Submitted by Supafreak on Sun, 08/02/2020 - 15:15
Just watched the press release from Dan Andrews and I really feel for how victorians are going to once again pay for others stupidity. Not sure how they are going to police the 1 hour exercise policy but a trip down the coast for a surf could be costly. I understand these new restrictions are mainly Melbourne suburbs and I’m very grateful for where I live NSW Qld border. When we were in shutdown there was no time limit for our exercise thank god as a 3 hour surf kept me sane after losing my job.
“Never mind it will all be forgotten tomorrow. There will be a whole barrel of fresh bullshit from you...”
arousing or able to arouse intense feeling.
Coprophilia Andy? Who would have guessed. Well maybe if I had thought about it for 10s. Sad sort of life I suppose but never mind there are some good psychiatrists around these days. They might be able to help.......over the years.
Mate you’re really being pathetic, just stop now, please.
Fair enough. You start it, I finish it.
haha, palmy office too indo, probably had the same lady, poor thing, ...just doin her job...
"BTW. not aimed at you Sypkan but when i said handouts i wasn't really thinking the dole so much, was just thinking in general there is so much middle class type handouts perks etc the system is super generous, but there really is a sense of entitlement among people these days everyone expects something and is never happy with what they are given, its never a thank you but more i deserve more type attitude."
yep, that's what pisses me off too, the middle class welfare. I got mates cooking up, and talking up, the job keeper scheme, they're the same mates scamming (legitimately) middle class welfare too. passionate, righteous lefty's in their politics, and aggresive in their righteousness, much like viclocal
been some interesting convo's with me agreeing howard largely squandered a once in a lifetime booming economy. but the agreeance is long lost when one talks of winding back some of their much beloved howardesque middle class welfare
same with jobkeeper, the economy, or the burden imposed on following generations are never even a consideration...
it's an interesting range of contradictions from my perspective
Blowfly, are you blind? I spent the arvo schooling VL on his hypocrisy of not being able to bring himself to speak ill of the labor party for lying through their teeth to protect their own asses as they have done all week, using all the examples available for all during this waste of time inquiry, a waste of time purely as nobody was willing to say what happened.
The health and jobs minister Mikakos and Pakula have both been caught lying today on camera, meaning they have lied after swearing to tell the truth during the inquiry. Why else you reckon they all lawyered up individually??
Reckon that warrants a nod of at least “yeh that’s pretty fucked” even from the most rusted on labor supporters.
Didn't know that Dan was such a Get Smart fan but there you go https://twitter.com/serg1o_d/status/1309056912999305218?s=21&fbclid=IwAR...
But let's not forget his role-modelhttps://www.pinterest.com/pin/583568064208911364/
"I spent the arvo schooling VL"
Dx3 I played chess against a pigeon once too.
"angry online, smiley in the brine"
Did you get angry at the pigeon when it Fools Mated you?
No I just laughed at it when it knocked over the pieces, shat on the board and then strutted around like he'd won.
Hmmm... strange- that's what the pigeon said too.
Who to believe?
VL - run along old man, you’ve shown you’ve got nothing else of intelligence to say.
Wow Dx3, if you're going to accuse someone of having nothing intelligent to say, try and do it without a grammatical abomination.
Your last post was fourth grade standard English.
When the respondent has nothing left but to go the grammatical error, you know they are cooked
"haha, palmy office too indo, probably had the same lady, poor thing, ...just doin her job..."
We use to go drop our form's in at Palmy when the points were breaking and Southport when swell small after an early morning South Straddie surf.
This corrupt Victorian Government surely now has to go. The honorable thing would be for Sgt Schultz and his bozo colleagues to resign, but we know there is no honour amongst thieves. I would hope that Albasleazy will step in if they don't. Failing that Prime Minister Scott Morrison should take the necessary measures to have the corrupt bunch dismissed.
Well first one down, by far the most incompetent in an incompetent bunchhttps://twitter.com/JennyMikakos/status/1309636991785476096?s=20
Yep that's a start. Though for 20000 cases, 750 deaths and 6 months of almost complete lockdown, the whole rotten bunch needs to go.
