COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 10 Apr 2020 at 11:38pm

Compulsory Vax is what's lengthening the US Gun Queues.
Need Guns for Rape Dungeon birthing suites as Sexual Health/Abortions closed

Trump is also only World leader since 1980's to deploy Land Mines (Right Now!)
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2020-03/news/us-allow-expanded-landmine-use

Across the Ditch..

Check out NZ Gun Queues to mark Gun Massacre Anniversary.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8145033/Customers-queue-outside...

Watch how clever Kiwi shopper gets that last pack of toilet paper...
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/04/coronavirus-kiwi-shop...

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Fliplid commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 7:15am

TBB did you see the Twitter link “choose you fighter” on that NZ newshub link?

https://twitter.com/tifffanycuh/status/1246227095522553857/photo/3

Fear is the mother of invention

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 8:56am

Australia is falling fast down the world list of cases down to 26 this morning was about 20 or less a few days ago.

Our new infection rates are still looking really good below 100 recovery rates have been good, deaths rates up to 53 so far which is actually very good on a word scale compared to other countries with similar number of cases.

BTW as we know NZ is also doing very well their death rate only 2, but interestingly if you compare things on a per million basis NZ actually has a slightly higher infection rate 266 compared to our 243. (we also test slightly more people per 1 million people)

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Island Bay commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 11:20am

Apparently Aus tested a lot at first, but less now. NZ the other way around.

Still, it's great to see you doing so well, and with much less extreme lockdown measures.

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 11:45am

Hey Indo, thats not a death rate, thats the total number of deaths.

I know you probably meant that.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 11:54am

Yep sorry thats what i meant

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The real Donald... commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 3:12pm

Died *of* COVID19 or Died *with* COVID19 ??? Hmmmm.

The real Donald reckons nothing happens by chance and statistically 50% of statistics are wrong. Hmmmm.

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 4:43pm

Hey Craig this is worth a read and looking up the paper, reputable researchers:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-st...

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 5:35pm

"Almost 160 Victorian healthcare workers have been infected with coronavirus, a figure which has doubled in a week, prompting the state's peak medical body to demand an explantation from authorities."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/very-concerning-number-of-health-workers...

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 5:53pm

"Some patients who recover from COVID-19 develop very few antibodies, a new early-stage study suggests, raising questions over the development of a vaccine and whether people get lasting immunity.

Nearly a third of 175 patients studied produced low antibody levels. In 10 people, antibody levels were so low they could not be detected."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/scientists-at-odds-after-study-finds-cor...

When you get the certificate to say you've had it, make sure you get the good certificate and not the dodgy one.

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shoredump commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 6:12pm

Also from that article VJ:

Dr Kizzmekia Corbett, part of an American team now testing a COVID-19 vaccine in humans, called the findings unsurprising.

“This is not news. This is classical respiratory-virus shenanigans. The reason many of them circulate yearly is because of [their] inability to induce protective immunity,” she wrote on Twitter.

The goal of her team’s vaccine was to induce a much longer-lasting immune response, she wrote.

VJ, what can we do really? You are actually a good example of the reality of the stay home movement problem. You are one of the vulnerable, yet you still leave home just to go surfing. How could you expect a fit vegan wellness 25 yo who is likely safe any day of the week to not go walk the promenade and stay home, when you won’t. It’s always the other persons fault I find with this. Oh I saw people at the beach, what were they thinking. You’re one of my favourite contributors on here, I sincerely hope we find a solution mate

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Craig commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 7:46pm

Yeah good article VJ, seen a couple of weeks ago and they've since updated showing the scenarios if we take our foot off the brake from here. We're in it for the long game it seems with slight easing of restrictions but close monitoring as to not let the virus escalate again.

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The real Donald... commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 8:18pm

The real Donald is wondering who pays for the all financial stimulus being doled out? Suddenly we all socialists ? Hmmmm.

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 8:52pm

Hi Shoredump, I appreciate the concern. I actually haven't surfed since the Vic level 3 restrictions, had one last solid session with my youngest and that's been it. I'm walking the walk while talking the talk. If I did go back out there, I'd add an extra filter - "Is this safe for me, given my situation?" All other contact has been stopped, and home treatment has been arranged, which is a remarkably generous offer given my situation. Even then I do wear PPE, and my nurse also does. I still think of how the local hospital staff are doing, tbh they are fantastic. If I suggest I might surf, at the moment it's tongue-in-cheek. The whole family is in isolation, the only thing the Ms and I have done is a walk at about 11pm, local, 2 blocks, see the ocean, go back. Don't worry about me, heaps of exercises, stretches, meditation while trying to organise ahead for the next challenges to come. Plus I get to hobby and build things! And read, and shitpost on swellnet when I find links like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVP5fMPSTko

Craig, I think it will be a longer game than we think, but we've actually got a chance to really stamp it out, and also to avoid an intra-country depression. (If you look at other countries, depression might be forced upon us via external trade, on a time-lag. We will see.

