facilities that I know of are down at least several staff per shift. And no it's not from vaccine mandates, the anti-vaxxers left the industry a few years ago when they brought in yearly mandatory flu shots.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-01/unions-slam-aged-care-cash-paymen...

Nail on head!
My wife just finished up working in aged care. The work they do from wiping arses, copping abuse, being under staffed, offering emotional support, lifting and bathing people, feeding, and basically being run of their feet every shift for just over $20 an hour is a farking joke .. Double the amount is still not enough!
She won't be going back, and she got into industry not from financial necessity but wanted to help oldies and do her bit.

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Blowin Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 3:11pm

People like Roadkill are who votes the LNP back in.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 3:13pm
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People like Roadkill are who votes the LNP back in.

Swing voter actually. Have voted for both the main parties.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 5:41pm

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I focus Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 6:15pm

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Looks like I jumped the gun there SF trying to help out :-)

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Supafreak Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 6:42pm

@I focus, that’s uncanny how we posted same meme minutes apart , geez slippery scotty copped it today at the press meeting, tingles questions were very uncomfortable and the bloke asking if he new the price of bread, milk and Rat was hilarious. https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/02/01/morrison-press-club-address-criticism/

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 6:53pm

My wife works in aged care, yeah it's low paid work and like anyone she would love a higher hourly rate, and i have no idea how she can wipe old peoples arses etc.

But lets be real it's low skilled work, you can basically walk in with no qualifications just a police check and bamm you have a job and secure work all year round, holiday pay, long service leave and although a crap hourly rate it always goes up a little and the big bonus is salary sacrifice and there always seems to be little perks like this recent payment plus better money on weekends and public holidays.

Compared to other low paid jobs she has done (or i did when young) its heaps better in many ways, for instance anything in the hospitality industry (she did lots of house keeping) is much worse just because its so insecure one month you are working your arse off, next month you barely get enough hours to pay bills, and no holiday pay, no long service leave and no real perks other than some better rates on weekends or public holidays.

Its just life low skilled jobs will always be lower paid than higher skilled jobs.

Me and my mates whinged about it for years, before saying fuck this and went out and did other things by getting more skills or creating businesses

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Cockee Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 7:17pm

Agreed grag. Suggest we hunt down LNP voters by raiding their usual haunts - churches, private schools/hospitals, RSL's, golf courses, polo events, MCG/SCG Members' Stands, boutique bars and restaurants, aboriginal missions, etc etc. Once we've rounded them all up we can intern them and re-educate them/terminate them (humanely).

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 1 Feb 2022 at 10:02pm

“... But lets be real it's low skilled work, you can basically walk in with no qualifications ...”.

Info, I’ve long held the view there is dignity in all work and if your wife treats the residents with kindness and respect, as I’m hopeful she does, then she is doing us all a great service and she and her colleagues more generally in the AC sector deserve all the rewards that come her way.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 2:54pm

Low skilled???
Maybe on paper, but I thought you needed a Cert 3 which is nearly a year full time study at TAFE.
Think they display skills such as compassion, personal care of fellow humans many in their last stages of life. At end of day it is bloody hard work both physically and mentally. They may not have the skills of a merchant banker or CEO on million dollar packages, but I reckon their services are of greater importance to society and humanity. $21 an hour really is a joke.
With an aging population, if this situation is not properly addressed, there will be lots of old people dying in aged care in lonely miserable conditions....
Personally I reckon that's fucked and the government should take on the royal commission recommendations. Under an LNP govt unlikely as they would rather use tax payers money to prop up foreign fossil fuel companies than look after their own citizens...

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andy-mac Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 2:54pm

Low skilled???
Maybe on paper, but I thought you needed a Cert 3 which is nearly a year full time study at TAFE.
Think they display skills such as compassion, personal care of fellow humans many in their last stages of life. At end of day it is bloody hard work both physically and mentally. They may not have the skills of a merchant banker or CEO on million dollar packages, but I reckon their services are of greater importance to society and humanity. $21 an hour really is a joke.
With an aging population, if this situation is not properly addressed, there will be lots of old people dying in aged care in lonely miserable conditions....
Personally I reckon that's fucked and the government should take on the royal commission recommendations. Under an LNP govt unlikely as they would rather use tax payers money to prop up foreign fossil fuel companies than look after their own citizens...