"Failing that Prime Minister Scott Morrison should take the necessary measures to have the corrupt bunch dismissed."
He doesn't have any authority to do that. Also as far as I can see the allegations against the Victorian government are based on incompetence, not corruption. Corruption is a serious charge so if you have evidence you should put it up. Unsubtantiated claims of corruption are pretty low behaviour.
NSW 400 Quarantine breaches (vs) Vic zero.
Now Jenny goes missing under a Bus.https://www.9news.com.au/national/victoria-health-minister-jenny-mikakos...
Was there ever a Vic ADF Hotel deployment?
Why couldn't they find the Airport Bus?
Who removed them from the Hotel & to Where?
Qldurrz will answer all & clean up cousin Vic's inquiry.
It's all pretty straightforward but it's also very mucky & full of shit.
Video killed the FOI
Quarantine Arrangements were set up by a Star Chamber Video (No Paper trail)
18 March 2020 GG: Biosecurity Emergency (re: National Security Committee)
Health Minister has sweeping Powers over movement of people & goods thru Oz.
We all see this in each of our state where Health Ministers call the Shots...
States (EM)Emergency Management must plead resource poor to apply for waver.
Failing that they must cough up for ADF assistance...(Politics gets in the way!)
You'll read he said she said & news that reports opposite. Each State different.
Basically you can have ADF but Feds will politicise the Army for your downfall.
ADF > Defence Aid to the Civil Community DACC 4/6 (Not as > Call Out / Up)https://emergencylaw.wordpress.com/2020/07/02/using-the-adf-to-maintain-...
ABF / ADF are deployed to assist security at Airports Arrivals & Borders.
ADF transport the arrivals to Scomo's Hot Hotel Chain Rydges or stated.
(ADF Reservists) have no more power than crew to arrest a Quarantine breach.
They cannot order anybody only advise instructions as a bouncer could.
Hot Hotel Quarantine.
27 March 2020 (ABC.."Who will Police it?")
PM: The Quarantine centres will be policed by police forces,with support from ADF.
27 March 2020 (PM) Media Release...https://www.pm.gov.au/media/update-coronavirus-measures-270320
"The Commonwealth will provide support through the ABF & ADF for these arrangements "Across Australia", and that the "States & Territories would meet the costs" & determine any "Contributions required for travellers"arriving within their jurisdictions."
(Later States began charging for Quarantine to recoup costs)
Also NSW (only) gets all interstate traveller's costs reimbursed by said states.
Aust' Aviation: "The ADF will begin assisting State & Territory Govts to undertake "Quarantine Compliance Checks" of those who are required to be in mandatory isolation after "Returning from Overseas."
ABF [+] Check > ADF Transit > AFP Hotel > State Health / Police > Red Cross
Fed Govt also permits Day 15 (positive cases) to exit Quarantine onto City Transit.
Note: (37 simply walked out on 'Day 1' Sydney Rydges Hot Hotel)...
29th March Melbourne Arrivals (See below 27th March arrangement)
ABF [+] Check > (Mystery Machine) > Hotel > Vic Police + ADFhttps://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/high-security-as-internation...
29th March 2020 "Soldiers help enforce mandatory Covid-19 quarantine."https://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2020/03/29/soldiers-help-enforce-ma...
Lt Bronte Heslehurst: "Assist Police by Securing Bus transit from Airport to Hotels."
"ADF works with Police with the Planning of Quarantine"
29th March + Aug Defence Minister: Army reservists allocation...
NSW more than 30 at Airport + 40 at 6 Hot Hotels
(Aug-664) Q 165 + Borders 435 + Contract Tracing Digital transfer 60+>12
Qld around 12 between Bne / Cairns Airports + 12 for One Cairns Hotel.
(Aug-492) Q 196 + (Borders 156 > PM ends early in Sept to rig Qld Election)
WA around 50 to support quarantine for New Arrivals
Note: Already moved baggage from Freemantle to Perth Airport & Rottnest Ferry.
