COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Stok Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 8:06am
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Wrong Stok. Unprecedented punishment for expressing your opinion in contrary to the official party line. At best,the usual standards of evidence for the vaccines were not adhered to because of the urgency of the situation.That’s not conspiracy, that’s the basis for the EUA.
But as a doctor or nurse, if you criticism this decision, even if you cite peer reviewed evidence to justify your opinion, you will potentially be punished

Punished?

Nah....if you're that way inclined to feel you know better than your colleagues and the people who manage and set the standards, you won't be punished.

In fact, you'll gain a cult following, probably get paid more and spend your days guest appearing on podcasts, far right talk shows and at various other events where you'll be hailed as the hero humanity needs.

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tylerdurden Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 9:37am

And yet Stok doctors and nurses are free to do that with every other disease.
Action gets taken against doctors and nurses if there is a poor patient outcome or the patient is aggrieved.
No so with Covid. A doctor prescribes Ivermectin they get reprimanded or punished irrespective of the patient outcome. Ditto re the vaccines, speak negatively about them and potentially cop it, even if you can validate your opinion with evidence

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san Guine Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 10:07am

This debate is now just hugely amusing. As health care costs continue to balloon anyone who works in the hospital system knows, that if it cheap and it works then we will use it (the cheaper the better), be that equipment, staff or medications.

But then, there wouldn't be a conspiracy I guess...

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burleigh Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 10:19am
san Guine wrote:

This debate is now just hugely amusing. As health care costs continue to balloon anyone who works in the hospital system knows, that if it cheap and it works then we will use it (the cheaper the better), be that equipment, staff or medications.

But then, there wouldn't be a conspiracy I guess...

Why I deeply respect that you’re a healthcare worker, this statement is very amusing at your expense (pun intended)

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san Guine Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 10:28am
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san Guine wrote:

This debate is now just hugely amusing. As health care costs continue to balloon anyone who works in the hospital system knows, that if it cheap and it works then we will use it (the cheaper the better), be that equipment, staff or medications.

But then, there wouldn't be a conspiracy I guess...

Why I deeply respect that you’re a healthcare worker, this statement is very amusing at your expense (pun intended)

The cost to me has been my mental health, not so amusing

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burleigh Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 10:59am
san Guine wrote:
burleigh wrote:
san Guine wrote:

This debate is now just hugely amusing. As health care costs continue to balloon anyone who works in the hospital system knows, that if it cheap and it works then we will use it (the cheaper the better), be that equipment, staff or medications.

But then, there wouldn't be a conspiracy I guess...

Why I deeply respect that you’re a healthcare worker, this statement is very amusing at your expense (pun intended)

The cost to me has been my mental health, not so amusing

I do feel you. My businesses have taken huge losses since the beginning of Covid putting relentless pressure on myself and has also taken a huge toll on my mental health.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 12:43pm

"I do feel you"

You are the little worm that has zero fucks to give to health workers...you said they should stop whinging as they signed up to the job.
The only person you have ever had empathy for or cared about is yourself....hypocritical clown that you are.

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burleigh Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 1:27pm
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"I do feel you"

You are the little worm that has zero fucks to give to health workers...you said they should stop whinging as they signed up to the job.
The only person you have ever had empathy for or cared about is yourself....hypocritical clown that you are.

Hahahahaha the triple whacked nut job is here. Go have a lay down toady. You’re still recovering from covid that you caught 1 month ago

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Michael Adam Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 1:55pm

The battle between those whom just want to be left alone VS those who just can’t leave other people alone rages on….

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 10:35pm

Oz Hospital Covid Data (Exclusive to swellnet)
Hospital Data is only given on daily basis (No Cumulative totals)

Hospital Crisis continues with Isolated Staff + Ambo Ramps + lack of reward & respite.

Data is shared as a Salute to Oz frontline to better understand their Crisis!

