COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Supafreak Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 9:10am

@sanGuine , unfortunately in this country we can’t use the early treatment protocol suggested by the FLCCC to stop being hospitalised in the first place . We must wait until we are very sick before receiving any treatment in hospital. Unless things have recently changed ? What outpatient treatment is currently available in Australia ? Not being a smart arse SG and I respect your position on this , from the start we have only been told to go home and isolate, wait to see how sick you get . The FLCCC and many other Doctors have treated thousands of out patients . Have you had a close look at Dr. Joseph Varon ? In Houston he received a humanitarian award for his work and they have a Dr Joseph Varon day there to celebrate his dedication and achievements.

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H2O Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 9:54am

My wife returns to face to face teaching today armed with a bottle of Zinc tablets. She is vaxed. I read her 10 page back to work protocols - nothing that public health hasn't already put out.
Anyone here suggest something in addition to this?
SG do you have a prevention regime , beyond eating well , keeping weight in check ,and your protocols at work?

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san Guine Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 2:03pm

@Supafreak,

My comment this morning came from a professional nursing perspective. My most fundamental duty is to be a patient advocate, whether I agree with the patients choices or not.

I try to keep my mind open to new developments and try not to dismiss differing opinions. But I've got to go with evidenced based practice.

...and I'm under know illusion that public healthcare in Australian is some kind of medical utopia, there are conflicts in interest, old school networks, people getting shafted, cover-ups, whatever, as with society in general.

I guess I am also influenced by my role at the very frontline of seeing these COVID patients, right on the edge...

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san Guine Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 2:17pm
H2O wrote:

My wife returns to face to face teaching today armed with a bottle of Zinc tablets. She is vaxed. I read her 10 page back to work protocols - nothing that public health hasn't already put out.
Anyone here suggest something in addition to this?
SG do you have a prevention regime , beyond eating well , keeping weight in check ,and your protocols at work?

Hey H2O,

As you said all the basics good diet, exercise (surfing), good mental health regimen (surfing), keep the kilos off.

But I reckon one of the most obvious and overlooked protective strategies is hand hygiene.

In hospital I would use hand-rub 50+ times each shift. For context, I could see up to 20 (12-15 on a 'normal' day) different patients in 8 hours, including entering COVID wards.

So you don't need to wash your hands as obsessively as me, but hand hygiene is an easy way to mitigate risk.

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H2O Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 3:50pm

Thanks SG . She forgot to take the thermometer we got to take kids temp with today. Not in school protocol - I thought they would do the kids each day as they arrived .

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tubeshooter Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 4:51pm

Looks like Byron Bay is about to be flooded with record numbers of visitors ,. Only 63.5% fully vaxxed in that area too. I can't see that helping staffing issues when the masses arrive. Could be a long wait for your latte or that daiquiri . I hope the hospitals up there are ready .
The next 4 weeks or so is going to be interesting to see what unfolds with case numbers , hospitalisations etc,especially between the vaxxed/unvaxxed in different regions.

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shortenism Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 5:08pm

Probably helps when trying to understand each other https://brandnewtube.com/watch/why-are-you-awake-when-so-many-aren-039-t...

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Supafreak Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 6:00pm

@san Guine , thanks for replying and again I totally respect your position on this . What I find confusing is that not all health agencies agree. For example the FDA and TGA and WHO don’t recommend ivermectin and the NIH has a neutral stance on it , neither for or against . Then remdesivir is recommended by the FDA and TGA but the WHO does not recommend it , India dropped it also . There’s plenty of trials saying it’s not really that effective. Australia seems to be the only country where fines and threats of license to practice medicine can be revoked if not following the treatment of covid as set out by the TGA . Doctor patient relationship no longer exists with covid treatment and treatment is decided by the TGA . Other countries like Japan , doctors can freely prescribe ivermectin for outpatients and they appear to be doing pretty good now compared to earlier this year. The Australian government having total control over our health is a bit concerning in my opinion. Professor Petrovsky offering an alternative vaccine is something that Australia really needs as it could possibly be the best vaccine yet . I don’t like Professor Borody’s chances of getting his triple therapy approved , it would be politcal suicide for all involved regardless how effective it may be .

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Vic Local Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 7:57pm

Oh look, another batshit crazy LNP Senator threatening to blow up his truly shitful government because they just aren't cooked enough.
What a rabble.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/01/liberal-senator-g...

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truebluebasher Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 9:23pm

swellnet CHO san Guine ...Expert advice to H2O...Oldie but a goodie! Perfect Answer!
tbb's son is currently studying as Maths / Physics Teacher.

2020 Rollout Plan > Schools weren't meant to vax...2022 return was considered earliest.
22nd Oct Qld has 18 Schools Rolling out Vax...not unusual! tbb took the kids for earlier Jabs.
Usually by school nurse in School Library...pretty sure these are Pharmacy run School Vax!

Rollout Data reflects the obvious...Vaxed parents spread Covid to Kids...can no longer hide it!
Detailed Report below reveals the high level Family spread of Covid...
Kids infection soars with Mass Vax Rollout % > US 16.5% > OZ 26.7% > UK 44.2%

Live Vax provides longest Immunity (vs) sub unit short dose intervals reduces immunity > (Sell more!)
BMI =Vax efficacy was oddly the same across all adult weight index...Youth doses by Half / thirds

Lifestyle reduced Efficacy = 1 Chronic Illness 2 Insomnia 3 Starvation 4 Alcoholism 5 Drug Addiction
Anxiety / Stress / Depressed delays Vax efficacy and likewise the fatigue reduces efficacy >

Phase 1 > Aged / Ethnic Nightshift / Frontline = #1 Insomniacs have least melatonin > Least efficacy
Full Sleep > 1 week pre & post Vax is recommended for promoting longest term immunity
(Vax night Full Sleep = #1 Immunity) deduct = 4% 7hrs > 26% 6hrs > 11x /4hrs @ 6 months Boosters.
7.5 -9 hrs "Night" Sleep Vax duration, relates to prolonging efficacy for all Vaccines...
Infants also produce poor Vax immunity...possible immature Lymphs as to seniors clogged up Lymphs.

