COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:35am
adam12 wrote:

Robo hopes BB is not a surfer.
Yo Robo, back in the 70's (and beyond),, BB along with Phil Jarrett was Australia's leading surf writer, painted pictures in the minds of surfers in the days before the internet, there when pro surfing began, traveled and surfed and documented all the greats. More cred in his little finger than you will have in your lifetime. You can debate him but you should be careful calling out his credibility as a surfer.

TBH, he’s not doing a very good job debating him.

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monkeyboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:40am
blindboy wrote:

monkeyboy we know that the mRNA vaccines have a very low risk of serious cardiac problems (pericardium and myocarditis). Your study identifies an increase in inflammation post vaccine that may be related to such cases and calculates that this inflammation also roughly doubles the 5 year risk of acute coronary syndrome.
This raises the issue of the size of the initial risk. If the initial risk was 1% then doubling it to 2% is insignificant. If the initial risk was 10% then that would be much more serious. If you can find population data on that risk it would be useful to know. I tend to think it would be very low for most people. Happy to be corrected. There is also the issue of the persistence of the inflammation post vaccine. The doubling figure seems to be based on that maintaining over the full five years, which seems unlikely.
Robo embarrasses himself again. Why advertise your ignorance?

BB you are probably right.

So many studies, so many stats, only two opinions !! It's a bit mind numbing.

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future :)

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:43am

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:45am
adam12 wrote:

Robo hopes BB is not a surfer.
Yo Robo, back in the 70's (and beyond),, BB along with Phil Jarrett was Australia's leading surf writer, painted pictures in the minds of surfers in the days before the internet, there when pro surfing began, traveled and surfed and documented all the greats. More cred in his little finger than you will have in your lifetime. You can debate him but you should be careful calling out his credibility as a surfer.

proof?

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:45am
adam12 wrote:

Robo hopes BB is not a surfer.
Yo Robo, back in the 70's (and beyond),, BB along with Phil Jarrett was Australia's leading surf writer, painted pictures in the minds of surfers in the days before the internet, there when pro surfing began, traveled and surfed and documented all the greats. More cred in his little finger than you will have in your lifetime. You can debate him but you should be careful calling out his credibility as a surfer.

proof?

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frog Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:46am

Worth a watch - on the difference between spike proteins in the vaccine and the virus itself.
Key point:
- if you are worried about the 2 spike proteins in a vaccine that are "fused" i.e. like syringes that are stuck so they can't penetrate the cell, then you should be very worried about covid itself with 26 active spike proteins on the virus that can do their thing in multiple organs.

And the pandemic impacts from a hard data source - life insurers:

https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/insurance-death-rates-working-age-peo...

"Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three sigma or 200-year catastrophe would be a 10 percent increase over pre-pandemic levels,” Davison said. “So, 40 percent is just unheard of.”

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:47am
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

No. Why? Government had 2 years to sort this shit out, yet they built covid jails and spent the entire time coercing people into an experiment.

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zenagain Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:48am

See this is where I kinda get confused. The Nature article above posted by BB raises more questions to me than it answers. For example (and I'm paraphrasing here) it mentions the disparity between vaccination rates of wealthy countries and poor countries. I had a look at Tanzania compared to Oz, a population double the size with roughly 2% having received only one dose against 90+% in Oz fully vaxxed.

Tanzania is reporting roughly 400 odd new infections daily for total of around 30k since the beginning of the pandemic and about 800 deaths. Compare this to Australia of over 500k infections and 2.5k deaths.

Of course the reporting between the two countries will be demonstrably different but based on a quick search from what I would consider a pretty trustworthy source, If you take the middle ground when looking at the figures between both countries the difference is stark.

And for the record here in case anyone wants to get all shouty at me- I am double vaxxed, pro-vax and vehemently anti-mandate.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countrie...

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:48am
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:50am
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:53am

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:53am
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:58am
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:22pm

tbb salutes the crew for unearthing Novak's Centre Court GM Worm Farm.
Here's wot the ball girls served up earlier...

Novel Twin GM Pharma/Farma rap sheet...

*GM Giants are wanking over miracle GM Vax for flicking the devil off their shoulder.
*Frankenfood gets scraped off the Slab & get served up as tomorrows Hash.
*[ I can't breathe ] EU Big Pharma temporarily lifts knee from Big Farma's acidic esophagus..

Oct 2018 - April 2019 GMO regulations of Novel investigative Vax > (May contain traces of Batshit)
https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/66363

GM Which Trials
June 2020 "In case of Emergency" EU will race to rubber stamp buckets of GM Green $lime...
https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/eu-goes-easy-on-g...

