New Victoria restrictions

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Supafreak started the topic in Sunday, 2 Aug 2020 at 3:15pm

Just watched the press release from Dan Andrews and I really feel for how victorians are going to once again pay for others stupidity. Not sure how they are going to police the 1 hour exercise policy but a trip down the coast for a surf could be costly. I understand these new restrictions are mainly Melbourne suburbs and I’m very grateful for where I live NSW Qld border. When we were in shutdown there was no time limit for our exercise thank god as a 3 hour surf kept me sane after losing my job.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 7:21pm

"Any other government they’d be gone but Morrison lets them stay, no idea why."
A one seat majority means incompetent and corrupt MPs are a protected species. This mob were seriously bent pre election and then Australia gave them a mandate for more of the same.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 7:50pm

Here’s one for that unrelenting shitbag Vic Local.

Turns out that there was no expert medical advice behind Dictator Dan’s world beating punitive lockdown . The medical experts claimed there was no advantage to such drastic measures but Dan implemented them anyway.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8708331/Victorias-chief-health-...

This only hours after Vic Local telling us how much he hates people who ignore the advice of the medical experts and after weeks of telling us how immaculate Dan is.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 8:09pm

Seriously blowin,
Do you expect me not to check if your link matches your BS rhetoric?

The link doesn't talk about the entire lockdown at all (which is very much supported by the medical experts), just the night time curfew part.

The curfew was introduced on the advice of the emergency management commissioner rather than the Chief Medical Officer (Sutton). That is the entire basis for your truly crap argument.

Was Sutton against the curfew?

Sutton said 'It (Curfew) wasn't something that I was against from a public health perspective."
" I think it has been useful."

That's all in your link you so helpfully added.

When you don't have a decent argument, you lie, and try to baffle people with bullshit.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 8:27pm

Curfew is a lockdown during nighttime . Not sure how much simpler it can be said if you still can’t understand.

So Dictator Dan gets a free pass on the gestspo-esque curfew he punitively imposed with zero scientific justification ?

Locking five million people in their homes because the sun has gone down is indefensible Orwellian bullshit.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 8:34pm

Like I said, stop embarrassing yourself blowin.
The night time curfew was brought in via a different bureaucratic channel and Sutton didn't object to it happening. That's it. That's the basis for your rant.
From those facts you've lept to a " gestspo-esque (sic) curfew" and "Orwellian bullshit".
Go to bed blowin, you're drunk.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 8:40pm

A different bureaucratic channel ?

Only one person who has the power to declare a curfew for five million people and that’s the premier. There was no impetus , initiative or suggestion from the medical experts for the imposition of this draconian measure. It was based on no scientific advice at all.

The facts speak louder than your shouty voice.

Back on ignore you go,

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 8:47pm

A different bureaucratic channel ?
Yes dopey. If you actually read the link you put up, "The curfew came in as part of the state of disaster... it wasn't a state of emergency requirement,"
State of Disaster gives the police minister responsibility for directing and co-ordinating the activities of all government agencies.
A State of Emergency declaration gives the Victorian Chief Health Officer (Sutton) broad powers to act to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health by detaining people, restricting movement, preventing entry to premises, or providing any other directions considered reasonable to protect public health, slow the spread ..."
So when you say "Only one person who has the power to declare a curfew" you are flat out talking out your arse.
Serious question blowin. Why do you even try and debate topics you have absolutely no idea about? You're not a bush lawyer's arsehole mate, so why the amateur lawyering?

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 8 Sep 2020 at 9:35pm

There we go folks. blowin / DSDS talked absolute shit, got called out for it, and then buggered off.
But tomorrow's another day and blowin will shake his little etch-a-sketch and pretend nothing happened.

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indo-dreaming commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 7:20am

To all the Avi haters, his new video dropped and he did not get arrested only cautioned, which you can see from the footage was a complete hoax anyway..

Those who dont want to watch the video, this is what it contains.

1. Police check point for vehicles, where they stop Avi and then they produce media permits for himself, camera man and sound man, all fine yes he is a registered journalist and had 100% legal right to be there like other jounalist.