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Vic Local Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 3:29pm
Blowin wrote:

People like Roadkill are who votes the LNP back in.

Hang on. Hang on a sec.
What are you saying here blowin? We all know you're going to give your primary vote to a racist or crackpot far right party like One Nation or UAP, but are you saying your preference vote will be given to the "Fake lefties" rather than Scumo's awful mob? Or maybe it's a Vote 1 porleeeeeeen and then a cock and balls on the rest of the ballot? Please let us know blowin.
I'm genuinely intrigued.

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zenagain Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 3:35pm

You seem to already know Vic.

Why did you ask?

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Blowin Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 3:40pm
zenagain wrote:

You seem to already know Vic.

Why did you ask?

He’s already been told, but the angry little gremlin who lives in the tiny desiccated husk he calls a brain, found the answer not suitable or useful to his insane rants and decided to expel it.

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groundswell Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 5:43pm

A lot of people in this town pissed off with Mcgowan as you cant buy beer at any bottlo without proof on your phone of being double vaxed. My 63 year old best mate isnt double vaxxed and got into an argument with the staff and relies on me to buy his beer for him. He doesn't even own a phone or printer so its impossible to prove his vaccinations and was rejected entry.
Looks like ill be buying his beer from now on.

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Vic Local Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 6:16pm
zenagain wrote:

You seem to already know Vic.

Why did you ask?

No I don't know Zen, that's why I asked blowin. He rants and raves about Scumo all the time, and he hates Labor with an absolute passion. I'm actually intrigued about who blowin sends his vote to. It's got to go somewhere after One Nation or UAP. I'm just interested in who blowin would prefer run the country. I'm tipping for all the hatred he has for Scumo and co, they will still be getting blowin's vote. At least he will have something to whinge about after the election.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 6:27pm

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sypkan Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 6:43pm

keep the bullshit flowing vicvocal...

it's pretty clear he won't vote UAP, and more than likely not ON too, but the truth isn't important to the angry gremlin...

as to preferences... I personally am finding it incredibly difficult to find any reason at all to chose a term of nagging tennis albo over a shitful scumo...

as woeful a person as scumo is, labor just seem to have nothing to offer other than 'anything but trump'

and look how that turned out...

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 6:55pm

... and who do you vote for? Must have an arse full of splinters fence sitting as you do ....

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 7:15pm
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“... But lets be real it's low skilled work, you can basically walk in with no qualifications ...”.

Info, I’ve long held the view there is dignity in all work and if your wife treats the residents with kindness and respect, as I’m hopeful she does, then she is doing us all a great service and she and her colleagues more generally in the AC sector deserve all the rewards that come her way.

Yeah for sure, I'm not dissing the work at all, and all respect to them, but end of the day its still a low skilled job hence why low pay.

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Low skilled???
Maybe on paper, but I thought you needed a Cert 3 which is nearly a year full time study at TAFE.
Think they display skills such as compassion, personal care of fellow humans many in their last stages of life. At end of day it is bloody hard work both physically and mentally. They may not have the skills of a merchant banker or CEO on million dollar packages, but I reckon their services are of greater importance to society and humanity. $21 an hour really is a joke.
With an aging population, if this situation is not properly addressed, there will be lots of old people dying in aged care in lonely miserable conditions....
Personally I reckon that's fucked and the government should take on the royal commission recommendations. Under an LNP govt unlikely as they would rather use tax payers money to prop up foreign fossil fuel companies than look after their own citizens...

Nah i don't think you need anything really to be a PCA Personal care assistant just a police check, although i do remember her having to do some very basic study or real basic certificate latter or something but nothing that major and she got a bonus for doing it too, every few years they have to do very short study updates i think more for OHAS etc and get a bonus for it.

You can do further study to become more of a basic nurse (forgot what they call it) but even then the pay rate only goes up a few dollars, she was going to do it but wasn't eligible for government funding because not an Aussie so was going to cost $5K (and something silly like 5 years study part time, or 1 year fun time or something like that) plus was just so busy at the time being a mother etc

She now works 90% of the time as the second cook in aged care anyway as loves cooking.