Approved Clinicians advice...
Diet - UC Health : https://www.uchealth.com/en/media-room/covid-19/boost-immunity-with-food
Supplements - NIH Covid A-Z List details Efficacy + Safety.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/COVID19-HealthProfessional/

o/s Holiday infections nest in Cold lipids to warm inviting interiors via cross flow crowded engagement.
28th Jun 2021 Hot 100 : https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/489404?page=68

Check with Cleaners List > Shared Desk items / Copiers / Board dusters / Window levers / switches
Similar shared Hot Spots = 15% Door Handles / Hand rails > 25% Bins
Next list involves School excursions where legals and responsibility will clash more than ever.
Who got infected and where...surrounding kids...will land in Teacher's Laps...get that sorted up front!

Schools eg: 5% Libraries / Bus > 10% Uni / Staff Wing > 20% Auditorium > 25% School / Teams
30% Pre School > 35% Charter Bus > 45% Indoor Sports > 55% Wrestling / Boxing > 75% Conference 85% Basketball / Sports Camp > 95% School Choir 100% Squash Court or shared Busy Closet Space

Schools have shared 'Exempt' Religious Volunteer spaces > Chaplain / Book reading / Costumes....
eg: One Plate of infected Fairy bread can take out a Whole Class? > Scones in Age Care...Tick! Happens!
Again! Teacher must be on top of outside Covid source > "Free / Craft / Food Days!"

Continuous long care indoor setting = Pfizer is 6-10% less infectious than AZ

Vaxed vs Unvaxed (Findings of recent Daily Household Testing)
This may surprise a few but it is a detailed review...

Proportion of infections is similar regardless of Vax / No vax.
Peak Viral Load does not differ (Vax vs Unvaxed)
No evidence of lower(lesser) infections from Fully Vaxed Delta to unvaxed infections.

tbb cued extra from other similar reports to back findings...
Rollout ramp dictates the VOC speed & strength > Driving the Vaxed / Unvaxed infection rate.
Infected Vaxerz immunity sneezes out faster viral loads (vs) Unvaxed soak up slower infections.
Mass Vaxerz (untested) VOC speeds up earliest pre symptom Peak infectious period.
Unvaxed infecting Vaxed rate = 23% (vs) Vaxer infecting Vaxed rate = 25% ( Vax = More + faster)
Note: This indoor review would replicate in schools & similar is said of such!
Meaning! Don't expect schools to be any less infectious after vaxing...possibly be more infectious!
Again! Most will find it difficult to accept such after a mass undertaking ... but we may have to?
Plenty say we crossed the point of no return with Kids Vax...may add years onto Herd Covid immunity!

Now consider that World Govts prioritize this Mass group spreading of #1 infectious population?
Govts orchestrated Phased incubating Spread > VOC Mass Spikes > Mass wane spikes > on it goes...
tbb has referred to Phase factor in increased UK Vaxed deaths...(Grouping of aging male Diabetics..etc)
Undertakers no longer need to measure up > Next week 50-60's Special (45% Pink 55% Blue) Sorted!
UK Rollout orchestrates mass infections & death timetable...(No virus can ever be so predictable!)

Viral load increases by age 10yrs 0.03/mL > 50 yrs 0.79/mL ( Rollout -Waning > elevates Viral Loads)
Rollout groups more infectious Phases > more infectious vaxer'z spike covid thru population.

Findings:
Vax is not sufficient enough to prevent Delta in settings of prolonged exposure. (re: Indoors)
Suggest ongoing Kids Vax > Boosters > Masks > Nothing Changes > More of the same...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

Avoiding peak Incubation / VOC / waning in Vax Rollout Timetable can best lower yer risk of infection...
Not sure if Teachers can SD near highest risk students of Vaxed Nightshift Parents.

Efficacy
Rollout > SD Vaxerz during *more infectious incubating periods > Default (Unvaxed = 21.39 /1,000)
Pfizer = *1wk 26.24 > *2wk 38.60 > *3wk 26.67 > 4wk 11.80
AZ = 1wk 19.79 > 2wk 19.08 > *3wk 25.10 > 4wk 16.32

Rollout Phases Waning Expiry Timetable = (No Vax Status) as reported in studies.
Rollout groups highly infectious mass wane events by Phases Xmas Boomerz > Easter Teen Gigs
Wane's World is highly infectious > Vaxerz have better protection at the Unvaxed Man Power Gig!

Note: Vax Guidelines Only ..*Mandated
4 wk = Immuno suppressed Expiry...(Boosters)
2 mths = 'At risk!' US Expiry...(Boosters)
10 wks = AZ / Pfizer Expiry > Close contact Indoor Family Setting...(Masks are recommended!)
3 mths = AZ (2nd Dose) > [ Vax Pass Expiry ] > 6 months after 2nd dose (Stretch Doses Wane)
4 mths = Frontline ICU Mask / Gloves Setting
5 mths = Pfizer > [ Vax Pass ] US expiry by 3rd Party / Science evaluation
6 mths = Pfizer > [ Vax Pass ] *Israel Expiry + Booster Doses > (6mth) expiry by Govt.

