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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 10:15am

Good call SS, some of the least effected are the loudest critics .... from deep lockdown Melb :(

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shoredump commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 10:25am

Sorry I’ve been away, I’ve just been distracted lately by some mesmerising sunset photos coming out of Cali.

Covid truly sounds terrible and I am happy we are doing everything we can to stop it, not doing so would be madness.

Tobacco kills up to half its users, according to the World Health Organisation. They go on to say that 14 times Australia’s total population have succumbed to in just in my lifetime.

Wow.

But that type of death doesn’t matter cause it’s got a cool image, and have you seen how much money we make from peddling it here in Australia?

I think the next logical step is to increase tobacco use so we then have extra tax dollars to spend on saving more Covid lives

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 11:14am

Not a very good comparassion Shoredump firstly we spend a lot of money on trying to reduce smoking deaths and take up, just like at the progress made in the last 20 years.

I remember as a kid in the 80s you could buy them easily for parents etc, advertising everywhere, people use to smoke everywhere including indoors, now even smokers rarely smoke inside their own homes, its banned indoors in most business even outdoor areas, advertising is banned even the packets have plain packaging, and best of all rates are dropping as its even seen as uncool and a dirty habit.

BTW. Smoking is a choice catching a virus is not.

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blowfly commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 11:25am

"Smoking is a choice catching a virus is not."

Up until the first cigarette Indo. Cigarettes are specifically designed to produce addiction.
https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/content/what_we_do/industry_watch...

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 1:05pm

We all know smoking is addictive but it's still a choice.

I know some might say you can get addicted from one cigarette, but personally i smoked casually as a grommet for months i would have smoked over a hundred possibly hundreds of cigarettes and never became addicted although admittedly pretty much all my friends did.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 1:45pm

I'm a bit disappointed blowin hasn't tried to tell us Antifa are lighting bush fires in the USA. He must be having the day off.

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blowfly commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 1:58pm

I think he is embarrassed after the x100 times error. Not sure why he would be, it's pretty close to par for him.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 2:09pm

That covid statistic mistake was out by 10,000%, while his "Dan Andrews is the only person who can order a curfew" statement was only wrong by 300%.
Facts shmacts. Who needs em?

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yorkessurfer commented Saturday, 12 Sep 2020 at 7:50pm

For those of us hoping that November 3rd is when the shit show ends in the U.S this article details the 78 day transition period after the election and how historically it’s been a time of turmoil for transitioning governments.
https://prospect.org/politics/winter-of-our-discontent-trump-2020-election/

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blowfly commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 3:49pm

You need to know the history to understand the present.

“After George Floyd was killed, Donald Trump sensed an opportunity. Americans, anguished and angry over Floyd’s death, had erupted in protest—some set fires, broke the windows of department stores, and stormed a police precinct. Commentators reached for historical analogies, circling in on 1968 and the twilight of the civil-rights era, when riots and rebellion engulfed one American city after another. Back then, Richard Nixon seized on a message of “law and order.” He would restore normalcy by suppressing protest with the iron hand of the state. In return for his promise of pacification, Americans gave him the White House.”

“ Black sharecroppers in Texas. After the Civil War, southern elites worked to reduce the emancipated to conditions that resembled slavery in all but name.”

“ From 1868 to 1871, Black people in the South faced a “wave of counter-revolutionary terror,” the historian Eric Foner has written, one that “lacks a counterpart either in the American experience or in that of the other Western Hemisphere societies that abolished slavery in the nineteenth century.” Texas courts, according to Foner, “indicted some 500 white men for the murder of blacks in 1865 and 1866, but not one was convicted.”

“ There has never been an anti-racist majority in American history; there may be one today in the racially and socioeconomically diverse coalition of voters radicalized by the abrupt transition from the hope of the Obama era to the cruelty of the Trump age. “

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/the-next-reconstruc...

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:15pm

There’s been an anti-racist majority in the USA for at least 50 years. A black man was chosen to lead the country 15 years ago .

The author conflating a rejection of incivility and violence with racism says so much about the politicisation of the moment and the bifurcation of public discourse.

Cruelty of the Trump age ? I take it the author isn’t particularly interested in the steps taken towards peace in the Middle East during the Age Of Trump. Many would consider that managed de escalation of the bloodiest military conflict in modern times would count for something. It obviously carries no currency amongst the hyper partisans at The Atlantic.

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blowfly commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:12pm

So you didn't bother reading it then?

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:20pm

Nope.