& Mr President. yes I've been reading some shocking economic data, was going to put it up in 'interesting stuff.' AFAIK nobody pays for it (now) because it's being printed out of the aether. Interest will be paid on the bonds that are swapped for the delicious aetheric fiat, however, so somebody (taxpayer) will pay. In the meantime, some will pay and some will be paid if it sets off little hyperinflations in all sorts of asset classes and consumables.

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troppo dichotomy commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 8:54pm

Don expect them to increase the GST.We will all pay for the stimulation package/quantitative greasing.

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shoredump commented Saturday, 11 Apr 2020 at 9:36pm

It’s not so bad at all right, I just read this, which blew my mind. It seems it could be ok?

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/coronavirus-covid19-how-aus...

I completely change my stance on this bloody virus topic.

I’m glad I’ve physically supported the lockdown whist bitching about impossible cost. Way more possible than I realised.

Still not sure we will find a solution, I still think we may be in for population correction, but lockdown for say 18 months could get us over the line hey

Sorry I took so long

Makes me wonder if it can also be applied to environmental solutions

VJ, biggest human effort ever is going to find you a vaccine

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 10:57am

Shrek is more than willing to lend a Hand with Sneezing Hygiene... /R\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tAVRDAnXl4&list=PLXmS0Q9cBpmUmDbsu0g2L9...

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 3:42pm

Cheers, SD, tbh they've already done so much for me, I'm very grateful. I think it will be OK economy wise, if you can access the vehicles to keep a business going in the meantime, or keep yourself going with Jobkeeper etc. There might even be radical opportunities to start making things that are national priorities, eg

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/coronavirus-covid19-3d-prin...

Australia doing QE - we haven't done it before so are nowhere near the endgame for that (loss of faith in all fiat currencies and Ludwig von Mises' timeless quote). There will be a shift in the world into more govt intrusion in everything and nations remembering to be nations, & I'm spending the weekend mulling over this. About to fire up the E-sports on the big screen.

Have a great weekend everyone!

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The real Donald... commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 3:47pm

Velocity whack up that economic data here, it's completely relevant to this thread, it'll out rank the death rate for sure, if it hasn't already.

The Govt bonds are straight forward enough. What isn't is the rental / housing / mortgage dynamic especially here in Aust cos we are on the debt hook probably more than anywhere.

Can't neg gear your investment properties when you ain't got a job, and the tenant ain't paying rent cos they ain't got a job, so who pays the piggy bankers, the local councils, insurances, land tax ? The list goes on, who has to suck on all that ? The day of reckoning has arrived for the over-leveraged, and why should those of us still working and not choking on debt have to donate blood.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 4:19pm

Australia now sitting at 29 only 65 cases yesterday.

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Jamyardy commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 4:35pm

Looks good on paper ID, they did mention they tested far less that day (holiday WE), ~800 vs ~3,500 from the day before). I suspect there will be a correction in a few days and the numbers will come up a bit. When you look at recent pics of beaches etc, its hard to believe that we are doing so well comparatively, due to our "social distancing" measures. Not sure about over East, but pretty warm in the West of late, for this time of year, Europe/NA coming out of winter, we not too far from entering it .. wonder if that will play a hand in # of contracted cases in coming months.

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 4:47pm

"The real Donald is wondering who pays for the all financial stimulus being doled out? Suddenly we all socialists ? Hmmmm."

They were talking about this on ABC radio the other day and they all seemed to agree we will need to grow the economy again, and you know what that means?

Population growth :(

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zenagain commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 6:00pm

Until politicians stop using GDP as a measurement of growth rather than actual productivity, the only solution to growing an economy is to import more people.

Silly really, economic growth is not infinite and population increase only defers the problem.

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I focus commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 7:40pm

I note that the possibility of not getting a vaccine floated by Australia's chief medical officer not a good sign.

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The real Donald... commented Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 8:05pm

Yes and Yes id and Z .

The real Donald is hugely bemused when the immigration fueled GDP growth model collides head on with the virus fueled depop program. Hmmmm.

Still, look at the sunnyside, our carbon emissions have been hammered, Extinction Rebellion have no need choke up the streets, and Greta Thunderberg can party like it's 1999 and she wasn't even born.