Future - Oz has ordered 150m Boosters enough for 25m x 6 / 6mth doses!
There is no guarantee that each dose wanes the same...or if they ramp more break thrus.
2020 Oz had 2 Vax Trials > 2021 Oz has 20 Vax trials & a few Oz Vaxes look like coming on in 2022.
Wondering if 2023 Covid Vax comes in a Woolies Homebrand blister pack...that's still good, right!

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dawnperiscope Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 9:37pm

LNP may be a rabble and he may be crazy, but i'm glad to read he's giving air to 2 issues which need to be addressed.
- He also says children should be excluded from any mandates
- He also suggests that people who have had an adverse event for a first dose have been unable to refuse a second dose, calling the scenario “completely inhumane”.

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Supafreak Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 9:45pm
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shortenism Monday, 1 Nov 2021 at 10:55pm

Hes got common sense and balls. Something lacking significantly in our political system. Good on Senator G. More need to stand up.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 2:05am

dawnperiscope raises a fair point...Happy to share the Lib's Human Touch.
Note tbb has also written to Fed / Vic / NSW pollies of any party...for a few good years or more.
tbb wrote in support of 1 Vic Lib MP c/o 3 as all had their hands tied in an even more unfair fight.

Crew get the Royal Treatment of tbb's personal reply in full...(From the heart > No Misinformation!)

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Dear truebluebasher,
"Thank You for your recent email regarding the motion in Parliament last week on mandatory Vaccinations!
I have noted your comments and appreciate your feedback. I have been overwhelmed with the number of people contacting me to share their very real concerns about this issue.
Note that I will continue to contribute to Parliament remotely and to raise matters of concern to said residents, as is the option for all MP's currently.
My office remains open to assist constituents in the usual way. I will be available to meet with constituents for appointments either remotely or (off site).
Once again, I wish you well as we continue to experience very difficult times...

Regards, said State Member/s!"

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Unvaxed Vic MP's were not only kicked outta Parliament but visitors are banned from Offices as well.
They can't use Office for meeting constituents face to face...they must do so in private with no resources!
(Wow! That is some mean arse low down cheap politicization of Pandemic!)
Never thought Vic ALP Leader would ever dictate more bad arse than our Qld Joh!
Once Dan releases the Hostages > Qld will surrender our {Police State Badge} + Bert's Goldie Logies!

tbb attended Rabbit's not so cheap ALP Launch...
Since then have written a few emails to Qld ALP / Health...still waiting for any reply at all!
Crew can track tbb's (name) as legit Goldie ALP Backer ...No reply? (Fuck the ALP Snobs!)

So now write to who knows who from far off distant Lib Party & soon az ... get treated as Royalty?
Dan blew it! Vic MP's aren't bitter about Vax Mandate...as they're overwhelmed by support.
tbb has pointed to the rise of Minor Parties robbing ALP of Unlosable Unlosable Unlosable Election.

Pre Rollout Dan held firm & crew can read that tbb had his back when he put his back to the wheel.
Now Dan tosses coins into the Vax Fountain & thinks he can surf his Vax Wave to Victory!
I'm Vaxed / Your Vaxed! How about you Vote for Me & ALP!

tbb still supports Stately ALP leaders but Vic Labor need to stand up to Oz #1 Bully.
Being honest here! tbb never knew the names of any Vic MPs nor Vic Lib leader! Seriously!
Only know that the very day that Vic ALP lose their grip on that Holy Grail they lose big time.

Salute Lib MP's for sharing Vic Good News vibe with a some random struggling Qld ALP hack!
Qld ALP reject returns best wishes to Lib Victorians! [email protected]&!X#//we'realllockedintogether\\X#@*%x

PS: Vic Leader' (4 months Poll) Dan's Mandate 49 > 50 > 45 vs some overwhelmed Lib 23 > 24 > 32
Dan drops 14% efficacy > Another 4 months of Vax wane & Dan will need his Booster Shot!

Message from Qld to #1 Vax scaredy cat Dan...return Vic's Vax Stats! Now! You big Bully!
*Daily [Covid Live] Vaxed Hospital / ICU stats
*Vic Health Daily Full Vax / 1 dose / Unvaxed Cases / Hospitals / ICU Stats
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/media-hub-coronavirus-disease-covid-19

#1 Censor of Truth, Voice & Opposition = [ Smash Joh's Police State ]
Does Vic really wanna go there! [ Joh for PM ]
https://www.nla.gov.au/sites/default/files/blogs/joh_for_pm_0.jpg

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shortenism Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 1:21pm

5 most recent COVID deaths in NSW all either single or double dose vaccinated.. But let me guess it would have been worse if unvaccinated..

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Craig Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 1:25pm

Shorty, nearly 95% of NSW population is vaccinated, so you're now going to see these people representing most of the stats.

And yep you answered it. I'm not going to go around in circles again.

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shortenism Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 2:19pm

But are they really vaccinated Craig?

Really, you think I've answered it? It would have been worse for them if they were 'unvaccinated'?

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Blowin Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 2:53pm

April 2021-Vaccinate yourself to prevent infection and illness. And stop saying it’s only the aged and those with comorbidities who die!

November 2021 - Of course there’s vaccinated people dying WITH Covid! But it’s only the aged and those with comorbidities dying!

Vaccines =

Man 1 “ Hey fella- Want to buy a Tiger repellant?
Man 2 “ But there’s no tigers around here.”
Man 1 “See- It’s working already!”