Oz Monthly Covid Patient Totals
Dec = 3,035 (Peak 27th Dec 140/day) Xmas 25th
Jan = 9,545 (Peak 21st Jan 424/day) Back 2 School
Feb = 6,514 (Peak 1st Feb 375/day) Back 2 School
Mar = 3,237 (Peak 1st March 131/day) Qld/nsw Floods + 3rd WA Open
April = 3,738 (Peak 20th April 161/day) Record Easter Travel 15th-18th
May = 4,177 (Peak 16th May 138/day) AEC Peak / Cut off

Review : Delta + 2021 Mass Monthly Patient Peak is well below 2022 monthly minimum peak
Reveals ongoing rising patient loads with "less" respite for Staff recovery!
Exampling Staff shortages & low morale

Consecutive Peak Days Patient Data
Omicron
2,000/day x 55 days
2,500/day x 45 days
3,000/day x 37 days
Continues with Peak Covid Data....
3,500/day x 31 days > 4,000/day x 25 days > 4,500/day x 20 days > 5,000/day x 10 days

BA.2
2000/day x 71 days (cont...approx + 15 days)
2500/day x 60 days (cont...approx + 30 days)
3,000/day x 33 days (End)...no Higher end Peak but longer as shown!

Review : Again we see maxed out base load of daily cases for longer periods with no end in sight!
Almost as if frontline pray for a heightened patient peak/drop to earn a week's break.
It's clear that Base load Covid dominates Hospitals default purpose each & every day after day!
Vaccine is not reducing severe covid & Vaxed patients are overtaking their Vaxed population rates.

Patients per wave + Avg Patients /day
Omicron (Start) 5th Dec 2021 > 11th March 2022 (End)
20,222 patients over 90 days = 210,64/day avg

BA.2 (Start) 12th March 2022 > 31st May 2022 (Cont...approx + 20 days returning to Wave start point)
9,902 patients over 80 days = 123.76/day avg
Review : The higher patient daily number is offset by shorter Wave with welcome relief in sight.
Here again we see same ongoing base rate being too high to earn a break over longer period.
Even tbb's approx even point is being optimistic...Frontline could face another wave before this!
Wot then! Poor bastards are already operating on flat out as normal.

Chart Notes: At this point Covid is presenting as an 'increasing prolonged burden' on Health Crisis.
Their Monthly Calendar even shows they're not in a healthy position if current high level is their lull?
Staff would consider this base Crisis level as the new norm with Winter spike to come on soon.

NZ/ WA/ SA / Tas + Canada + UK
Patient Vax status (Crew know this data is corrupted or censored but there is just enough to sort!)
Unvaxed Patients are presenting mostly beneath Population count but can rise slightly above.
Kids / Double Vax move fast either scaling weeks 20% Below their rate or weeks climbing 20% above.
Booster patients are the one constant rising group now presenting slightly above their Vax rate

Review : tbb has followed this for a while & this data presents similar across Commonwealth.
We know that Unvaxed infectious rate has been falling since July'21 > severe illness drop from Jan '22
tbb has also shown unvaxed can "drift" a good while above their rate if 2nd dose is protective...re: next!
2nd dose Hospital rates climbed from Jun'21 > Jan'22 > dropped down then rising again to present.
Booster Hospital rates climbed from Jan '22 > Present > Still rising the fastest of all groups!

This being the case...the larger % is now boosted so we can assume current Patient peak has passed...
Should another Mass Booster campaign or Mass Booster wane happen patients would rise again.

Neutralised AB wane has left secondary Non Neutralized AB as last defence (Could be reason in rise!)
Should covid decode & break thru this defence it will present a mass rise in boosted patient numbers!