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 14 Apr 2020 at 5:22pm

Nation claims mixed messaging from Leaders so tbb will reverse the Heat.
Do our leaders practice what they preach?

National Health Security
PM + Premiers + Chief Ministers Covid -19 Defence.

Leaders have let their guard down to rear threats and full frontal vulnerability.
Leaders are neglecting Media as frontline & virus has gone down the same avenue.

Microphones are #1 Viral Dip Sticks...(#1 Performers invest in their own Mikes)
Media mikes spread Covid -19 from one Outbreak to next viral Hot Spot.
Same Corona Dip Sticks are repeatedly fed into the mouths of Oz / World Leaders.

tbb (National Security swellnet Exclusive) Ranks Oz Leaders Covid-19 vulnerability.
Falling well short of own Hygiene directives is a habit for our leaders.
More alarming is the vast difference in Hygiene protocol between leaders.
If one Leader practices a better way, surely all would share that same practice? No!
tbb is shocked to view Leaders inconsistent devil may care attitude to coronavirus.

Ranking Key: Based on Presentation & Microphone Hygiene (Thoughtful example):
https://churchacousticsandsoundsystems.com/sound-system-discussions/heal...
Microphones / Currency all rank distance +1-3 day virus life on types of surfaces .
Key is standard agreement across WHO + Banks + Govt Mints + Sound Industry
Note Govt/Councils/Banks/Supermarkets ban currency & push sloppy viral Cards?

(Panic)*Rogue (Dirty) Mikes- Outsourced - Venue Pass Hook Up? (re: Sabotage!)
(Panic)*Network Mikes- Pollies gargle viral Dip Sticks (Preachers use own mikes)
(Panic)*Distance 1.5m - Pollies bundle Viral Dip Sticks & spray all over them...(next)

(Poor) *Hard smooth Mike (3 days shared gooey virus life) eg: Sloppy Credit Cards
(Good) *Foam Mike (2 days only part spreads virus life) eg: Indented Coin surface.
(Best) *Fluffy Mike (1 day absorbs virus life) eg: Porous Paper Money.

All Hard to Fluffy mikes travel from one viral Hot Spot to next viral Hot Spot daily.
Crew can rank their own...tbb chose Corona'Address + standard Hygiene test.

Australian Territories
ACT - Rear + Rogue -Good Mikes + 2x Panic Distancing
https://the-riotact.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2020-03-16-COVID19-Pr...
NT - Rear + Rogue (Phone)-Good Mikes + 2x Panic Distancing
https://sharenews.grantdigital.com.au/images/Virus_now_outside_Darwin_ra...
Note how National Health heads are exposed to crowd + bundled / rogue Mikes.
#1 Rear +Real Dodgy Mike/s -Good+ Fair Distancing

Australian States
Tasmania- Rear + Contagious Rogue Mikes
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4999d2e962c8a86cfb18472793f345c3

SA Exposed + Rogue (phones)-Good Mikes + Panic Distancing
https://indaily.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/20200310001454799692-o...

WA Exposed + Rogue(Phones) -Good Mikes + Panic Distancing
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/5c619f3aac43fa984953cee8c7b18eb1\

Vic- Exposed +Good -Best Mikes + Panic distancing
https://insidestory.org.au/wp-content/uploads/andrews5.jpg

NSW- Exposed +Rogue (Phone)-Best Mikes + Mega Panic Distancing
https://westernweekender.com.au/wp-content/uploads/gladys4.jpg
https://www.ntd.com/assets/uploads/2019/03/Gladys-Berejiklian-2.jpg

*What you are about to see will blow yer tiny minds...(Qldurrz Fluffy World)

Qld -Exposed + Health Minister - Best x 100 Fluffy mikes + Best Distancing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUVJw3yUcAcICpZ.jpg
https://sharenews.grantdigital.com.au/images/Queensland_months_away_from...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/12115302-3x2-700x467.jpg

Federal Govt.
PM has Presidential God like Rank during coronavirus crisis.
This is because he is locked up...so has time to change into Super Hero costumes.
Clever cameraman agrees...note Scomo Halo & Angel like wings / Super Hero cape!
https://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_pictrure...

PM tells us to shut our doors but his door is always open, nothing to hide! Trust Me!
https://images.7news.com.au/publication/C-757599/668a6584ee0277c7474eb77...

https://cdn1.neoskosmos.com/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/morrison-corona-aap1...