Tell me it’s not more of your bias reinforcement and I’ll give it a read.

Edit : Yep. Unbalanced and specious garbage.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:22pm

"Donald Trump to be nominated for second Nobel Peace Prize

Days after the Nobel Peace Prize nomination that stunned the world, US President Donald Trump has scored a second nomination."

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-to-...

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blowfly commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:24pm

....and a speed reader too....not!

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:36pm

BB...it’s perpetuating the lie that you are either Anti-Trump or you’re a racist. Not much point continuing when the foundation of the entire piece is bullshit.

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blowfly commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:54pm

Of course I am anti-Trump FFS I know you don't bother reading much of what appears here and just take any post as an excuse to go into one of your rants but if you haven't worked out my opinion of Trump by now there really is no hope for you.

Oh and FYI

How To Calculate A Percentage.
To convert a fraction to a decimal divide the numerator (that's the top number) by the denominator (yep that's the bottom number) and multiply by 100.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 4:57pm

If you support Trump, you're either a racist or someone who tolerates racism from the president.
Kind of like being an absolute scumbag or a disinterested arsehole.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 5:22pm

Ahhh, the nuanced free twilight zone.

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blowfly commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 5:22pm

Oh look at that! Trump undermining public health yet again.

“The health department’s politically appointed communications aides have demanded the right to review and seek changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly scientific reports charting the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, in what officials characterized as an attempt to intimidate the reports’ authors and water down their communications to health professionals.
In some cases, emails from communications aides to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other senior officials openly complained that the agency’s reports would undermine President Donald Trump's optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to emails reviewed by POLITICO and three people familiar with the situation.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-inter...

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zenagain commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 5:38pm

"Too many Americans still view racism as largely a personal failing rather than a systemic force. In this view, one’s soul can be purged of racism by wielding the correct jargon, denouncing the right villains, and posting heartfelt Instagram captions. "

I thought this little bit was one of the most telling bits of the article. What if you (as a supposedly privileged white person) live your life acknowledging the misdeeds of the past, embracing all as your brother, treating everyone as you would like to be treated and just go about it quietly without having to shout down people cause they don't think like you, or agree with exactly what you have to say as- "oh, you MUST be a racist"?

Sorry Vic, but I thought of you when I read that bit- I don't believe I can name one contributor here whom I would consider racist. Opinionated sure, idealistic- totally but I don't think there are many racists lurking around here.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 5:56pm
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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:00pm

"I don't believe I can name one contributor here whom I would consider racist"
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

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Patrick commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:16pm

What about Vic Local when he decided that all aboriginal nations are one amorphous blob that all think the same and have the same politics, and thus, he could announce who the "real" aboriginal leaders are?

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Patrick commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:18pm

I feel your hearts in the right place VL but it wouldn't hurt to get out and mingle a bit more.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:19pm

He just described the 1.6 million African Americans who voted for Trump as “ either a racist or someone who tolerates racism from a President.”

If you don’t vote for Biden.....you ain’t Black ( or non-racist ) .

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:26pm

Beat me to it, yeah that comment was pretty racist.

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Patrick commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:24pm
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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:27pm

I see what you did there Info

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:30pm

What about Vic Local when he decided that all aboriginal nations are one amorphous blob that all think the same and have the same politics, and thus, he could announce who the "real" aboriginal leaders are?
Really Patrick, you'll have to show me where I did that.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:32pm

What did i do Guy?

IMHO that comment from Biden was more racist than anything I've heard Trump say.

Basically telling Black people how they should think and vote and if they dont think or vote a certain way they aren't black.

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zenagain commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:35pm

Care to name a couple Vic and why?

Do I strike you as a bigot? If so, please tell me how so?

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goofyfoot commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:39pm

“If you support Trump, you're either a racist or someone who tolerates racism from the president.
Kind of like being an absolute scumbag or a disinterested arsehole.”

I have to admit when I first read VL’s comment the first thing that came to mind was, what about all the black people that voted for Trump? So they’re racist?!

That’s a huuuuge generalisation

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:42pm

Spare me the Trump is not a racist BS.
Click the link folks and read some the goose stepping nutters endorsing Trump.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-...
I don't see these types of people lining up to cheer Biden.
And of course their support of Trump has got nothing to do with racism.

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AndyM commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:44pm

"Spare me the Trump is not a racist BS."

And Vic goes straight to cottaging the strawman.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:52pm

goofyfoot. They may not be racists but they certainly tolerate a racist as president.
Here's a list
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-racism-examples_n_5991dcab...