Oz States 2022 brief overview
SA is nearing 2 months of 200 + patients/day > No relief in sight!
WA patient numbers keep rising to now over 300+ patients/day for over 15 days straight.
Tas continues longest highest patient run for 2 months now...no relief!
Vic patients 2 months high spell shows no signs of backing down.
ACT is the worst affected with patient numbers climbing to today's record Peak (Cold spell warning!)
NSW only had 1 week slip slightly under 1,000/day in whole of 2022 & that was back in mid March
Qld only the month of March presented under 300/day for whole of 2022.
NT warmer weather seems to be keeping many patients at bay for now! (opposite to ACT)

Review : No change...we see this relentless wave of patients present in constant high numbers.
Whole review reinforces this longer never ending wave is the heart of the Crisis!

There can be no doubt NZ/Oz wide Frontline are battling the same Covid Crisis as one!
Only NT has least patients but also least staff to spare...not healthy!
We can & will also check on this ongoing crisis...

Staff Isolation
NSW 2,300 WA 2,200 (100 ambos) Qld 1,600...(Guessing 10,000 Oz wide > measures on high side)
Qld have reinstated some unvaxed in Hospitals...know enough to share it depends on local boards!
Qld refuse PCR tests on staff & only allow 1 RAT / 2nd day.
Covid Leave comes outta Sick leave until maxed out...only then can staff apply for Covid Leave!

Fed Aged Care Frontline.
2,000 [+] each week + 5,700 currently isolating
Don't need tbb to say if that's high & also very high risk.

swellnet crew back the recent & ongoing frontline workers requests for a fair go!

Crew & tbb salute NZ/Oz Frontline both here & about...thanks guys!
We pause to take the time to care, consider & evaluate the Crisis you face daily is very real!
All here can plainly see & feel for your never ending Covid risks.
If we could help more we would...good health to all Health Staff & Frontline!

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burleigh Thursday, 2 Jun 2022 at 11:11am
udo wrote:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/long-covid-remains-a-...

Wonder why no media cover peoples doctor visits from Vaccine injury?

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Thursday, 2 Jun 2022 at 11:47am

Anyone remember the days when National Geographic wasn’t a parody of science and truth? It seems those days are long gone.

Here’s the sub heading from the National Geographic article linked above by Udo:

“For 1 in 3 people who've had COVID-19, the disease turns debilitating and chronic.”

I’m sure that National Geographic would’ve gotten away with printing such bald faced lies not so long ago. I’m just curious how they expect people to swallow such hogwash now that Covid is no longer just an abstract myth generated by fear mongering headlines and news casts? Everyone has either had covid or knows many people who’ve had it and it’s a tough sell to convince people that 1 in 3 suffer from debilitating long covid when everyone knows this to be factually incorrect.

The lies don’t stop coming!

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wallpaper Friday, 3 Jun 2022 at 8:27am

welcome to the shit-for-brains knows best thread folks

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wax24 Monday, 6 Jun 2022 at 11:56pm

Hey San Guine..... just wanted to wish ya well. Saw a comment you made (to Burleigh). Hang in there. Control what ya can, let go of what ya can't, blah, blah. Just hopin you are well. Go get wet.

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san Guine Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 8:43am
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Hey San Guine..... just wanted to wish ya well. Saw a comment you made (to Burleigh). Hang in there. Control what ya can, let go of what ya can't, blah, blah. Just hopin you are well. Go get wet.

Thanks Wax,
Really appreciate your thoughts. Easily the most challenging time of my whole working career.
Have done a lot of work to keep my head in a good place, including 4 months off with stress leave. Back at work now, have definitely had to lower my own expectations (of myself and of the organisation I work for), I feel so much better but things aren't any better in terms of pressure, the level of stress and anxiety is almost palpable...considering a career change, but it's really hard to leave when you actually love the work you do.
Surfing a lot and this has really helped plus mindfulness, counselling and I am v fortunate to have an amazing support network.

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Craig Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 8:52am

I mirror Wax's thoughts as well. All the best SG and thanks for all the hard work you and your colleagues do. Stay well.