PM can then Control all the suffering into a stage managed playset
He reshuffles the Podiums & Oz Sticker Plaques for each character rank.
Here the PM is Larger than life as a God like Figure...
https://images.7news.com.au/publication/C-756656/93cf0a89f545b69f57a8157...

tbb has noticed the PM's Mikes change often...so what appears Strong is pissweak.
Rogue 3rd parties bid for cheapest Gig on PM's Mikes..(tbb is not joking)
Seldom do you see the same Mike Hookup + No notable media Mikes (Anyones?)
Also see random tradies on ladders behind his bar doors during Press Conferences.
PM's gig is 100% outsourced & open to live viral sabotage quite easily.

When our Leader comes out to tear off some hands...he too prefers...(Fluffy Soft!)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10999264-3x2-940x627.jpg

COAG
Seating can't be changed to suit 1.5m distancing because the table is too cool.
https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/styles/article_detail/public...

Blooper Pic (Did the PM just Gob Corona into Chief Medico's Eye?)
https://twitter.com/shayne_chester/status/1239009281422143488/photo/1

Anyhow there's Oz Full Frontal Lineup...
Main question is ...Are we Qldurrz tough enough to shrug off the Fluffy jokes?

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 7:29pm
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AndyM commented Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 8:33pm

Is it VJ?

But if social distancing measures are relaxed, virus numbers will rise again.

So, "We cannot return to life as normal. We need to get that in our consciousness."

With no end?
Surely at some stage when we feel have medical supplies and equipment under control, we're going to have to just deal with it, do the duck, weave and slip.
Maybe with significant increases in international testing and quarantine.

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 9:01pm

They could be hoping for total elimination?

Anyway Andy, don't worry too much about that today, just think of your future holiday at Corona Beach in Italy:

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/04/14/news/coronavirus_box_in_ple...

(The dining table pic is a real lol!)

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AndyM commented Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 10:16pm

Haha, yeah that's my idea of an intimate dinner!

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 11:18pm

Covert Pervert #19 [ Oz Govt Trace Together App ]
Social Credit Scheme cleverly disguised as a Social Credit Scheme
https://theconversation.com/the-coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-wont-log...

Tech Review on Trace Together app
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Original Singapore Govt app Guidelines
https://www.gov.sg/article/help-speed-up-contact-tracing-with-tracetogether

4 things..
1) March - US Judge : "API can't be copyrighted!" (Your phone shit is our YouTube)
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/16/google_oracle_supreme_court/

2) Govt denies working with developers Apple/Google? (AWS...OZ/NZ Security override)
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/asd-vetting-code-on-australias-future-cov...

3) Oz Govt awaits security / privacy / clearance / access > AWS Enigma code breakers.
https://www.cyber.gov.au/news/aws-ccsl

4) Not Trackable?...system needs Google Maps for GPS (We're not fucking stupid!)
https://blog.enigma.co/safetrace-privacy-preserving-contact-tracing-for-...

Wanna meet Dutto's Boss...give us a smile Mathew...Nice One!
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/aws-awarded-protected-certificatio...

Some creepy Guy who Runs Australian Policy from his laptop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=0-GJPDCTZAo&feature=emb_...

Govt old school Coronavirus Australia App (Not the new Spy one!)
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/coronavirus-australia...

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 11:09pm

UK: Leading cause of 80% of Corona deaths is preventable related to lifestyle.

A 90% reduction in Spread of Coronavirus & Oz Health Costs...for no extra cost?
Only takes Oz Govt to continue policing "Essential Services" equally & fairly...
More on that below...
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/bennett-policy-prize-cambrid...

All note Essential Items are strictly limited, but bucket loads of shit are unlimited.
Elderly prefer small weighted 2x limit goods so now need to shop much more.
Elderly struggle loading a previous shop' into Bags, so are forced into more shops.

64% Seniors travel further & longer seeking out legit Oz currency merchants.
Both tbb's Mum & Father in Law were denied Oz transactions in Banks & Councils.

More concerning is 94% of Outpatients are currently denied Health / Dental Care.

On the flip...Coronavirus is clearly the best health tool to ever land in our lap.
That is the opinion of Health Leaders...
Judgement Day face to face with our demons...all begging to cut their heads off.

So what do our leaders do, when presented with the Holy Grail...(Spill their lollies!)
All we have to do is nothing more than what we're doing now! (Not Much at all!)
Just apply the Law equally & 45% of 50% slice of OZ Total Debt is wiped forever!

PM: Our greatest Demons are Essential for our wellbeing & survival of the Church.

[ Covid -19 ] is banishing worldly demons one by one...

'Non Essential' Shopping list is catching on around the World...
Easter Eggs / Hunts + Candy Stores + Ice Cream Vans + Dentists call for Sugar ban + Export Sugar ban + Cereals + Wedding / Cakes + Biscuits + Coffee + Indoor Fast Food Stalls + Sausages + Butchers.+ Vapes + Cigarettes / Stores + Alcohol / Pubs + Harder Stuff
https://www.begadistrictnews.com.au/story/6709612/buying-drugs-not-essen...

