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blowfly started the topic in Wednesday, 1 Jul 2020 at 9:40am

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Distracted Wednesday, 16 Feb 2022 at 3:46pm

Bonza, they would be the threatened Glossy Black Cockatoos in the casuarinas. Around here they really got knocked around by the bushfires which toasted their main food sources, Coastal and Forest She Oak.

…..How did your new low cost airline launch go?

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freeride76 Wednesday, 16 Feb 2022 at 3:53pm

All yellow-tailed blacks around here.

They seem to like feeding on coastal banksia cones.

I love the slow, deep wingbeats and prehistoric wailing they make.

There was a flock of around 40 hanging around here last winter.

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bonza Wednesday, 16 Feb 2022 at 3:56pm

yep that's them. the coastal sub species? beautiful bird - their call seems less piercing than the yellow tails?- I'm not a twitcher

yellwo tails also love the macadamias the pricks

yeah about that airline - its a sore point. - just trying to figure how to get my cut.

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GreenJam Wednesday, 16 Feb 2022 at 4:14pm

that's good Robwilliams - re the decision to cease the clearfelling of old growth forests. But the decision to end all timber harvesting in all native forests (not just WA, but other states have moved in this direction also) will not be good for mitigating climate change in the long-term. These forests will no longer be actively managed and will eventually burn, releasing massive amounts of carbon back into the atmosphere. There would be a greater net long-term carbon sequestration benefit from selective harvesting of regrowth native forests - locking up carbon in harvested timber products that have many uses for decades, and creating the small-scale disturbance/gaps in the forest that eucalypts need for successful regeneration, to continue the cycle. And these manged forests would be less susceptible to wildfires. Locking up all of our once productive native forests is bad political decision-making that does not follow the science.

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Robwilliams Friday, 18 Feb 2022 at 8:32am

Don't get the red tailed cockatoo here so I was stoked to have seen them in the sw. We have a bit of a problem with yellow crested cockatoos hammering trees at the moment such as the norfolk pine and some gums. They pick a tree and and go to work. Either for entertainment or food. Make a huge mess and have left some trees struggling. Seem to go into a frenzy, Bit like teething with allot of noise.
Abc reported this this morning about the lower lakes of the the murray. Special area. Been a good year for some birds in the south. Far cooler summer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-02-18/coorong-black-swans/1008383...

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Robwilliams Friday, 18 Feb 2022 at 8:41am
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that's good Robwilliams - re the decision to cease the clearfelling of old growth forests. But the decision to end all timber harvesting in all native forests (not just WA, but other states have moved in this direction also) will not be good for mitigating climate change in the long-term. These forests will no longer be actively managed and will eventually burn, releasing massive amounts of carbon back into the atmosphere. There would be a greater net long-term carbon sequestration benefit from selective harvesting of regrowth native forests - locking up carbon in harvested timber products that have many uses for decades, and creating the small-scale disturbance/gaps in the forest that eucalypts need for successful regeneration, to continue the cycle. And these manged forests would be less susceptible to wildfires. Locking up all of our once productive native forests is bad political decision-making that does not follow the science.

I was amazed that the prescribed burns in the sw took place in the drier months. They should burn in winter if they are going to do it. Reduced fuel loads through winters, it still burns easily and is far more controllable. A balancing act for sure especially when considering population and flora and funa.

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seeds Friday, 18 Feb 2022 at 10:21am

Beautiful colours Rob

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Craig Tuesday, 22 Feb 2022 at 8:13am

The retreat continues..

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Robwilliams Monday, 28 Feb 2022 at 12:04pm

Massive numbers in the east.
High numbers in west. To further add to some of the recent swellnet articles and comments.
Abc today.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-28/wa-weather-delivers-perth-its-hot...

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Craig Monday, 28 Feb 2022 at 6:38pm

Oh wow, hottest on record. Missed that. Thanks Rob.

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Robwilliams Monday, 28 Feb 2022 at 9:20pm

Craig you guys put so much effort into a great web sight. You have provided allot of excellent info on weather that has taught us allot. You guys provide so much excellent information in regards how it all relates to the fun we all love. I just add what I find interesting. You guys have made allot of people happy with the experience and knowledge you have attained in a career from your passions. Pretty epic

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Constance B Gibson Monday, 28 Feb 2022 at 11:47pm
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Craig Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 8:51am

Thanks for the kind words Rob. And yeah reading for the weekend Constance.

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flollo Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 2:15pm

House collapsing into the ocean on the North Shore

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/02/28/no-injuries-after-house-collaps...

