COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 5:41pm

"Then again, if the messenger and the message are "laughable", what do you call the public regurgitators?"

The Laughable Pukers?

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 5:20pm

Oh FFS indo-dreaming.
Go look at the footage of the BLM protest in Melbourne. Virtually every single person is wearing a mask.
If you think people watched that protest and thought to themselves, "fuck it, all those people in masks are out protesting, I think I will go to the pub despite my cold" or "I won't fuck that chick in the quarantine hotel", you're an idiot.
Covid 19 spread because individuals acted stupidly, across all religions, races, creeds and colours. When lockdown was announced, people were given 24 hours to get their affairs in order. And what the fuck did so many Melbourne people do? They went to the pub and did trips to the Mornington Peninsula and Yarra Valley. Sydney is just as bad now according to a mate. Fucking people everywhere not distancing.
I'm going to say it: Ignoring this shit behaviour of idiots when cases were rising rapidly, and pointing your finger at the masked BLM protestors when new cases were very low makes you look a little bit racist.

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mattlock commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 5:52pm

Or maybe just an Indiot.

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 5:32pm
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sypkan commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 5:45pm

there's pedantic semantics, as you might expect from such a body

its more about what is not said

and what is said and then mysteriously morphs and disappears, like what indo talked about, danny boy was pretty forth coming, ...for a period..

I really dont give a fuck either way, it is what it is now, but there's a heap of community transmission going on, and it just seems everyone is looking the other way, whilst proceeding to tie themselves in knots

either way, the protests would have definitely made many people question the whole social contract thing

you see 10 000 people breaking rules, yeh a heap of people are gonna go well fuck this, thats just how humans operate

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 6:05pm

"you see 10 000 people breaking rules, yeh a heap of people are gonna go well fuck this, thats just how humans operate"
So did those "fuck this" people react the same way when the aspen set started spreading the virus throughout Toorak, Sydney's Eastern Suburbs and the Mornington Peninsula in March? Did they also see all the anti-5G nutters and say "fuck this, I couldn't be arsed following expert advice anymore"? What about the AFL? Did the "fuck this" mob see players high fiving and think it was time to relax? Or was it just the BLM protest that brought out that attitude?

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sypkan commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 6:44pm

nah, its a bit of all of the above, but 10,000 people is a pretty significant event....

much more so than a few hundred 5G nutters rambling around

yet you thought that was the end of the world, banging on forever about it, the stupid and irresponsible people, how flabberghasted you were at them being so selfish and putting the public at risk....

yet you dont seem to share the same concerns about the recent protests, none whatsoever in fact

bizarre

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:13pm

Crew want News, but are yet to come to terms with next's [HEADLINE]

Coming Soon on your ABC Monday 20th July 2020

Q & A Welcomes ~ Vic Sen. Sarah Henderson:
" Good evening viewers: " Daniel Andrews blames Law Abiding Victorian Families for doing the Wrong Thing rather than 10,000 [ ILLEGAL PROTESTERS ]"

Ok! So the crew already read that Paper...tbb is also having Fish & Chips!
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jul/17/black-lives-matter-protest...

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:40pm

Viclocal I shouldn't need to explain this as it's just common sense.

Why is it different for 5G protest?

Firstly it helps that most people saw them as conspiracy theorist, then there was only 100 people and then 10 got arrested and protest were condemned by media

Hence the CORRECT message was sent to the public, that message was it's not currently acceptable to protest as we all know we have a pandemic and doing so you are breaking the law.

This didnt happen with the BLM protest, the normal strong and direct talk from Dan threatening people with fines etc (even for things like fishing alone) wasn't there, it was "please dont go type talk instead"

For months we had been told how this virus is highly contagious and something to be taken seriously and we need to do this and that etc and if we dont we are bad people and not doing our part.

Then the next day it didn't matter that we had an infectious virus in the community it was like we magically hit some pause button, 10K people out on the streets together...hey no problem, no fines (bar the organisers), negative media condemning them?...maybe some odd story but in general, no no problem great cause thats all thats important..