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san Guine Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 9:05am

Cheers Craig.
Australia has a world class health system (not without many problems) but it is being run into the ground, there is no more capacity. Building new facilities is only a small part of the solution, staffing is the real issue.
All the senior staff are exhausted and they provide us with juniors as replacements (who we have to oversee) with little or negligible real world experience.
The system was under the pump prior to the pandemic...

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 10:08am
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Anyone remember the days when National Geographic wasn’t a parody of science and truth? It seems those days are long gone.

Here’s the sub heading from the National Geographic article linked above by Udo:

“For 1 in 3 people who've had COVID-19, the disease turns debilitating and chronic.”

I’m sure that National Geographic would’ve gotten away with printing such bald faced lies not so long ago. I’m just curious how they expect people to swallow such hogwash now that Covid is no longer just an abstract myth generated by fear mongering headlines and news casts? Everyone has either had covid or knows many people who’ve had it and it’s a tough sell to convince people that 1 in 3 suffer from debilitating long covid when everyone knows this to be factually incorrect.

The lies don’t stop coming!

Hmmm 1 in 3 ????

I now know countless people who have had Covid, but i dont know anyone who is suffering any longterm known effect's

Anybody here had Covid and have ongoing issues or know anyone who has?

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Roadkill Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 10:17am

SG, are all healthcare workers able to access similar support networks through their employment / health system?

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san Guine Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 10:37am

Yeah RK,
We have an employee assistance program, which anyone can access. I can't comment on other health networks. The main thing is admitting you need help, which I owned.
There is quite the culture of 'grin and bear it' or "just get on with it' in healthcare, because our problems often seem insignificant compared too that of our patients

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flollo Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 10:41am
indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Anyone remember the days when National Geographic wasn’t a parody of science and truth? It seems those days are long gone.

Here’s the sub heading from the National Geographic article linked above by Udo:

“For 1 in 3 people who've had COVID-19, the disease turns debilitating and chronic.”

I’m sure that National Geographic would’ve gotten away with printing such bald faced lies not so long ago. I’m just curious how they expect people to swallow such hogwash now that Covid is no longer just an abstract myth generated by fear mongering headlines and news casts? Everyone has either had covid or knows many people who’ve had it and it’s a tough sell to convince people that 1 in 3 suffer from debilitating long covid when everyone knows this to be factually incorrect.

The lies don’t stop coming!

Hmmm 1 in 3 ????

I now know countless people who have had Covid, but i dont know anyone who is suffering any longterm known effect's

Anybody here had Covid and have ongoing issues or know anyone who has?

My wife and one of my sons still coughing a fair bit 2 months later. Not sure if it's covid related.

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stunet Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 10:54am
flollo wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Anyone remember the days when National Geographic wasn’t a parody of science and truth? It seems those days are long gone.

Here’s the sub heading from the National Geographic article linked above by Udo:

“For 1 in 3 people who've had COVID-19, the disease turns debilitating and chronic.”

I’m sure that National Geographic would’ve gotten away with printing such bald faced lies not so long ago. I’m just curious how they expect people to swallow such hogwash now that Covid is no longer just an abstract myth generated by fear mongering headlines and news casts? Everyone has either had covid or knows many people who’ve had it and it’s a tough sell to convince people that 1 in 3 suffer from debilitating long covid when everyone knows this to be factually incorrect.

The lies don’t stop coming!

Hmmm 1 in 3 ????

I now know countless people who have had Covid, but i dont know anyone who is suffering any longterm known effect's

Anybody here had Covid and have ongoing issues or know anyone who has?

My wife and one of my sons still coughing a fair bit 2 months later. Not sure if it's covid related.

I have.

Not a single cough or runny nose for me during COVID, just had a bad bout of tinnitus. The ear ringing has endured and docs think it may for a while yet. It's considered long COVID, but like the original bout isn't considered a typical syndrome.

TBH it's only mildly annoying and seems incomparable to what other people are going through.