Rollout ....Who's up first? Oh! The Big Farma EU knee jerk reaction! ...well durr!

Phase 1 Stick to the way we told you...and no one gets hurt! Why aren't You Listening!

Jan 2021 "The intersection of Agri-Vax in EU Regulatory Hypocrisy!" (Where's our Mutant tea strainer?)
https://www.fb.org/viewpoints/the-intersection-of-agricultural-innovatio...

Feb - Is the Pandemic a "Turning Point" in GMO Regulation?"
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1746-692X.12301

March "You've had the Jab, so what's wrong with GM Food?" (Actually the real Title or Ad maybe!)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youve-had-the-gm-jab-so-whats-wrong-w...

May 2021 Will GM Vax modify EU can of Novel Frankenfood (Another real title!)
https://www.marketplace.org/2021/05/03/will-genetically-modified-vaccine...

Intermission...brought to you by the overly ripe but Oh so sweet ...Super Juicy Vaxmato.
https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/05/gmo-tomato-as-edible...

Phase 2 (Boomer Side Effects) Starting to feel a bug breaking outta my stomach!

June - Vax has 'weakened' the Anti GMO movement... (That's supposed read 'Killed' as in Dead!)
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/covid-19-vaccines-have-weakened-...

July Uniquely Disgusting? Physiological Disgust & attitudes toward GM Food & Health Tech!
tbb swears he's not making this shit up....another real title!
https://jcom.sissa.it/archive/20/07/JCOM_2007_2021_A05

Phase 3 (Oz GM Rollout)

2020/21 Oz GM Approvals > *Ongoing
Let's rollout Daggy Dad's slurry of Novel Emergency Covid Vaxed GM Crops - Poll backers
Roll up yer sleeves for Deputy PM's NP Vax enhanced GM Poll Donors.
More Vax = More Donors for the Coalition of the Genetically Modified Freakshow.
https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consumer/gmfood/applications/Pages/defa...
GM Potato Crops (SPS)
GM Corn Crops ( Dow 2x brews + Bayer )
GM Soy Crops ( BASF )
GM Canola Crops ( *Bayer )
GM Wheat Crops (*Trigall)

GM Microbial Mutant Experiment Base Camps
Impossible Foods Inc ( Yes! That's their real evil Dr No name! ) They do Mutant Meat / Soy creatures.

Mass Vax Boom in GM Infant Formula containing ( 2'-O- fucosyllactose )
3 companies with the Escherichia coli Strain.
Dec 2021 (NZ Paper)
https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/code/applications/Documents/01_A1233_SD...

Dutto : "It's a new *StarShots Strain* * for the Chinese infantry! Comes in Trolley Sized Doses!"

Qld's Boeing Bong Factory / GM Quarantine plant for Long Covid Euro Trash Mutant Strain Hash

More than enough to upset the stomach of Dan's Novel Exempt Athletes...
Salute to crew for breaching the master mutant chef angle...too bloody smart you all are!
tbb : "Wotz eating you ...mate!"

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gsco Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:05pm
adam12 wrote:

Robo hopes BB is not a surfer.
Yo Robo, back in the 70's (and beyond),, BB along with Phil Jarrett was Australia's leading surf writer, painted pictures in the minds of surfers in the days before the internet, there when pro surfing began, traveled and surfed and documented all the greats. More cred in his little finger than you will have in your lifetime. You can debate him but you should be careful calling out his credibility as a surfer.

BB ≡ Captain Goodvibes?

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:05pm
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:08pm
gsco wrote:
adam12 wrote:

Robo hopes BB is not a surfer.
Yo Robo, back in the 70's (and beyond),, BB along with Phil Jarrett was Australia's leading surf writer, painted pictures in the minds of surfers in the days before the internet, there when pro surfing began, traveled and surfed and documented all the greats. More cred in his little finger than you will have in your lifetime. You can debate him but you should be careful calling out his credibility as a surfer.

BB ≡ Captain Goodvibes?

?. https://www.facebook.com/The-Official-Captain-Goodvibes-253300914720245/

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:09pm
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

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monkeyboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:12pm
zenagain wrote:

See this is where I kinda get confused. The Nature article above posted by BB raises more questions to me than it answers. For example (and I'm paraphrasing here) it mentions the disparity between vaccination rates of wealthy countries and poor countries. I had a look at Tanzania compared to Oz, a population double the size with roughly 2% having received only one dose against 90+% in Oz fully vaxxed.

Tanzania is reporting roughly 400 odd new infections daily for total of around 30k since the beginning of the pandemic and about 800 deaths. Compare this to Australia of over 500k infections and 2.5k deaths.