(Aug-124) Q 50 + Airport 71 + Logistics 6
NT border control operations + (Aug-121) Borders 76
ADF is working with other state & territory authorities to determine their support requirements & stand ready to provide that support on short notice.
(Aug) SA- 130 / Border 100 / Health 4 + ACT- 8 +Tas (n/a)
Vic (27 Mar')agreed ADF be engaged to support implementation of arrangementshttps://www.premier.vic.gov.au/enforced-quarantine-returned-travellers-c...
28th March " Expected to be Bused to Melbourne Hotel Rooms 'guarded by ADF.'"https://www.sbs.com.au/news/mandatory-quarantine-of-overseas-arrivals-ro...
Defence minister claims Vic refused Quarantine offer but News report ADF on 29th.
24 June - Vic requests 850 ADF for Quarantine then withdraw request.
(Aug-539) Med Tests 324 + Logistics / Calls 161 + Borders 150
All report that ADF were deployed to oversee "o/s Quarantine Transit to Hotels".
In fact ADF welcomed them & managed their luggage to & off the Air Buses.
Melbourne ADF never welcomed or carted bags but were reported as Cop back up!
*How can Defence MP claim no ADF (vs) Media reports ADF at Melbourne Hotels
*Day 2 Linda redirects Hot Hotel ADF to Leadership Teams busting self isolationhttps://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/soldiers-now-patrolling-a...
*How come Feds failed to secure Melbourne international Airport Transit to CBD.
This was the #1 Step in the Plan! Don't lose the new guys! (Massive ADF Fuck Up!)
Victorian Govt advise of no pick ups, just follow Mandatory Mystery bus to Hotels?https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/message-families-travellers-returning-australia
Day 2 ADF Redeploy from Airport & Hot Hotels to door knocking led to breaches.
Why must every Scomo inquiry omit the beginning & Hot Spot to frame a lie?
Ruby Hillsong Overboard / No Virus at Lab / Hot Hotel ADF went door Knocking
The ADF Bus driver couldn't find Melbourne Airport...let alone Scomo's Hot Hotel.
No problem backing over Jenny & getting her caught in the rear tyres...
Brutal! Cold. I wonder if he was telling her that she was doing a great job, that they were a team, hang in there, we’ve nearly made it - right to the last. Before he chopped off her head. That’s some Game of Thrones/Julius Caesar level politics right there!
"Failing that Prime Minister Scott Morrison should take the necessary measures to have the corrupt bunch dismissed."
The Fascist streak runs pretty strong with this one.
Here you go you defenders of the indefensible.
Definition of corruption
1a: dishonest or illegal behavior especially by powerful people (such as government officials or police officers) : DEPRAVITY
b: inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (such as bribery)
the corruption of government officials
c: a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct
the corruption of a text
the corruption of computer files
d: DECAY, DECOMPOSITION
the corruption of a carcass
Source: Merriam-Webster (Sorry stu, I know you prefer Wikipedia but this will have to do)
Yeh mate that's the definition ......now all you need is evidence that anyone in the Victorian government was guilty of any of those offences. There is to my knowledge no evidence for your accusation of corruption. Mikakos and Andrews disagree about what happened but neither account directly contradicts the other. What you believe is irrelevant, it's the public record that counts. Unsupported allegations of corruption are the lowest form of politics. They undermine confidence in government and democracy. Put up or shut up.
This corruption refers to Fed Govt Defence Minister's Timeline obviously...https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/minister/lreynolds/statements/adf-su...
* Linda claims ADF were ready to Go, yet they were days late to all Airports?
* This 2-3 day hold up cost a breakout of 37 breaches.
* PM informs States/departments/media (Often!) that ADF secure all quarantine.
* ADF Never even spotted one inbound Plane into Victoria..( Not very Secure?)
* ADF never secured O/S Vic Airport to Quarantine (Regardless of Whatever!)
* Were ADF deployed to transit home PM's still infected Day 15 Quarantine Cases
* Did ADF just watch as PM's Day 15 infected Zombies walk City streets?