2. Then him peacefully reporting solo (not even interviewing anyone) around him you can clearly see other journalist only metres from him, he was obviously in an area journalist were allowed to be, however obviously one cop who isn't a fan spots him and calls others in which see's him get knocked to the ground (totally over the top)

3 His camera and sound men, were not contained by police and actually got footage of other known mainstream journalist, complaining about police treatment including calling the cops dickheads or something.

4. He had a seperate sound recording going after his fake arrest that lead to a caution, so you get that insight, and police media women, who must oversea all media.

5. Cops then come to his house that night, audio recorded, clearly just to try to scare him.

No matter your views on him, the reality is his treatment only plays into his and his audience hands and instead of a story on the issue that he gets anyway that would have only got his average views or maybe slightly over, he now gets a much better video/story with all the evidence that he had done nothing wrong and was just targeted by one cop to try to silence him

BTW the video dropped 15hrs ago that already has over 100K views, so in time could become one of higher viewed videos (his highest has 2.5 million views but most average below 100k unless big stories)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGRi2GusCI

And yes Vic, we know what you think of him.

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lostdoggy commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 7:54am

I agree with that, indo.
Avi the fuckhead got exactly what he wanted and now furthers his supporters/anti-lockdown cause.

That policeman is clearly an idiot and didn’t think that through.

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Snuffy Smith commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 9:25am

Avi you don,t know

Balls of fire

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 9:43am

I actually feel sorry for the cops having to deal with the anti-lockdown fuckwits. They are in an impossible situation. Give in to the nutters and star in a YouTube video, or smash car windows and arrest the nutters and they go viral on social media.
Most of the anti-lockdown fuckwits are just idiots who actually believe the rubbish they say. Ari on the other hand is just an opportunistic flog who can see a bunch of suckers ripe for his grifting. It's all about the $$$ for the wife basher and if that endangers public health, the garden gnome simply doesn't care. What an arsehole.

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Hiccups commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 9:30am

2 things we already knew. Avi is a fuckhead, and the police are fucked.

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cdawg commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 10:07am

Vic, what's your view on Sweden's approach to Covid?

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GuySmiley commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 10:50am

I reckon these obscure alt-fact/culture warrior wankers are competing for the same demographic as the Kardashians but without the plastic lips and titties. Numpty porn.

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 11:06am

"Vic, what's your view on Sweden's approach to Covid?"
Sweden 6000 deaths, Norway 290.
Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.
All Sweden's approach did was put people in early graves and delay the economic fallout by a month.
I can't believe anyone is still believing the Swedish solution guff Alan Jones keeps pushing. The facts don't lie. He's better at cottaging in London than analysing medical / economic figures.

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 11:14am

Agree Guy, there are so many halfwits across the board that it’s no wonder that cretins from this Avi fella to Pete Evans to every “wellness” bullshit artist are popping up.
The money is there to be had and people are dying to be conned.

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factotum commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 11:52am

Hahahahaha Snuffy!

Trip doon memory lane!

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cdawg commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 1:15pm

Vic, I disagree.

Sweden should have protected the aged care facilities, where most fatalities occurred, but even with that their deaths are better on a per capita basis than European counterparts that enacted lockdowns. This is without the associated economic damage, which is two-fold here in Australia: Business closures/job losses and the enormous tax bill from the $100bn or whatever support package lumped on future generations.

Do you support indefinite lockdowns in the event of no vaccine and no herd immunity (by virtue of the lockdowns)?

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cdawg commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 1:17pm

Oh and Vic, that Alan Jones comment (implying my support for him) is a straw man surely?

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cdawg commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 1:18pm

The cottaging reference is funny though!

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factotum commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 1:25pm

WA: business as usual. And for some of the others, not!

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/bhp-to-axe-interst...

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 1:35pm

How is Vic so in-the-know with these obscure terms?

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factotum commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 4:24pm

CFMEU WA response to the announcement:

"Today we saw a BHP announcement of a local job policy that will see them preference West Australians and require interstate workers to relocate to WA for the duration of their employment.