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Craig Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 3:18pm

Want to explain the drop in cases and hospitalisations across Greater Sydney if the vaccines are as you say 'snake oil'?

Here's a great article worth reading, going through Israel and Denmark examples.

Israel with its vaccinations rates saw a rapid 50% adoption but then slowed (plateaued) after that, hence when Delta hit there were still lots of hospitalisations (though less than previous waves).

Denmark saw Delta hit when 25% were vaccinated but these rates quickly reached 50% and then 75%, keeping a big cap on deaths and hospitalisations.

Here's the data..

Israel:

Denmark:

And vax rates over time..

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/10/14/why-sydney-covid-...

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shortenism Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 4:45pm

Not sure about the snake oil bit but my point is these vaccines by design do not actually impart immunity or inhibit transmissibility of the disease. and therefore don't even meet the definition of a vaccine...

They are not designed to keep you from getting sick with SARS-CoV-2, they only are supposed to lessen your infection symptoms if or when you do get infected.. So very bizarre that the Govt are even trying to suggest we need to get 'cases' down with vaccination as it clearly wont be the case. An unattainable goal of perpetual lockdowns and booster shots.

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blindboy Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 4:49pm

Clean sweep there. Wrong on every point. Care to run us through your deep understanding of vaccines and the human immune system?

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shortenism Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 4:53pm

Uttar Pradesh, India with a population of ~240M and only ~5% vaccinated have just announced they are a COVID free zone.. Large scale use of Ivermectin...

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shortenism Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 4:55pm

No, but open to you proving me wrong blindboy.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 2 Nov 2021 at 5:13pm

Good insight...
Since Vax both here and worldwide, more younger people are infected & dying from Covid!
More faster Covid, more Infections from more Younger Covid cases & more Covid deaths..
It seems our Experts are now immune to Mass Vax side effects of Mass scale suffering & death!
We gotta Vax to save who exactly?
Vax killing Machine has been turned on again ...stand back!
Last Month > World Vax falling > World Cases Falling > World Covid Deaths falling...keep going......
This Month > World Vax rising > World Cases rising > World Covid Deaths rising...Please make it stop!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Oz Vax % Trix / Medical + 44 Trade Exemptions are locked in as Vaxed...
Oz wide at peak = 2.5m exemptions...
Our Clinic runs Visas all day & now has own Counters / Suites & (Running Full Tilt)
tbb escorts them up stairs to counters ...packed all day long & all seating / suites are chocka...
Run 4/hr on a quiet day...now double that easy...never seen one, anywhere near Covid Vax booth.

All crossing interstate as free as a bird...30% have no ID in Hospitals! (Media won't touch it!)
Fruit & Veg picked > trucked > Door Entry > Cook'n'clean > Plates Licked by "No Vax Missionaries"
TV Land > Dan licks bowl of [PLS] unvaxed Strawberries & steers us to Centre court Vax Ball Girls!
All here know that you can't mark a slave as then it's a pet for life! [PLS] + Filipinos Q / Vax Exempt!
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/employing-and-sponsoring-someone/s...

Recap...in case yer think that our Holy World Vax Killing machine is outta whack!

see: Vixvaxtrix : "First ours & now all your BT Vax Data has vanished...wanna make somethin' of it!"

recent - Vax Peak 100,000 Vax doses/day > 80,000 Tests/day > 2,000 Cases/day
now - Vax Cure 25,000 Vax doses/day > 45,000 Tests/day > 950 Cases/day

Only fair that we check that yet again...could be a trick or some kinda Misinformation Glitch!

NSWVaxtrix : "All of our BT Vax'n'No Vax data got mashed together somehow! Shit happens!"

recent - Vax Peak 160,000 doses/day > 260,000 Tests/day > 1,600 cases/day
now - Vax Cure 35,000 doses/day > 120,000 Tests/day > 150 cases/day

TV Land : "See! That proves that the Vax is Working?"
Australia : "Sure does! Like every other Nation > Chuck the Vax in the bin to cure Covid."
Even if we could wind back the Rollout to Zero Covid day one! Then Vaxerz would lose privileges!

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Roadkill Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 7:54am
truebluebasher wrote:

Good insight...
Since Vax both here and worldwide, more younger people are infected & dying from Covid!
More faster Covid, more Infections from more Younger Covid cases & more Covid deaths..
It seems our Experts are now immune to Mass Vax side effects of Mass scale suffering & death!
We gotta Vax to save who exactly?
Vax killing Machine has been turned on again ...stand back!
Last Month > World Vax falling > World Cases Falling > World Covid Deaths falling...keep going......
This Month > World Vax rising > World Cases rising > World Covid Deaths rising...Please make it stop!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Oz Vax % Trix / Medical + 44 Trade Exemptions are locked in as Vaxed...
Oz wide at peak = 2.5m exemptions...
Our Clinic runs Visas all day & now has own Counters / Suites & (Running Full Tilt)
tbb escorts them up stairs to counters ...packed all day long & all seating / suites are chocka...
Run 4/hr on a quiet day...now double that easy...never seen one, anywhere near Covid Vax booth.

All crossing interstate as free as a bird...30% have no ID in Hospitals! (Media won't touch it!)
Fruit & Veg picked > trucked > Door Entry > Cook'n'clean > Plates Licked by "No Vax Missionaries"
TV Land > Dan licks bowl of [PLS] unvaxed Strawberries & steers us to Centre court Vax Ball Girls!
All here know that you can't mark a slave as then it's a pet for life! [PLS] + Filipinos Q / Vax Exempt!
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/employing-and-sponsoring-someone/s...