Seriously im kind of speechless that you cant see how damaging that was to the broader public and how damaging the mixed messaging was from Dan Andrews.

As for AFL players obviously people understand that AFL players are professional athletes that even back then were trying to keep contact free from others outside of the AFL bubble and all monitored and tested for Covid-19, im pretty sure 99.9% of the public understand this.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:34pm

"yet you dont seem to share the same concerns about the recent protests, none whatsoever in fact

bizarre"

It's obviously only because what the protest were about one was a topic he rightly see's as a bunch of fruit cakes and pointless and then one he rightly supports, but the virus doesn't give a shit if your a 5G protestor or a BLM protestor.

Big difference between 100 protestors compared to 10K protestors though, risk with 10K protestors is quite literally 100 times worse.

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stunet commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:36pm

"...and protests were condemned by media"

No they weren't. ScoMo said the 5G crew had a right to protest. Called it a "free country".

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blowfly commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:39pm

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blowfly commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:38pm

sypkan, if you want to discuss the transmission of the virus, you would not limit yourself to one issue, particularly since there is no real evidence that it was significant. Yet you bang on about the BLM protests with no consideration of the very significant clusters in aged care centres and only the briefest references to the tower blocks. So yep, it absolutely sounds like "I'm not a racist but......" You might have even got away with it if your track record over virtually every issue you address was not exactly the same. Find a point of division based on race and hammer that while ignoring everything else. An admirer of David Duke by any chance?

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:47pm

Whatever Indo-Dreaming, I've seen an incredible number of people "sending the wrong message" re social distancing. The PM at the footy the other day being a prime example.
I don't know if you live in Victoria, but we've seen an endless stream of Liberal Party politicians on the news banging on about social distancing rules being too tough in Victoria. Their social media output has been absolutely fucking insane. And these c$nts then turn around and say "the BLM protests sent the wrong message". It's a shameless way to shift blame away from themselves for people ignoring the recommendations from medical professionals.
But of course, you'll only see the BLM protestors sending the wrong message. You will dutifully ignore the scumbag politicians who have been sending out thoroughly irresponsible messages trying to score political points. I know who is a much bigger threat, and it's not the mask wearing protestors.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:50pm

Hey Indo, was Scumo's "It's a free country" nod and a wink to the anti-5G nutters a) sending a wrong messages or b) going to be ignored by you because it doesn't suit your one-eyed dog whistling agenda?

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 7:54pm

Nobody said anything about Scomo, but here is an article to remind you guys how they were treated and dealt with (and rightly so)

"Police have arrested 10 protesters after a violent clash in Melbourne’s city centre.

Protesters defied orders to stay home this Mother’s Day and were met with a significant police request.
Melbourne’s Parliament House has been swarmed with protesters on Sunday picketing against vaccinations and a 5G network.

In a statement, Victoria Police said that while they respect the public’s right to protest, their top priority is community safety.

“Victoria Police made it very clear that if a planned protest was to proceed today, it would be in direct contravention of the Chief Health Officer’s current directives.”

At the protest on Spring Street today, police arrested 10 people, including two organisers of the event.

The majority of those arrested were for failing to comply with the Chief Health Officer’s directions.

Three of the offenders will also be charged with assaulting a police officer, and another offender will be charged with “discharging a missile” after allegedly throwing a bottle at police.

All offenders were released pending summons.

As a result of the protest activity, a police officer was taken to hospital with a suspected rib injury.

Police said that once they began making arrests, the crowd started to disperse.

Police are working to identify other people who were in attendance.

They will be issuing them with fines and will consider any other enforcement options".

https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavirus/violent-clash-arrests-and-injuri...

