COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:44am
saltyone wrote:

Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....

Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.

Short answer… Food

There is a documentary called “in defence of food” which you should watch

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:48am

Roaddill said “I knew it wasn't SF, as there wasn't enough gramma errors to be him. “…..you are a strange one indeed, I simply asked what was a barody as I couldn’t work out what you were on about . That turned into suddenly me being all high and mighty about grammar and spelling mistakes ( something I’ve never mentioned ) you still haven’t explained what a barody is and you never will as you rarely explain to people who question what the fuck your on about . I must give you credit though , as you are very good at making shit up .

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oxrox Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:54am

saltyone.... I honestly cant remember the last time I was sick. Lucky I guess.

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Stok Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 9:56am
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saltyone wrote:

Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....

Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.

Short answer… Food

There is a documentary called “in defence of food” which you should watch

For once i agree with burleigh....food. Pumped to the gills with antibiotics, produced in the abhorrent of conditions (if it's meat) or likely so unnatural (if it's veg).

Also, we travel (pre-2020) in the most unnatural ways.

Immune systems are not designed to cope with the scale of population movement and contact which we're seeing now.

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Stok Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:01am

Not defending Mark from the west, but I think there's an underlying misunderstanding among the group here that hospitals and public health are easy to manage, easy to fund, and easy to quickly be whipped into shape.

The spotlight has been shone on how 'just in time' our supply chains and healthcare systems really are, and they're absolutely not scalable in any efficient manner.

To sit around here and say 'they've had 2 years to fix it!' is a bit unfair - when probably if you asked people in the know, back in 2019, they'd be saying we need 5 years + to fix our health system before we even had a whiff that a pandemic was around the corner.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:03am
saltyone wrote:

Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....

Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.

Life expediency for indigenous people like most of the world before modern times would have been about 30 years, it's now 70+ for most of the world.

And people would have died from all kinds of simple things, including birth complications, high rate of deaths in babies and children, deaths from simple things like infections and although they would have had a tiny fraction of the disease and viruses we have now as we have the whole worlds disease and viruses they still would have had some and odd case of cancer etc

Yeah sure there is an argument in some cases for a weaker immune system in many these days due to lack of exposure to certain bacteria etc, but overall humans have a much much better health and life expediency rate than ever before. (obesity is an issue though)

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:00am
saltyone wrote:

Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....

Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.

You might find this interesting saltyone , just under 1 hour long https://iview.abc.net.au/video/DO1956H003S00

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freeride76 Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:03am

Unfortunately, indigenous populations both here and elsewhere, living the most healthy lives, were almost wiped out by novel pathogens their immune systems had no exposure to.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:08am

I wonder if places like WA and NZ in the long run will have issues due to lack of exposure to Covid and lack of natural immunity.

Yesterday i posted an article and study that showed in the USA during Delta natural immunity was even more effective than the vaccinations (but both help)

Below

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"Prior COVID infection more protective than vaccination during Delta surge -U.S. study

People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, suggesting that natural immunity was a more potent shield than vaccines against that variant, California and New York health officials reported on Wednesday.

Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found."

Continued here

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-...

Study here https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:13am

Is the reason WA and the rest of the state’s hospitals are in such bad shape not just because governments have not properly funded them for the last couple of decades but because everyone involved was banking on the vaccines to solve the pandemic ?

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:13am

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

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Stok Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:15am
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....stok, if you haven't worked it out by now, there's massive misinformation campaigns atm, ...massive, campaignS... coming from, and at, all angles...

I've got 2 points Sypkan:

Firstly:
I agree that misinformation can come from both sides, but accountability plays a huge factor. Yes, some politicians and health experts roll the dice in their position of power, and try to cover something up for potentially sinister reasons - but it's risky AF. You'd need a team of tight lipped and switched on people to pull it off. I've worked in corporate for a while now, and I've lost count of the amount of times supposedly tier 1 clients have sent out confidential information accidentally. So, if you're in a position of power and accountability - the gateways needed for you to decide to go down the misinformation path would be very, very significant. Court systems are independent in Australia - if you get caught you'd face significant penalties.