Recap...in case yer think that our Holy World Vax Killing machine is outta whack!

see: Vixvaxtrix : "First ours & now all your BT Vax Data has vanished...wanna make somethin' of it!"

recent - Vax Peak 100,000 Vax doses/day > 80,000 Tests/day > 2,000 Cases/day
now - Vax Cure 25,000 Vax doses/day > 45,000 Tests/day > 950 Cases/day

Only fair that we check that yet again...could be a trick or some kinda Misinformation Glitch!

NSWVaxtrix : "All of our BT Vax'n'No Vax data got mashed together somehow! Shit happens!"

recent - Vax Peak 160,000 doses/day > 260,000 Tests/day > 1,600 cases/day
now - Vax Cure 35,000 doses/day > 120,000 Tests/day > 150 cases/day

TV Land : "See! That proves that the Vax is Working?"
Australia : "Sure does! Like every other Nation > Chuck the Vax in the bin to cure Covid."
Even if we could wind back the Rollout to Zero Covid day one! Then Vaxerz would lose privileges!

Anyone able to translate this?

Oz Vax % Trix / Medical + 44 Trade Exemptions are locked in as Vaxed...
Oz wide at peak = 2.5m exemptions...
Our Clinic runs Visas all day & now has own Counters / Suites & (Running Full Tilt)
tbb escorts them up stairs to counters ...packed all day long & all seating / suites are chocka...
Run 4/hr on a quiet day...now double that easy...never seen one, anywhere near Covid Vax booth.

WTF does this actually mean? I read it quite a few times and still have NFI what it means.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 9:11am

Not sure if this is nonsense or not . https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

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tylerdurden Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 10:55am

I wonder what the fraud busters will have to say about that article Supa

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Supafreak Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 11:06am
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I wonder what the fraud busters will have to say about that article Supa

Yes it’s a bit worrisome considering it’s the BMJ reporting on it . Some of the FDA panel also saying that they won’t really know the results on 5 to 11 year olds until they do mass vaccination is hard to understand.

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blindboy Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 11:09am

If the claims are correct it is a good argument for better oversight by regulators. Not sure how the FDA fared under Trump but most government regulatory agencies were gutted.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 12:34pm

@blindboy , blaming Trump is a bit lame . The FDA lost its way 40 years ago when it switched from being funded by the taxpayer to relying on big pharma for financing. Our own TGA costs 165 million a year to run and its not federally funded , its the sponsors who pay .

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blindboy Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 12:46pm

Probably supa, but the fundamental problem remains. My reading of this link is that there is minimal supervision of the labs they depend on to carry out the trials. They just act on the data they are given. Any serious attempt at regulation would include regular inspections and the requirement that all data be provided. I will see what links there are, if any, between the labs and the drug companies.

https://www.drugwatch.com/fda/

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wingnut2443 Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 2:33pm

Worth a watch crew:

Interesting to note the statistics being discussed re fatalities, infections and hospitalisations.

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blindboy Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 4:52pm

Same old shit. Distort the data. This place is great for stuying agnotology!

The first part of the discussion is deliberately misleading.

"Jay Bhattacharya: Right. So H1N1 goes from a 5% mortality, 4% mortality, which is what the World Health Organization was saying at the time to a 0.01% mortality on that order, disease.

Peter Robinson: Once studies had been done to see the actual number of people who'd been infected.

Jay Bhattacharya: Correct."

The point they, presumably deliberately, ignore is that the death rate was also significantly under reported.

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(12)70152-4.pdf

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Supafreak Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 5:10pm

@wingnut , thanks for sharing that video. I watched the whole thing and it raised some very good questions . I personally believe Fauci has done more harm than he realises with his Nobel lies and flip flopping plus the obvious lies around GOF . A lot of Americans simply don’t trust him or their health agencies. The point the Dr made at the end around Fauci focus on the effect of the disease only and not the effect on the public as a whole from lockdowns was very good . Plenty will disagree, history will be the judge.

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Vic Local Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 5:19pm

Yes Yes super freak, Fauci was harmful while the lunatic republicans waging the "get Fauci" campaign to protect Trump are right. Trump basically ignored Fauci's advice, making the USA to the worst performing nation re Covid. The orange nutter should be in prison.
Fair dinkum mate, your commentary on Covid is that cooked it's beyond embarrassing.

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wingnut2443 Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 5:29pm
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Same old shit. Distort the data. This place is great for stuying agnotology!

The first part of the discussion is deliberately misleading.

"Jay Bhattacharya: Right. So H1N1 goes from a 5% mortality, 4% mortality, which is what the World Health Organization was saying at the time to a 0.01% mortality on that order, disease.

Peter Robinson: Once studies had been done to see the actual number of people who'd been infected.

Jay Bhattacharya: Correct."

The point they, presumably deliberately, ignore is that the death rate was also significantly under reported.

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(12)70152-4.pdf

BB, did you watch it all?

I can't and don't speak for them, but, it seemed to me the H1N1 was an example of how WHO overstated the death rate, impact of it (once antibody sampling of population vs known cases was assessed)...

Obviously as the lead in to what they've found with covid (again from antibody testing)...

but, my reason for sharing was more duevto the discussion around the alternate strategy/ tactics for dealing with covid that had been complied by the experts and ignored by the health officials.

As we've found here in Australia, it seems the "health advice" is selectively chosen when 'policy' and laws (aka public health orders) have been established. And, as we've seen, the goal posts keep getting moved or information twisted.