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inzider commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:01pm

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/coronavirus-black-lives-matter-pro...
OK so any half wit knows that the paper is just the paper and cant be taken as gospel. The fact remains that if some fucktard at BLM protest had the "rona" and then went and visited his refugee junkie mates in the towers then there is a possibility the community transmission happened. No offence to the non junkie refugee tenants intended, but those towers should have been demolished years ago.
Que the outrage at my stereotyping generalizations

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:05pm

Do you seriously think the police could or should have started hauling BLM protestors away? I don't think you've thought of the practicalities of doing that. How many should have been arrested and where were they going to take them? How were they going to get transported to a cell? And what happens if things kicked off? So assuming they hauled a bunch of people off into cells, were they still going to socially isolate them in custody? What about lawyers getting called in? Court cases for those arrested?
Have you worked it out yet? Police took the only sensible option and let the protest go ahead, made sure it was peaceful and then got everyone home ASA practical. I know the peaceful nature of the protest must have irked you, but cracking skulls and hauling hundreds/thousands of people to cells was never going to happen.
And BTW, the organisers were fined.

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blowfly commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:10pm

I can't access the link but thanks anyway. The evidence seems to be that the BLM protest was not linked to the towers.

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sypkan commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:24pm

blindboy you're an unreasonable fuckwit, triggered to the most regressive of regressive pathetic putdowns, ...again...

all your examples are known clusters, there is now unknown transmission in melbourne, it would be irresponsible to not consider a massive public gathering where people may wish to keep their presence at quiet. simple as that

if that makes me a kkk nazi or something, well, thats says more about your twisted worldview than mine

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:34pm

Here's a basic reality.
Conservatives have been absolutely desperate to play the race card with Covid 19.
They've banged on with some absolutely crazy anti-Chinese conspiracy theories. Sharri Markson's 5 eyes dossier was a fucking joke and a bunch of conservative politicians jumped on that bandwagon. What's happened to that story? Like all embarrassing beat ups it got dropped pretty quickly.
They've tried desperately to link the BLM protests with the outbreak and have brought zero evidence to the table.
Peta Credlin's attack on the South Sudanese was so pathetic and inaccurate, she actually did a very un-conservative thing, and made a grovelling apology.
And Bolt's claim that multiculturalism has made Victoria vulnerable was just text book racism.
Indo-dreaming, I'm happy to listen to conservative opinions, but it's getting harder and harder to find them that aren't dripping with ugly racism. When you and your fellow traveller push this BLM link with no evidence, it makes you look like a racist or a useful idiot. There's no other choice.

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inzider commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:35pm

Fuck me dead
Just on the cusp of controlling the "rona"people started taking the piss, example, protesting in the thousands
I just shows you that some people let their "guard" down,( pun intended)
Melbourne has colectively kooked it and is going over the falls. I sincerely hope it can handle the hold down.

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blowfly commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:44pm

"there is now unknown transmission in melbourne, it would be irresponsible to not consider a massive public gathering where people may wish to keep their presence at quiet. simple as that"

Except that it has already been the subject of considerable study and no link has been found. If new evidence comes along then by all means draw our attention to it. Until then maybe stop banging on with unsubstantiated claims based on nothing more than your own prejudices.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 8:46pm

inzider, While I agree with your post, why is it only the BLM protest that gets highlighted? The government announced the lockdown was coming in 24 hours and what did Melbournians do? They went to the pub/cafe/regions in huge numbers.
The conservative media and politicians have pointed the finger at BLM people who are never going to vote for the Liberal Party. They've ignored the shit behaviour of others because they don't want to upset their readers and all important swinging voters.
Scapegoating the BLM protestors is really chucking rocks from the cheap seats. Especially when there's no evidence the BLM protests have spread the virus.

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inzider commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 9:29pm

Last post I wrote
"Collectively kooked it."
BLM just stuck out like dogs balls.
Easy fodder for sensational journalism.
Lapped up by the brainwashed masses.
It's going to take a miracle to control the "rona" thus time round. I'm in NZ happily going to the pub and going surfing. Months since last known community transmission. Yet the missus is in Victoria and has been for 7 weeks. Fuck knows when my kids will see there mum again. The behaviour of the masses has fucked my family over financially and emotionally.
Selfish people have fucked it up for a lot of people.