Whereas, if you're a commentator, a member of the opposition, a journalist or a pop scientist going on podcasts to discuss health policy - the accountability is effectively non-existent. If you're a good talker, you can pretty much weasel your way out of any shit you've talked.

So - yes, there's mis-information coming from both sides, but the contrarian side will quite likely be dirtier, more childish and frankly more dangerous.

Secondly:
Don't underestimate the factor of incompetence.
What may be seen, and sold, as some form of cover up for sinister reasons, is probably very likely a cover up due to incompetence.

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garyg1412 Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:16am

This thread has become a form of daily entertainment for those of us that couldn't be bothered getting into the fray.
BUT for those of you from both sides of the fence that do, there's a line from a Lou Reed song which I think came from and Edgar Allen Poe novel that says " Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear." So after a bit of online "Google resurch" I found the following interpretation of this quote:
1) "Believe None Of What You Hear."
More precisely, believe none of what you hear without verifying the accuracy.
For many reasons, what you hear may be incorrect. While a real-life story may sound convincing, the party disseminating the information may be untruthful, may be mistaken, or may be giving a personal interpretation. Most of what we hear is not a fact. It is an opinion.
When we hear a story from someone else, it is usually coloured by the storyteller's perceptions. Consciously or otherwise, people are selective about what they include and what they omit. Person A's version of a story may differ radically from Person B's version and Person C's version.
Once you hear a story, presume it may not be accurate. If the content of the story is important to you, then obtain the facts on your own and decide for yourself. In the absence of receiving those facts, keep an open mind.
2) "And Believe Half Of What You See."
More precisely, believe a portion of what you see and verify the rest. Use your best judgement to determine which portion to believe and which portion to verify.
Seeing something first-hand is particularly compelling, but a great deal of what we see is an illusion. Even with 20/20 sight, "our eyes can deceive us." There are millions of instances where our vision misguides us. When observing, we can be absolutely certain and absolutely wrong (at the same time!).

Anyway carry on. It's an interesting thread especially with newcomers like The Real Donald injecting some new fucktardery into the discussion.

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saltyone Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:17am

Thanks supa I’ll have a watch of that soon

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Stok Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:17am
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Is the reason WA and the rest of the state’s hospitals are in such bad shape not just because governments have not properly funded them for the last couple of decades but because everyone involved was banking on the vaccines to solve the pandemic ?

There'd be no way that would be the case.
The amount of risk modelling and assessment completed would never have banked on that.

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Craig Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:33am

Thanks for that GaryG, appreciated.

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Vic Local Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:35am

So how's it going let it rip / anti vax crew?
Another 66 dead in NSW and Victoria.
How's the economy going? Pretty fucking shit given how so many people have covid or have to isolate because they can't get a RAT because some fuckwit PM didn't order them until it was a full blown crisis.
No doubt you arse-clowns will be spending the day on this forum saying it's not a problem and pushing batshit crazy anti-vax bullshit.

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:40am
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no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:37am

So at the NSW press conference today the say that 50% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated yet the death toll all week is roughly 75% (sometimes more) fully vaccinated.
Total 46 deaths - 32 vaccinated

Now as we all know they generally have serious underlying health conditions (especially under 65)

If ICU is 50% jabbed, why are the deaths 75% jabbed?

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:39am
Vic Local wrote:

So how's it going let it rip / anti vax crew?
Another 66 dead in NSW and Victoria.
How's the economy going? Pretty fucking shit given how so many people have covid or have to isolate because they can't get a RAT because some fuckwit PM didn't order them until it was a full blown crisis.
No doubt you arse-clowns will be spending the day on this forum saying it's not a problem and pushing batshit crazy anti-vax bullshit.

Vic, did these people have serious underlying health conditions? How many over 80?

News flash, people die, and people died before covid.