Of course the reporting between the two countries will be demonstrably different but based on a quick search from what I would consider a pretty trustworthy source, If you take the middle ground when looking at the figures between both countries the difference is stark.

And for the record here in case anyone wants to get all shouty at me- I am double vaxxed, pro-vax and vehemently anti-mandate.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countrie...

I have similar links to the same phenom. It seems that the lower the use of the vaccine (I'm not sure if its any particular one , some or all of them) then the lower the number of cases.

Israel is a classic example where they are trying to boost themselves out of this.

Queensland (I think) is another example - they had close to zero community cases and once the Vaccinated + PCR negative people came in the cases exploded - it smells fishy but not trying to sound conspiratorial.

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:14pm

No names people.

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:14pm
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:20pm
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

I'm not attributing blame anywhere...hospitals reaching capacity, is what it is. I was just asking if you anti vaxx crew have any concerns for the people in other depts or with other issues that are being effected?

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:22pm

Listenign to QLD press conference, they are now requesting if you have mild symptoms to stay at home and not get tested. haha WOW

They have made their bed with putting FEAR into everyone to get the vaccine now they are reaping what they sowed.

People calling 000 with mild symptoms is on THEM & MSM

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:26pm

Comparing Australian data to random other countries makes no sense. The Australian data on hospitalisations and ICU cases, which is easily found demonstrates that the vaccines work.
I have no knowledge of Tanzania and there is very little data available beyond the raw case numbers which tell us very little without testing rates. Why not have trust in the health professionals rather than go digging through data that might be meaningless or confounded by numerous variables which are not explained? The old cliche that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing is confirmed numerous times a day in these forums.

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:24pm
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

I'm not attributing blame anywhere...hospitals reaching capacity, is what it is. I was just asking if you anti vaxx crew have any concerns for the people in other depts or with other issues that are being effected?

No. I blame Government & MSM 100% for the fear they have put into every single person listening, they have people so scared of the cold that they are clogging up testing, Ambulance & emergency with mild symptoms. That's on them

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:31pm
blindboy wrote:

Comparing Australian data to random other countries makes no sense. The Australian data on hospitalisations and ICU cases, which is easily found demonstrates that the vaccines work.
I have no knowledge of Tanzania and there is very little data available beyond the raw case numbers which tell us very little without testing rates. Why not have trust in the health professionals rather than go digging through data that might be meaningless or confounded by numerous variables which are not explained.

Vaccines don't work. We were told they stop transmission and to get it to protect the community. They dont.
You've been sold a lemon, and not one you can make lemonade with.

Imagine buying a car, but only two wheels work. Then defending the car sales person saying it was the best he knew and the car still half works.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:27pm
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

I'm not attributing blame anywhere...hospitals reaching capacity, is what it is. I was just asking if you anti vaxx crew have any concerns for the people in other depts or with other issues that are being effected?

No. I blame Government & MSM 100% for the fear they have put into every single person listening, they have people so scared of the cold that they are clogging up testing, Ambulance & emergency with mild symptoms. That's on them

so zero fucks given? zero concern for our hospital staff. Who would still treat your kids...yet you don't give a fuck about them.

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:30pm
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

I'm not attributing blame anywhere...hospitals reaching capacity, is what it is. I was just asking if you anti vaxx crew have any concerns for the people in other depts or with other issues that are being effected?

No. I blame Government & MSM 100% for the fear they have put into every single person listening, they have people so scared of the cold that they are clogging up testing, Ambulance & emergency with mild symptoms. That's on them

so zero fucks given? zero concern for our hospital staff. Who would still treat your kids...yet you don't give a fuck about them.

Me being vaccinated isnt going to help the problem that MSM & government has caused.
Ive got lots of fucks to give, but i didnt create this issue.

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:34pm

burleigh I am sure you are a fantastic surfer ...... but you are a terrible epidemiologist. Maybe play to your strengths.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:39pm

blindboy said “ Why not have trust in the health professionals “ maybe because their information hasn’t always been reliable ? From don’t wear a mask because you may touch your face too much to wear a mask outdoors on a deserted beach , then there’s this classic ,
“Here in Australia, we do not have that emergency that they have in the U.S.,” said Dr. Paul Kelly, acting chief medical officer. “The other thing that is different here in Australia is we have a very large and deliberately expanded laboratory network using the gold standard of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) testing. We have plenty of capacity there.” they have been consistent in confusing everyone and you say “ why not just trust the health professionals “ ?

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:40pm
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

I'm not attributing blame anywhere...hospitals reaching capacity, is what it is. I was just asking if you anti vaxx crew have any concerns for the people in other depts or with other issues that are being effected?