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batfink commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 9:46pm

I'm with you Inzider. If you go back to the few posts I have made about this, you will see I advocated for elimination from the start, from before lockdowns in Oz. Were you one of the NZer's arguing that Ardern had lost the plot?

We would be free of this by now if we had leaders worth the name. We don't , you do.

Good luck to you and family, that is a shit situation.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 9:47pm

I hear and feel for you inzider. People have been hurt badly with this second lockdown and I've got no time for the crew who are pointing the finger at their political enemies and blaming them for the entire shit show. This type of shit creates a situation where people aren't accountable for their own actions.
Gee a functioning trace and track app would be really handy right now. Rather than fix the shit app, the federal government are blaming Andrews for pretty much everything and paying tiktok influences to try and get kids to download the app. How about, admitting it doesn't work and fixing the fucking thing? The problem is, politicians want to be the good news people. They have all made mistakes and most don't own them. They are telling the voting public what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And now we are deep shit because politicians aren't accountable and too many people just don't give a fuck about their fellow citizens.

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inzider commented Friday, 17 Jul 2020 at 10:24pm

I actively bagged out Ardern for her govts response for not helping Kiwi FIFO workers who didn't qualify for help because they worked in OZ but lived in NZ.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 1:50am

Hillsong Gig 10,000's (2 wks No SD/Masks) inside at Hot Spot -112 cases / 2 dead
https://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2020/03/colour-conference-2020-day-1...

BLM Rally 10,000 (1day / Masks / 0.5m -3m Placards) Outside .0 cases on eve!
https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.378%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/be2a64008f57a818ba7d501a4f043fc017de954e

Scomos > Red Hot Spot- Hillsong Crowd plagued 14 x longer than > All clear BLM.
Given lockdown graphs, all can see the massive difference in Crowds & viral risk.
Scomo was 14 x more risky without doubt but [BLM] were fined not Hillsong.

March : PM was being advised to Lock Down...

Tues 3rd March 10,000's crowd flood in for 2 week Hillsong Colour Conference.
Thu 5th -PM : South Korea Travel Ban
NSW 25 Corona cases (OZ 55) (Rising Fast)

Fri 6th..(Records 1st Syd Coronavirus death)
NSW Health Declare War on Covid + All staff on call / 80 Med Staff in isolation!.
Unis ban travel + NSW Ed MP flags school closures + ban school holiday travel.

8th AHPPC Advises recent o/s travellers not to attend events / Hillsong conference!
Ruby Princess Syd ('Medium Risk') Off loads 158 Corona Virus cases

13th Fri (Level 3)
Dutto gets the Virus & PM spreads it over his Hillsong flock on the Sunday.
DFAT Reconsider your need to Travel
PM announces 500+ Ban...(Syd Cricket plays to zero crowd)
F1 / Easter Show / Multicultural events all cancelled
PM: Sorry! I mean't after > Sat night Shark's game +Brian's Hillsong finale on Sun'.
PM begrudgingly sin bins himself from Shark's Game. (Bad case of Dutto Bug!)

PM was copping it for his first grubby unhealthy politicising of Pandemic misery.
Later Hillsong Ruby, Frontline Easter, Cardinal Pell No Quarantine, App (long list)

14th Sat - Launch of Covid 19 Campaign.
(Hot Spot-Sydney 112 cases + 2 deaths / (OZ - 227 cases +3 deaths)
Ruby Princess said to now have 4 cases?

15th Sun (1st National Cabinet)
PM: Ban on all Cruise Ships ( Not the ones with Hillsong pass) Ruby Princess etc...
Sydney Hillsong Colour Conference (2 weeks o/s crowd 10,000's winds up)
PM: Moshes Oz President Brian's Gig! Spreading his Covid Dutto Germs
https://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2020/03/colour-conference-2020-day-1...