Thanks for reading!

Here's the kicker! Get ready as this next Healthy Food Challenge is alarming...
Largest ever Food dumping results in largest impending food shortage...(WTF)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food....

[ATTENTION] UN is Essentially Alerting You, but Don't Panic Buy. (Ready Set Go...)
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/un-warns-covid-19-coronavirus-pa...

(Right Now Worlds largest Essential Food suppliers are hitting Lockdown.
Each nation declaring Food Security (Grains/Veges) as State of Emergency.
Just as we saw China's Giant Claw ...we see Europe clawing back Cereal Packs.

tip: Above mentioned Coffee is #4 Oz import...tbb give the crew a fighting chance!
Increase in less secure hobby farms feed Extinction Zombies before themselves.

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 11:55pm

tbb you are onto it
was also a report of a Chinese province educating people to store 3-6 months food staples
Here in Oz - are we in a better situation? Can feed 75mil with our ag sector?
Also - background of increasingly horrific grain/crop/grape/fruit losses due to radical hail/frost/snow events, this is very well documented.

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zenagain commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 2:54am

TBB is more than on to it. Queensland hospitals now buying exclusively Chinese dairy products. Who the fuck signed off on that?

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simba commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 6:06am

Well worth a watch.....ive made to 40 min mark so far but a real eye opener...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo&t=1470s

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 8:33am

I won't watch that Simba, could you give me the gist of it?

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 12:41pm

Thanks crew...gonna need yer help again here...
tbb had to reword this post as the more you research the more corrupted the data.
In some ways Pres Trump can be excused for quoting from (Shifty Flu Stats?)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/27/those-covid-19-death-...
Clearly we have a Flu vs Covid -19 (Battle of the Stats)

tbb will stick with current US Stat scenarios being played out that affect us all...
Dr Schaffner: Coronavirus has "masked" one of the Worst Flu years on record! (0-50 y/olds)
3-5 x more people are testing positive for flu than Coronavirus.
B1 Victoria + H1N1 (With B - hitting the kids & young adults in record amounts).
US Flu season deaths 22,000 (to date) are up but also due to extra Covid 'Testing'?
Dr Klein: "There's been little mention of it?"
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/coronavirus-...

2020 Hospitalisation for Flu is up 65.1 per 100,00 vs (2019- 48.8 per 100,000)
Deaths to 14th March -23,000 ...B strain is killing the Kids (Oldies fight off less Mutant strain)
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/03/24/flu-update

Is there really a Flu Epidemic killing more than ever + Why is WHO hiding this?
WHO : Marked increase in excess Flu mortality in Europe, related to Covid -19. (Huh!)
So this is not news...How! More world citizens dying of flu will haunt WHO.
Does Mass Flu outbreak not cut it for the Social Credit Roll out?

1) WHO corrupts health directives & Trump is right...(WHO are Chinese Spies)
2) Johnny Rotten..."Ever get the feeling you've been had?"
3) Elton John: "You! Me! Everybody! Gotta Full Time Social Credit Score!"
4) PM: Queue jumping "Jobseekers" just employed all the lazy Newstart recipients

If a killer Flu is on Oz doorstep..does Oz need more vaccine for whole Population.
Also Oz Flu peaks in September...will we see 'extended isolation' for Killer Flu?
Clearly PM & medicos need a vaccination drive in next few months for Killer Flu Season.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:14am

I made it to almost 10 minutes but video seems suss

As why is she even talking about Bats spreading the virus from people eating bat soup?

Maybe someone on a blog or social media might think this or suggested this, but its been widely reported for weeks that it looks like it may have started with bats and then been transferred to another animal like a pangolin and then passed on from there. (just like Sars did to civets)

That said even semi reliable media is now questioning the possibility it started elsewhere or by other means.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/how-did-the-coronavirus-st...

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Blowin commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:15am

Don’t you love the way that the MSM is ridiculing the idea that it came from the lab by claiming that there is no evidence to support this ?

But they have no issue perpetuating the claim that it came from a wet market despite there being not a single shred of evidence to support that theory either ?

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freeride76 commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:38am

the mainstream media I'm reading is countenancing the possibility it escaped from the lab, but not as an engineered virus, as an accident.

there does seem to be evidence for that.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:39am

We might not ever really know but the reason they think it came from a wet market is because almost every early cases goes back to the market and markets are the logical place for these things to start.

But if reports are to be believed there was one or two early cases with no link to the market.

