COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

Hutchy 19 wrote:

The headline asks a question I would like to know the answer to .

Daily Mail

How did Florida end up with one of the best COVID-19 case and death rates in the US despite Gov Ron DeSantis refusing to implement mask or vaccine mandates?
During the peak of the recent COVID-19 surge in Florida, the state was recording 101 cases per 100,000 people and 1.77 new deaths per 100,000
Since mid-September, Florida has been seeing declines and is recording nine cases per 100,000 people and less than 0.2 deaths per 100,000
The declines are despite Governor Ron DeSantis insisting the state would not shut down and refusing to implement mask or vaccine mandates and instead focusing efforts on early treatment
Experts have suggested the declines seem to follow a familiar two-month cycle since the pandemic began with cases and deaths increasing for about two months before dropping
This has also been seen in other states that experienced surges over the summer such as Alabama, Louisiana and Texas

Sunshine !

Good old Merck doing the best thing for poorer nations , very interesting comments section on this article. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/27/health/covid-pill-access-molnupiravir... Lets all hope it works and side effects are minimal.

Monkey - I think you could be right . What about Israel ?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-29/ivermectin-from-india-offered-on-...

I guess the cynics might say that’s what happens when you ban GP’s from prescribing it

Matt Taibbi reporting on Merck new early treatment drug . Think this is a month old .

Hutchy 19 wrote:

Monkey - I think you could be right . What about Israel ?

Unfortunately Israel seems to be dealing with another wave similar to Singapore. The only thing these two countries have in common is a high vaccination rate.

Low cases in Qld after carriers did come in with covid was thought to be due to our weather and the heat. I can’t really comment on WA but have read that qld gets lucky due to sun and a high average temp.

I read somewhere a while ago that UV rays kill the virus . Not sure if heat is a factor .

That is why I believe it is very unlikely to catch the virus when outside . TBB would know the figures on this I think .

Air cons and heaters can have uv rays installed I was also told but I have not checked that out . The same person said UV lights would not be healthy for our eyes .

Sorry I haven't checked this out and am only speculating .

The CDC in the US has finally recognised that there is Natural Immunity ,

Ever since Israeli researchers found in that naturally acquired immunity from a previous COVID-19 infection is 13x more effective than Pfizer's vaccine at stopping the Delta variant in nearly 800,000 patients, US officials have been absolutely silent on the topic of natural immunity when it comes to making policy.

That all changed on Friday, when a group of CDC scientists - looking at just 7,000 adults who were hospitalized with Covid-19, concluded that vaccines provide stronger protection against hospitalization than natural immunity.

Hospitalized patients who weren’t vaccinated but had been previously infected with Covid were about five times more likely to test positive for the infection than people who had been vaccinated, according to the CDC study. The CDC has long recommended that people get vaccinated even if they have already had Covid-19. -Bloomberg

Put up the link if you want to be taken seriously. Until then, here's one for the ivermectin warriors. These are the kind of results you look for in a drug trial.

“ The drug, called fluvoxamine, is taken for conditions including depression and obsessive–compulsive disorder. But it is also known to dampen immune responses and temper tissue damage, and researchers credit these properties for its success in the recent trial. Among study participants who took the drug as directed and did so in the early stages of the disease, COVID-19-related deaths fell by roughly 90% and the need for intensive COVID-19-related medical care fell by roughly 65%.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02988-4?utm_source=Nature+Bri...

@blindboy , interesting that the FLCCC who actually treat patients have had fluvoxamine in their protocol for months now and were also the pioneers of using steroids in treating covid when every health organisation said they were mad . Every health organisation now recommends steroids depending on the stage of disease. FLCCC way ahead of the pack in treating patients successfully with their protocol , saving lives is what counts, patients before profits, something you struggle with .

A search for fluvoxamine on their web site comes back with Optional and "recently added". Sounds like they were trying to add something into the mix that might actually work!

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/medical-evidence-and-...

blindboy wrote:

A search for fluvoxamine on their web site comes back with Optional and "recently added". Sounds like they were trying to add something into the mix that might actually work!