It’s not the dooms day you want.

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Stok Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:41am
garyg1412 wrote:

This thread has become a form of daily entertainment for those of us that couldn't be bothered getting into the fray.
BUT for those of you from both sides of the fence that do, there's a line from a Lou Reed song which I think came from and Edgar Allen Poe novel that says " Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear." So after a bit of online "Google resurch" I found the following interpretation of this quote:
1) "Believe None Of What You Hear."
More precisely, believe none of what you hear without verifying the accuracy.
For many reasons, what you hear may be incorrect. While a real-life story may sound convincing, the party disseminating the information may be untruthful, may be mistaken, or may be giving a personal interpretation. Most of what we hear is not a fact. It is an opinion.
When we hear a story from someone else, it is usually coloured by the storyteller's perceptions. Consciously or otherwise, people are selective about what they include and what they omit. Person A's version of a story may differ radically from Person B's version and Person C's version.
Once you hear a story, presume it may not be accurate. If the content of the story is important to you, then obtain the facts on your own and decide for yourself. In the absence of receiving those facts, keep an open mind.
2) "And Believe Half Of What You See."
More precisely, believe a portion of what you see and verify the rest. Use your best judgement to determine which portion to believe and which portion to verify.
Seeing something first-hand is particularly compelling, but a great deal of what we see is an illusion. Even with 20/20 sight, "our eyes can deceive us." There are millions of instances where our vision misguides us. When observing, we can be absolutely certain and absolutely wrong (at the same time!).

Anyway carry on. It's an interesting thread especially with newcomers like The Real Donald injecting some new fucktardery into the discussion.

Good post.

But, it's kind of the issue with covid right? For so long, we only 'heard' about it, and still, only a few of us have truly 'seen it'. People can't fathom the threat to society.

Like in the USA, despite the number of deaths, there'd still be plenty of people who would not know anyone who died of covid.

Covid has tested people's psychology around the 'what i can't see can't hurt me' idea.

Our response would probably have been pretty different if it was say, an alien invasion, where unless we acted and prepared, aliens kill 0.05% annually of our population in the most graphic and frightening way.

Of course, most people associate needles with pain....and you can certainly see them!

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mikehunt207 Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:42am

One of the unmentioned factors regarding WA,s hospitals situation is the sheer population increase over the last decade . Margs itself has doubled in population from 2000-2010 and then doubled again since (thanks covid ), this growth doesnt look to be slowing down regardless of the fact we have been closed for a couple of years.
Our hospital is fairly good ( for general stuff, no major operations or the like ) unless you have a complication and your off to a big regional hospital an hr away in Bunbury. Our state is giant but there are only a couple of major regional hospitals fed by lots of tiny ones.
The state Gov replaced an ancient childrens hospital in Perth a couple of years ago with an incredible new one and Fiona Stanley in very new also.
It,s just the extra million or so FIFO, skilled immigrant workforce, east coast surfers that have relocated (fucking heaps) , backpackers, students etc etc which will sky rocket again once things open up .
Watching whats going on everywhere else and knowing the inevitability of what will happen here eventually keeping the door shut a bit longer is a pretty good idea if you have the luxury of it.

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:47am
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Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

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indo-dreaming Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:55am
Supafreak wrote:

Is the reason WA and the rest of the state’s hospitals are in such bad shape not just because governments have not properly funded them for the last couple of decades but because everyone involved was banking on the vaccines to solve the pandemic ?

Are they though?

I posted this yesterday, look at the infrastructure rating its the highest of all countries.

Its the medicine availability and professionals ranking that brings our rank down, otherwise we rank very highly in other areas.

Like i said yesterday No heath system is designed to deal with a pandemic though, nothing in society is


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-th... https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-...

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indo-dreaming Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:53am
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 10:57am
indo-dreaming wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

Rushing through an experimental vaccine under emergency use means they can also run through building approvals.