It's a good start. But it doesn't include contractors and it makes some specific exclusions for South Flank.

So once again BHP want the public praise for being seen to do the right thing but limit the benefits to only their direct employees. As if all the other people who work on their mine sites are nothing to do with them.

It should not have taken a deadly global pandemic for people to wise up to the fact that outsourcing and offshoring local jobs, driving down local wages, and robbing people's job security is not in the interests of our State or our local communities and businesses.

Lets hope this is just the start of people wising up and making sure local workers have the good, well paid, secure jobs our State needs to keep our economy on track.

Mark McGowan, you're doing a great job. But we need policies like this to extend down the chain. BHP need to be held to account for who they give contracts to and for dodgy labour hire arrangements. Not just their own employees who are often actually the minority of total workers on their mine sites."

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Dx3 commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 1:45pm

"WA workers should be first in line for WA jobs. There are many West Australians that can perform the roles needed in the sector."

We really are becoming separate countries aren't we. The notion of Australia as a country is fading.

"Mr McGowan has asked the federal government to assist in helping it fill jobs in regional areas while the WA border is closed, calling on Prime Minister Scott Morrison to allow West Australians to keep their JobKeeper payments if they take up employment outside of major population centres."

Sorry can someone help me understand this? WA locals will get new jobs whilst at the same time staying on JobKeeper? Why do they need welfare paid by the rest of the aussie taxpayers when they have a paying job that they are actively working in? Am I missing something?

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 2:24pm

"Oh and Vic, that Alan Jones comment (implying my support for him) is a straw man surely?"
You made the implication. The comment wasn't about you cdawg.

"How is Vic so in-the-know with these obscure terms?" AndyM,
Gary G took me cottaging one night. Not really a big fan, but he was so excited, I couldn't let him down. I just hung around waiting for him to finish. Last time I offer to be designated driver for him.

cdawg. Comparing Sweden to the European average really isn't sensible given France, Spain, and Italy got whacked early. Comparing Sweden to other Scandinavian countries is much more rational. And yes Sweden's infection figures are woeful compared to their neighbours, and their economic figures are similar. So no, Sweden did not perform well overall.

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cdawg commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 2:29pm

But their economic weakness is pre-covid no?

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cdawg commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 2:30pm

"Gary G took me cottaging one night. Not really a big fan, but he was so excited, I couldn't let him down. I just hung around waiting for him to finish. Last time I offer to be designated driver for him." - Very good!

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 2:42pm

"But their economic weakness is pre-covid no?"
Not really. Sweden's GDP held up when they refused to lockdown and then plummeted when the bodies started piling up.
One of the biggest economic problems for countries with skyrocketing infection rates is people refusing to go back to work due to safety concerns. It's happening in the USA with teachers. Governments can demand a re-opening all they want, but that doesn't mean workers are going to risk their health to make it happen. Economies simply aren't recovering until the medical problem is massively reduced / solved. So everyone here should thank a Victorian for taking one for Team Australia.

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 4:19pm

farkenell
the things you learn on Swellnet
VL I was picturing James Herriot-type rural adventures when you wrote that term

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DudeSweetDudeSweet commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 4:25pm

I imagine VL is used to accepting a balled up and sweaty $5 note as thanks when he’s previously taken one from a stranger.

He might appreciate a bit of verbal gratitude for a change. Wont pay the rent though .

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 4:30pm

VJ, I hope you didn't google "cottaging" to find out what it meant. Imagine the type of ads you're going to get from now on if you did. Grinder will be one of the tidier ones.
I learnt the term when Alan Jones did some cottaging in London.
And that reminds me of Roy and HG's campaign to "find Alan a wife". Those blokes are national living treasures.

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 4:31pm

Designated driver.

So you were pitcher rather than catcher?

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 4:34pm

lol it was all in your wording, I thought "London is so built up, there can't be many cottages left there..."
yes my computer is now toast

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ringmaster commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 5:13pm

I had to google it too V.J. Did a couple of working stints in London to supplement travelling back in the day and never heard the term.