CMO Brendon Murphy : There is no immediacy about this...
It wouldn't have mattered if they'd made a decision one or two days either side.
Medicos had lectured Dr Brendon on flattening the Curve...(Fri... not Monday!)

19th - Ruby Princess (Covid Cases)> Downgraded to "Low Health Risk?" WTF.
Hillsong Hawke leans on NSW > Hillsong & 'in laws' disperse without a trace
Hillsong NSW #1Cop couldn't find Hillsong fugitives or Hillsong Angus's docket.

31st March Hillsong spread the Love thru City > 79 on Ruby...Syd-2,032 + 10 {rip}
Note: 1,293 o/s acquired cases (Hillsong was biggest-longest o/s event in March?)
Hillsong PM interjects Hillsong Cop's inquiry into Hillsong MP's -700 cases /23 {rip}
Hillsong is labelled South Seas biggest viral killer since Cooks Endeavour.

Here's Newscorp's harsh treatment dished out to PM & Hillsong.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE...

If you're going after BLM then fairly lay 100 fold blame at PM's Hillsong feet.
There's a more serious case of flogging fake miracle cure Covid app! > Go to Jail.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 9:37am

Hillsong can’t do preaching, that’s no sermonising ..... you gotta do it right boy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=FLC2UHVZPVSWgiOdg1W1hOMg&v=xbq0OuJtErs&...

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 10:29am

"When you and your fellow traveller push this BLM link with no evidence, it makes you look like a racist or a useful idiot. There's no other choice."

I dont care if you call me racist you think everyone is racist, that's your method of trying to silence people, like sypkan pointed out, you were vocal about condemning 5G protest but the subject matter of BLM protest changed your view.

Like i said Covid-19 doesnt care if the protest cause is good or bad it just cares about numbers the more people the more risky.

Government state and federal and police should have said people will risk fines if they attend like they did with other protest and they should have dealt with organisers as harshly as possible ideally jail time because fines would not be paid out of their pockets so would be pointless..

Ideally written fines should have been handed out if possible even if only 100 fines were given at each protest it would have sent many home just the risk would put people off..

Scomo and state leaders and police should have said clearly now is not the time to protest we dont care what your cause is the publics health is more important and being consistent in the message to public just as important.

Thats just a big problem the message that was sent, at least NSW can say they at least tried to some degree, if other states like Victoria had backed them up and done the same then im sure they could have been stopped.

And if they had at least now if we had an outbreak we would know it wasn't because of any protest or mixed messaging, but now half the public or whatever aren't going to believe that protest aren't the cause in someway and you have no way of proving they didnt change attitudes.

You can claim there is no link between protest and spike but the reality is we have a spike mostly due to people letting down their guard and not social distancing etc, if you cant accept the fact that what people see others doing influences how they react, well thats your problem.

Even the chief medical officer Brendan Murphy said this below in late June. (and he is obviously going to avoid calling things out and stirring up shit so expect its toned down)

"We probably were lucky to have not seen major transmission at any of these events," he said.

However, he did agree that the protests set a "bad example for others and maybe have contributed to people gathering in larger numbers".

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 11:50am

Jailing protest organisers? On what charge? This is how fascist states Act. What is it with conservatives’ absolute contempt for democratic norms? You’re just like the CCP. And you lot wonder why some people are concerned with your mob.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 12:01pm

And BTW INDO. I accept that the virus spread is caused by people letting down their guard. What I refuse to accept is the sheer hypocrisy of conservatives spending three months complaining about distancing laws being too harsh and then pointing their fingers at BLM protests. Especially when there is no evidence the protest caused any spread at all.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 12:32pm

Well if organisers had been threatened with jail time and protest didn't go ahead, there is a good chance Victoria wouldn't be in the situation it is now.

Surely being responsible for putting the health of millions of Victorians at risk can come under some serious charge.

BTW. Feel free to find cut and paste comments where i complain about social distancing or been against restrictions, I've only complained about not being able to fish alone like others states could, id expect if Dan banned surfing and other states could still surf you would whinge too.