Im not saying its all great, just that for low paid work, its one of the better areas maybe the only better area would be low skilled working council jobs, half decent rate for the work and heaps of perks.

And then there is the odd low skilled job that is quite good money like a traffic controller.

Increasing min wage of all these jobs past basic increases is really just like a dog chasing it's tail, all it does is cause everything else to rise in price, and Australia is now back as number one having the highest min wage in the world anyway. (Seems to go back and forth every year between us and Luxembourg taking top spot)

Anyway if labor get in i guess that might be one positive and silver lining if the aged care min wage rises a little more.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 7:26pm

Im betting people like Blowin and Sypkan would vote like how i use to for a period putting a party like Sustainable population party first with similar parties next then putting the majors last.

The question is what order they put the majors last, id expect it would be Labor, Greens, LNP.

So in a sense they end up voting for Labor, but doing it as reluctantly as possible

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sypkan Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 8:11pm

yep indo, that's basically how my splintered filled arse votes, always most definitely with lnp last

but labor are so uninspiring at the moment, I'm having trouble facing even doing that...

might sit this one out, first time ever...

as Im one of those... 'don't waste your vote' ... 'appreciate we can vote' ...kind of guys...

oh well...

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sypkan Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 8:51pm

tell me guysmiley, about the only big announcement I've heard from labor this election cycle so far, is about a nationalised shipping fleet, to overcome supply chain issues...

now, i dont know if this is a 'core promise'... or an albo brain fart...

but tell me honestly, do you think that is a good idea?

because personally, such a lofty, no idea, expensive out of the ball park brain fart... just make me want to vote against them...

not least because of the countless lost opportunities this would bring elsewhere re. supply chains, independence, sustainability, and creating opportunity...

seriously, if that is the best that labor's best and brightest have... under such 'unprecedented times', and all of the opportunities that brings... i think I'd rather stick with 'better the cunt you know...'

but I couldn't live with myself facilitating it.... hence i might just sit this one out...

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 8:42pm

Is there romanticism in politics?

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sypkan Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 8:55pm

you can call it romanticism if you want to...

I would describe it as a yearning for some basic fundamentals

now my question... the shipping fleet...

but tell me honestly, do you think that is a good idea?

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 9:27pm

You’re welcome to your view(s); seriously they are valid as they next person’s, no more no less. For my part I now look at a bigger picture and the need for a decade+ return to what I understand to be the traditional preHoward centre. A decade or more of and incremental change, a move back from the beyond centre right shit storm we now find us in. Individual policies only form part of any required change and are therefore not as important as the required year on year directional change ... will we get a decade or more of the required governance? What do reckon?

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sypkan Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 10:36pm

I'd agree with a lot of that guysmiley

but...

"... will we get a decade or more of the required governance? What do reckon?"

not a chance! ...especially if labor are operating on desperate brain farts...

brain farts are ok... almost necessary to win elections.... but big expensive wasted opportunities ones... not so much...

take the shipping fleet, that would have to be a tens of billions dollars investment at least, ...if not a 100s of billions brain fart idea... that's nation building shit, not some throw away desperation election promise...

aside from appearing just not
well thought out, impractical, and pretty dumb... it's a huge wasted opportunity... if you want to deal with supply chains... fucken deal with it! ...with some much needed targeted and multi faceted solutions... not some 1900s merchant navy throwback bandaid...

take fuel for instance, oz has a couple of weeks fuel reserve at best... with a big new facility currently getting a bit of attention, ...that should increase that reserve by... wait for it... a massive 2 days! ...and it should bd ready by... wait for it again....2024!!

ffs, i hope something significant doesn't / isn't already happening in the meantime, so that the world can wait until 2024 til we get our shit together....

with 2 more days of fuel!!

this shit would be laughable if it wasn't so serious

guy, I'd like to share your hopes of labor rectifying some of the recklessness of the last few decades, but Im just not seeing it....

this is despite what's needed being so bloody obvious!

and countless reviews and assessments of labor's losses, losing, and losers...

they need some coherent plan, some shared vision, something people can get behind...

some return to all encompassing basic fundamentals perhaps...

and less of their terribly divisive you know what...