Around the same time I caught up with some cousins in Scotland and pissed myself when they explained what the the terms 'dogging' and 'doggers' were.

Look forward to seeing some out there ads after I post this.........

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 5:19pm

Designated driver.

So you were pitcher rather than catcher?

Neither, just helping a mate live his dream.

"James Herriot-type rural adventures". Showing your age there VJ. Kids these days wouldn't know who James Herriot was.

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nomad1 commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 5:17pm

Agree comparing Sweden to neighbours is more relevant.

Swedish outbreaks initially were the same source as here in Norway, mainly people returning from skiing holidays in the Alps where places like Ischgl had 1000s infected then fly off home.

Sweden's Q2 economic downturn was worse than all it's neighbours.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-w...

Despite them having far less restrictions than us in Norway.
In Norway now it's not quite back to normal in that live music venues and so on are shut but you can go to the gym, eat out, go to the pub (they shut at 12 now though). Not been a big deal over summer. Hoping that infections don't increase and bring back lockdowns over winter. Being stuck at home over winter won't be fun of ski resorts, restaurants gyms and bars are shut!!

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nomad1 commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 5:18pm

Agree comparing Sweden to neighbours is more relevant.

Swedish outbreaks initially were the same source as here in Norway, mainly people returning from skiing holidays in the Alps where places like Ischgl had 1000s infected then fly off home.

Sweden's Q2 economic downturn was worse than all it's neighbours.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-w...

Despite them having far less restrictions than us in Norway.
In Norway now it's not quite back to normal in that live music venues and so on are shut but you can go to the gym, eat out, go to the pub (they shut at 12 now though). Not been a big deal over summer. Hoping that infections don't increase and bring back lockdowns over winter. Being stuck at home over winter won't be fun if ski resorts, restaurants gyms and bars are shut!!

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 7:20pm

VL my parents loved the show. As a little kid I wondered why the man had his arm up a cow.
Ringy, I don't really know that term either, might have to look it up...

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 7:28pm

Ah, so there could be a play on words with Covid Dogs dogging...

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 7:29pm

VJ, It's kind of like what James Herriot did, except humans instead of cows, and public toilets rather than green fields.

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Stok commented Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 at 10:53pm

Meanwhile in Victoria, the premier assists to define platonic vs intimate relationships.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1303265261408022528

Actually....I wonder if hitting the dating apps in say Torquay would be an option for single surfers...looking to find an intimate partner to visit down the coast?

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 8:21am

Dan Andrews was actually pretty funny in that video. He was explaining the difference between plutonic and intimate relations to a news corp "journalist" who has spent the last few months asking ridiculous questions at every Andrews press conference.
Stok. In terms of single girls in Torquay, you're out of luck. The blokes down here are just so damn handsome, single girls just don't exist on the coast. They try and resist our charms, but you know, they are human.

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Craig commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 8:33am

Haha, gold.

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Stok commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 9:33am

Yes agreed - great to see Dan breaking the mold and being genuinely funny (in a very relatable way). Even more funny that the news corp journo thought that was a question worth clarifying.

As for dating...fair call. But I guess the handsome blokes at Torquay are the ones who spend their days in the cafes, or hanging at the wholefoods store? Never seem to see them out in the surf...!?

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ringmaster commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 10:17am

Once I take off my full face, frill neck lizard hood and have a hot shower I'm much better looking.

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 12:41pm

Stok, you could swipe right on Gary G but he may prefer you keep wearing a mask

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 12:44pm

& Dan is a very dry comedian, who knew?

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Hiccups commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 1:14pm

Just dropped this into the usa thread by accident. Its been totally derailed by VL and dudesweetdickhead.

It would be nice to see the press go this hard on sombody who is constantly abusing their power for personal political gain, rather than someone fairly fighting for his constituents during a major public health crisis.

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Stok commented Thursday, 10 Sep 2020 at 1:21pm

VJ - I may be wrong, but from my readings of Gary G he's a inner urban dweller?

Not saying I wouldn't swipe right but.