* Linda claims Victoria said no to ADF but news reports Yes & ADF were deployed
* ADF Stood outside Vic Hotels for 2 days then fucked off...ask Linda why!
* Minister redeployed starstruck Hot Hotel ADF to Housos Leadership teams
* ADF Sydney were responsible for fucking guests & 400 Quarantine breaches.
* PM ignores reality & claims ADF did a great Job in Sydney like his (ABF Cruises)
* Feds supply 60 ADF tech heads to digitize Sydney CT then say Vic CT is Shit.
* Did ADF offer to secure 'Covid testing' for o/s Arrivals at Melbourne Airport?
* Were ADF deployed when ABF Covid-19 outbreak shutdown Melbourne Airport.
* Were ADF deployed to secure Site when Govt Shut Down Melbourne Arrivals.
* Were ADF troops deployed to mop up Fed's Vic Aged Care Pandemic...Hell Yes!
* Feds now cut ADF Qld Border Duties short despite Qld Police requests.
* Are Feds continuing ADF on all other borders (Without any Request)...Yes!
* Did Fed Govt politicize ADF on numerous occasions during Pandemic...Yes!
Were any of these Victorian ADF related major failings mentioned once in Inquiry?
Was Linda's fucktard pile of garbage sworn in as Gospel by toffs...my wordy Yes!
Did Media forget they've already printed the complete opposite to inquiry findings!
tbb defines this process as Corruption...not what hapless Vic ALP did or didn't do...
Defence Minister + Inquiry heads + Media should be sacked for being corrupt...durr!
Good Luck Vic & Jenny ...you good folk deserve better than retarded ADF assault.
How desperate can you be to defend the indefensible tbb? Your unreadable gibberish has reached a new level. The entire State of Victoria understands that the Labor Govt is corrupt, an undeniable fact which was exposed at the inquiry (read the transcript). Now we can add utter mindless stupidity to Sgt Schultz's resume. Case in point - restrictions were minimally relaxed yesterday to allow fishing for 2 hrs within 5 kms of your home, but boating and golf are still not allowed. Therefore it is now legal to crowd piers but illegal to fish from a boat a few kms from anyone else, or play golf hundreds of metres from any other golfer. Not even mindless twats like blowjob and vic bitter can blame the Libs or the ADF for this one.
maybe dandrews the dictator can redeem himself if he pulls this one off..
must be tired of being oz's leper colony
...or gone the full wuhan amidst the belt and road 'benefits'...
I'm taking a more positive mindset into this week... only 3 weeks to go and we are free again. Let's get it done. Now if I could just find a public pool that isn't already booked out for the next 3 weeks I might be able to get myself surf-fit in time for a wave fest after October 19!
As for Dan, his real test comes when we do open back up. Every other state managed it, if he fails again he's gone.
I've lost track of things a bit...too confusing, too politicised and frankly, it's just been rolling on for too long for me to continue to prioritise caring about this. My thoughts are show me a Government that's completely transparent, and not incompetent/corrupt and I'll show you a pig which can fly. They're all a shit show and they're all human.
Anyway - I saw that for the next step Melb Metro can travel to regional vic provided they're not at a different stage of lockdown? Anyone got their head around how likely that will be?
Still personally holding out for masks to [email protected]#k off...
stay with it Dx3, almost there, however, if thats his strategy could be longer? ...and dangerous? ...for him, and public compliance...
I actually think its a smart strategy, with levels so low in the rest of oz, a containment strategy appears totally flawed. both in terms of dropping in and out of lockdowns, and gaining the confidence of the rest of australia
having said that, I think eradication is a bit of a pipedrean. those borders (international and domestic) need to open some time ...soon... people are getting toey
And now face shields and scarves are banned? Face masks only?
Is that correct?
Stok - on the metro/regional bit, as per the roadmap the next step beyond what regional are currently in is a "statewide" step, so regional VIC can't go any further with easing restrictions until metro Melb catches up to them. To borrow that nauseating phrase, once Metro Melb progresses passed current level restrictions we are once more "all in this together" before we move to the final step.