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/medical-evidence-and-...

As usual blindboy you only see what you want to see . Did you have trouble finding this ? I thought you were a researcher ?
pichost
. https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/math-plus-protocol/. It was added months ago like I said, before the together trial , keep up blindboy.

BB-Have a look at the end of the comment IF you want to know where the info came from Blind One .

It doesn't matter where comments come from as if you don't like them you still refuse to believe them .

I think the Age , SMH and fucken Nature are biased but am willing to believe some of their articles . Your top 3 sources .

If everyone asked you to link ALL your comments we would be here all day .

I might do it for a while instead of taking you at your word .

No trouble mate. It is dated the 18th of October 2021. So as I said, recently added, probably because they had the evidence from the trial I quoted that, unlike your fave, it is highly effective.

blindboy wrote:

No trouble mate. It is dated the 18th of October 2021. So as I said, recently added, probably because they had the evidence from the trial I quoted that, unlike your fave, it is highly effective.

Wrong again , it was added in May /June

Not according to your link.

blindboy wrote:

Not according to your link.

As I said you only see what you want to see . From your link The most compelling recent therapeutic evidence suggests a role for the following therapies (last updated on May 17, 2021): The FLCCC protocol changes as new evidence evolves, your looking at my link as this is the latest development of protocol. Back in May June is when it was added . Since then other things have been added so it’s usually a 2 monthly update. Here’s the September version https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Allianc...

Not a reliable source.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Line_COVID-19_Critical_Care_Alliance

blindboy wrote:

Not a reliable source.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Line_COVID-19_Critical_Care_Alliance

Hahahaha your incredible , maybe you can do some “ resurch “ on Wikipedia , better you don’t though as you won’t like what you’ll find . Keep trying though champ.

What was it six doctors and two journalists touting vitamin C cures and then latching onto the chance of a quick buck from the gullible when covid came along? Give me a break and come up with something even vaguely credible.

The delusion continues, get well soon.

Hutchy 19 wrote:

I read somewhere a while ago that UV rays kill the virus . Not sure if heat is a factor .

That is why I believe it is very unlikely to catch the virus when outside . TBB would know the figures on this I think .

Air cons and heaters can have uv rays installed I was also told but I have not checked that out . The same person said UV lights would not be healthy for our eyes .

Sorry I haven't checked this out and am only speculating .

I have wondered about the logic of locking everyone inside. Growing up in the UK that was a sure fire way to make the entire family sick when the inevitable flu came around. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

"As time went by, we came to realise that the summary – “Covid-19 is like a very bad flu” – is basically wrong. The reason? Human influenza is a respiratory infection, with severe disease resulting when the virus gets deep into the lungs. We rarely find influenza virus in the blood of sick people. The respiratory tract can also be severely damaged by SARS-CoV-2, but what makes Covid-19 different from the flu is the fact the virus disseminates in the blood (viremia) to infect major organs such as the heart and kidneys."

by Peter Doherty

"Peter Doherty shared the 1996 Nobel Medicine Prize with Swiss colleague Rolf Zinkernagel, for their discoveries about transplantation and “killer” T cell-mediated immunity, an understanding that is currently translating into new cancer treatments. The first veterinarian to win a Nobel, he was Australian of the Year in 1997. Still active in research on immunity to influenza, he commutes between St Jude Children’s Research Hospital, Memphis and the Peter Doherty Institute at the University of Melbourne, where he now spends most of his professional time. "

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2021/10/30/what-weve-learnt-about-co...

Brilliant aricle Blindboy, thank you.

Say no to vaccine passports petition

https://www.onenation.org.au/vaccine-passports

One Notion?

For the sake of democracy and lifting the intelligence level inside parliament massively lets all hope and pray she also refuses to get the jab ... something about evolution comes to mind

GuySmiley wrote:

For the sake of democracy and lifting the intelligence level inside parliament massively lets all hope and pray she also refuses to get the jab ... something about evolution comes to mind

Lets hope the same for UAP.