The growing civil discontent / unrest, effects of mandatory vaccination, restrictions, loss of rights, and society divide are looking like a far worse outcome to our way of life than the actual virus health impacts.

I'm not optimistic for our younger generations. Fuck, I'm flat out pessimistic and anxious about the future and my life here and now.

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wingnut2443 Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 5:36pm
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@wingnut , thanks for sharing that video. I watched the whole thing and it raised some very good questions . I personally believe Fauci has done more harm than he realises with his Nobel lies and flip flopping plus the obvious lies around GOF . A lot of Americans simply don’t trust him or their health agencies. The point the Dr made at the end around Fauci focus on the effect of the disease only and not the effect on the public as a whole from lockdowns was very good . Plenty will disagree, history will be the judge.

I feel the societal rights, loss of workplace rights, social divide and flow on effects from restrictions will be unsustainable. I don't see a positive future due to the policy decisions and management of the covid situation.

I hope I'm wrong. But, data from overseas points to a fucked up Australia, health system in trouble and generations of ongoing health issues.

I'm not sure the majority of the population realise what's actually going on, what manipulation has / is taking place and what misinformation they've been given by the govt, and media.

I really don't know if there is any point in looking to the future.

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blindboy Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 5:37pm

Sorry wingnut, but my experience with these sort of videos is that if they start off with bullshit, then you can be pretty sure that the rest will follow the same standard. If you look around the world you can probably find examples of any forms of managing the disease you are interested in. Every example I have seen of "alternate" management strategies shows, once you get past the headline claims, that they are inferior and result in some combination of greater infection rates, greater disease incidence and higher mortality. I am always happy to look at what you have in terms of published papers, but spare me youtube videos!

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Supafreak Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 5:55pm

Yes spare us you tube videos , particularly the ones featuring fauci .

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blindboy Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 6:00pm

...by all means.

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zenagain Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 6:03pm

”Trump basically ignored Fauci's advice, making the USA to the worst performing nation re Covid. ”

Really Vic? The 'worst'?

Would you stake your reputation on that statement or care to revise it a little? You don't want anyone calling you a liar after all.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 6:26pm
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”Trump basically ignored Fauci's advice, making the USA to the worst performing nation re Covid. ”

Really Vic? The 'worst'?

Would you stake your reputation on that statement or care to revise it a little? You don't want anyone calling you a liar after all.

This is one of the rare cases, where he makes a big statement that might technically hold some truth.

USA does have the highest number of deaths according to here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

But you have to be pretty skeptical on things on one hand you have USA where testing and recording would be pretty good, on the flipside you have places like India, Brazil and Indonesia where its the opposite and without a doubt numbers would be much much higher than recorded.

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JQ Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 6:31pm

Very true Indo, how ever you have to balance that against the capacity to act. Realistically, the US has a vastly greater capacity to act than say Indonesia.

While it would be damn near impossible to definitively prove, I'd be pretty comfortable to say that on the balance of capacity to act and actions taken, the US was the worst performer - although that is by no means entirely down to the government, Trump or Biden.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 9:24pm

Gates / German mRNA CureVac failed poorly to address variant immunity. (mRNA is no Silver Bullet!)
Pfizer / Moderna added Methylpseudouridine (Synthetic necleoside) to 'boost' antibodies
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339485154_N_1-Methylpseudouridi...

This however shortened the Vax shelf life > needing PEG Lipids > Freezing
This synthetic induced kicker ramps our natural immunity responses x2 (Roughly)
Enough to keep out most of those early Variants.
In most healthy folk it's not a big deal as a Healthy body can cope up to 4x immunity ramps.

28th Oct 2021 - UK Govt Pfizer review surprisingly denies Vax to Pregnant & Lactating Mums?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer...
Even more odd is the revelation of Pfizer Rats with increased size Spleens...male 147% female 162%.
So! Why this backdown after so long & Wotz with the Lab Ratz with Giant Organs & are the two linked?

This Doubling effect continues...Pfizer Boob Job? Chix go up 2 bra sizes with Pfizer Vax...WTF.
Bra sales up 32% by March > 200% year on year to date
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/am-i-just-hallucinating-women-reporting-u...

Exactly! We're talking about 2x size Lymph nodes > 2x size Spleens ( For Everyone?) We'll soon see...
Basically Pfizer are ramping our bodies to provide superhuman defence.
But, they have Zero control over the process as each of us are Monsters or Angels.

Mass Vax booked out GPs for advice & dumped Outpatients then dumped Elective surgeries...
Vax Blood Clot fears gave Heart Clinic teams never ending heart attacks & next to no sleep.
Vax Lymphs are increasing Cancer Units response 4x & delaying Treatment by 6 months more...
Unexplained abdomen Pains with the GPs likewise...
Great that mRNA Vax ICU is down > but forget about all the other High End Frontline Health burdens.

Lymphadenopathy can be attributed to medicines but Radiographers have seen nothing like this impost.
We're talking about larger lymph nodes for longer with unprecedented future...this needs attention!
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/persistent-enlarged-lymph-nodes-months-af...
Earlier mRNA Lymph Study...shows about 10% are affected at extreme Level but many more at risk.
21/232 onset of 1.7wks ( Range 2.9 -6.6 wks ) ...Now continues to many months (re: Long Covid)
4 Nodes (81%) > 10 Nodes ( 28%)
(Size limit - 1cm is High End = Cancer etc) Vaxerz ( 7mm >1.4cm) Explains the poor readings!
Men 3.4% Women 12.5% (Pfizer 7.4% > Moderna 21%) + 11% First Dose > 16% 2nd dose
https://www.cancertherapyadvisor.com/home/cancer-topics/lung-cancer/mode...