The "1 in 3" stat would appear to be rolled gold bullshit.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 11:30am
indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Anyone remember the days when National Geographic wasn’t a parody of science and truth? It seems those days are long gone.

Here’s the sub heading from the National Geographic article linked above by Udo:

“For 1 in 3 people who've had COVID-19, the disease turns debilitating and chronic.”

I’m sure that National Geographic would’ve gotten away with printing such bald faced lies not so long ago. I’m just curious how they expect people to swallow such hogwash now that Covid is no longer just an abstract myth generated by fear mongering headlines and news casts? Everyone has either had covid or knows many people who’ve had it and it’s a tough sell to convince people that 1 in 3 suffer from debilitating long covid when everyone knows this to be factually incorrect.

The lies don’t stop coming!

Hmmm 1 in 3 ????

I now know countless people who have had Covid, but i dont know anyone who is suffering any longterm known effect's

Anybody here had Covid and have ongoing issues or know anyone who has?

I'm about 6/7 weeks in.

I have continuing brochitis like symptoms...I cough and struggle a bit in the colder mornings with breathing.

I am a bit hesitant to get back in the surf yet..as not sure how I will go with exercise, I have tried to walk a bit but after a couple of km's my breathing goes a bit laboured.

I do feel like I am improving daily tho.

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udo Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 1:58pm

Go for a body surf/swim and get that Salt mist into your Lungs...let the waves crash on your back as you cough..works a treat to loosen hack up Flem and clear those Airways - try and catch a decent size lump of it and send off for Sputum Analysis .

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burleigh Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 4:37pm
udo wrote:

Go for a body surf/swim and get that Salt mist into your Lungs...let the waves crash on your back as you cough..works a treat to loosen hack up Flem and clear those Airways - try and catch a decent size lump of it and send off for Sputum Analysis .

Thanks Dr

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udo Tuesday, 7 Jun 2022 at 6:10pm

Burleigh an Orbital Sander does a Fine job of loosening the Flem as well..

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 8 Jun 2022 at 4:46pm

Expelling a near fatal lump of Amgergris used to earn a Whale 10 ton of krill...alas!
Premier's new improved WSR regulation bans Hesitant Whales from the Super Bank Line-Up.

Knock Knock! Hello tbb! Think the crew are talking about coughing up yer lungs...like this!
https://www.livescience.com/64259-giant-lung-shaped-blood-clot.html

tbb used to sand Asbestos + Silica for 20 years...covered head 2 toe in dust for 3hrs - full day at times!
Soggy Mask will suffocate you within 5 mins...best to smoke a pack of fags while yer on the go.
Fight off toxic Dust Clouds with Puffs of toxic Smoke...Ultimate Toxic Bomb incubator!
Tell ya! People swear they see a vaporising ghost & almost dial 000...Lunatic has escaped the Asylum.

Our old school cure for everyday toxic overlode was to swig a pint of coffee milk when yer done...
Strawberry Milk works best but gets vomited out before it hits the spot! (Crew laugh! Spot the newbie!)
Cough up yer guts instantly...good as gold for a Gold in the Arvo!

Experts denounce mean Bosses that hand out Toxic slave's a free milk. (Good az Gold mate!)
Now!
Experts : "Colostrum / Lactoferrin (Milks) are #1 defence against Covid / Respiratory Tract infections

tbb is making that up...maybe / maybe not!
So why are South Gippsland Dairy not being sued by TGA for Pandemic Profiteering or racketeering?
https://sgdairy.com.au/colostrum-helps-covid-recovery

Covid Wake up call hits home! Day one > tbb & crew said Rollout would infect more than not!
tbb's > Brothers/Siss + Daughter & Fiancee / Son ... are all 2/3 Vaxed
All have now suffered & or spread Covid at least once or twice!
All with Post Vax > Infections > Suffering > Lethargy + Stroke...wish them well each'n'every time!
tbb tries to play down the Vax blame game thang...gotta work together as it affects whole families.