I actually raised this in the surf report comment and some legend clarified it for me, as I was worried that the 5km raidus might be dropped but we still might not be able to go regional. Thank fuck it's not the case, as I'm outta town as soon as legally allowed!
Correct GF, are you surfing?
First time through lockdown it’s got to me for a few days now, the way I’ve read the restrictions it’s going to be sometime in mid-late Nov before I might be allowed out of this 5 km ring, please tell me I’m wrong someone
Hey Guy, thanks, it seems strange hey?
People wearing face masks, scarves and face shields the last however many weeks seems to be working fine and has led us to be ahead of the predicted forecast and yet now all of a sudden everyone HAS to be wearing masks only!
What we've been doing is working well, why bring in even more un-necessary fucken rules. Jesus I cant stand this cunt of a man. He's gotta go after this is over.
And still no-one knows who was responsible for the hotel quarantine stuff up?
Back to surfing... yeah I lasted about 5 weeks out of the water then I was willing to risk a fine.
My top 3 de-stressing activities are 1. surfing, 2. swimming (laps in pool or in Bay), 3. CrossFit/f45 session. All those were suddenly illegal so I lasted as long as i could then that was it.
Hopefully you are reading it wrong and its much sooner than that for you...
"People wearing face masks, scarves and face shields the last however many weeks seems to be working fine and has led us to be ahead of the predicted forecast and yet now all of a sudden everyone HAS to be wearing masks only!"
this is crazy!
the first thing you need to do is make it as easy as possible for people to comply, this is just pedantic dumbness
Cheers GF, good luck to you. I’m close enough to PP bay to legally swim but every time I go down there it’s overrun with people. Same with the state park behind my house, 100s of extra people daily and in there masks seem optional for many so I now avoid the place unless it’s raining ....the depressing thing for us is we should now be living on the coast well outside the restrictions zone but we got out bided on the house we wanted back in March, darn that hurts.
Bugger, what suburb are you looking to move to?
yeah sypkan its bizarre hey
The mask vs shield thing is fucking stupid and it further shows the shitshow in charge of managing this thing, as you said we got down from 700 to 5 with shields & masks, now they tell us only masks. Not to mention that scarves and bandana's are ok which in terms of preventing drops of a virus getting in or out do absolutely fucking nothing.
I need to get off here now, my positive mindset is slipping haha
Nice guy, beautiful part of Victoria.
I’m sure something else will pop up for you
Here's my addition of negativity - use of the phrase 'Covid Normal' to describe life after step 4 or whatever. What a load of shite.
Don’t get too excited just yet with regional opening up (or even the dropping of the 5km rule) in the next step just yet, direct quote from Andrews this morning:
Q: Just on the 5K rule, essentially the further people get from the centre of the city the more punishing that is because they don't have as many shops or parks or amenities within their 5K radius, how much did that reality factor into your decision making in deciding to keep it?
A: all of those factors are really important factors and if I could have announced yesterday in a safe way without compromising the overall objective that the 5Ks was off I would have done that. That's just not an option that the modelling and our experts tell us...it's just not a wise thing to do now. Now in three weeks time...we'll have to wait and see see...I'm not making that announcement but obviously the same process we've gone through this time will be the process we go through then and I can certainly confirm that what's in prospect in three weeks if these numbers continue to fall and testing rates remain at a robust level and all the other things being equal is that the reasons to leave they can go and we can move to a much freer movement...now how far you can go I'm not quite sure where we are going to land on that...we'll get the most...the least restrictive set of arrangements that don't compromise safety or don't run the high risk of us going backwards just a short time thereafter.
Also you can exercise within 5km of your permitted workplace now. Going to be a lot of tradies doing the rounds between Gunna and Portsea over the next couple of days!
Thanks geek. Fair to say I have the lowest level of trust imaginable in Andrews so I reckon he has some surprises in store for us yet, the fuckwit. "now how far you can go I'm not quite sure..."
