Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.

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Patrick commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 9:42am

This gets into numbers and how collection and interpretation can be biased. His credentials look good. Article was published over a week ago now.... how do the numbers stack up now and are we being panicked and fleeced?

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-corona...

"John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University."

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Optimist commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 9:47am

The whole world should Tariff everything coming out of China until all the bills for the mess they have made are paid. They have the money so why not charge them for their slackness. They will just have to spend less on the military for the next 10 years.

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Patrick commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 9:48am

"This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future."

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shoredump commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 9:55am

Qantas crew still flying in from their 4 days in USA, exempt from self isolation.
More coming in next week

Someone, somewhere deep in Wuhan, who remembers selling a sick little pangolin at a fraction of the price back in November, is rocking forward and backward on their chair muttering holeee sheeet, holeeeeeee sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet

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mikehunt207 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:05am

Going to be some very very cheap real estate for the next wave of Chinese / Australian investors next year me thinks.
I,m going to be the second one to straight out start calling it "The Chinese Virus" from now on. Fuck this era of political correctness its over, the world has changed.

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oceans11 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:08am

Blowin, Zen, Spy

I'm sus on all this also, covid19 naturally occurring, I don't think so.The truth is out there somewhere and it will come out !!!!!
China's production lines are cranking up again, products first of the line, surprise,surprise, urgently needed medical supplies.
Italy purchased millions of dollars worth and this mornings reports detail Spains $436 mill. purchases for meds from China.
I note Australia Gov are sprouting the arrival of medical supplies, millions of masks, testing kits etc but don't mention the supplier.
The money tree is growing again to finance the military buildup.
Why can the world not see whats going on?

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Optimist commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:02am
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philosurphizing... commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:14am

Oceans 11 wrote
I'm sus on all this also, covid19 naturally occurring, I don't think so.The truth is out there somewhere and it will come out !!!!!

Here's my tin foil hat theory.
What if 5G is actually weakening humans immune systems and therefore magnifying the damage the virus is doing.

If I could do one experiment it would be to turn off all the 5G satellites for one month.
Then we guinea pigs would know either way.

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oceans11 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:47am

Optimist,
Interesting tape that summarises the coverups and the pathetic actions taken by WHO., which only feeds the multitude of theories circulating.

I also have suspicions on other country involvement in all this PLAN!
The fact that mostly the elderly in poor health are way more susceptible leads me to be suspicious whether this virus was manipulated/ constructed to achieve a desired result.
Many of the developed countries have generous pension payments in place that are unsustainable and as has been often stated are a burden on the smaller working populations of many nations.

Do Democratic Governments and China care about human life ?

History has demonstrated time and time again that they will go to war with life losses an inevitable consequence.

Sadly the main reason for these actions is MONEY and to reset economies.

This virus will be a massive money spinner for those in the know and those with much wealth.

The RESET is about to begin.

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Balance commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:49am

Mike I think that's a great idea, and as I know you will now no doubt be incredibly busy renaming all the worlds deadly diseases...I thought I would help you out a bit

AfricAids
U S Wine flu
Mad UKow disease

Balance and all

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Patrick commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:59am

What if everyone is over reacting? Humans like drama.
Humans love shows about the end of the world including by viruses and zombies. Ever thought we've been primed for this (either conspiratorially, or from people's own love of a good drama)?

It seems like the numbers that "are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes" is being amplified with high emotion just like the lies that lead to invasions of Iraq and all the destabilisation that followed.

Of all the millions dying each year, of the 150,000 people dying TODAY, why is covid19 getting the attention?

Why are people calling for the economy to get crashed, for their friends to lose their jobs, but not for Australia's trading partner, Saudi Arabia, to stop it's blockade of Yemen which is contributing to the starvation of millions?

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Patrick commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:53am

"However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter."
From the same link I posted at top of the page.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:57am

I’m still basing my expectations of the virus on China’s reaction.

They locked down 780 million people for a reason.

Was the reason the threat of a deadly virus or was that just the impression they wanted to impose on the world ?

I’ve got no idea. I can only take an educated guess and hedge my bets by trying to limit exposure of myself and my loved ones. No panic involved.

Everyone is just chilling and keeping a bit of distance. Trying to not increase the problem. What more can you do ? Now we wait and see what happens.

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Patrick commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:08pm

Would this have been a sensible approach?
- Instead of general lock down, what about GP's calling those in high risk cases (they know which patients have diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease, etc) and advising them to lock down. Governemt suppprts them with supplies, etc. Everyone else goes about their day, jobs aren't lost and a general campaign is made to advise people to respect the distancing measures from those at risk. They have signs on their doors.

In the meantime funnel resources to sourcing, manufacturing more ICU beds, etc.

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Patrick commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:12pm

Can still restrict/screen some travel where appropriate.

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oceans11 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:22pm

China achieved lock down brutally and effectively after a few weeks had passed but allowed millions to travel overseas!!

Democratic countries,Italy, Spain, USA, Australia etc, etc etc, cannot achieve the same effective lock down as we generally are free spirited and generally undisciplined .