Yet they did nothing

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:03am
indo-dreaming wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

It is not only buildings. It needs staff to run them, infrastructure to support them. We can't train a workforce up for multiple sites in 2 years. As it is now, Australia has a health staffing isuue.

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:04am
burleigh wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

Rushing through an experimental vaccine under emergency use means they can also run through building approvals.

Yet they did nothing

1 trick pony burleigh....repeats the same old thing again and agaian and again....yada yada yada

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:11am

Roaddill said “It is not only buildings. It needs staff to run them, infrastructure to support them. We can't train a workforce up for multiple sites in 2 years. As it is now, Australia has a health staffing isuue. “…………………..The private hospitals agreement will see up to 57,000 nurses and [more than] 100,000 staff made available to Omicron-affected areas around the country," he said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-18/private-hospitals-take-public-pat... Dill by name dill by nature.

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monkeyboy Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:13am
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I am still waiting for to hear from the antivaxxers as to why they are so shit scared of a few dead protein spikes jabbed into a muscle but aren't at all concerned about billions of live protein spikes replicating in all their major organs.
The World has turned into two tribes, the silent majority 95% of normal people versus the noisy 5% of clueless fucked up units with mental health issues.

I dont think any one is shit scared of the vax; more tired of the deceit and lies surrounding it. Especially as the science no longer supports it.

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Blowin Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:14am
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Ha ha good one Blowie, love the new name and now you can talk to yourself when everyone else can't be bothered with your bullshit. You can't fool me...it's The Real Blowie...

“You can’t fool me “ says Sicko as he fools himself.

I was wrong about one thing and I’ll admit it. I was wrong when I said you were about 10% as smart as you think you are. The truth is more like 5%.

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Blowin Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:27am
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Every developed nation, including Australia, had pre existing pandemic preparedness plans officially drawn up many years before this virus. I think Australia’s plan was actually quite recently updated ? None of the preparedness plans suggested lockdowns or mass vaccination by mandate .

The plans were put in place explicitly and specifically to combat the arrival of novel viruses.

The plans were dismissed, ignored and forgotten.

Why? What changed?

What led our government to immediately abandon the plans they’d had generated by health experts in order to combat the exact same situation which occurred and made them ignore the expertise and introduce house arrest for healthy people?

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:27am
Roadkill wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

It is not only buildings. It needs staff to run them, infrastructure to support them. We can't train a workforce up for multiple sites in 2 years. As it is now, Australia has a health staffing isuue.

2 years to train people in a deadly “pandemic”? Nah let’s fire workers instead.

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Blowin Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:32am
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sypkan wrote:

....stok, if you haven't worked it out by now, there's massive misinformation campaigns atm, ...massive, campaignS... coming from, and at, all angles...

I've got 2 points Sypkan:

Firstly:
I agree that misinformation can come from both sides, but accountability plays a huge factor. Yes, some politicians and health experts roll the dice in their position of power, and try to cover something up for potentially sinister reasons - but it's risky AF. You'd need a team of tight lipped and switched on people to pull it off. I've worked in corporate for a while now, and I've lost count of the amount of times supposedly tier 1 clients have sent out confidential information accidentally. So, if you're in a position of power and accountability - the gateways needed for you to decide to go down the misinformation path would be very, very significant. Court systems are independent in Australia - if you get caught you'd face significant penalties.

Whereas, if you're a commentator, a member of the opposition, a journalist or a pop scientist going on podcasts to discuss health policy - the accountability is effectively non-existent. If you're a good talker, you can pretty much weasel your way out of any shit you've talked.

So - yes, there's mis-information coming from both sides, but the contrarian side will quite likely be dirtier, more childish and frankly more dangerous.

Secondly:
Don't underestimate the factor of incompetence.
What may be seen, and sold, as some form of cover up for sinister reasons, is probably very likely a cover up due to incompetence.

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

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Supafreak Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:40am

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare . Probably just another conspiracy from science org , what do ya reckon ?