Lymphs drain into Celiac (Solar) Plexus > Vegus Nerve > (The Spleen)
Gov UK report of Rat Autopsy revealed Male 142% > Female 164% heavier Spleens.
We know that Govts forbid Vaxed Autopsies...(Larger stressed Spleens now shape as the likely reason).

Note Covid increases Lymphs & Spleen Volume + Covid infected are prone to extra Vax Lymph swelling!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8080509/

Lymphadenopathy (Enlarged Lymphs) commonly associate with Splenomegaly (Enlarged Spleen)
Standard Spleen 200gm...supposing Vax = 2x Lymphs (14mm) = 2x Spleen 400gm for 6 mths...?
Again! Don't freak out as Humans can survive with 2kg Spleen or even No Spleen, but it takes it's toll.

Important! Spleen is responsible for filtering Blood Cells to boost immunity.
Spleen Red Pulp filters Red Blood & Platelets (Margin) Spleen White Pulp filters Antibodies

Q : Do larger Lymphs & Larger Spleen provide more Immunity?
A : Paid Experts : "Larger Lymphs show Vax is boosting your Immunity, no need to worry!!"

Real Answer
"Allow 2 weeks for incubation as inflamed Lymphs invite infection!"
" Prolonged Inflamed Lymphs balloon Spleen to double size!"
"Big Spleen = Less White/Red cells/Platelets increases infection thrombocytopenia, amenia & bleeding!"

Short term incubating enlarged Vaxed lymphs are less an issue, but prolonged > reduces immunity!
As doctors say...this is ramped by Covid Vaccines & is escalating as a frontline Global health concern.
Vax is robbing Natural immunity & leaving 10% Vaxerz more infectious to Covid for now 6 months!
Not very sciency & not good health policy! When will Experts take this Pandemic seriously.
Stop hiding & lying > then help these poor vaxer folk & sort out their Hot mess!

Any Cure! UK are advising against Vax for Mums (New Mums already having Larger Lymphs!)
Note expecting Mums don't need to scale up to 2x breasts...(Ouch!) reckon they might blow up also!
Still the Experts dictate they must...

As with a virus, the Vax wane or detox 'should' return Lymphs & Spleen back to former healthy sizes.
This in turn will restore your Natural Immunity, long enough for Booster to blow out yer Lymphs again!

Consider that inflamed Lymphs are from secondary Covid Infection to Vax or mostly the 2nd Dose!
Then Boosters may very well present as default secondary type Lymph reaction for many more again.
Experts are best at hiding stuff from vaxerz...don't think we'll see Vax ballooning boobies on the Telly!

mRNA onwards are working on HIV but in this case honing in on advanced virus immunity targets.
Same again for Chagas disease, 1 single Flu Shot, Malaria & Rotovirus.
Also a 2nd Gen Covid Vax to cover new variants.
Researchers caution that mRNA is no miracle, as diseases & immunity are notoriously confounding!
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02913-9

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wingnut2443 Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 6:17am
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Sorry wingnut, but my experience with these sort of videos is that if they start off with bullshit, then you can be pretty sure that the rest will follow the same standard. If you look around the world you can probably find examples of any forms of managing the disease you are interested in. Every example I have seen of "alternate" management strategies shows, once you get past the headline claims, that they are inferior and result in some combination of greater infection rates, greater disease incidence and higher mortality. I am always happy to look at what you have in terms of published papers, but spare me youtube videos!

That's a shame you're closing your mind to other information.

Hell knows 'peer reviewed' papers are dubious too.

"A systematic review of all the available evidence on peer review concluded that `the practice of peer review is based on faith in its effects, rather than on facts'."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/

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Supafreak Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 7:24am

@wingnut here’s another opinion article by same doctor as your video . https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion-1643839 If things go wrong with Pfizer in the future we can always blame trump for putting pressure on the FDA and hiring Fauci as his CMO . Blaming trump or maybe the Russians is always an option . https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-business-mark-meadows-coronaviru...

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 8:55am

SG - I read this and was amazed . Can you guess why ?

Authored by Michael Snyder via TheMostImportantNews.com,

In a year that has been filled with so many mysteries already, I have another very odd one to share with you. Emergency rooms are filled to overflowing all over America, and nobody can seem to explain why this is happening. Right now, the number of new COVID cases in the United States each day is less than half of what it was just a couple of months ago. That is really good news, and many believe that this is a sign that the pandemic is fading. Let us hope that is true. With less people catching the virus, you would think that would mean that our emergency rooms should be emptying out, but the opposite is actually happening. All across the country, emergency rooms are absolutely packed, and in many cases we are seeing seriously ill patients being cared for in the hallways because all of the ER rooms are already full.

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. The following comes from an article entitled “ERs Are Swamped With Seriously Ill Patients, Although Many Don’t Have Covid”…

Inside the emergency department at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan, staff members are struggling to care for patients showing up much sicker than they’ve ever seen.

Tiffani Dusang, the ER’s nursing director, practically vibrates with pent-up anxiety, looking at patients lying on a long line of stretchers pushed up against the beige walls of the hospital hallways. “It’s hard to watch,” she said in a warm Texas twang.

But there’s nothing she can do. The ER’s 72 rooms are already filled.

Can anyone explain why this is happening?

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san Guine Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 9:16am
Hutchy 19 wrote:

SG - I read this and was amazed . Can you guess why ?