Keep asking why tbb is so hesitant to queue up for $Trillion Highly Infectious Mass Health Crisis Rollout.
tbb must be sick in the head or somethin'...or just plain mental.

Bonus heavy breather from yer local Green Grocer.
Eating Stone fruit seeds / unripe berries - Bamboo shoots transforms into Cyanide...& will kill!
Roots & Fungi / Unripened or raw beans, even excess leafy diet of fruits are also poisonous.
Mustard Flower is extremely dainty & pretty but mustard gas killed 100'000s
Chillie Peppers in various forms kill 100's & maim 1,000s
Simply Heating Chile oil would finish off tbb within minutes...yet absolutely crave the stuff!

Supermarket fare presents a far greater Health Crisis than Covid + all Viruses together...all know this!
Food Poisoning : 4.1m cases > 1m GP visits > 31,920 Hospitalizations > 86 d/yr + (Canada -240 d/yr)
Tobacco = 20,000 deaths/yr + Alcohol =160,000 Hospitalizations > 6,000 deaths/yr
Food O.D (Obesity) = 14m cases > 500,000 Hospitalizations/yr > 50,000 deaths/yr
Covid = 7m cases > 60,000 Hospitalizations/yr > 8,000 deaths/yr
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2021/06/australia-reports-mixed-food-safe....

Warning about the underrated power of Fruit'n'Veg Mass Kills!
17th Feb 2020 Karachi Pakistan
Twas the Start of Covid Pandemic...near the local Nuke Plant ...just setting the ultra scary mood!
Usual Sunday Night at Kemari Port as Shipping container of Vegetables was opened...
Lethal Mixed Veg Gas escapes > instantly killing & maiming any that came near...all are unconscious!
100's fled fearing for their lives > 50 taken to Hospital > 15 hospitalized > 6 dead
https://mfame.guru/lethal-gas-from-container-kills/

Can't fool the Kidz > Veges are still way more scary than Covid!

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burleigh Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 11:14am

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/what-is-sads-he...

"Cardiology researchers have previously suggested that the complex effects of pandemic lockdowns would probably lead to more deaths from heart disease – a phenomenon dubbed “post-pandemic stress disorder” by psychologists in the UK"

You can't make this shit up

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burleigh Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 12:15pm

Many double or triple jabbed catching covid for a second time, however im yet to hear of any un jabbed catching covid twice.

Yes i know we are the minority, however my circle is majority unwhacked and nobody or anyone they know unwhacked has caught it twice.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 12:21pm
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Many double or triple jabbed catching covid for a second time, however im yet to hear of any un jabbed catching covid twice.

Yes i know we are the minority, however my circle is majority unwhacked and nobody or anyone they know unwhacked has caught it twice.

So now being unvaccinated helps you preventing caching it twice???

God what a stretch, I'm sure there is many many people who are unvaccinated whom have got Covid twice.

The logic that you dont know anyone who has so it hasn't happened is crazy, i dont know anyone vaccinated that has had Covid twice, i still accept it happens.

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Craig Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 12:31pm

Exactly Indo, don't know anyone who's caught it twice so far but have heard of it happening.

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burleigh Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 12:42pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
burleigh wrote:

Many double or triple jabbed catching covid for a second time, however im yet to hear of any un jabbed catching covid twice.

Yes i know we are the minority, however my circle is majority unwhacked and nobody or anyone they know unwhacked has caught it twice.

So now being unvaccinated helps you preventing caching it twice???

God what a stretch, I'm sure there is many many people who are unvaccinated whom have got Covid twice.

The logic that you dont know anyone who has so it hasn't happened is crazy, i dont know anyone vaccinated that has had Covid twice, i still accept it happens.