Victoria's gained a little more freedom this week, but its not all roses, decent sized protest today .

Standing room only down the shallow end of the gene pool I’m guessing

So according to the MATH+ protocol from the FLCCC the core meds for the treatment of hospitalised COVID 19 patients are:

1. Methylpred
2. Vitamin C
3. Vitamin B
4. Heparin

That's not adjunctive, that's core.

Compare with the NIH protocol:

1. Remdesivir
2. Dexamethasone
3. Baricitinib
+/- a monoclonal antibody

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-manag...

I know which treatment I 'd be wanting when I'm gasping for breath on minimal exertion (ie. just turning over in bed), tachypnoeic and tachycardic.

Sanguine, FLCCC have monoclonal antibodies as adjunct therapy in their early treatment protocol, not their hospital protocol.
The rest is not a whole lot different. That Dexamethasone dose should be 6mg, maybe 8mg.
Methyl pred at high doses is probably doing more. I’m guessing various institutions would use it if the Dex didn’t appear to be doing much. And you might be surprised, they might also be adding vitamin supplements as well, not unheard of in many types of ICU patients.
And the heparin is vital, so overall their protocols aren’t particularly radical.
Most of the other adjuvant (and even first line therapies) have some degree of evidence and are very safe

A US judge has just decided Biden can not sack (yet) workers or military personal for reusing to get vaxed on religious grounds .

Will the same precedent be made here ?

A Washington DC District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly has temporarily blocked Biden from firing unvaccinated Federal workers. The judge found that the order was unconstitutional as it has failed to acknowledge employees seeking religious exemptions. “None of the civilian employee plaintiffs will be subject to discipline while his or her request for a religious exception is pending,” Kollar-Kotelly declared. US military members may not be prosecuted for their sincerely held beliefs. “[A]ctive duty military plaintiffs, whose religious exception requests have been denied, will not be disciplined or separated during the pendency of their appeals,” the judge noted.

Time for a bit of a review of the pandemic. Let's start with the Ruby Princess fiasco, an impressive opening display of the incompetence, carelessness and near perfect indifference to human suffering that has characterised our lovely neolib government's response.

So; The Ruby Princess.

A 2018 biosecurity report to the Commonwealth government highlighted the risks from arriving ships. Nothing was done
The officer inspecting the Ruby Princess did not follow protocols, did not interview sick passengers, was a junior official with little experience and had no training in carrying out such inspections.
The “Traveller With Illness Checklist” was not administered properly.
The ship’s master was not interviewed and its logs were not inspected.
Prior to arrival 104 passengers had reported to the ship’s clinic with acute respiratory illness.
It was later determined that 663 passengers had COVID 19.
There were at least 62 secondary or tertiary infections and at least 28 deaths.
An outbreak linked to the Ruby Princess caused 138 infections and 10 deaths in Tasmania.
David Littleproud, the Minister responsible for biosecurity, blamed NSW Health despite quarantine being a Federal government responsibility and officers from his department giving the passengers permission to leave and travel on without quarantine.

https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/assets/dpc-nsw-gov-au/publications/The-Specia...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-24/report-finds-federal-government-f...

After that it might be thought things would improve, but that would have involved the government giving a shit. More to follow.

Stuff ups:

- Ruby Princess, but very early in the pandemic, resulted in about 28 deaths.

- BLM marches going ahead another stuff up, that coincidentally resulted in a huge spike in cases two weeks latter. (off course no responsibly was taken as would be a political mess for both state and federal leaders if they admitted protest were linked to infections)

- Dan Andrews quarantine stuff up, caused one of the biggest spikes in Australia and resulted in 800+ deaths. (and even an investigation never found who made the decision)

-Gladys not locking down fast enough (although Victoria still locked down and still saw a huge spike, so in hindsight it was pretty much irrelevant)

Overall:

Biggest fuck ups in the pandemic easily Victoria, absolutely useless so called leader, that is a power hungry dictator.