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Patrick commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 6:54pm

"They are not indigenous leaders.
Real indigenous leaders like Lowitja O’Donoghue, Pat Dodson, and Michael Long don't get much of a run by Rupert's hacks."

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/495890?page=2

VL, I can take you to places where people happily vote liberal, where pictures of the queen and princess Di hang on walls and where 'changing the date' isn't a priority.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:05pm

Patrick, Jacinta Price is not an indigenous leader, because she doesn't have a large indigenous following.

https://www.change.org/p/dear-australia-as-an-aboriginal-person-jacinta-...

As an Aboriginal Person, Jacinta Price and Bess Price DO NOT represent me or speak on my behalf. We the undersigned refute their intentions as aboriginal people and they do not represent the views or opinions of our communities.
Neither woman have been elected as Aboriginal leaders by aboriginal people and we the undersigned, largely disagree with both women's views. Jacinta is largely out of touch with the views and needs of not only her community but those of other communities around Australia.
We ask that in future both media and government refrain from utilising her comments and limit her media appearances as a large number of aborigines in this country are offended by her out of touch with communities comments.

But hey, It's funny how my opinion about Price not being a leader is supported by so many indigenous people. Any white person saying Price is an indigenous leader looks like they are telling indigenous people who gets to represent them.

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Patrick commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:07pm

You just did it again.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:07pm

Ha ha what total crap Vic

There is also thousands of indigenous people that support Jacinta & Bess.

This is the cliche bullshit Patrick is talking about, this idea that say indigenous people vote this way and must think this way, and aren't real indigenous people if they don't.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:08pm

I reckon it’d take about 10 minutes to muster 9985 Victorian signatures stating Dan Andrews doesn’t represent them . Does this mean Dan Andrews isn’t a Victorian leader ?

Anyway....strawman.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:11pm

I think your question has been answered yet again Info ^^^

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:12pm

Even worse is that Vic’s own link claims it’s evidence of Trump’s racism that he treats racial groups as monolithic.

What does this mean after Vic has just treated a racial group as monolithic ?

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AndyM commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:16pm

Seems like Vic is making quite a habit out of being a patronising white man towards Indigenous people.

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D-Rex commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:24pm

Late to this thread (cos I couldn't stomach reading anymore bullshit from the white-hating/black-loving, America-hating/China-loving, socialist nutters who seem to think their opinion matters) but happy to report that I've heard that the USA will take their concerns on board immediately.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:29pm

I reckon it’d take about 10 minutes to muster 9985 Victorian signatures stating Dan Andrews doesn’t represent them . Does this mean Dan Andrews isn’t a Victorian leader ?
Gee you are a dopey bastard blowin. Dan Andrews holds a leadership position because he won an election. Price stood for the federal seat in the NT (one with one of the highest indigenous population in the country) and lost. She's does not and never has had widespread support from indigenous people.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-news/article/2019/09/09/not-welcome-ind...
Price is simply the indigenous leader of choice for RWFWs.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:30pm

Here you go Blowin

https://www.change.org/p/daniel-andrews-resign

Almost 53k signatures

No i haven't signed it, i think these petitions are silly.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:40pm

Vic she has decent support in her electorate

"Lingiari covers 1,348,158 square kilometres, or 99.99% of the Northern Territory. The electorate includes the whole of the Northern Territory except for Darwin City Council and Palmerston City Council west of Roystonea Avenue. It takes in both the top end and the outback, the two largest centres being Alice Springs in the centre, Katherine in the north. It also includes the Darwin rural areas in Litchfield Municipality and the eastern periphery of Palmerston. Also included in the electorate are the Commonwealth Territories of Christmas and Cocos (Keeling) Islands, neither of which are administratively part of the Northern Territory."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2019/guide/ling

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:39pm

"Seems like Vic is making quite a habit out of being a patronising white man towards Indigenous people."
Wow.
I get criticised for saying Price isn't an indigenous leader and get told this is patronising. I've put up links showing Price's lack of support, but you lot dismiss all the concerns of those indigenous people. You lot so desperately want an indigenous "leader" who supports your opinions, you're happy to ignore the multitude of indigenous people who are deeply offended when Price claims she is an indigenous leader.
Who again is being patronising?

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 13 Sep 2020 at 7:43pm

BTW. That lame change thing you shared could be signed by anyone not just indigenous people and it still had what was it 7K signatures

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