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goofyfoot Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 2:21pm
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House collapsing into the ocean on the North Shore

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/02/28/no-injuries-after-house-collaps...

Interested to see what the outcome will be from this. I'm guessing there won't be any sea walls or similar built that may affect wave quality in that part of the world.

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stunet Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 2:31pm
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House collapsing into the ocean on the North Shore

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/02/28/no-injuries-after-house-collaps...

Interested to see what the outcome will be from this. I'm guessing there won't be any sea walls or similar built that may affect wave quality in that part of the world.

No, seawalls are prohibited in Hawaii. However, that house and others nearby that are also in danger of collapsing had been shoring up their sea-front boundaries with sandbags.

Sandbags are allowed to be used for emergency purposes, but they're meant to then be removed. The owners found a loophole to keep sandbags in place permanently.

Not that it matters in the end, as the above story makes clear. It just delays the inevitable.

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tubeshooter Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 3:08pm

From that Hawaiin news article ..
"HPD said no injuries were reported. It's not clear what caused the house to collapse."
Surely they can't be serious.?

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Craig Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 4:07pm

Well there ya go, and that idiot having a go at the authorities re protecting his house. Mate it's futile, they shouldn't be there.

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blackers Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 6:19pm

Astounding stories comming out of Lismore. Stay safe up that way peeps.
How Lismore locals became flood rescue heroes when emergency services were swamped - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/lismore-floods-how-two-blokes-in-...

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tubeshooter Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 6:44pm

Yeah , some of the stories of the elderly and frail struggling to get to roofs or higher ground is chilling.
Anyone up there missing a cow ?

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bonza Tuesday, 1 Mar 2022 at 8:37pm

Regarding the latest IPCC report: some renewed context - https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/climate/

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Supafreak Wednesday, 2 Mar 2022 at 5:29pm

@Craig , do you see these radical floods that we’re currently witnessing becoming more regular and making towns like Lismore unliveable ?

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Robwilliams Wednesday, 2 Mar 2022 at 9:12pm
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Robwilliams Wednesday, 2 Mar 2022 at 9:36pm

Abc radio rn
Saul Griffith talks.
Some interesting points. On possiblities of future change.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/electrify-everyth...

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vicbloke Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 11:45am

lets face it, humans are doing their best to totally fuck over the planet. have already apologised to my kids for what it is going to happen. my youngest has a very strong moral and social conscience and has asked we make changes to the way we live which we are doing but I look around and the amount of people that don't give a fuck means there is little hope. take my neighbours for example. he drives a diesel Ranger and works in an office. the wife drives a diesel Territory and doesn't work. he stands about 170cm and she is shorter and the two kids are in PS and they are tiny so why do they need the big cars?...image? wanker? Napoleon complex?

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Sprout Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 12:09pm

Why do they need the two kids?

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Supafreak Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 12:59pm

What this flood has also shown is that we need cash , not much good tapping your card or phone when there’s no service .

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Optimist Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 2:30pm

We need cash full stop…no good tapping your card or phone at all…use it or lose it.

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Cockee Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 4:51pm

Are vicbloke and viclocal related by any chance? That's one of the more irrational, hysterical posts I've ever read, even by VL's standards - maybe you (and your neighbours?) should shed all their worldly belongings and go native.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 6:13pm
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lets face it, humans are doing their best to totally fuck over the planet. have already apologised to my kids for what it is going to happen. my youngest has a very strong moral and social conscience and has asked we make changes to the way we live which we are doing but I look around and the amount of people that don't give a fuck means there is little hope. take my neighbours for example. he drives a diesel Ranger and works in an office. the wife drives a diesel Territory and doesn't work. he stands about 170cm and she is shorter and the two kids are in PS and they are tiny so why do they need the big cars?...image? wanker? Napoleon complex?

I think this attitude is really sad, yeah sure the world isn't perfect never was never will be and sure there are challenges like climate change, but its not the end of the world, not even close.

The reality is historically we live in one of the best times ever, most of human existence was spent in times where life was a true struggle, and truly cheap and life expediency short, for much of human existence 20-40 years was the average life span, even in Europe or Australia in 1870 average life expediency was only 35 years old in 1820 between 84% to 94% of the world lived in poverty, now its below 10%

Even in the last 30 years things have improved greatly for instance.

Since 1990 world poverty has reduced from 1.9 Billion to a bit over 500 million.

Since 1990 child deaths have gone from over 12 million to under 6 million.

In 1970 life expediency in Australia was 71 years its now 83 years.

And then add to that we basically won the lottery being born into a developed country and one with a good climate and a country without war and so much opportunity too.