No. I blame Government & MSM 100% for the fear they have put into every single person listening, they have people so scared of the cold that they are clogging up testing, Ambulance & emergency with mild symptoms. That's on them

so zero fucks given? zero concern for our hospital staff. Who would still treat your kids...yet you don't give a fuck about them.

Me being vaccinated isnt going to help the problem that MSM & government has caused.
Ive got lots of fucks to give, but i didnt create this issue.

No one said you created the issue. The issue is however real, I was just asking if that real issue concerns you.

But...you go off all triggered.

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:46pm
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burleigh I am sure you are a fantastic surfer ...... but you are a terrible epidemiologist. Maybe play to your strengths.

So you're 100% happy with the experts still claiming get vaccinated or boosted to protect the community? Or do you think they should change the narrative?

35K + cases in NSW alone today that have been tested + many more that haven't been bothered to get tested.

17K in Victoria.

Yet the Experts & premiers are still saying get boosted to protect the community. It's not right.

Edit: very average surfer

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:41pm
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Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Robo wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

Hey Anti Vaxxers, Is this fake news? Any cause for concern?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/tsunami-of-covid-australian-doctors-gra...

maybe they shouldn't of mandated the jab and sacked 1000's of nurse/dr's.

But is it cause for concern? Or fake dramatics from some Dr?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-cl...

But it cause for concern? Or no worries it is what it is?

If your asking if the hospitals will be full of obese and the elderly people with other issues sure.

Why are you worried? I would be more worried if I was conned into a vaccine that doesn't even work.

well it effects, new cancer diagnosis, chronic disease management, exploratory surgery for a heap of things, peadeatric care, ED care with accidents the list goes on.
It is not the obese or elderly only that are effected.
I guess you miss the bigger picture.

You’re blaming people that didn’t get the vax for this? Haha
You’re red hot mate. Blame your shit vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, blame the government, blame MsM for putting the fear into everyone listening.

How is my post blaming people that didn’t get the vax?

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monkeyboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:47pm
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Listenign to QLD press conference, they are now requesting if you have mild symptoms to stay at home and not get tested. haha WOW

They have made their bed with putting FEAR into everyone to get the vaccine now they are reaping what they sowed.

People calling 000 with mild symptoms is on THEM & MSM

Better late than never. The public service is not known for its efficiency. That's not a slur on the public service; sometimes its better to wait. Always easier to criticise in hindsight; a big part of me wants to believe our leaders know what they are doing; not for my sake but for the sake of anyone who needs to be told what to do.

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monkeyboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:52pm

This couldnt get more ridiculous could it:

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-outbreak-at-remote-antarctic-s...

ok - I'm outta here, too much vax porn today.

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:53pm

burleigh this is a good summary of current vaccine effectiveness. So yes boosters reduce the risk of infection and also if infection occurs, of serious disease. This information has been widely publicised. What about it causes you concern?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/omicron-chart-prote...

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zenagain Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:54pm

BB, it was hardly random. Your article cited three countries, Afghanistan, Tanzania and PNG in It's comparison to wealthy countries vax rates. I chose to look at Tanzania as it's arguably the most stable of the three.

When looking at it from numbers of deaths that is what made me question the article you provided. I thought the author skipped through that too quickly and was worthy of further exploration because to me, the low number of covid deaths in a virtually unvaxxed population is in stark contrast to a highly vaxxed population such as Australia, the US and the UK.

And as for Japan which thankfully avoids all the hysterical MSM click baiting that I'm reading back home- after a huge surge post olympics (no correlation there ha ha) daily cases have plummeted to be almost insignificant in a nation of 125 million peeps. Yesterday, nationwide I think 400 cases, one death and less than a handful hospitalised classed as severe. Japan vax rate is at about 75% in one of the most densely populated countries on earth. Again, it doesn't compute.

Ps- I enjoyed your writing back in the day.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 12:58pm
zenagain wrote:

BB, it was hardly random. Your article cited three countries, Afghanistan, Tanzania and PNG in It's comparison to wealthy countries vax rates. I chose to look at Tanzania as it's arguably the most stable of the three.

When looking at it from numbers of deaths that is what made me question the article you provided. I thought the author skipped through that too quickly and was worthy of further exploration because to me, the low number of covid deaths in a virtually unvaxxed population is in stark contrast to a highly vaxxed population such as Australia, the US and the UK.