If it happened anywhere else you would give no weight to other theories, but being China and the secrecy and corruption among other things, i don't think you can totally write off other possibilities including labs.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:53am

There’s no evidence for its origins anywhere.

This alone tells me something. Five months at least since the virus was first detected and China hasn’t ( appeared ) to be interested in determining where it came from with any great enthusiasm. Not much future in that for China.

If it came from the lab then China is culpable.

If it came from a wet market then China is culpable.

The silence is deafening as far as China seeking the origins of the virus .

Not sure if you’ve ever been involved in an accident, workplace or otherwise , but the process to determine the circumstances leading to the accident are very involved .

So you can imagine just how meticulously investigated the cause of the viral outbreak which broke the world SHOULD be but there’s very few voices pressuring China to establish exactly what occurred.

The only truly vocal world leader demanding proper insight is Trump and the partisan political fucktards undermine this appropriate demand by claiming that it’s blame shifting.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 10:34am

The Wuhan #1Coronavirus Lab only seeks out the most virulent bats for testing.
Hardly a strange coincidence that exotic animals surround Dr Moreau's Lab.
This is why they sacrifice dumbass Wet Market Hunters to seek out killer bats.
Once the Lab extract the virus by being clawed by lively bats ('FUCK! Not again!')
The same local market boy returns to collect his now Human blood infected Bat.

If all goes to plan the Lab Human's Blood mixes with #1 Bat shit crazy Bat Virus.
The nearby market brews a pick me up Bat Soup to be sipped up by all in the Town.

Medicos say by banning these Wet Markets, this will happen more so. How!
The only reason tbb can tell this story is because it was reported by the lab guy.
Infected Wuhan lab guy was quarantined & said he was sorry for killing the world.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2020/02/17/coronavirus-bat-lab/
In future, no one will put their hand up to say sorry or they'll go to jail. (Simple)
Expect more of these Dr Moreau dungeon Slab Wet Market Pandemics.
https://qz.com/1805422/wuhan-virology-lab-unable-to-quell-china-coronavi...
Wiki are still reporting on this angle...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:57am

BTW. this is a good read, ive seen so much BS (conspiracy theories) on social media about this.

Dont see the relevance of the right wing thing though, i see plenty of very left wing people sharing and believing conspiracy theories on Bill gates too.

"Bill Gates, at Odds With Trump on Virus, Becomes a Right-Wing Target
The Microsoft co-founder turned philanthropist has been attacked with falsehoods that he created the coronavirus and wants to profit from it.

In a 2015 speech, Bill Gates warned that the greatest risk to humanity was not nuclear war but an infectious virus that could threaten the lives of millions of people.

That speech has resurfaced in recent weeks with 25 million new views on YouTube — but not in the way that Mr. Gates probably intended. Anti-vaccinators, members of the conspiracy group QAnon and right-wing pundits have instead seized on the video as evidence that one of the world’s richest men planned to use a pandemic to wrest control of the global health system.

Mr. Gates, 64, the Microsoft co-founder turned philanthropist, has now become the star of an explosion of conspiracy theories about the coronavirus outbreak. In posts on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, he is being falsely portrayed as the creator of Covid-19, as a profiteer from a virus vaccine, and as part of a dastardly plot to use the illness to cull or surveil the global population.

The wild claims have gained traction with conservative pundits like Laura Ingraham and anti-vaccinators such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Mr. Gates has emerged as a vocal counterweight to President Trump on the coronavirus. For weeks, Mr. Gates has appeared on TV, on op-ed pages and in Reddit forums calling for stay-at-home policies, expanded testing and vaccine development. And without naming Mr. Trump, he has criticized the president’s policies, including this week’s move to cut funding to the World Health Organization

Misinformation about Mr. Gates is now the most widespread of all coronavirus falsehoods tracked by Zignal Labs, a media analysis company. The misinformation includes more than 16,000 posts on Facebook this year about Mr. Gates and the virus that were liked and commented on nearly 900,000 times, according to a New York Times analysis. On YouTube, the 10 most popular videos spreading lies about Mr. Gates posted in March and April were viewed almost five million times.

Mr. Gates, who is worth more than $100 billion, has effectively assumed the role occupied by George Soros, the billionaire financier and Democratic donor who has been a villain for the right. That makes Mr. Gates the latest individual — along with Dr. Anthony Fauci, the leading U.S. infectious disease expert — to be ensnared in the flow of right-wing punditry that has denigrated those who appear at odds with Mr. Trump on the virus.

“Bill Gates is easily transformed into a health-related meme and figure because he’s so well known,” said Whitney Phillips, an assistant professor at Syracuse University who teaches digital ethics. “He’s able to function as kind of an abstract boogeyman.”