Authored by Michael Snyder via TheMostImportantNews.com,

In a year that has been filled with so many mysteries already, I have another very odd one to share with you. Emergency rooms are filled to overflowing all over America, and nobody can seem to explain why this is happening. Right now, the number of new COVID cases in the United States each day is less than half of what it was just a couple of months ago. That is really good news, and many believe that this is a sign that the pandemic is fading. Let us hope that is true. With less people catching the virus, you would think that would mean that our emergency rooms should be emptying out, but the opposite is actually happening. All across the country, emergency rooms are absolutely packed, and in many cases we are seeing seriously ill patients being cared for in the hallways because all of the ER rooms are already full.

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. The following comes from an article entitled “ERs Are Swamped With Seriously Ill Patients, Although Many Don’t Have Covid”…

Inside the emergency department at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan, staff members are struggling to care for patients showing up much sicker than they’ve ever seen.

Tiffani Dusang, the ER’s nursing director, practically vibrates with pent-up anxiety, looking at patients lying on a long line of stretchers pushed up against the beige walls of the hospital hallways. “It’s hard to watch,” she said in a warm Texas twang.

But there’s nothing she can do. The ER’s 72 rooms are already filled.

Can anyone explain why this is happening?

Read the article Hutch, and this is the attribution at the end:

"About the Author: My name is Michael Snyder and my brand new book entitled “7 Year Apocalypse” is now available on Amazon.com. In addition to my new book I have written five others that are available on Amazon.com including “Lost Prophecies Of The Future Of America”, “The Beginning Of The End”, “Get Prepared Now”, and “Living A Life That Really Matters”. (#CommissionsEarned) By purchasing the books you help to support the work that my wife and I are doing, and by giving it to others you help to multiply the impact that we are having on people all over the globe. I have published thousands of articles on The Economic Collapse Blog, End Of The American Dream and The Most Important News, and the articles that I publish on those sites are republished on dozens of other prominent websites all over the globe. I always freely and happily allow others to republish my articles on their own websites, but I also ask that they include this “About the Author” section with each article. The material contained in this article is for general information purposes only, and readers should consult licensed professionals before making any legal, business, financial or health decisions. I encourage you to follow me on social media on Facebook and Twitter, and any way that you can share these articles with others is a great help. During these very challenging times, people will need hope more than ever before, and it is our goal to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with as many people as we possibly can."

I don't know why ER's in the US are full ( Is there any evidence apart from the authors cherry picked examples?) Is the author a catastrophist? Prepper? An eschatologist?

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blindboy Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 9:32am

wingnut no-one claims that peer review is perfect. Science is a competitive business though so credible journals are pretty careful what they publish and quick to make retractions when flaws are found in a paper. The process of review continues after publication as scientists working in the area, who were not on the review panel, get a chance to have their say. At some point, in considering any issue, you have to make a judgement about the quality of the evidence and, in most cases, that is going to come down in favour of material published in reputable journals. That is not having a closed mind. Open minds are all very well but if that includes treating all sources of information as equally valid or, even worse, viewing the evidence through a lens of ideology or conspiracy theory, then you risk deluding your self.

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 10:42am

The Vatican is NOT united on the issue of vaccines . I am not Catholic so their views don't affect me .

"Viganò asserts that vaccines normally go through years of rigorous testing, and that the lack of such a process in the case of COVID-19 jabs represents public health authorities conducting “experimentation on the entire world population.”

The Archbishop referenced drug treatments that have proven effective in fighting COVID without the risks of vaccines, noting that such drugs have been discredited by global health bodies and the media.

“It must be reiterated that there are effective treatments which cure patients and allow them to develop permanent natural immune defenses, something that the vaccines do not do,” he wrote.

“Furthermore, these treatments do not cause serious side effects, since the drugs that are used have been licensed for decades.”

“International standards specify that an experimental drug cannot be authorized for distribution except in the absence of an effective alternative treatment: this is why drug agencies in the USA and Europe have prevented the use of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, hyper-immune plasma, and other therapies with proven effectiveness,” he added.

Viganò goes on to state that the vaccines proving ineffective in preventing people from getting and passing on the virus means they can’t even be called vaccines.

“In fact a “vaccine” is defined as a medicinal preparation aimed at inducing the production of protective antibodies by the organism, conferring specific resistance against a specific infectious disease (viral, bacterial, protozoal). This definition was recently changed by the WHO, because otherwise it would not have been able to include anti-Covid drugs, which do not induce the production of protective antibodies and do not confer a specific resistance against the SarsCoV-2 infectious disease.”

The Archbishop went on to assert it was a moral “duty” to refuse inoculation given what we now know about the vaccine program.

“Worldwide, the number of deaths and grave pathologies following vaccination is increasing exponentially: in only nine months these vaccines have caused more deaths than all vaccines in the last thirty years. Not only this: in many nations – such as Israel for example – the number of deaths after vaccination is now greater than the number of deaths from Covid.”

Viganò went to to assert it would be “immoral and unacceptable” for Catholics to take the vaccine given revelations by Pfizer executives that the jabs contain material from aborted fetuses.

The Archbishop expressed his fury at other members of the clergy and Pope Francis himself for facilitating a “crime against humanity” and “satanic action against God.”

Viganò pulled no punches in outlining the wider agenda at play.

“I realize that it may be extremely unpopular to take a position against the so-called vaccines, but as Shepherds of the flock of the Lord we have the duty to denounce the horrible crime that is being carried out, whose goal is to create billions of chronically ill people and to exterminate millions and millions of people, based on the infernal ideology of the “Great Reset” formulated by the President of the World Economic Forum Klaus Schwab and endorsed by institutions and organizations around the world.”