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bonza Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 6:25pm

@supa. authors of the latest IPCC Assessment discuss here. Recorded with current flood context.
https://www.science.org.au/news-and-events/events/climate-change-impacts...

Also check out https://www.climatechange.environment.nsw.gov.au/north-coast
download the snapshot or report.
These region wide assessments are a must for anyone contemplating moving to a new area

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Supafreak Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 7:41pm

@bonza , Thanks I had a look at your links . I watched a news report on Lismore and its business owners, nearly all weren’t insured as the policies were anything from $50,000 to $100,000 per annum . They were talking about rebuilding and getting on with it . I was surprised at that and thought they seriously need to think about moving their business to higher ground. Plenty of land in the area , the whole town needs a different plan set out . I remember seeing in the house price thread that shitty old fibro houses were fetching $550,000 and needed work . Maybe the government could drop 1 submarine and build a new town that wasn’t in a flood zone .

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batfink Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 9:18pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

I think this attitude is really sad, yeah sure the world isn't perfect never was never will be and sure there are challenges like climate change, but its not the end of the world, not even close.

Close! By that do you mean 5 years or 20 years or 50 years. In geological time it's a second away, in human lifetime terms it's our kids. This is the end of the world as we know it. Climate change will kill what we know of our existence. It won't carry on regardless. That is naive to the point of delusional.

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The reality is historically we live in one of the best times ever, most of human existence was spent in times where life was a true struggle, and truly cheap and life expediency short, for much of human existence 20-40 years was the average life span.

Look, sorry that is just bollocks. 1 - totally unverified, 2 - based around averages, which are heavily dependent on early death being high, which it no longer is. For most of human history anyone who made it through their first 15 years was going to live to today's 'average' age. This is just standard misunderstanding of human history. The idea that people were living harsh and brutish lives is shown to be false by the indigenous peoples of many lands, particularly Australia.

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Even in the last 30 years things have improved greatly for instance.

Since 1990 world poverty has reduced from 1.9 Billion to a bit over 500 million.

Since 1990 child deaths have gone from over 12 million to under 6 million.

In 1970 life expediency in Australia was 71 years its now 83 years.

The vast, vast majority of those improved stats was because on one nation. Guess which Indo. Yep, that would be China. The change in Australia's life expectancy is almost entirely due to issues such as national health programs, antibiotics, improved health procedures and the fact that the generations that followed hadn't been through the horrors war-time of rationing, oh plus the fact that they hadn't fought in world wars and died at age 20.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 10:09pm

Whooshka. Way, way over the head* there, BF.

*pony mulleted, pointy, high foreheaded with a general offness round the eyeball dept.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 9:45am
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indo-dreaming wrote:

I think this attitude is really sad, yeah sure the world isn't perfect never was never will be and sure there are challenges like climate change, but its not the end of the world, not even close.

Close! By that do you mean 5 years or 20 years or 50 years. In geological time it's a second away, in human lifetime terms it's our kids. This is the end of the world as we know it. Climate change will kill what we know of our existence. It won't carry on regardless. That is naive to the point of delusional..

In geographical time humans have only been around for a split second.

Climate change will speed up rates of change but it is not the end of the world, or not even the end of human existence, humans will adapt where needed just like we do around the world where people live in extreme environments from Alaska to the Sahara and all in between humans are extremely abatable and advances in technology will help bring all kinds of solutions. (BTW. there is even books written on much of this)

Yeah sure that doesn't mean we shouldn't take climate change seriously and off course we should try to reduce emissions we want to lessen the impact, but the idea the world is so terrible and you need to apologise to your kids because they are born into one of the best times to be alive in human existence and add to that been luck to be born into a developed country.

Well sorry thats a joke.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 10:11am
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The reality is historically we live in one of the best times ever, most of human existence was spent in times where life was a true struggle, and truly cheap and life expediency short, for much of human existence 20-40 years was the average life span.

Look, sorry that is just bollocks. 1 - totally unverified, 2 - based around averages, which are heavily dependent on early death being high, which it no longer is. For most of human history anyone who made it through their first 15 years was going to live to today's 'average' age. This is just standard misunderstanding of human history. The idea that people were living harsh and brutish lives is shown to be false by the indigenous peoples of many lands, particularly Australia.

1. Okay so what time do you think would be a better time to live than todays era???? (before most of us were born)

And not just an opinion based like answer, something based on facts that can prove it would be better to live then than now.

When was a better time to live for???