Especially since Mr. Gates has sharpened his comments about the White House’s handling of the coronavirus in recent weeks."

“There’s no question the United States missed the opportunity to get ahead of the novel coronavirus,” he wrote in an opinion column in The Washington Post on March 31. “The choices we and our leaders make now will have an enormous impact on how soon case numbers start to go down, how long the economy remains shut down and how many Americans will have to bury a loved one because of Covid-19.”

Mark Suzman, chief executive of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Mr. Gates’s main philanthropic vehicle, said it was “distressing that there are people spreading misinformation when we should all be looking for ways to collaborate and save lives.”

Through a representative, Mr. Gates declined to interviewed.

The conspiracy theories about Mr. Gates may particularly damage what people think about a future coronavirus vaccine, said Claire Wardle, executive director of First Draft, an organization that fights online disinformation. She said the narratives “have the potential to kick off coordinated and sophisticated online campaigns that turn people against taking a virus vaccine.”

YouTube, Twitter and Facebook, which also owns Instagram, said they were fighting coronavirus misinformation.

Mr. Gates, who founded Microsoft with Paul Allen in 1975 and built it into a software behemoth, has largely devoted his time to philanthropic endeavors since he stepped back from the company in 2008. As of 2018, the Gates Foundation had a $46.8 billion endowment, making it one of the world’s largest private charitable organizations.

The foundation has worked to distribute vaccines in developing countries, advocated family planning through greater use of contraceptives and funded the development of genetically modified crops. Those efforts have prompted unfounded accusations that Mr. Gates was hurting the world’s poor with unnecessary drugs and harmful crops while trying to suppress the global population.

His disdain for Mr. Trump, whom he has met several times, has also become public. In 2018, footage surfaced of Mr. Gates recounting how Mr. Trump needed help distinguishing H.I.V., which refers to the human immunodeficiency virus and causes AIDS, from HPV, which is the human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted infection.

“Both times he wanted to know if there was a difference between H.I.V. and HPV, so I was able to explain that those are rarely confused with each other,” Mr. Gates said to laughter in comments to his foundation.

In January, when the coronavirus began spreading, the Gates Foundation committed $10 million to helping medical workers in China and Africa. In February, Mr. Gates weighed in on the illness, warning in The New England Journal of Medicine that Covid-19 was behaving like a once-a-century pathogen.

In addition to writing the Washington Post op-ed, he called for more and equitable testing in a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” session last month. This month, Mr. Gates appeared on “The Daily Show” and said his foundation would fund factories for the seven most promising potential vaccines.

On Wednesday, the Gates Foundation said it would commit $250 million — up from an earlier pledge of $100 million — to slow the disease’s spread.

By then, falsehoods about Mr. Gates had taken off. The first mention of a baseless conspiracy connecting him to the outbreak was on Jan. 21, according to the Times analysis. That was when a YouTube personality linked to QAnon suggested on Twitter that Mr. Gates had foreknowledge of the pandemic. The tweet was based on a coronavirus-related patent from the Pirbright Institute, a British group that received funding from the Gates Foundation.

The patent was not for Covid-19; it was connected to a potential vaccine for a different coronavirus that affects poultry. But two days later, the conspiracy website Infowars inaccurately said the patent was for “the deadly virus.”

The idea spread. From February to April, conspiracy theories involving Mr. Gates and the virus were mentioned 1.2 million times on social media and television broadcasts, according to Zignal Labs. That was 33 percent more often, it said, than the next-largest conspiracy theory: that 5G radio waves cause people to succumb to Covid-19.

Some of the theories tapped into Mr. Gates’s acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who was convicted of sex trafficking and committed suicide, saying a global elite had banded together to create the coronavirus.

In other theories, internet trolls twisted comments that Mr. Gates had made. In one, trolls said Mr. Gates, who had raised the idea of “digital certificates” to confirm who had the virus, wanted to surveil the population with microchip vaccination implants.

By April, false Gates conspiracy theories peaked at 18,000 mentions a day, Zignal Labs said.

The theories were amplified by people such as Mr. Kennedy, a son of former Senator Robert F. Kennedy, who campaigns against vaccines as a director of the Children’s Health Defense network. On his Instagram page, Mr. Kennedy has said Mr. Gates pushes vaccines to feed his other business interests.

On Tuesday, Mr. Kennedy posted a cartoon of a smiling Mr. Gates with a syringe and a caption: “Your Body, my choice.”

Mr. Kennedy, whose Instagram followers have doubled to more than 285,000 since March, said in an interview that he was telling the truth about the “terrible damage” that Mr. Gates had inflicted on the world with vaccines.