There is also a component of resistance to law enforcement, so 1 person in 1000 can create havoc with coviv19.

It's interesting that our Govt. did not go hard and tough from the start maybe because they new many Aussies/ young crew would simply not comply.

People around here are still not wearing masks (seen 1or2 at the supermarket)and still don't create space.

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oceans11 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:23pm

China achieved lock down brutally and effectively after a few weeks had passed but allowed millions to travel overseas!!

Democratic countries,Italy, Spain, USA, Australia etc, etc etc, cannot achieve the same effective lock down as we generally are free spirited and generally undisciplined .

There is also a component of resistance to law enforcement, so 1 person in 1000 can create havoc with coviv19.

It's interesting that our Govt. did not go hard and tough from the start maybe because they new many Aussies/ young crew would simply not comply.

People around here are still not wearing masks (seen 1or2 at the supermarket)and still don't create space.

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Pupkin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:24pm

What's the cure for the shock doctrine?

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Pupkin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:10pm

What's the cure for the UPCOMING shock doctrine?

And will we even know it, let alone seek a cure?

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zenagain commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:53pm

I happen to agree with your approach Patrick- isolate the most vulnerable while supporting that with a commonsense system of minimising social interaction. Surely couldn't be as painful as the ad-hoc make it up as we go approach we're seeing now.

As for China, the fucking world is melting down at the same time they're back in business and now crowing as our great saviour and benefactor.

Coincidence?

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:57pm

Scummo explains the WuFlu rules to Australia :

https://youtu.be/6CGyASDjE-U

“I can’t say where he’s not .”

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indo-dreaming commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:01pm

100% agree Oceans 11

Ive said similar things elsewhere it's about culture, countries that have dealt reasonably well with containment Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, even China (id expect Japan could be in that list) are countries with a culture of obedience to government and are highly self disciplined cultures. (other area's of Asia however like Indonesia are not the same, actually even the opposite)

Australians/westerners generally don't listen to government or even do the opposite of what is said, we saw this nationally at Bondi, but you can see it all over Australia.

If peopled listened and did what is suggested, a complete shut down would most likely not be needed.

Ideally a complete shut down early would have been great, but also complete chaos, in a sense we are being groomed for a shut down or you could say its happening but only slowly to ensure chaos doesn't set in, but i think most agree its highly likely the day will come when the next stage is announced and we have a full lock down.

But even with all this warning and step by step approach, imagine the chaos that will happen as people scramble for supplies, shops will run out almost instantly and unless shops stay open, people will need a good supply of food etc to get by.

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mikehunt207 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:02pm

Not sure about the rest Balance? I thought AIDS came around was from when some guy from New York went to Africa and fucked a monkey? Airline steward from memory? Maybe the New York Monkey Fucker Disease? NYMFD

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:05pm

There goes Facto’s theory that Australians are inherently driven to meekly submit to authority....

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Pupkin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:08pm

Are they 'vibrants'? Or stinking backpackers?

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:14pm

Proven wrong . Admit to it and move on

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Pupkin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:26pm

Clutching straws, pearls, and handbags, blow in?

Triple threat.

Hahahahahahaha.

Glorious beach day TODAY then? Well,
for Bondi.

How good is Australia?

DON'T ANSWER THAT.

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sypkan commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:29pm

6 weeks or 12 months, its our choice...

be dilligent, festidious, asian like, ocd, monks for 6 weeks?

Or, be slack arse, she'll be right, get pissed, party man norms, for 12 months living in darkness, misery, and denial...

....and then probably have the monk thing imposed from above, as second winter of darkness approaches...

that's our choices, it's that simple....

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/the-tantalising-scheme-...

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indo-dreaming commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:29pm

BTW. What makes those countries results so far even more impressive is they are countries with very high population density, which makes things even harder.

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sypkan commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:50pm

Yep.

If oz can't do it with our spread out population we really are still just a bunch of norms... (...or homer originals)

https://asset-cdn.campaignbrief.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/05102306/...

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:48pm
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oceans11 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 1:52pm

Patrick,

Yes, agree with your comments re. why aren't govs. stopping the mass dying of humans in various parts of the world.
Answer, because the world's population is to big and govts want to reduce aide to these vulnerable countries.
People that cannot contribute to the worlds "progress" are a burden on the world, sadly.
Enter corvid19 ,lets speed up the process, lets show our superiority, lets flex our muscles.

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Balance commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 2:01pm

Mike your education and research skills are obviously far superior to mine...though I could still argue it was the monkey that was to blame...well known provocative creatures, but...
NYMFD works

And we are letting this bastard of a bat off the hook at the moment I might point out

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Balance commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 2:08pm

PS, while you are at it...Manuel, my little Spanish mate, has asked me to ask you...if you could rename that other flu...poor buggers have been wrongly copping the blame for that one for over 100 years
Problem is that was started in china too...as usual you solve one problem...but create another...

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 2:25pm

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-sour...

This one is deeply disturbing. You might fob it off as another headline among some very dire headlines, but I just saw the practical effect of this on today's clinical visit. I think our medical staff don't have enough masks. I am stunned and furious that this was allowed to happen. This company is still operating in Australia, is it?