And as for Japan which thankfully avoids all the hysterical MSM click baiting that I'm reading back home- after a huge surge post olympics (no correlation there ha ha) daily cases have plummeted to be almost insignificant in a nation of 125 million peeps. Yesterday, nationwide I think 400 cases, one death and less than a handful hospitalised classed as severe. Japan vax rate is at about 75% in one of the most densely populated countries on earth. Again, it doesn't compute.

Ps- I enjoyed your writing back in the day.

Japan . Hard to fathom why so low.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:18pm
blindboy wrote:

burleigh this is a good summary of current vaccine effectiveness. So yes boosters reduce the risk of infection and also if infection occurs, of serious disease. This information has been widely publicised. What about it causes you concern?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/omicron-chart-prote...

I’m really surprised you put this link up blindboy. these stats are for all vaccines combined. There are other sources saying that after 24 weeks AZ has zero efficacy. Your link would give the elderly a false sense of security. So even if they get a booster of Pfizer that would be 1 dose and by your link 52% efficacy. I have seen other reports say a Pfizer after AZ would give 70% efficacy. Why would you use a all vaccines combined as a guide? And isn’t this a US study ? AZ wasn’t used in the US Edit ok the study was from the UK , still not a very good example .

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aaron61 Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:21pm
blindboy wrote:

burleigh this is a good summary of current vaccine effectiveness. So yes boosters reduce the risk of infection and also if infection occurs, of serious disease. This information has been widely publicised. What about it causes you concern?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/omicron-chart-prote...

This.

"It is not clear how long booster protection will last. The UKHSA previously reported that protection against symptomatic disease dropped after 10 weeks —from 70% to 45% — after a Pfizer booster among those who had already taken two Pfizer doses".

By next Oz winter, the third dose will be as much use as a pregnant pole vaulter.

Israel is going for four.

Is ADE a possibility? A new variant? Another shambolic rollout of another vaccine?

Etc etc.

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:17pm

If you have more detailed sources put them up. I was responding to burleigh's claims and didn't want to confuse him.

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Robo Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:20pm

blindboy has been busted lol

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:31pm
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If you have more detailed sources put them up. I was responding to burleigh's claims and didn't want to confuse him.

Doesn’t stack up against the current numbers though.

And very likely sponsored by some big pharma giant.

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:29pm

zen my understanding is that there are no reliable death stats from Tanzania for all causes let alone specific covid data. And as I asked before, why speculate about these issues and raise doubts when the big picture is crystal clear...vaccines reduce infections and hospitalisations and yes it would be nice if we didn't need boosters but thecrelity is thst we do.
As far as Japan goes I think there is much greater social cohesion there as well as a tradition of mask use leading to greater use of social distancing and other measures, even when not mandated.

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:33pm
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zen my understanding is that there are no reliable death stats from Tanzania for all causes let alone specific covid data. And as I asked before, why speculate about these issues and raise doubts when the big picture is crystal clear...vaccines reduce infections and hospitalisations and yes it would be nice if we didn't need boosters but thecrelity is thst we do.
As far as Japan goes I think there is much greater social cohesion there as well as a tradition of mask use leading to greater use of social distancing and other measures, even when not mandated.

With SO many infections happening. When does natural immunity come into play?

Or that not happening because they can’t make money off that?

Boosters $$$

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blindboy Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:44pm

burleigh in terms of numbers we are pretty much where most epidemiologists predicted once the frequency of omicron breakthrough infections and the way we would open up were known. Governments were told infections would rise sharply after the Xmas New Year period if they opened up before. They made a politically based decision to do so and we will find out over the next couple of weeks what the consequences of that will be. Let's all hope for the best.
Natural.immu ity is not 100% effective against omicron. Probably similar to double vax protection.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/omicron-larg...

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Supafreak Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:33pm

Here ya go blindboy, there’s plenty of different sources and they don’t all necessarily say the same , confusion rules . https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/96412

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Vic Local Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:36pm

Hey anti-vax / covid is a hoax idiots.
35,000 cases in NSW today. That translates to another 350 patients presenting to hospitals, that are already overloaded with covid. Now those 35000 will no doubt take out plenty of nurses and doctors who are close contacts.
How good's letting it rip folks? Especially when Australia is being governed by a monstrously incompetent bunch of dogs who put the interest's of RAT price gougers ahead of public health.

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AndyM Wednesday, 5 Jan 2022 at 1:45pm

"They made a politically based decision to do so and we will find out over the next couple of weeks what the consequences of that will be."

I think that the political fallout will be substantial - amongst the hundreds of people I talk to everyday, Scomo and Perrotet are totally on the nose, held in total contempt.

"Australia is being governed by a monstrously incompetent bunch of dogs who put the interest's of RAT price gougers ahead of public health."

That's about the extent of it, and they've know that this was coming for at least four months.