-Life expediency (yes based on averages)
-Health (most of human history people died of very treatable things, even in places like Indonesia people die from TB, or things like birth complications, I've lost two friends to birth complications in remote areas)
-Ability to travel
-Comfort (being able to control your environment, be able to combat the cold or hot etc, or just general comfort, it not fun trying to sleep in a dripping bark hut today, just like it wasn't long ago)
- Access to information ability to better ones self etc

And then lets not just think about being a man, but also a women.

For women its even more attractive to be born in this era than even 100 years ago let alone a few hundred years ago, off course we are talking the average women not a Queen or something.

2. Okay to be fair you do have a point here, yes many people still did live to ages we see today, but it would depend on many factors like class, diet etc

And yes off course they are averages, but like you point out people dont die like they use to people use to die much earlier all through history because of advances in medicine and general health (dental health for example)

On your last point what garbage, its never been shown to be false, every single recorded aspect and physical aspect bones, weapons etc back this up, humans all around the world including Indigenous Australians made the best of what they had and had the luxury of not knowing any other life to compare it too, but very rarely do cultures reject luxury of today for a lifestyle of yesterday, even indigenous Australians in remote communities dont think life was better before, lets reject, money, electricity etc, it doesn't happen for a reason, because we are all human and enjoy having these things.

The really is they had shorter life's and harsher life's, especially if you were a women because generally speaking in the past cultures have been very patriarchal based especially indigenous Australian culture, we still see these cultural aspects today in places like PNG or even in Indigenous Australia culture.
(if you want to argue against this, take it to the indigenous thread, although the whole topic is a bit done to death)

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zenagain Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 11:27am

For the most part Indo, I kinda have to agree with you.

On the same token, you can almost say we've passed our peak. I don't think life is getting easier, especially for future generations.

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vicbloke Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 12:00pm

agree with a lot of what ID and batfink say. I never said it would be the end of the world and I agree it is sad. I just worry what we will leave our kids and their kids with in 20, 50 100 years time. I am no expert and dont read to much into the science and policitics of it all but I just can't get my head around it. with all the population growth and the subsequent development that comes with it i would suggest it will greatly affect how people will live their lives and i fear it will be in a big negative way. you look at the floods and these aren't 1 in 50 year episodes anymore, they are happening every 5 years. PS: Viclocal and I aren't related and I would love to go off the grid but might have to get rid of the mrs if that is to happen

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indo-dreaming Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 5:19pm

Well Vicbloke certainly isn't Viclocal way to civil, I'm glad you didn't take my criticism personally :D

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indo-dreaming Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 5:23pm
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For the most part Indo, I kinda have to agree with you.

On the same token, you can almost say we've passed our peak. I don't think life is getting easier, especially for future generations.

In what way do you think?

Maybe it's getting harder in a competitive type way, I think there is so much pressure on people these days to kinda compete in so many areas of life from schooling to work to keeping up with the jones or harder to own a house for example.

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GuySmiley Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 6:03pm

Sorry to rain on the love-in here but while life expectancy, living standards and 3rd world poverty have all improved in our lifetime at what cost to environment? Climate report after report categorically states the cost paid to date and currently being paid by environment is unsustainably way to high. Too much consumption by too many people.

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zenagain Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 6:26pm

That Indo in addition to what Guy said above.

Also, honestly, I think there has been a moral decline in society a a whole. It's a dog eat dog world now exacerbated by social media and driven by narcissism. Nobody seems to give a fuck about anybody else these days. Sure, disasters bring people together but look around you day by day, people don't even get to know their neighbours these days let alone help out a stranger.

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Cockee Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 8:19pm

What a load of frog shit. You often see people looking out for others (floods aside) and even I apologise for my blatant drop-ins these days. BTW sounds like vicb knows his neighbours a little too well.

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Constance B Gibson Saturday, 5 Mar 2022 at 12:51am

Give these ol' conservatives enough rope...or what?

Strange fruit, indeed.

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vicbloke Saturday, 5 Mar 2022 at 10:28am
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Well Vicbloke certainly isn't Viclocal way to civil, I'm glad you didn't take my criticism personally :D

All good ID. everyone has a different perspective on life. I love a good discussion regardless of what peoples opinions are. I can't complain. Born into a great family and a great country. Got three girls in my life that mean the world to me. I guess my comments are based on being a parent as I have always been a glass half full sort of person. My late mother once said to me 30 years ago that you never stop being a parent. this was after my sister got in trouble with the law in the USA. I now understand that more than ever and can't but pray that my kids and their kids will be as fortunate as me. I truly hope I am wrong with how I think things will play out.