Victoria still holds the record of deaths 1,123 to NSW=568 rest of Australia=44

Victoria still holds the record for infections 88,930 to NSW=75,278

Victoria holds the record of days locked down, actually holds the world record about 270 days give or take.

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TD,
"Most of the other adjuvant (and even first line therapies) have some degree of evidence and are very safe"

You are correct, most are very safe. But are they efficacious?

A follow up with Professor Petrovsky on his crowd funding vaccine.

All have evidence that they are san guine. Have a hunt around and check for yourself

For those on this site who have made their informed decisions about their alternative treatment options (as per FLCCC) in the event of getting COVID 19 requiring hospitalisation, I suggest the following:

If it all goes pear shaped and you require hospital admission for COVID, it is unlikely that you will be able to personally convey your instructions (secondary to hypoxia, hypercapnia and/or respiratory distress). So prior to hospitalisation, please notify your next of kin as to your wishes, so that when you are admitted ED physicians and the treating team are then aware of your choice.

To be clear, I would strongly recommend against the alternative treatments that have been suggested, but I would respect your choice.

@sanGuine , unfortunately in this country we can’t use the early treatment protocol suggested by the FLCCC to stop being hospitalised in the first place . We must wait until we are very sick before receiving any treatment in hospital. Unless things have recently changed ? What outpatient treatment is currently available in Australia ? Not being a smart arse SG and I respect your position on this , from the start we have only been told to go home and isolate, wait to see how sick you get . The FLCCC and many other Doctors have treated thousands of out patients . Have you had a close look at Dr. Joseph Varon ? In Houston he received a humanitarian award for his work and they have a Dr Joseph Varon day there to celebrate his dedication and achievements.

My wife returns to face to face teaching today armed with a bottle of Zinc tablets. She is vaxed. I read her 10 page back to work protocols - nothing that public health hasn't already put out.
Anyone here suggest something in addition to this?
SG do you have a prevention regime , beyond eating well , keeping weight in check ,and your protocols at work?

@Supafreak,

My comment this morning came from a professional nursing perspective. My most fundamental duty is to be a patient advocate, whether I agree with the patients choices or not.

I try to keep my mind open to new developments and try not to dismiss differing opinions. But I've got to go with evidenced based practice.

...and I'm under know illusion that public healthcare in Australian is some kind of medical utopia, there are conflicts in interest, old school networks, people getting shafted, cover-ups, whatever, as with society in general.

I guess I am also influenced by my role at the very frontline of seeing these COVID patients, right on the edge...

H2O wrote:

My wife returns to face to face teaching today armed with a bottle of Zinc tablets. She is vaxed. I read her 10 page back to work protocols - nothing that public health hasn't already put out.
Anyone here suggest something in addition to this?
SG do you have a prevention regime , beyond eating well , keeping weight in check ,and your protocols at work?

Hey H2O,

As you said all the basics good diet, exercise (surfing), good mental health regimen (surfing), keep the kilos off.

But I reckon one of the most obvious and overlooked protective strategies is hand hygiene.

In hospital I would use hand-rub 50+ times each shift. For context, I could see up to 20 (12-15 on a 'normal' day) different patients in 8 hours, including entering COVID wards.

So you don't need to wash your hands as obsessively as me, but hand hygiene is an easy way to mitigate risk.

Thanks SG . She forgot to take the thermometer we got to take kids temp with today. Not in school protocol - I thought they would do the kids each day as they arrived .

Looks like Byron Bay is about to be flooded with record numbers of visitors ,. Only 63.5% fully vaxxed in that area too. I can't see that helping staffing issues when the masses arrive. Could be a long wait for your latte or that daiquiri . I hope the hospitals up there are ready .
The next 4 weeks or so is going to be interesting to see what unfolds with case numbers , hospitalisations etc,especially between the vaxxed/unvaxxed in different regions.

Probably helps when trying to understand each other https://brandnewtube.com/watch/why-are-you-awake-when-so-many-aren-039-t...