In an April 7 tweet, Ms. Ingraham, a Fox News host, shared a conspiracy theory about nefarious motives behind Mr. Gates’s call to track and identify who had received a Covid-19 vaccine. “Digitally tracking Americans’ every move has been a dream of the globalists for years,” she wrote.

Ms. Ingraham did not respond to a request for comment.

And Roger J. Stone Jr., the Trump confidant who was sentenced this year to 40 months in prison for felonies related to the 2016 Trump campaign, said in a radio interview this week reported by The New York Post that whether Mr. Gates “played some role in the creation and spread of this virus is open for vigorous debate.”

On Wednesday, after Mr. Gates said pulling funding to the World Health Organization was ill advised, the online reaction was swift. (The Gates Foundation funds the organization.)

One anti-vaccinator posted a poster of the movie “Kill Bill” on Instagram that read “Kill Bill Gates” and called for people to flood the comments on Mr. Gates’s Instagram account.

That same day, when Mr. Gates posted his thanks to health care workers, it received over 14,000 comments. One read: “This virus is a big, big lie.”

Michael H. Keller contributed reporting. Ben Decker contributed research."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/technology/bill-gates-virus-conspirac...

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keano commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 8:21pm
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simba commented Saturday, 18 Apr 2020 at 9:58pm

indo were you asleep thru the first 4 minutes of that video where she says it couldnt be transferred from a bat to a human?....The lady knows all about virus's cause she worked on them including the Ebola virus for years thats why shes speaking out saying the whole covid19 is man made .........watch it for at least for 30 mins and learn something .

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 19 Apr 2020 at 9:02am

She says it needs a "intermediate host" to be transferred from bat to human, like a civet which is true, and why they believe it went from bat to pangolin to human

" pangolin coronaviruses have 85.5% to 92.4% genomic similarity to SARS-CoV-2. This similarity is a close second to the recently identified bat coronavirus RaTG13, which is 96% similar. "

Then she goes on about why the theory of the bat virus in uncooked soup to humans makes no sense. etc

Yeah well great, but nobody is suggesting it went from bat soup to humans????

They are suggesting it originated in bats but was passed onto a pangolin and then onto humans, which may or may not have happened at the Wuhan market.

So at that point whatever she says is pointless because she is not talking about the possibility it was transferred from bat to pangolin too human, she is only talking about the fact it cant be transferred direct from bat to human (which nobody is suggesting and something we all know)

She then goes on about bat soup at 8:37 again

So you have to question why she is saying this, because its relevant to whatever she says next.

If she wants to bust the idea it came from the market, then at least bust the theory that is being proposed, not bust a theory that isn't being proposed.

Maybe its innocent, maybe the video dates back a few months even if the upload date is recent (assume not originall source), but even then why doesn't she just say it's much more likely it originated in bats but was transferred to another animal and then picked up in the market, that is the logical explanation.

So you look at logical explanations first and then look for reasons why the logical explanation might not correct, which it very well might end up being true, and for all we know it might have come from a lab.

To me it's just looks like a poorly done video, that is flirting around some kind of suss stuff or at least making suggestions, and then she doesn't exactly have the best history.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/chronic-fatigue-researcher-jailed...

Then the you tube channel also seems a bit suss full of weird religious videos and fear of fluoride videos.

When i go to see if i can find the original video or reliable sources supporting her, i dont find any, and just find the vid on other similar you tube channels and her other videos seem popular with these dodgy youtube channels.

Then when i google her name, i only find her Covid-19 related stuff on unofficial type websites, then i read about her and her book and all i find is more out there controversial stuff that even seems popular with antivaxers

So to me there is lots of alarm bells and reasons not to force myself through more than 20 minutes of her video.

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Cromwell commented Sunday, 19 Apr 2020 at 9:17am

simba I watched enough of that video to get the gist of her arguments. She is obviously highly qualified in her field but does not appear to be currently working in it. The last date reference she gives to active employment is 2000. This is important because things change and the ability of people not currently working in the field to keep up is limited.

Her key claim is that some influenza vaccines increase the risk of corona virus infections based on data from the US Military in 2017-2018. The study here debunks that. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599
Viral inteference is a real phenomenon but I cannot find any evidence linking flu vaccines to increased risk of corona viruses. Her explanation of why some people do not show symptoms is credible but so are numerous other mechanisms and the picture is not yet clear. Beware of aging ex-experts looking for their 15 minutes of fame!

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simba commented Sunday, 19 Apr 2020 at 9:41am

Cromwell ,yes totally agree just threw it out there as another perspective .

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