It’s not a stretch at all. An unvaccinated human catching the virus, the body does it’s work to eliminate the virus from your body and building a strong immunity to the virus it has fought and won without any man made chemical intervention with no long term safety data.

It doesn’t seem like much of a stretch at all

The crazy part is that being double vaccinated you catch the virus, can get very sick (roadkill) then catch it again.

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burleigh Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 12:41pm
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Exactly Indo, don't know anyone who's caught it twice so far but have heard of it happening.

I know of two people in my surf community that have caught covid twice both are double vaccinated, fit and healthy.

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Craig Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 1:01pm

As you can see, your little bubble and my bubble mean nothing in regards to the much larger scale. Get some larger scale data for your claims and I'll start listening.

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burleigh Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 1:03pm
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As you can see, your little bubble and my bubble mean nothing in regards to the much larger scale. Get some larger scale data for your claims and I'll start listening.

Maybe we can get TBB on to it.

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flollo wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Anyone remember the days when National Geographic wasn’t a parody of science and truth? It seems those days are long gone.

Here’s the sub heading from the National Geographic article linked above by Udo:

“For 1 in 3 people who've had COVID-19, the disease turns debilitating and chronic.”

I’m sure that National Geographic would’ve gotten away with printing such bald faced lies not so long ago. I’m just curious how they expect people to swallow such hogwash now that Covid is no longer just an abstract myth generated by fear mongering headlines and news casts? Everyone has either had covid or knows many people who’ve had it and it’s a tough sell to convince people that 1 in 3 suffer from debilitating long covid when everyone knows this to be factually incorrect.

The lies don’t stop coming!

Hmmm 1 in 3 ????

I now know countless people who have had Covid, but i dont know anyone who is suffering any longterm known effect's

Anybody here had Covid and have ongoing issues or know anyone who has?

My wife and one of my sons still coughing a fair bit 2 months later. Not sure if it's covid related.

I have.

Not a single cough or runny nose for me during COVID, just had a bad bout of tinnitus. The ear ringing has endured and docs think it may for a while yet. It's considered long COVID, but like the original bout isn't considered a typical syndrome.

TBH it's only mildly annoying and seems incomparable to what other people are going through.

The "1 in 3" stat would appear to be rolled gold bullshit.

Hey Stunet, the interesting thing is tinnitus and other associated ear problems are listed as a vaccine side effect. My brother in law suffered some major ear issues including tinnitus shortly following a second dose. Put him out of the water for 3 months, slowly starting to recover. Not saying it is or it isn’t but it is a know side effect and reasonably common as per all vax documentation…

Another friend suffered what’s know as an extreme gout flair up 5-6 days following a shot (also a documented side effect). It was to the point where a bed sheet resting on his big toe caused extreme excruciating pain.. it slowly cleared up but now he is prone to further gout flair ups based of dietary choices (beer etc) which is unfortunate as he was one of my best mates to share a rare or interesting brew with (I’m not talking about slamming 12 Carlton Draughts down at the pub - only the good stuff and in absolute moderation). Now he can barely touch a beer especially anything with body, stouts really punish him

Maybe a good thing, I’ve probably only had 3 beers in a month are are feeling great

Anyway things are possibly not always as seem

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 2:17pm
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Many double or triple jabbed catching covid for a second time, however im yet to hear of any un jabbed catching covid twice.

Yes i know we are the minority, however my circle is majority unwhacked and nobody or anyone they know unwhacked has caught it twice.

So now being unvaccinated helps you preventing caching it twice???

God what a stretch, I'm sure there is many many people who are unvaccinated whom have got Covid twice.

The logic that you dont know anyone who has so it hasn't happened is crazy, i dont know anyone vaccinated that has had Covid twice, i still accept it happens.

It’s not a stretch at all. An unvaccinated human catching the virus, the body does it’s work to eliminate the virus from your body and building a strong immunity to the virus it has fought and won without any man made chemical intervention with no long term safety data.