The problem with Daniel Andrews is he didnt take an Australian wide approach, he wanted to do everything different all his own way and the results have shown him to fail while other states have been successful so far.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Distracted commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 12:32pm

Not good news on the virus transmission front for minks with mass culls to occur in Europe due to COVID-19 being identified in mink farms and in the farm workers.
Potential implications are the virus spreading through native animal populations, possibly jumping to other species plus risk of further mutations and transmission back to humans in a different form.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53439263

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 1:38pm

"The problem with Daniel Andrews is he didnt take an Australian wide approach, he wanted to do everything different"
Indo, Can you point to exactly where Andrews took a different approach? And don't say private security guards at quarantine hotels because that practice has been widespread across multiple states.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 3:39pm

I saw a good article on the differences somewhere that explained how he went off on his own trip, but cant seem to find it...but anyway

Restrictions: We know Dan went much harder on restrictions than other states, most states took a very similar approach to each other a well balanced sensible approach, Dan was unreasonable and had some restrictions that other states didnt have, i expect he was trying to be a hero but ironically has been the only leader so far to fail.

Quarantine: yes other states did also use private security, but they were overseen by police and even soldiers and private security given proper training unlike in Victoria where private security even caught and spread the virus.

Those with fevers in other states like NSW are also taken to a different hotel managed by NSW Health.

In other states everything is also overseen by department of health, but not in Victoria it was just overseen by department of jobs precincts and regions and we even had security guards shagging those in Quarantine.

The sad thing is Victoria will probably not vote him out even with us being the laughing stock of Australia and other issues like branch staking and the China belt road thing.

Sadly Melbourne is full of left leaning yuppies and hipsters.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 4:34pm

A neighbour and an always right never left mate trots out the same tripe. Dan the Dictator this Dan that, my eyes glaze over and they know I'm not listening. What I know is their views are formed by the Herald Sun (a Murdoch pictorial written to a level your average illiterate 15 year can understand it), Sky/Fox (more Murdoch) and right wing accounts they follow on Facebook ... yep that's balance for you. My mate sees his bias and that engaging in all the Facebook chatter isn't good for him and has recently deleted the app from his phone.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 6:56pm

Indo Indo Indo, Nothing more than half truths and massive omissions to your very confused argument.
You are literally arguing that Dan Andrews sent the wrong message by not throwing protestors in jails and then said he went too far with lockdown laws.
Tell us all Indo: When Dan Andrews introduced the toughest lockdown laws in the country, was he a) sending the message that this is serious or B) sending the message that you can relax because it's not really a problem?
We all know (and you probably know it yourself,) that Dan Andrews could have set any lockdown laws, from the mildest to the toughest, and you'd still have a go at him.
Yes there was a stuff up wth hotel quarantine in Victoria, but you forgot to tell everyone, Victoria was only given 24 hour before the Federal Government started bringing in the international passengers. That's another stuff up from your beloved Liberal Party, but hey Get Dan, he's the fall guy. And gee a functioning covid tracking app would be very handy right now. Any comments on that farce or you still on the get dan program?

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 6:57pm

Always funny when people try to write my views and others off as coming from Murdoch media.

The reality is I rarely read Murdoch media it's not that i dont want to i honestly would if it was easily accessible online but it's generally paywalled, the Herald Sun online id say 95% of it is Paywalled as are all the other more local papers that have the same or similar articles.

And who buys paper these days only time i get to read a paper is if i buy it which is rare or if i go to the bakery or machos at lunch, yes the herald sun its written for the common man/women its very easy to digest and read thats not a bad thing, but it's also the only media where you can find opposing views and angles on different issues often alongside each other i guess because its trying to cater for a wide audience, opposed to niche media outlets.

Otherwise only articles online i read from Murdoch media are from the Australian but they only let you read a couple per week before you get a Paywall..

So im generally forced to read other media like ABC not to mention most work days i listen to the ABC.

Personally im pretty careful of what info I take from social media if it's sounds a bit off, i will do a fact check on it.