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adam12 Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 10:30pm

Sypkan, I can't understand how you can look back at the shitfuckery of the LNP since Howard, the mess they have made, the rorting and criminality, the reversal of Aust. in so many ways, the current PM Scotty the "psycho"/"fuckwit"/"dickhead"/ "liar" (all have trended #1 on twitter the last week or so) and Deputy Drunkard and his mob of nuffies, call yourself left-leaning yet then say "I'm not voting Labor" because Albanese floats an idea for a National Shipping Fleet.
I don't understand that logic or rationale.
I don't know if it is a good idea or not, I'm not a shipping economist, are you?
You fold early Sypkan, wouldn't want you in my trench.

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sypkan Wednesday, 2 Feb 2022 at 11:02pm

because the lnp are just doing what they are supposed to do...

and labor are so so not doing what they are supposed to do!

haven't been for a long long time, which is why lnp have gotten away with such outrageous shitfuckery

not to mention large swathes of labor being just as bought...

it's been a long road to here adam12, it's not just about the shipping thing - and the fact a shipping economist type guy on abc basically laughed at the idea...

that idea, and many of the desperate ones from the last election, are just emblematic of how lost the labor party are...

their reviews point the way, the current world in disarray blatantly points the way...

but labor just cannot seem to pull it together

it beggars belief

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soggydog Thursday, 3 Feb 2022 at 12:52am

Shorten took good policies to the last election,the boomers got scared they would have reduced incomes and angry that they where seen as the major beneficiaries/grifters
The LNP spread the death tax lie and Fatty Mcfuckface (Palmer) cleaned up the dorks for them.
Which one of Shortens policies where bad? It could be said that Albo is just sitting back knowing that Scotty is that big of a fuck head and his party full of shit cunts are fucking it for themselves.
Let's hope the voting public are a little more switched on this time around.

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Optimist Thursday, 3 Feb 2022 at 7:15am

A house, that’s all, I know lots of people who would like one. Australia has about a gazillion spare acres and no political party can put a family into a 400 k house and land package. Albos got 5 so he’s not focused and Morro has forgotten the roof over your head and food on the table is all someone needs. The $400 weekly mortgage on a low deposit to balance the market for the battlers is the only priority I see and yet……nothing.

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Cockee Thursday, 3 Feb 2022 at 8:12am

sog the flog showing his high moral compass and balanced views again.

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andy-mac Thursday, 3 Feb 2022 at 8:31am
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Shorten took good policies to the last election,the boomers got scared they would have reduced incomes and angry that they where seen as the major beneficiaries/grifters
The LNP spread the death tax lie and Fatty Mcfuckface (Palmer) cleaned up the dorks for them.
Which one of Shortens policies where bad? It could be said that Albo is just sitting back knowing that Scotty is that big of a fuck head and his party full of shit cunts are fucking it for themselves.
Let's hope the voting public are a little more switched on this time around.

How Shorten with all his policies outlined could lose the these present lying fuckwit we have as PM is a sad reflection on Australia. The guy pisses off to Hawaii in the middle of a national emergency for a holiday. Beaconsfield miners trapped and Shorten is working around the clock on site to save them. Reflection on both their character. Then fatty McFuckhead goes at Shorten as being shifty and the moronic Murdoch and 9 media support it... Ffs.. Need more than a decade to fix this mess and in present circumstances I unfortunately think it is unlikely that Labor would get a fair run.....
In an ideal world Labor could outline bold positive policies but the coalition media attack dogs will destroy them in the eyes of quiet Australians.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 3 Feb 2022 at 12:29pm

Thank fuck Shorten lost the unloosable election for Labor, him and his policies sucked arse, he would probably have us in lockdown until 2025 the guy was a A grade fuckwitt.

It will suck if Labor get voted in, but Albo seems more moderate and Labor have toned things down to become liberal lite anyway and even if they get in one or two terms max and they will be gone.

There is a good reason why labor have only been in power 23 of the last 70 years or so and only about 6 of almost the last 25 years.

Thank god for democracy and common sense.