It doesn’t seem like much of a stretch at all

The crazy part is that being double vaccinated you catch the virus, can get very sick (roadkill) then catch it again.

A vaccinated person is always going to have an advantage over an unvaccinated person, the vaccine basically provides your body with inside information on how to fight the virus.

Buy yes sadly for some people like Roadkill even with this advantage they still get sick, if Roadkill had not been vaccinated though the chances are quite high that he would have been even sicker again, and it sounds like Roadkill got quite sick so if he was unvaccinated it could have been very serious for him.

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udo Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 3:01pm
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stunet Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 3:06pm
ruckus wrote:

Hey Stunet, the interesting thing is tinnitus and other associated ear problems are listed as a vaccine side effect. My brother in law suffered some major ear issues including tinnitus shortly following a second dose. Put him out of the water for 3 months, slowly starting to recover. Not saying it is or it isn’t but it is a know side effect and reasonably common as per all vax documentation…

Cheers Ruckus. I'm not too sure what to make of it; I was double-vaxxed very early in the piece - immunocompromised twins - but then was late to the COVID ball, meaning a long lapse between vax and tinnitus.

Spoke to someone yesterday who dealt with it through antibiotics, which was surprising news. Sounded dubious, but regardless, I booked into see my doc.

PS: I've got the ringing right now...

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ruckus Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 4:30pm
stunet wrote:
ruckus wrote:

Hey Stunet, the interesting thing is tinnitus and other associated ear problems are listed as a vaccine side effect. My brother in law suffered some major ear issues including tinnitus shortly following a second dose. Put him out of the water for 3 months, slowly starting to recover. Not saying it is or it isn’t but it is a know side effect and reasonably common as per all vax documentation…

Cheers Ruckus. I'm not too sure what to make of it; I was double-vaxxed very early in the piece - immunocompromised twins - but then was late to the COVID ball, meaning a long lapse between vax and tinnitus.

Spoke to someone yesterday who dealt with it through antibiotics, which was surprising news. Sounded dubious, but regardless, I booked into see my doc.

PS: I've got the ringing right now...

Ahhhh sorry to hear the ears are ringing right now and of your twins immunocompromised issues :(

I’ll check in with my brother in law to see what helped him. He can no longer go in the water without surf ears or the like as he has suffered some permanent damage to his ears unfortunately.

In your case it may possibly be an isolated event given the separation but who knows.

Hope you find some relief and improvement real soon. If you go down the antibiotics path make sure you get on a high quality probiotic as well as antibiotics can and will decimate or severely unbalance your natural gut microbiome / flora & fauna - best to be proactive in the matter

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icandig Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 4:23pm

As I've written somewhere on the forums before, I was smashed pretty hard by COVID. This was early April. Around a month later I developed what I can only call a "fluttering" in my ear. It is a maddening movement inside my ear with no pain, but I can feel it and hear it. Keeps me awake, stresses me out. I liken it to a nerve twitch; sometimes persistent other times with nothing at all. I've blamed it variously on wax, a drilled exostosis two years ago, nerves, stress or fuck knows what else. Now I'm wondering if it's a lingering effect of the virus.

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flow Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 4:29pm

I don't think I've had covid. However when I was 21 I perforated my ear drum. Ever since then if I ever get sick that same ear gets sore. It's like a weak part of my body.

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H2O Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 7:35pm

Stu and others. I got tinnitus pretty much straight after booster vax. Never suffered from it before. No COVID that I know of but then again the vax gives you some if it doesn’t it?Respective ears drilled about 8 and 5 years ago No issues there apart from some regrowth. Had hearing test done after I got the T . All good there too. Tech lady who did hearing test says it’s a noise coming from your brain not through auditory canal. Only a bit annoying when no other background noises like just before you go to sleep. Interesting to get others stories.

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stunet Thursday, 9 Jun 2022 at 7:49pm

Still got it H20, or is it being treated?