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Craig commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 2:34pm

Fark that's crazy VJ!

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simba commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 2:45pm

yes but not surprising seeing as they dont care about any other countries and good ol aus will bend over backwards to accomodate our future masters.....

simba

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 3:04pm

Even worse when the MSM was previously denying this and claiming it was fake news.

Word is that Greenfield , Cowra , Goulburn, Cooma , Crookwell, Narrandera, Sussex Inlet all got done over by bus loads of them grabbing foodstuff as well. That’s just a few places that I’ve heard specifically mentioned. Wagga and Dubbo were named. Towns 6 hours from capital cities getting targeted.

Tumut and Batlow ran them out of town apparently.

Fifth column....undisguised now.

But the world is going crazy cause Trump called it the China Virus. Never mind the fact that China is now using official political speeches to state to the world that the US military planted the virus in China.....that’s fucked up . Haven’t seen that on the MSM either.

Remember how it’s racist to be mistrustful of Huawei......FFS.

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 4:13pm

velocityjohnno ...Wuhan China is also exporter of 80% of all drugs / med-gear.
Once city was in Quarantine world went without, naturally the retrieved own gear.
Apparently Swiss WHO firm stepped up!
https://www.glencore.com/media-and-insights/news/glencore-donates-medica...

*2018 Fed Health Squads raid Oz GP's for Flu Vaccine (No Warning /straight theft)
https://www.diabetesqld.org.au/media-centre/2018/june/health-officials-r...

*Oz is making masks & med gear once again...(Great news)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/more-than-100-australian-c...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6684074/the-australian-army-is-be...

*Oz Brewing up Sanitisers
https://www.businessnews.com.au/article/Stark-warning-over-sanitiser-app...

https://www.timeout.com/melbourne/news/a-melbourne-distillery-has-starte...

https://www.facebook.com/9NewsAdelaide/videos/sanitizer-brewery/25382799...

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2020/03/24/coronavirus-the-us-...

2020 Oz Flu News (17,910 cases to date)

*This year (Quadfluent Jab for all Seniors) + All who visit Nursing Homes-New Law)

*(2020 x 2 Flu Shots) (Next week on > booster (3-4months) later in Corona Year
May 1 Jab is enough for whole year.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/start-flu-vaccinations-as-soon...

*Two viruses at once? Don't wanna know about that!
https://www.mydr.com.au/respiratory-health/flu-vaccination

*Corona [L] Drive Thru Test
20 March 2020 ACT - Drive Thru Tests + Free Body Bag + Bonus Car incineration!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/fourth-case-and-drive-through-tes...

*Release the Prisoners...to kill off Oz population faster & more effectively.
https://theconversation.com/explainer-how-will-the-emergency-release-of-...

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shoredump commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 5:34pm

Anyone who isn’t aware that China is slowly but deliberately invading us doesn’t understand their philosophy or culture

Zen I’m down with your tin hat theory, but I’m erring on the side of caution, and that they grabbed the outbreak as an opportunity and made conscious decisions to spread it as best they could

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Fliplid commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 8:25pm

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/the-club-will-virgin-australias-political...

Won't read about this in the Murdoch media. Australia, shafted again by "our" government with more corporate welfare

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 8:55pm

Unreal Flippy,

it's like one big swamp-flavoured flying gravy train.

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mattlock commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 9:47pm

Thanks for the link Flip. Interesting reading.
I just subscribed to their newsletter.

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mikehunt207 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:04pm

Faark, Gladys Liu? Nola Mariano? Shes was our local liberal here in WA and the Fed Libs "whip". No doubt the bail out will go ahead for Virgin. I guess the smart thing to do would be invest in Virgin shares as they will survive no doubt. Thank for that link flip, I signed up for the news letter too. Shit eating grins all round on that article. How deep is the cock in the arse of Australia? Multiple penetrations the more this thing unfolds.

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Pupkin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:35pm
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Horas commented Friday, 27 Mar 2020 at 1:03am

If you depend on someone
for your happiness
you are becoming a slave,
you are becoming dependent,
you are creating a bondage.

And you depend on
so many people;they all
become subtle masters,
they all exploit you in return.

BHAGWAN SHREE RAJNEESH

Horas

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Optimist commented Friday, 27 Mar 2020 at 5:44am

Even though things around you look crap, its time to shine. Its time to be the best human you can be. To make sure your old neighbour down the street has what they need as many are too scared to go out. To make sure you follow better late than never Govt. protocols. To be a good spouse even though your cooped up together. To not panic about money as there are always solutions. To write to your federal member and tell them we want our country back and no longer be vulnerable. There are many things we can do while isolated. I'm even frothing on "letters and numbers" on SBS and ripping at Scrabble. Don't wait till your nearly dead to pray either. A warm and fuzzy friendship with God is a beautiful thing and right now, like Simon Peter, I'm getting ready to go fishing.

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Blowin commented Friday, 27 Mar 2020 at 7:02am

Another 90 tonnes of medical supplies taken from Australia by a Chinese sleeper cell.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/second-developer-flies-82-tonnes-of-medi...