That all said, if the active cases continues to plummet as they are, if the daily numbers drop lower and stay low, if the community cases that aren't health/aged care related remain almost non-existent as they are now - good luck to him keeping us locked down in any level of radius.
Victoria’s hotel quarantine inquiry has heard the program failed due to a “multitude of decisions, actions and inactions”.
Delivering closing submissions to the inquiry on Monday, counsel assisting Tony Neal QC said there was no suggestion those who set up the program worked other than with “the best of intentions and to the best of their ability”.
“Bad faith or corruption is not what the evidence shows,” he said.
Neal said public servants were given just 36 hours to set up the program, following a national cabinet announcement on 27 March.
Within two and a half months, the “hastily assembled program failed at two locations ... and with disastrous consequences”, he said.
“It will not be suggested that a single decision or a single actor caused the hotel quarantine program to fail in its objective of stopping the spread of Covid-19 into the broader community,” Neal said.
“A multitude of decisions, actions and inactions, many of which compounded the effect of the other, ultimately expressed itself in the outbreaks which subverted the very reason for the existence of a hotel quarantine program.”
The decision to use private security in Victoria’s botched hotel quarantine program was not a decision at all, the counsel assisting the Victorian hotel quarantine inquiry has said in closing submissions, but Victoria police’s strong preference played a role in the “creeping assumption” to use private security.
Counsel assisting Rachel Ellyard told the inquiry on Monday that the evidence before the inquiry points to no one person ultimately making the decision to use private security guards on 27 March, when the program was announced.
The inquiry has heard on that date, in meetings among senior public servants in Victoria, including emergency management commissioner, Andrew Crisp, and then Victoria police commissioner Graham Ashton, a “creeping assumption” emerged that private security would be used to guard hotels, not police.
Ellyard said because there was no decision, there was no consideration of whether it was appropriate or not, so it was a failure in decision making. She said although Victoria police strongly denies its preference influencing the decision, the “consensus was influenced and strongly influenced we would say, by everyone at that meeting understanding what Victoria police’s preference was.
But hey why not blame Dan? He's an easy target for those who have to have someone to blame and can't be arsed looking at the evidence.
So no one has to take accountability for it. Perfect.
And blowfly coming from NSW safe to say you’ve got no idea of the frustration and helplessness that some people are feeling down here.
But hey keep up the smart arse comments!
Hmm yeah fairly convenient eh.. Surely once that creeping assumption was decided on, that's who and where the buck stops?
"So no one has to take accountability for it."
People are accountable for their conduct and in this case, in an incredibly difficult situation, some made poor decisions or failed to identify the seriousness of some risks. Does that mean they should be blamed? I don't think so. maybe think about this a bit more.
"Tony Neal QC said there was no suggestion those who set up the program worked other than with “the best of intentions and to the best of their ability”.
“Bad faith or corruption is not what the evidence shows,” he said."
As for frustration, I can't see how creating anger against people who did their best does anything but increase that. Sometimes we should just accept that shit happens despite everyone's best efforts. For me that would seem a better way to maintain mental health.
Considering the coached & consistent responses all ministers who fronted the inquiry gave, and in at least a couple of instances the proven dishonest responses they gave (Pakula and Mikakos lying about their knowledge of security guards for example - there is video evidence), the inquiry was never going to show anything other than collective incompetence was at the heart of the issues with HQ.
I think what is more unforgivable is the repeated concerns raised very early on, within days of its set-up, and from medical professionals no less, that there were significant risks in the hotel program in regards to infection control. Infection control is what fucked this state and the inept contract tracing in place exacerbated it, and I guess as it turns out that was DHHS responsibility, hence Mikakos is gone.
As you seem to love quoting the inquiry, here is another one for you that counsel assisting Ben Ihle gave today:
“The failure by the hotel quarantine program to contain this virus is today responsible for the deaths of 768 people, and the infection of some 18,490,”
And to goofyfoots point - do not as a NSW local pass off what's gone as "shit happens" considering the economic, physical and mental carnage brought on in this state. That's not how it works. This government through their inaction & incompetence has stained this state for a long time to come.