If a topic interest me i will then read what ever media there is out there right or left, i want to read as many views as possible to get the big picture.

But then there are some things where you dont even need to read anything, like the protest turn on the TV and see crowds of 10K people out on the streets in the middle of a pandemic, i dont need any media outlet to tell me how crazy that is or how i and other react to seeing that happen.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 7:08pm

In theory Dan should be the man, he went hard it should have paid off, but it didnt because he didnt complete what he set out to do.

Going hard or doing a good job on something is pointless unless you follow through all the way and continue doing a good job and be consistent.

All the other states didn't go as hard but seems they were more consistent and are reaping the benefits of that consistency.

It's like the old cliche of the turtle and the hare, the hare sprinted and then ran out of puff, while the turtle took his time but was consistent from start to finish and ended up winning the race.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 7:24pm

Indo. This is how ridiculous your argument is. You criticise Andrews for going too hard with lockdown while completely ignore the conservatives politicians and media who aggressively undermined the Victorian lockdown laws for three months. Good luck trying to sustain that argument. .

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 18 Jul 2020 at 11:40pm

New South Wales Border Police ... RVT
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/sammy-j

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 1:06am

tbb can point out that the approaches are different at each Runway.
Scomo's mistress scored free Border Force Cops / ADF porters / Red Cross swabs.
Sydney billed every other Premier $3,000 a head for their grubs soiling her Airport.
NSW has Top Shelf gear & gets Oz to pay her slate. PM: It's different in each state.

PM told Labor bloke (Not his girlfriend) to ease up on the #2 Airport (50/50 spend)
PM said he'll pay half for some [457] slaves, but not on that fancy Newstart wage.
That's why both ignore each other as if neither are to blame.(Wot! No one noticed!)

If Gladys reopens Qld/NSW Tick Gates then Daniel gets a crack at the ADF.
PM slobbered into his Gal's ear...give that bitch nothing > QLD poll stalemate
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b85aebd97e79d22cb6c994784e720659?wid...

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views from the ... commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 6:58am

Yuck! they're almost pashing!

Still not convinced theres enough continuing deaths (unless old or compromised) to warrant all this fear and political bullying.
Media culpable- have I seen 1 interview with a Covid positive person who said "Yep it was pretty much benign" ?
Nope
Instead, focus on the positive numbers (horror) or the few who have long term issues or died, etc

Try this: (17/07/202020) As of today, 1,233 people are in hospital in England with COVID-19, a drop of 92.8% from the peak on April 12th

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 9:45am

Views. I bet you an ice cold Bintang, brought to me at a fancy hotel in Padang that the figures in England turn to shit, and they have double the number of Covid 19 patients in hospital within two months.
If you don’t recognise me, I’m the thirsty looking bloke in the lounge chair by the pool.
You have to bring the Bintang to me personally and say “Vic local you were right. Well played sir”.

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zenagain commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 10:01am

Lordy you're conceited Vic.

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factotum commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 10:27am

Hey TBB, any mention of NTs only cases, and their origin?

All the way, with Donald J.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 11:07am

May as well get a free beer off a mate.
But in all seriousness, what fucking planet is Boris living on? there’s very few examples of countries avoiding second waves after governments reopening their economies/decrease social distancing laws. It’s like he thinks English people are special and the fricken obvious increase in infections doesn’t apply to them. “Back to normal by November?” What a dangerous fucking arseclown.

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 19 Jul 2020 at 12:10pm

Consider the following scenario.
A vaccine is found to be effective and safe.
Production goes into full swing and it's distributed first to countries that need it the most.
The USA and Brazil get priority. Australia and NZ are at the back of the queue.
Indonesia (and many other countries) introduce health passports, only allowing vaccinated people into their country.
Aussies and Kiwis miss another season in Indo while the yanks and the brazzos get the green light because they have access to the vaccine before us.
If that happened, the idiot nations get a prize for electing fuckwit presidents.
Discuss...

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