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campbell Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:37am

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blindboy Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:40am

So Blowie, what about these graphs that show globsally there has been a massive UNDERCOUNT of covid deaths? You dodged the issue yesterday (as usual).
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mikehunt207 Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:40am
burleigh wrote:
Supafreak wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

They just used hotels in Perth city as "covid jails" , already built many years ago , didnt "knock up "any such things but no point letting facts or truth getting in the way of good post zinger burley
keep trying mate

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Blowin Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:47am
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So Blowie, what about these graphs that show globsally there has been a massive UNDERCOUNT of covid deaths? You dodged the issue yesterday (as usual).
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Vaccine deaths I’d imagine. I haven’t looked into it. Suicides ? The millions of people starved to death as result of disrupted economies fighting the Death Plague? I’m not sure.

If it was anyone else asking me I’d look into it.

As soon as I see the data described as an estimate from a model I pretty much dismiss it out of hand. I’ve no idea how the modelling was established or who performed it. Could be more of your made up bullshit statistics like the covid hospitalisation and fatality rates.

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Stok Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:43am
Blowin wrote:

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

And do you honestly believe all the experts around the world, jumped on a Zoom call or whatever, and decided that would be the strategy? To try to trick the public into making this event seem worse than it was, by drastically overstating deaths using a very conspicuous counting method?

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:45am
Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:46am
Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare . Probably just another conspiracy from science org , what do ya reckon ?

very rare

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Robo Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:47am
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So how's it going let it rip / anti vax crew?
Another 66 dead in NSW and Victoria.
How's the economy going? Pretty fucking shit given how so many people have covid or have to isolate because they can't get a RAT because some fuckwit PM didn't order them until it was a full blown crisis.
No doubt you arse-clowns will be spending the day on this forum saying it's not a problem and pushing batshit crazy anti-vax bullshit.

Heard a guy on the radio say he ordered someone out of his front yard cause he didn't have a mask on, even though the guy said he was double poisoned, was that you?

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Robo Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:50am
Roadkill wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

Name someone?

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:51am
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

Name someone?

Name someone? What does that mean?

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:51am
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burleigh wrote:
Supafreak wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

They just used hotels in Perth city as "covid jails" , already built many years ago , didnt "knock up "any such things but no point letting facts or truth getting in the way of good post zinger burley
keep trying mate

We’ve got a new contender for dumb dumb of the day.
Many states have built new covid facilities brains.

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Blowin Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:55am
Stok wrote:
Blowin wrote:

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

And do you honestly believe all the experts around the world, jumped on a Zoom call or whatever, and decided that would be the strategy? To try to trick the public into making this event seem worse than it was, by drastically overstating deaths using a very conspicuous counting method?

I’m not sure about the zoom call but that’s exactly what happened isn’t it?

You explain to me how it came to be that every developed nation used the same fraudulent accounting techniques to establish covid hospitalisation and fatality rates.

This isn’t something I’m making up or exaggerating. It happened and that’s a confirmed truth. It was confirmed by such high profile authorities as the Director of the CDC ( the apex authority in the USA ) and the NSW health minister.

There’s no dispute that the figures were gamed as much larger than they actually were until it was politically inconvenient and the truth was revealed. It’s not a theory that the numbers were inflated , it’s a fact. And those exact same juiced statistics are still being paraded by the minute and the hour.

There is daily hospitalisation numbers on the front page of the SMH everyday and they are falsified towards making the impact of covid seem more imposing. But the media, though complicit, is not responsible for the fraudulent figures. They only report them and do not generate them

Can you explain why?

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burleigh Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:53am
Roadkill wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

If this is very common, considering that covid is everywhere, surely you must know a few people with this?

I know nobody, yet I know of several people with reactions from the vaccine including strokes

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saltyone Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:54am

Thanks Burleigh I’ll have a look at that book

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Roadkill Friday, 21 Jan 2022 at 11:55am

I can name the 1 person in the world that has 3/4 family members get cancer from the covid vaccine = Robo.